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Re: Mental Institution in Central Islip #general

Ricki L. Zunk <rickiz@...>
 

Anita Frankel wrote:

Hi all:
On Aug 23 Ricki Zunk sought info. about a "mental institution in Central
Islip, NY, within the time frame 1920-1938. He asked for a private response
but I think that other members of the group might benefit >from such
information. I too am interested in the "Central Islip Psychiatric Center".
Does anyone know if 60 to 70 year old records might be available for
genealogical purposes?

TIA
Anita Frankel
Dear Anita, and All Interested JGers:

#1 - Ricki is a "she" not a "he."

#2 - IF and WHEN I received a response >from Central Islip Psych. Center, I
shall most certainly post a reply to the entire group. I have received more
than 50 posts >from people interested in learning more about the records of this
facility. Apparently, they cared for people with all sorts of problems (both
physical and mental).

#3 - Thank you to everyone who was kind enough to share what they know with
me. In this particular instance, I believe that we will all need to depend on
one another in order to get the most information >from this resource as possible.

#4 - I always share.

(Mrs.) Ricki Lynn Randall Zunk
Kendall (just south of Coral Gables), FL
<rickiz@mindspring.com>


Central Islip #general

RMiller871@...
 

Since thee were so many replies to the request for information on Central
Islip State Hospital on Long Island, I thought this would be of general
interest even though I have already responded privately.

from Ricki:
Boy, did I ever open a flood gate when I asked about this place. I've
received
over 50 posts >from people who also are interested in what kind of information
I
can get >from CI. It must have been a repository for all sorts of "problem


Your tale is a rather common one. My ggm was there for 25 years and died
there in 1946. I live locally so I'm very aware of what the hospital was all
about. It no longer exists today as a separate entity.

There were 3 extremely large psychiatric hospitals on Long Island: Kings Park
State, Pilgrim State and Central Islip State. CI was the oldest and largest.
They have been greatly downsized and today exist as one. There is a medical
records building that houses the records of all the patients. It is likely
the person you are seeking has microfilmed records. If he died there, they
should be able to provide a copy of his death cert. If you run into a problem
with that, let me know and I can give you further leads.

If you write or call the information below, they should be able to locate the
records and tell you what they have. They can be quite cooperative or quite
evasive. Ask for a photocopy of his admission card and any genealogical
information found in the record. However, if you have specific information
you want, such as descendents, be specific in your letter. They will probably
ask for proof of relationship as they are extremely concerned about the
legality of the privacy issue. There is extreme sensitivity on their part.
The charge was (is?) $ 10 for a copy of the death cert.

Write to:
Milo Maldonado, RN
Chairperson, Medical Records Access Review Committee
Kings Park Psychiatric Center
998 Crooked Hill Road
West Brentwood, NY 11717-1087
(516) 434 5046 FAX (516) 434-5107

If you learn that he was there in 1915 or 1925, there is a NYS census that
would have him listed. Often, in the 1925 census there is an address given
prior to admission. Central Islip State Hospital can also be found in the
federal census for 1900, 1910 and 1920. It is located in Suffolk County, NY.

I plan on building a database of all Jewish people who were in CI for all the
census years. This is a very large project and I haven't really started the
entering in my database. Hopefully, I will have a good chunk of it ready for
the Summer Seminar in NY. PLEASE do not ask me to do a look up as at this
point I would have to do the same search as you. As my database builds, I
will post a notice on JewishGen and do look ups at that point. The interest
in this posting is encouraging to get me moving on it!

Rhoda Miller
Long Island, NY


MODERATOR'S NOTE: This seems like an appropriate time to end the thread
on psychiatric hospitals on Long Island.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Mental Institution in Central Islip #general

Ricki L. Zunk <rickiz@...>
 

Anita Frankel wrote:

Hi all:
On Aug 23 Ricki Zunk sought info. about a "mental institution in Central
Islip, NY, within the time frame 1920-1938. He asked for a private response
but I think that other members of the group might benefit >from such
information. I too am interested in the "Central Islip Psychiatric Center".
Does anyone know if 60 to 70 year old records might be available for
genealogical purposes?

TIA
Anita Frankel
Dear Anita, and All Interested JGers:

#1 - Ricki is a "she" not a "he."

