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Searching: KIRSCH; GRAUER #general

Julianne and Thomas Lockwood <juto@...>
 

I am searching for the children or grandchildren of BENJAMIN KIRSCH who
lived on Sutter Avenue in Brooklyn, N. Y. at the turn of the century. He was married to ESTHER. Their children were Pauline, Julius, Abraham,
Joseph, sidney, Gerold, Nettie and Leonard. If any of these names
should be familiar to anyone out there, I would appreciate the
information.

I am also searching for the children or grandchildren of MORITZ, HENRY,
or LOUIS GRAUER. They came to New York in the 1880s and settled in
Brooklyn, New York as well.

Any information that could be of help in locating any of these people
would be of great assistance to me.


Julie Lockwood


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: KIRSCH; GRAUER #general

Julianne and Thomas Lockwood <juto@...>
 

I am searching for the children or grandchildren of BENJAMIN KIRSCH who
lived on Sutter Avenue in Brooklyn, N. Y. at the turn of the century. He was married to ESTHER. Their children were Pauline, Julius, Abraham,
Joseph, sidney, Gerold, Nettie and Leonard. If any of these names
should be familiar to anyone out there, I would appreciate the
information.

I am also searching for the children or grandchildren of MORITZ, HENRY,
or LOUIS GRAUER. They came to New York in the 1880s and settled in
Brooklyn, New York as well.

Any information that could be of help in locating any of these people
would be of great assistance to me.


Julie Lockwood


Trip reports, anyone! (& interchangeable names) #hungary

Mehadrin@...
 

I can hardly believe that people are returning >from voyages of discovery in
Hungary at this time of year, and are not bombarding H-sig with exciting
reports of great finds! Please deluge us with notes about cemetery
inscriptions, local archives unfilmed through Mormons, local knowledgeable
experts, and all the usual things one can only find on the spot.
*********************************
Lajos/Ludwig/Louis/Lewis is one name in various translations. In the Austro-
Hungarian empire, before 1860-something Hungarian names were routinely written
in their German form at the discretion of the person keeping the register.
This did not mean that the person was called Ludwig, just written down as
Ludwig, although called Lajos. (At a much earlier time we find the use of
Latin forms of names, although these were never used in common speech.) Such
is the nature of the multi-lingual empire. After that time there was legal
approval for the use of Hungarian names in official records, but older usage
still prevailed sometimes. We often see people recorded by Hungarian version
at birth, German version at marriage and Hebrew-Yiddish name at death and
vice-versa. One should really not make an issue out of this at all.
***************************
Incidentally I had another example recently of two people asking for
information >from the archives in Bratislava about common ancestors, and
getting different items of information.
And for those of us who are part-(Ost-)Galitzianer, like myself you can
receive different answers >from the archives in Cracow and Warsaw about the
availability of pre-WW1 registers for communities now in Ukraine but
originally part of Austrian Galicia. One person will be told we have that
town, the next person will be told we don;t have it. Personal visitors have
had considerable success with a display of greenbacks (US$$$)
*************************************
Best wishes,
Rabbi Avrohom Marmorstein
mehadrin@aol.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Trip reports, anyone! (& interchangeable names) #hungary

Mehadrin@...
 

