I am aware that there is an 1848 census of Hungary. I am also aware that
there is an 1869 census of Hungary. Does anyone know if there are any other
censi??(censuses) taken between 1869 and World War I. I am most interested
in
Zemplen County. Wayne Roth, Brooklyn, New York >>

I too, would be interested in the above information. Especially Zemplen.
Ley

I am aware that there is an 1848 census of Hungary. I am also aware that
there is an 1869 census of Hungary. Does anyone know if there are any other
censi??(censuses) taken between 1869 and World War I. I am most interested
in
Zemplen County. Wayne Roth, Brooklyn, New York >>

I too, would be interested in the above information. Especially Zemplen.
Ley

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My father was born in Zala County in 1891. I have his birth certificate;
all in Hungarian. His given name was Lajos.
When he moved to Vienna at age 16, he changed his name to Ludwig.
BTW, when he came to the U.S. in 1911, he changed it again, to Louis.
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA
Researching:
ZWIEBACK/Herend, Hung.; Graz, Aus.
POLLAK/KOHN/N.Kanizsa, Hung.; Varazdin, Croa.
MARKBREITER/RISTA/Vienna, Aus.
GOLDSCHMIDT/SCHWARTZ/N.Kanizsa, Hung.

Subject: Ludwig ---> Lajos??
From: "IsraelP" <p2o5rock@netvision.net.il>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:25:02 +0000
X-Message-Number: 9


My ggm had a brother Lajos, whom my father was named for.
LDS shows a birth registry for Ludwig. I don't believe
that Lajos is a nickname, so all I can assume is that he
changed his name, perhaps preferring something Hungarian
to something Germanic. Any thoughts on this phenomenon.
He was born in Kunszentmiklos in the 1870's.

Israel P.
Searching BAUER, STERN, GRUNWALD in Kalocsa & Kunszentmiklos



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My father was born in Zala County in 1891. I have his birth certificate;
all in Hungarian. His given name was Lajos.
When he moved to Vienna at age 16, he changed his name to Ludwig.
BTW, when he came to the U.S. in 1911, he changed it again, to Louis.
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA
Researching:
ZWIEBACK/Herend, Hung.; Graz, Aus.
POLLAK/KOHN/N.Kanizsa, Hung.; Varazdin, Croa.
MARKBREITER/RISTA/Vienna, Aus.
GOLDSCHMIDT/SCHWARTZ/N.Kanizsa, Hung.

Subject: Ludwig ---> Lajos??
From: "IsraelP" <p2o5rock@netvision.net.il>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:25:02 +0000
X-Message-Number: 9


My ggm had a brother Lajos, whom my father was named for.
LDS shows a birth registry for Ludwig. I don't believe
that Lajos is a nickname, so all I can assume is that he
changed his name, perhaps preferring something Hungarian
to something Germanic. Any thoughts on this phenomenon.
He was born in Kunszentmiklos in the 1870's.

Israel P.
Searching BAUER, STERN, GRUNWALD in Kalocsa & Kunszentmiklos



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Dear Bonnie:

Do you know Paul Cheifitz of South Africa? He is a member of the Borisov
SIG. If you would like I can give you his E-mail address.

Logan M. Lockabey
Newsletter, Borisov SIG
loganisjudd@prodigy.net

Bonnie Miller Wrote:

Now that we have everybody in this country. What would be the next step in
trying to make a connection to KOLYSHKI, MOGILEV, or VITEBSK? How do we

start

to get information for Nathan's PARENTS, and so on?

Dear Bonnie:

Do you know Paul Cheifitz of South Africa? He is a member of the Borisov
SIG. If you would like I can give you his E-mail address.

Logan M. Lockabey
Newsletter, Borisov SIG
loganisjudd@prodigy.net

Bonnie Miller Wrote:

Now that we have everybody in this country. What would be the next step in
trying to make a connection to KOLYSHKI, MOGILEV, or VITEBSK? How do we

start

to get information for Nathan's PARENTS, and so on?

My grandmother, Odel, came >from Rogachev, Mogilev and emigrated to Winnipeg
in 1912. Her married name was Chasanova (hence Hasinoff, my family name)
and her maiden name was LITWIN. She was the daughter of Chaim David or
David Chaim (not sure which). She met and married my grandfather, Samuel
and apparently moved to Chichersk where both my father and uncle were born.
My grandfather died in 1912 (of pneumonia). The family was in the fur
business. Other than that we do not have very much information about
her past. What do you know about Rogachev? How large a town was it? What
did people do there?