#2 - IF and WHEN I received a response >from Central Islip Psych. Center, I
shall most certainly post a reply to the entire group. I have received more
than 50 posts >from people interested in learning more about the records of this
facility. Apparently, they cared for people with all sorts of problems (both
physical and mental).

#3 - Thank you to everyone who was kind enough to share what they know with
me. In this particular instance, I believe that we will all need to depend on
one another in order to get the most information >from this resource as possible.

#4 - I always share.

(Mrs.) Ricki Lynn Randall Zunk
Kendall (just south of Coral Gables), FL
<rickiz@mindspring.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Central Islip #general

RMiller871@...
 

Since thee were so many replies to the request for information on Central
Islip State Hospital on Long Island, I thought this would be of general
interest even though I have already responded privately.

from Ricki:
Boy, did I ever open a flood gate when I asked about this place. I've
received
over 50 posts >from people who also are interested in what kind of information
I
can get >from CI. It must have been a repository for all sorts of "problem


Your tale is a rather common one. My ggm was there for 25 years and died
there in 1946. I live locally so I'm very aware of what the hospital was all
about. It no longer exists today as a separate entity.

There were 3 extremely large psychiatric hospitals on Long Island: Kings Park
State, Pilgrim State and Central Islip State. CI was the oldest and largest.
They have been greatly downsized and today exist as one. There is a medical
records building that houses the records of all the patients. It is likely
the person you are seeking has microfilmed records. If he died there, they
should be able to provide a copy of his death cert. If you run into a problem
with that, let me know and I can give you further leads.

If you write or call the information below, they should be able to locate the
records and tell you what they have. They can be quite cooperative or quite
evasive. Ask for a photocopy of his admission card and any genealogical
information found in the record. However, if you have specific information
you want, such as descendents, be specific in your letter. They will probably
ask for proof of relationship as they are extremely concerned about the
legality of the privacy issue. There is extreme sensitivity on their part.
The charge was (is?) $ 10 for a copy of the death cert.

Write to:
Milo Maldonado, RN
Chairperson, Medical Records Access Review Committee
Kings Park Psychiatric Center
998 Crooked Hill Road
West Brentwood, NY 11717-1087
(516) 434 5046 FAX (516) 434-5107

If you learn that he was there in 1915 or 1925, there is a NYS census that
would have him listed. Often, in the 1925 census there is an address given
prior to admission. Central Islip State Hospital can also be found in the
federal census for 1900, 1910 and 1920. It is located in Suffolk County, NY.

I plan on building a database of all Jewish people who were in CI for all the
census years. This is a very large project and I haven't really started the
entering in my database. Hopefully, I will have a good chunk of it ready for
the Summer Seminar in NY. PLEASE do not ask me to do a look up as at this
point I would have to do the same search as you. As my database builds, I
will post a notice on JewishGen and do look ups at that point. The interest
in this posting is encouraging to get me moving on it!

Rhoda Miller
Long Island, NY


MODERATOR'S NOTE: This seems like an appropriate time to end the thread
on psychiatric hospitals on Long Island.


Boston Jewish Advocate Obituary Index Update #general

DAVID ROSEN <72426.1553@...>
 

I am pleased to announce the second update to the Boston Jewish
Advocate Obituary Index. Thanks to help >from Sandy Kronik of the Jewish
Genealogical Society of Greater Boston the index now covers the period
from January 1941 through August 1998 and indexes over 17,500 obits.

This data base can be searched at :

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/advocate.htm

Thanks also to Michael Tobias for posting the update.




David Rosen
Boston
72426.1553@compuserve.com


Searching: SCHLANGER/KAMPF/MILBAUER #general

E Elsar <eelsar@...>
 

Does any one have any information regarding these Surnames
SCHLANGER - >from Mielec or Madjan in Poland (Pre World War I)
Also same general area the names KAMPF and MILBAUER

Mordechai Schlanger


Searching: Reb CHAITOWITZ, Reb FRIEDMAN, Reb RABINOWITZ #general

james gross <larklane@...>
 

Hello,
I am researching CHAITOWITZ and am enclosing some info.