I can hardly believe that people are returning >from voyages of discovery in
Hungary at this time of year, and are not bombarding H-sig with exciting
reports of great finds! Please deluge us with notes about cemetery
inscriptions, local archives unfilmed through Mormons, local knowledgeable
experts, and all the usual things one can only find on the spot.
*********************************
Lajos/Ludwig/Louis/Lewis is one name in various translations. In the Austro-
Hungarian empire, before 1860-something Hungarian names were routinely written
in their German form at the discretion of the person keeping the register.
This did not mean that the person was called Ludwig, just written down as
Ludwig, although called Lajos. (At a much earlier time we find the use of
Latin forms of names, although these were never used in common speech.) Such
is the nature of the multi-lingual empire. After that time there was legal
approval for the use of Hungarian names in official records, but older usage
still prevailed sometimes. We often see people recorded by Hungarian version
at birth, German version at marriage and Hebrew-Yiddish name at death and
vice-versa. One should really not make an issue out of this at all.
***************************
Incidentally I had another example recently of two people asking for
information >from the archives in Bratislava about common ancestors, and
getting different items of information.
And for those of us who are part-(Ost-)Galitzianer, like myself you can
receive different answers >from the archives in Cracow and Warsaw about the
availability of pre-WW1 registers for communities now in Ukraine but
originally part of Austrian Galicia. One person will be told we have that
town, the next person will be told we don;t have it. Personal visitors have
had considerable success with a display of greenbacks (US$$$)
*************************************
Best wishes,
Rabbi Avrohom Marmorstein
mehadrin@aol.com


Grebow and Tarnobrzeg #general

Ronisl@...
 

Since Tarnobrzeg is only 8.1 miles west of Grebow in Galicia, I would also be
interested in finding out about that book : MEMORIES OF MY SHTETL: DHZIKEV/
TARNOBZHEG. Thanks.
Roni Seibel Liebowitz
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Grebow and Tarnobrzeg #general

Ronisl@...
 

Since Tarnobrzeg is only 8.1 miles west of Grebow in Galicia, I would also be
interested in finding out about that book : MEMORIES OF MY SHTETL: DHZIKEV/
TARNOBZHEG. Thanks.
Roni Seibel Liebowitz
New York


Searching: FLAUM and WIENER #general

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Jewishgenners,

Does anyone out there know the history of the FLAUM family that came to the
U.S. >from Russia (?) via Liverpool, England? Here is the sketchy information
I have so far:

The family legend is that the original name was WEINER and was changed to
FLAUM in Russia or England. Mr. FLAUM, who was my husband's great or great-
great grandfather, was apparently quite a ladies' man and had numerous wives
(~ five, I assume, consecutively) and children. He or his descendents came to
the U.S. at some point.

One of Mr. FLAUM'S descendents was Barney FLAUM, of New York who owned a
construction business in Pennsylvania and later was in the grocery business in
Miami, Florida. Barney had red hair and was a hemophiliac. He married Hilda
COHEN and had two sons, Morton and Harold, both deceased. There are many
FLAUMs in the U.S. and some in Canada, England and South Africa and I'd like
to know how they are all related. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Shirley Flaum
Houston, Texas
Seflaum@aol.com

searching WEINER, FLAUM, COHEN, HOROVITZ, GOLDBERG, ROTBEIN, ROTBAJN,
LIPNICKA, ZAK, RUBINSTEIN, MILNER, BURSTEIN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: FLAUM and WIENER #general

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Jewishgenners,

Does anyone out there know the history of the FLAUM family that came to the
U.S. >from Russia (?) via Liverpool, England? Here is the sketchy information
I have so far:

The family legend is that the original name was WEINER and was changed to
FLAUM in Russia or England. Mr. FLAUM, who was my husband's great or great-
great grandfather, was apparently quite a ladies' man and had numerous wives
(~ five, I assume, consecutively) and children. He or his descendents came to
the U.S. at some point.

One of Mr. FLAUM'S descendents was Barney FLAUM, of New York who owned a
construction business in Pennsylvania and later was in the grocery business in
Miami, Florida. Barney had red hair and was a hemophiliac. He married Hilda
COHEN and had two sons, Morton and Harold, both deceased. There are many
FLAUMs in the U.S. and some in Canada, England and South Africa and I'd like
to know how they are all related. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Shirley Flaum
Houston, Texas
Seflaum@aol.com