Sandy Bursten (sandybee@earthlink.net) writes:
My husband's great grandfather, known as Morris GOLDBERG,
changed the name >from HAITOVITCH
Best as I can figure, they were >from the Kovno area. Morris
married Dora RABINOWITZ, and they had 5 sons.
Dora and the sons went to London in the late 1800s. As for the
sons, Lazarus went to Canada and later to Milwaukee; Louis went
to Milwaukee; Barnet and Solly stayed in London; and David
emigrated to Australia. Lazarus was my husband's grandfather.
My relative, Mirium (FRIEDMAN) married Rabbi Yaacov CHAITOWITZ. Mirium
was the daughter of Reb Hersh FRIEDMAN & Eigeleh (RABINOWITZ). Eigeleh
was >from Paswol Lithuania. Her father was reb Bezalel RABINOWITZ and her
mother was Gittel, a relation of the late chief rabbi of Palestine,
Reb Abraham Isaac Hacohen KOOK.

Abraham S Goldberg (100274.3335@compuserve.com) writes:
Aside >from a general interest in Rabbi A I KOOK, who was a very
interesting person, I have two specific personal interests. First,
he was Rabbi of a London community Secondly, I have an
incidental interest in Rabbi Mordechai Gimpel YAFFE who was a
nephew of Rabbi KOOK. One of YAFFE's daughters (Ruchama)
was married to a Yosef GOLDBERG and I have been trying
for years to track them down!
shared by:
James H. Gross
Cherry Hill, N.J.
e-mail: larklane@juno.com
Gross-Steinberg Family Tree
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6721/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Boston Jewish Advocate Obituary Index Update #general

DAVID ROSEN <72426.1553@...>
 

I am pleased to announce the second update to the Boston Jewish
Advocate Obituary Index. Thanks to help >from Sandy Kronik of the Jewish
Genealogical Society of Greater Boston the index now covers the period
from January 1941 through August 1998 and indexes over 17,500 obits.

This data base can be searched at :

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/advocate.htm

Thanks also to Michael Tobias for posting the update.




David Rosen
Boston
72426.1553@compuserve.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: SCHLANGER/KAMPF/MILBAUER #general

E Elsar <eelsar@...>
 

Does any one have any information regarding these Surnames
SCHLANGER - >from Mielec or Madjan in Poland (Pre World War I)
Also same general area the names KAMPF and MILBAUER

Mordechai Schlanger


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Reb CHAITOWITZ, Reb FRIEDMAN, Reb RABINOWITZ #general

james gross <larklane@...>
 

Hello,
I am researching CHAITOWITZ and am enclosing some info.

Sandy Bursten (sandybee@earthlink.net) writes:
My husband's great grandfather, known as Morris GOLDBERG,
changed the name >from HAITOVITCH
Best as I can figure, they were >from the Kovno area. Morris
married Dora RABINOWITZ, and they had 5 sons.
Dora and the sons went to London in the late 1800s. As for the
sons, Lazarus went to Canada and later to Milwaukee; Louis went
to Milwaukee; Barnet and Solly stayed in London; and David
emigrated to Australia. Lazarus was my husband's grandfather.
My relative, Mirium (FRIEDMAN) married Rabbi Yaacov CHAITOWITZ. Mirium
was the daughter of Reb Hersh FRIEDMAN & Eigeleh (RABINOWITZ). Eigeleh
was >from Paswol Lithuania. Her father was reb Bezalel RABINOWITZ and her
mother was Gittel, a relation of the late chief rabbi of Palestine,
Reb Abraham Isaac Hacohen KOOK.

Abraham S Goldberg (100274.3335@compuserve.com) writes:
Aside >from a general interest in Rabbi A I KOOK, who was a very
interesting person, I have two specific personal interests. First,
he was Rabbi of a London community Secondly, I have an
incidental interest in Rabbi Mordechai Gimpel YAFFE who was a
nephew of Rabbi KOOK. One of YAFFE's daughters (Ruchama)
was married to a Yosef GOLDBERG and I have been trying
for years to track them down!
shared by:
James H. Gross
Cherry Hill, N.J.
e-mail: larklane@juno.com
Gross-Steinberg Family Tree
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6721/