searching WEINER, FLAUM, COHEN, HOROVITZ, GOLDBERG, ROTBEIN, ROTBAJN,
LIPNICKA, ZAK, RUBINSTEIN, MILNER, BURSTEIN


My WEISZ/WEISS family tree, posting #5 #hungary

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

This is a continuation of my postings of 6,7,27July, 3,17 Aug

C. Jen=F6 FEHER b 1891 Sarkad, d 1972 Paris
+ Margit WEISZ b 1899 Ermihalyfalva, d 1996 Paris

1. Agnes FEHER. b Salonta
+ Marc Bruma, b Bucharest, d.Paris

a) Jean BRUMA, b Paris
b) Paul BRUMA, b Paris
+ Christine MEMET, b. Paros

1) Gabriel BRUMA, b Paris
2) Laure BRUMA, b Paris

2. Ladislau FEHER, b Salonta
+ Rose

D. Sandor WEISZ, b ? Sarkad, d. USA ?

E. Regina WEISZ,b ?, d 1944
+ Simon SALAMON

1. Ica SALAMON, b ?, d 1944
2. Jancsi SALAMON, b ?, d Jerusalim
+ Klari ?
=09
a) Gabi SALAMON, b Jerusalim ?
=09
3. Irenke SALAMON, b? Salonta, d 1944
4. Manci SALAMON, b ? Salonta, d 1944

F. Samuel WEISZ ?

G. Juliska WEISZ, b ? Salonta, d ? Salonta
+ ? PALLER

1. Imre PALLER, b? Salonta, d ? Kiriat Shmone
+ Lotti ?
=09
a) Robert PALLER ?

2. Erzsi PALLER, b ? Salonta, d. 1944
+ Naci ROSENBLAU, b? d.1944
=09
a) Imre ROSENBLAU ?
b) Manci ROSENBLAU ?

3. Sandor PALLER ?
4. Lajos PALLER, b ? Salonta, d Kiriat Shmone
+ Gizike, b? d. Kiriat Shmone
=09
a) David PALLER, ?
+ Rachel ?

5. Ilonka PALLER, b ?Salonta, d 1944
6. Laci PALLER, b ? Salonta, d 1944

Is to be continued.

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
susanna.vendel@swipnet.se


Re: Where are Affidavit and Visa Records? #general

MarkGrekin <markgrekin@...>
 

Hello Jean,

I have a death certificate and petition of naturalization of one of my
relatives and would like to find more about him. Where can i find Freedom of
Information form in my city, Los Angeles?
Mark Grekin <markgrekin@aol.com>


Hungary SIG #Hungary My WEISZ/WEISS family tree, posting #5 #hungary

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

This is a continuation of my postings of 6,7,27July, 3,17 Aug

C. Jen=F6 FEHER b 1891 Sarkad, d 1972 Paris
+ Margit WEISZ b 1899 Ermihalyfalva, d 1996 Paris

1. Agnes FEHER. b Salonta
+ Marc Bruma, b Bucharest, d.Paris

a) Jean BRUMA, b Paris
b) Paul BRUMA, b Paris
+ Christine MEMET, b. Paros

1) Gabriel BRUMA, b Paris
2) Laure BRUMA, b Paris

2. Ladislau FEHER, b Salonta
+ Rose

D. Sandor WEISZ, b ? Sarkad, d. USA ?

E. Regina WEISZ,b ?, d 1944
+ Simon SALAMON

1. Ica SALAMON, b ?, d 1944
2. Jancsi SALAMON, b ?, d Jerusalim
+ Klari ?
=09
a) Gabi SALAMON, b Jerusalim ?
=09
3. Irenke SALAMON, b? Salonta, d 1944
4. Manci SALAMON, b ? Salonta, d 1944

F. Samuel WEISZ ?

G. Juliska WEISZ, b ? Salonta, d ? Salonta
+ ? PALLER

1. Imre PALLER, b? Salonta, d ? Kiriat Shmone
+ Lotti ?
=09
a) Robert PALLER ?

2. Erzsi PALLER, b ? Salonta, d. 1944
+ Naci ROSENBLAU, b? d.1944
=09
a) Imre ROSENBLAU ?
b) Manci ROSENBLAU ?

3. Sandor PALLER ?
4. Lajos PALLER, b ? Salonta, d Kiriat Shmone
+ Gizike, b? d. Kiriat Shmone
=09
a) David PALLER, ?
+ Rachel ?

5. Ilonka PALLER, b ?Salonta, d 1944
6. Laci PALLER, b ? Salonta, d 1944

Is to be continued.

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
susanna.vendel@swipnet.se


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Where are Affidavit and Visa Records? #general

MarkGrekin <markgrekin@...>
 

Hello Jean,

I have a death certificate and petition of naturalization of one of my
relatives and would like to find more about him. Where can i find Freedom of
Information form in my city, Los Angeles?
Mark Grekin <markgrekin@aol.com>


Searching: WEISZ family members #general

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

Dear Tavi,

I am posting my answer to the Jewishgen too, in case other researchers are
interested by this information.

I don't have any Marton WEISZ in my family records but the name PORGESZ
appears a 3rd level of relationship. Here is all I know about them:

Cella WEISZ, b ca 1892 in Ermihalyfalva (present Valea lui Mihai), Romania,
d 1944 who was my 1st sousin 2 times removed married Ignac SZEKELLY, b
1885, d 1944. Their daughter was Eva SZEKELLY b. 1922, d 1944. She married
Laci PORGESZ, b 1919, d.1944. They had a daughter Julia PORGESZ, b 1943,
d 1944

I met the name Marton WEISZ several times in different books:

-1. Marton WEISZ who was a baker in Oradea before 1900 who had 6 children.
One of them was Jozsef WEISZ, a very talented violinist, b. 6 March 1899
("Nagyv=E1radi zsidosag t=F6rt=E9nete - by Leitner Zoltan). I have only copies of some pages >from this book. The copy containing info about Jozsef WEISZ is not complete.

- Dr Marton WEISZ , who became on 24 December 1905 the director of the
Jewish hospital in Oradea ("Varadi zsidok" - by T. Mozes)

- Around 1924 it is mentioned a firm "LEDERER and Marton WEISZ Qua=E9" in
the ceramic ware industry ("Varadi zsidok by T. Mozes)

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
susanna.vendel@swipnet.se

----------
Fron: Judy Young and Arthur Drache <jy-abcd@cyberus.ca>
Till: susanna.vendel@swipnet.se
=C4mne: search for Weisz family members
Datum: den 16 augusti 1998 20:44

Dear Susanna,
My name is Tavi Weisz and I am also searching for some details regarind my
ancestors.All I know is that my great-grandfather's name was Marton Weisz
,my great-grandmother's Gizella Weisz (formerly Porgesz)and that one of
their daughters-my grandmother,Anna Weisz was born in Salonta in 1912.
My e-mail address till August 23 rd is : jy-abcd@cyberus.ca or
jyoung@drache.com
After August 23rd my address is : taviweisz@hotmail.com or
murenau@isis.elte.hu .
Hope to hear >from you.
Regards,
Tavi


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: WEISZ family members #general

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

Dear Tavi,

I am posting my answer to the Jewishgen too, in case other researchers are
interested by this information.

I don't have any Marton WEISZ in my family records but the name PORGESZ
appears a 3rd level of relationship. Here is all I know about them:

Cella WEISZ, b ca 1892 in Ermihalyfalva (present Valea lui Mihai), Romania,
d 1944 who was my 1st sousin 2 times removed married Ignac SZEKELLY, b
1885, d 1944. Their daughter was Eva SZEKELLY b. 1922, d 1944. She married
Laci PORGESZ, b 1919, d.1944. They had a daughter Julia PORGESZ, b 1943,
d 1944

I met the name Marton WEISZ several times in different books:

-1. Marton WEISZ who was a baker in Oradea before 1900 who had 6 children.
One of them was Jozsef WEISZ, a very talented violinist, b. 6 March 1899
("Nagyv=E1radi zsidosag t=F6rt=E9nete - by Leitner Zoltan). I have only copies of some pages >from this book. The copy containing info about Jozsef WEISZ is not complete.