Lipto registers and Mormon records #hungary

Henry Wellisch <Henry_Wellisch@...>
 

Regarding Jewish BMD registrations in Hungary, I tend to agree with
Maureen and Gyury that Jews in small localities without a Jewish community
organization registered BMDs with the closest organized Jewish community.
Indeed, I think Jews in Hungary during the 19th century were organized
this way.
I think that Linda’s assertion that there may be entries in the Christian
records may be correct for Poland, but I have not heard of such cases in
Hungary.
In my own family my grandfather Simon Deutsch was born in Lebeny St.
Miklos in 1855. Apparently there was no Jewish community there, so his
birth was entered in the newly established register of the nearby Jewish
community of Moson. For the first few years this register was kept by the
local Catholic priest.
Similarly my mother Jolan Deutsch was born in 1892 in Neusiedel am See (
Nezsider) now in the Burgenland, Austria, but formerly in Hungary. Her
birth was registered in Kittsee-Gattendorf ( Kopczeny-Gata).
Incidentally, according to my mother, her father gave her the name
Josephine and she was known under this name all her life. However the
registrar in Kopzceny entered her name on her birth certificate and
register as Jolan and this was only discovered years later. My mother
claimed that this occured because of the Hungarian Nationalistic
tendencies of the registrar.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Lipto registers and Mormon records #hungary

Henry Wellisch <Henry_Wellisch@...>
 

Regarding Jewish BMD registrations in Hungary, I tend to agree with
Maureen and Gyury that Jews in small localities without a Jewish community
organization registered BMDs with the closest organized Jewish community.
Indeed, I think Jews in Hungary during the 19th century were organized
this way.
I think that Linda’s assertion that there may be entries in the Christian
records may be correct for Poland, but I have not heard of such cases in
Hungary.
In my own family my grandfather Simon Deutsch was born in Lebeny St.
Miklos in 1855. Apparently there was no Jewish community there, so his
birth was entered in the newly established register of the nearby Jewish
community of Moson. For the first few years this register was kept by the
local Catholic priest.
Similarly my mother Jolan Deutsch was born in 1892 in Neusiedel am See (
Nezsider) now in the Burgenland, Austria, but formerly in Hungary. Her
birth was registered in Kittsee-Gattendorf ( Kopczeny-Gata).
Incidentally, according to my mother, her father gave her the name
Josephine and she was known under this name all her life. However the
registrar in Kopzceny entered her name on her birth certificate and
register as Jolan and this was only discovered years later. My mother
claimed that this occured because of the Hungarian Nationalistic
tendencies of the registrar.


Old German Script and FALK, LOEWY, PLAUT, WOLF #general

MBernet@...
 

I have just received >from a professional German archivist, a manual on reading
the old script. (He tells me, incidentally, that Hitler banned this script in
the early 1940's because some fool had told him it was based on Hebrew
script!) I haven't been able to open it yet. When I do, I might be able to
make it available to others, unless it is copyrighted.

In a message dated 98-08-25 23:59:58 EDT, you write:

<< Searching: ANDERSON, DANNENBERG, DEUTSCH, FALK, FISCHER, HAUK,
HIMMELREICH, KLINE, LOEWY, PLAUT, ROSENBLATT, SCHAAN, SCHWABACHER and WOLF
plus anyone else >>

OK: the name LOEWY (for Levi) runs in my ancestral family in the 17th and
18th century, mostly in the village of Frensdorf but also in nearby Bamberg,
and its other surrounding villages.

Walter FALK of Nurnberg b. 1929, son of a dentist, was my closest friend in
school. Now lives in a Chicago suburb.

PLAUT was a kosher restaurateur whose premises adjoined our home on
Zufuhrstrasse 8, Nurnberg. My pgm Rosa lived with us at that address; She
was the daughter of Aron WOLF and Babette GOLDSCHMIDT of Frankfurt. Rosa
BERNET had a sister Clothilde who lived next door above the restaurant; she
was married to a Hugo GAERTNER (tailor). She moved to Antwerp ca 1937.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFWER: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

List edited by the moderator.


Searching: KRAVITZ from Janova #general

Sandy Levin <Sandy.Levin@...>
 

My great grandfather, Victor (Avigdor) KRAVITZ was born in Janova in
roughly 1865. He died in Chicago in January, 1951. His parents were
Isiah and Leah Cyril KRAVITZ. He had a brother, who took the last name
Garber when they moved to the USA, as his brother was a tanner.
Victor KRAVITZ married Loni SCHNEIDER and moved to the nearby town of
Droghichin, where they had Bessie, Sarah, Joe (Friedel), Meyer, and
Jerry. All eventually settled in Chicago.

Wondering if anyone out there knows of any other brothers or sisters of
Victor KRAVITZ and what became of them. I am also trying to track down
Leah CYRIL's maiden name. It may link me to a very large family tree of
EISENSTEINs.