- Dr Marton WEISZ , who became on 24 December 1905 the director of the
Jewish hospital in Oradea ("Varadi zsidok" - by T. Mozes)

- Around 1924 it is mentioned a firm "LEDERER and Marton WEISZ Qua=E9" in
the ceramic ware industry ("Varadi zsidok by T. Mozes)

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
susanna.vendel@swipnet.se

----------
Fron: Judy Young and Arthur Drache <jy-abcd@cyberus.ca>
Till: susanna.vendel@swipnet.se
=C4mne: search for Weisz family members
Datum: den 16 augusti 1998 20:44

Dear Susanna,
My name is Tavi Weisz and I am also searching for some details regarind my
ancestors.All I know is that my great-grandfather's name was Marton Weisz
,my great-grandmother's Gizella Weisz (formerly Porgesz)and that one of
their daughters-my grandmother,Anna Weisz was born in Salonta in 1912.
My e-mail address till August 23 rd is : jy-abcd@cyberus.ca or
jyoung@drache.com
After August 23rd my address is : taviweisz@hotmail.com or
murenau@isis.elte.hu .
Hope to hear >from you.
Regards,
Tavi


TRAVELS IN LATVIA &LITHUANIA WITH FEIGMANIS #general

Carol Lieberman <cmenetwork@...>
 

For a number of years I have been searching for the origins of my BERNHARDTS, only knowing a few facts: my grandmother said she came >from Courland (near an island, on an island, near Estonia). That didn't work very well, as Estonia was nowhere near Courland. I engaged a search of the Latvian archives, but found no member of my family. I knew that the Bernhardts originally came >from Germany -- but where? My grandmother said they were related to Sarah Bernhardt -- but how?
My ggf, ( Bernard or Benis or Behr, born in Germany 1854 to Zundel, died
in Chicago, 1901)) had buried two wives in Courland ( #1 possibly Rose or Rosa), (#2, my ggm Ethel) and then emigrated to Chicago. His life was a total mystery as was that of my ggm.

Finally, last fall I engaged Aleksandr Feigmanis to do research for me in
Latvia. He spent several months finding a great number of Bernhardts,
none probably mine, but we developed >from his detailed work a plan to visit certain coastal cities of Courland that historically had Jewish centers of learning, to see what we could find. We did know that ggBernhardt was a rabbi, or someone affiliated with a synagogue as he later was a rabbi in Indiana. We knew that his wife had been a yeshiva teacher, and that her name was something that would translate in English to Ethel.

I purchased a ticket to Riga, planning on spending July 21-26 touring Latvia with Aleksandr and his driver. I made reservations at the Metropole in Riga, choosing it >from a large number of adequate hotels in the area paying about $109 per night. I worried about not being able to understand a word of what I would hear if Aleksandr were not around, but initially I chose to ignore that. He told me that I would be better off without traveler's checks and credit cards (it was true) and to bring new money (that was true also, as the older and more dirty the money, the less the exchange rate). I worried about carrying cash and I worried about what Aleksandr would be like. That turned out to be not a worry -- a pleasure!

Three weeks before my trip I received a present
from a cousin I had just found. He was the ggrandson of Behr Bernhardt as
well, >from the first wife. I received a picture of the first marriage of
ggfBernhardt, and on the back was small Russian writing that indicated the
name of the photographer and a city! A cursory review of the words found
RY for Russia, and before that the Russian words for KOVNO. So -- we were going to Lithuania!!! A Russian in Long Island where I live took the letters of the city name for me and tried to relate them to Lithuanian city names both old and new. I confess that even with the ability to translate, I could not figure out where it was. We finally came up with Gargzdai but this spelling used the old names of the mid-1800s, and that was why it was so difficult to read.
So the trip changed totally! I wrote Aleksandr asking him if he would go to Lithuania with me. When he suggested we take a 9 hour bus trip >from Riga to Klaipeda, because he didn't drive, I knew I would have to take this in hand! I changed hotel reservations to include two nights in Klaipeda and a rental car for three days. I found the only named hotel in my hotel book for Klaipeda that looked like it was something I could deal with,
and that was that! Off to Italy.
MORE --READ PART II TOMORROW!

Carol Lieberman searching BERNHARDT(BENIS, BEHR or BERNARD); YETTA, ITKA OR
ETTA, CHANNAH, JENNY, ROSE. (Konigsberg, Garzdai, Klaipeda, Libau and coastal towns of Latvia)

MISTACHKIN, MISTECHKIN, MESTECHKIN -- KIEV, JURBARKAS, TAURAGE
SHERBACOV -- KIEV, MINSK, JURBARKAS, TAURAGE


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen TRAVELS IN LATVIA &LITHUANIA WITH FEIGMANIS #general

Carol Lieberman <cmenetwork@...>
 

For a number of years I have been searching for the origins of my BERNHARDTS, only knowing a few facts: my grandmother said she came >from Courland (near an island, on an island, near Estonia). That didn't work very well, as Estonia was nowhere near Courland. I engaged a search of the Latvian archives, but found no member of my family. I knew that the Bernhardts originally came >from Germany -- but where? My grandmother said they were related to Sarah Bernhardt -- but how?
My ggf, ( Bernard or Benis or Behr, born in Germany 1854 to Zundel, died
in Chicago, 1901)) had buried two wives in Courland ( #1 possibly Rose or Rosa), (#2, my ggm Ethel) and then emigrated to Chicago. His life was a total mystery as was that of my ggm.

Finally, last fall I engaged Aleksandr Feigmanis to do research for me in
Latvia. He spent several months finding a great number of Bernhardts,
none probably mine, but we developed >from his detailed work a plan to visit certain coastal cities of Courland that historically had Jewish centers of learning, to see what we could find. We did know that ggBernhardt was a rabbi, or someone affiliated with a synagogue as he later was a rabbi in Indiana. We knew that his wife had been a yeshiva teacher, and that her name was something that would translate in English to Ethel.

I purchased a ticket to Riga, planning on spending July 21-26 touring Latvia with Aleksandr and his driver. I made reservations at the Metropole in Riga, choosing it >from a large number of adequate hotels in the area paying about $109 per night. I worried about not being able to understand a word of what I would hear if Aleksandr were not around, but initially I chose to ignore that. He told me that I would be better off without traveler's checks and credit cards (it was true) and to bring new money (that was true also, as the older and more dirty the money, the less the exchange rate). I worried about carrying cash and I worried about what Aleksandr would be like. That turned out to be not a worry -- a pleasure!

Three weeks before my trip I received a present
from a cousin I had just found. He was the ggrandson of Behr Bernhardt as
well, >from the first wife. I received a picture of the first marriage of
ggfBernhardt, and on the back was small Russian writing that indicated the
name of the photographer and a city! A cursory review of the words found
RY for Russia, and before that the Russian words for KOVNO. So -- we were going to Lithuania!!! A Russian in Long Island where I live took the letters of the city name for me and tried to relate them to Lithuanian city names both old and new. I confess that even with the ability to translate, I could not figure out where it was. We finally came up with Gargzdai but this spelling used the old names of the mid-1800s, and that was why it was so difficult to read.
So the trip changed totally! I wrote Aleksandr asking him if he would go to Lithuania with me. When he suggested we take a 9 hour bus trip >from Riga to Klaipeda, because he didn't drive, I knew I would have to take this in hand! I changed hotel reservations to include two nights in Klaipeda and a rental car for three days. I found the only named hotel in my hotel book for Klaipeda that looked like it was something I could deal with,
and that was that! Off to Italy.
MORE --READ PART II TOMORROW!