Sandy Levin
Searching:

KRAVITZ >from Janova/Droghichin
RICHIE/YZVERRICHEN >from Shklov
BEDNO/BEDNOVITCH >from Zambrov
YELLIN >from Wysockie Mazovetz


Re: How to find US Military Records #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

This book is a highly recommended resource for finding US military
records.
--
Bernard I. Kouchel
<koosh@att.net>

-------------
U.S. Military Records : A Guide to Federal and State
Sources, Colonial America to the Present
by James C. Neagles
Hardcover (March 1998)
Ancestry, Incorporated;
ISBN: 0916489558
------------

Jeanne Gold wrote:

I am at a point where I wanted to find the military records of 3
individuals in my family. Having already experienced the frustration > in trying to locate my step-father's ...


Searching: GORDON and DUA #general

Dr. Stephen Z. Schneider <sschneid@...>
 

I am searching for parts of my family:

GORDON - Chicago area

DUA - Israel, Philadelphia

If you have any information about either of these family groups, please
contact me. Thank you.

Stephen Schneider
<sschneid@sricboces.org>
<thebear412@aol.com>


Re: Ethics in Genealogy #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

In reply to Steve Kitnick
Several years ago Rabbi Malcolm Stern wrote an item "Ten Commandments
For Genealogists" (not sure of exact title). Perhaps someone will post
them here.

--
Bernard I. Kouchel
<koosh@att.net>

Kitnick1@aol.com wrote:

I'll be leading a discussion on Ethics in Genealogy
at our December JGS meeting. I'm interested in receiving
your story(ies)...


Richmond Hill HS #general

ESES@...
 

I am looking for Eileen E. KERBEL and Sue ENGELMAN both graduated Richmond
Hill HS in 1954/1956.
I do not know their married names and would like to find them.
Please contact me on ESES@AOL.COM
thanks
Errol Schneegurt


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Old German Script and FALK, LOEWY, PLAUT, WOLF #general

MBernet@...
 

I have just received >from a professional German archivist, a manual on reading
the old script. (He tells me, incidentally, that Hitler banned this script in
the early 1940's because some fool had told him it was based on Hebrew
script!) I haven't been able to open it yet. When I do, I might be able to
make it available to others, unless it is copyrighted.

In a message dated 98-08-25 23:59:58 EDT, you write:

<< Searching: ANDERSON, DANNENBERG, DEUTSCH, FALK, FISCHER, HAUK,
HIMMELREICH, KLINE, LOEWY, PLAUT, ROSENBLATT, SCHAAN, SCHWABACHER and WOLF
plus anyone else >>

OK: the name LOEWY (for Levi) runs in my ancestral family in the 17th and
18th century, mostly in the village of Frensdorf but also in nearby Bamberg,
and its other surrounding villages.

Walter FALK of Nurnberg b. 1929, son of a dentist, was my closest friend in
school. Now lives in a Chicago suburb.

PLAUT was a kosher restaurateur whose premises adjoined our home on
Zufuhrstrasse 8, Nurnberg. My pgm Rosa lived with us at that address; She
was the daughter of Aron WOLF and Babette GOLDSCHMIDT of Frankfurt. Rosa
BERNET had a sister Clothilde who lived next door above the restaurant; she
was married to a Hugo GAERTNER (tailor). She moved to Antwerp ca 1937.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFWER: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

List edited by the moderator.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: KRAVITZ from Janova #general

Sandy Levin <Sandy.Levin@...>
 

My great grandfather, Victor (Avigdor) KRAVITZ was born in Janova in
roughly 1865. He died in Chicago in January, 1951. His parents were
Isiah and Leah Cyril KRAVITZ. He had a brother, who took the last name
Garber when they moved to the USA, as his brother was a tanner.
Victor KRAVITZ married Loni SCHNEIDER and moved to the nearby town of
Droghichin, where they had Bessie, Sarah, Joe (Friedel), Meyer, and
Jerry. All eventually settled in Chicago.

Wondering if anyone out there knows of any other brothers or sisters of
Victor KRAVITZ and what became of them. I am also trying to track down
Leah CYRIL's maiden name. It may link me to a very large family tree of
EISENSTEINs.

Sandy Levin
Searching:

KRAVITZ >from Janova/Droghichin
RICHIE/YZVERRICHEN >from Shklov
BEDNO/BEDNOVITCH >from Zambrov
YELLIN >from Wysockie Mazovetz