Carol Lieberman searching BERNHARDT(BENIS, BEHR or BERNARD); YETTA, ITKA OR
ETTA, CHANNAH, JENNY, ROSE. (Konigsberg, Garzdai, Klaipeda, Libau and coastal towns of Latvia)

MISTACHKIN, MISTECHKIN, MESTECHKIN -- KIEV, JURBARKAS, TAURAGE
SHERBACOV -- KIEV, MINSK, JURBARKAS, TAURAGE


Re: Chlavna #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-08-16 23:49:06 EDT, angi@ICON.CO.ZA writes:

<< I have very often found the name
Chlavna, Chlavina and Chlawne listed as a First name. In my own Branch I
have about five CHLAVNA'S and in many other unrelated (so far) LAPIDUS
branches there are also many Chlavna's. >>

Chelbona appears in the Torah; I can't recll where. It is also the name of a
spice used in preparing incense for the Holy Temple (Pitu Hak'toret). Chalban
is a dealer in milk (As Tuviah in Fiddler). Is it possible that the family
was engaged in the milk trade, the Chlavnas were their daughters, wives, or
independent milk dealers? Or the name of a shtetl (check stetlfinder)? Or a
Polish etc. name?


Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

Bernet: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
Königshöfer: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
Altmann: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
Wolf(f): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Chlavna #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-08-16 23:49:06 EDT, angi@ICON.CO.ZA writes:

<< I have very often found the name
Chlavna, Chlavina and Chlawne listed as a First name. In my own Branch I
have about five CHLAVNA'S and in many other unrelated (so far) LAPIDUS
branches there are also many Chlavna's. >>

Chelbona appears in the Torah; I can't recll where. It is also the name of a
spice used in preparing incense for the Holy Temple (Pitu Hak'toret). Chalban
is a dealer in milk (As Tuviah in Fiddler). Is it possible that the family
was engaged in the milk trade, the Chlavnas were their daughters, wives, or
independent milk dealers? Or the name of a shtetl (check stetlfinder)? Or a
Polish etc. name?


Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

Bernet: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
Königshöfer: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
Altmann: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
Wolf(f): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

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Re: Chlavna #general

Judith27
 

Dear All,

ANNE LAPEDUS BREST<angi@icon.co.za> recently asked ( 8/16/98 11:47 PM) :


<< In my researching of LAPIDUS families, I have very often found the name
Chlavna, Chlavina and Chlawne listed as a First name. In my own Branch I
have about five CHLAVNA'S and in many other unrelated (so far) LAPIDUS
branches there are also many Chlavna's. Has anyone ever heard of this
First Name before and if so, can they tell me where it originates from.>>

While I couldn't find a mention of this name, Chlavna, in either the
Gorr or Kolatch books on Jewish names, I did find a reference to it just now in
Beider's *A DICTIONARY OF JEWISH SURNAMES >from THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE*, published
by Avotaynu. It seems that the surname Khlavno comes >from the given name
Khlavno (Khlavne in Yiddish), and that the name comes >from the Czech "main" or
"chief."

Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan <Judith27@aol.com>
Long Beach, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Chlavna #general

Judith27
 

Dear All,

ANNE LAPEDUS BREST<angi@icon.co.za> recently asked ( 8/16/98 11:47 PM) :


<< In my researching of LAPIDUS families, I have very often found the name
Chlavna, Chlavina and Chlawne listed as a First name. In my own Branch I
have about five CHLAVNA'S and in many other unrelated (so far) LAPIDUS
branches there are also many Chlavna's. Has anyone ever heard of this
First Name before and if so, can they tell me where it originates from.>>

While I couldn't find a mention of this name, Chlavna, in either the
Gorr or Kolatch books on Jewish names, I did find a reference to it just now in
Beider's *A DICTIONARY OF JEWISH SURNAMES >from THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE*, published
by Avotaynu. It seems that the surname Khlavno comes >from the given name
Khlavno (Khlavne in Yiddish), and that the name comes >from the Czech "main" or
"chief."

Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan <Judith27@aol.com>
Long Beach, NY