Dorothy Hasinoff

My grandmother, Odel, came >from Rogachev, Mogilev and emigrated to Winnipeg
in 1912. Her married name was Chasanova (hence Hasinoff, my family name)
and her maiden name was LITWIN. She was the daughter of Chaim David or
David Chaim (not sure which). She met and married my grandfather, Samuel
and apparently moved to Chichersk where both my father and uncle were born.
My grandfather died in 1912 (of pneumonia). The family was in the fur
business. Other than that we do not have very much information about
her past. What do you know about Rogachev? How large a town was it? What
did people do there?

Dorothy Hasinoff

Hello

After having this passenger list for about a week I found that the extra
text written between the lines looked very odd to me and looks like some
naturalization information. At first it looked like some dates associated
with microfilming by the government but not so.

The passenger list comes >from June 24, 1907 and for 3 of the 6 names of my
family I see some writing in a different script handwriting above the line
written in 1907.


Just above the information for my great uncle Abram shows the numbers

2-205012 1/19/32 Recd. 5/14/37

Just above the information for my great aunt Marian shows the numbers

2-336748 5/8/34 Recd. 3/9/39

and just above the information for my grandfather Mendel it shows the number

2-19831


ok the passenger list I got >from a microfilm copy sent to me by a company I
hired to get the passenger list but the number 2-205012 just happens to
coincidently match the number of the certificate of arrival that I got
independently >from NY NARA with the declaration of intent and the petition
for naturalization. the 1/19/32 matches the date on that declaration of
intent! the 5/14/37 misses the actual date stamped on the certificate of
arrival by 4 days. The date stamped does not appear the date of arrival in
the US of June 24, 1907 but the date that the certificate got stamped and
certified by the Dept of Labor but has the date June 24, 1907 certified as
the date of arrival of the SS Livonia. Who wrote these numbers >from the
1930's about my great uncle's naturalization on a passenger list copy from
1907? Who wote the numbers for my great aunt and my grandfather and why did
my grandfather only get what appears the certificate of arrival number but
no dates after that?

Why does my grandfather Mendel have just a number 2-19831 and no dates
associated with it? Also for my grandfather note the 5 digit number after
the 2- whereas the others have 6 digits. Other than the text of these 3 just
above their original record one other unrelated person has this triplet of a
certificate number and 2 dates. no others have these triplets.

Geeeeesh.

Thank you.

Dennis Baer

Hello

After having this passenger list for about a week I found that the extra
text written between the lines looked very odd to me and looks like some
naturalization information. At first it looked like some dates associated
with microfilming by the government but not so.

The passenger list comes >from June 24, 1907 and for 3 of the 6 names of my
family I see some writing in a different script handwriting above the line
written in 1907.


Just above the information for my great uncle Abram shows the numbers

2-205012 1/19/32 Recd. 5/14/37

Just above the information for my great aunt Marian shows the numbers

2-336748 5/8/34 Recd. 3/9/39

and just above the information for my grandfather Mendel it shows the number

2-19831


ok the passenger list I got >from a microfilm copy sent to me by a company I
hired to get the passenger list but the number 2-205012 just happens to
coincidently match the number of the certificate of arrival that I got
independently >from NY NARA with the declaration of intent and the petition
for naturalization. the 1/19/32 matches the date on that declaration of
intent! the 5/14/37 misses the actual date stamped on the certificate of
arrival by 4 days. The date stamped does not appear the date of arrival in
the US of June 24, 1907 but the date that the certificate got stamped and
certified by the Dept of Labor but has the date June 24, 1907 certified as
the date of arrival of the SS Livonia. Who wrote these numbers >from the
1930's about my great uncle's naturalization on a passenger list copy from
1907? Who wote the numbers for my great aunt and my grandfather and why did
my grandfather only get what appears the certificate of arrival number but
no dates after that?

Why does my grandfather Mendel have just a number 2-19831 and no dates
associated with it? Also for my grandfather note the 5 digit number after
the 2- whereas the others have 6 digits. Other than the text of these 3 just
above their original record one other unrelated person has this triplet of a
certificate number and 2 dates. no others have these triplets.

Geeeeesh.

Thank you.

Dennis Baer

Hi-
This is my first message to the Belarus SIG. I am researching family
members that came >from Rechitsa, Uzda and Borisov. I would appreciate any
leads on the following:

from Uzda: HOROWITZ
from Rechitsa: SAKOVSKY (or ZACHEVSKY)
from Borisov: LIEBENSON
from Zhirmuny (Jermouny): PALEY, HOROWITZ

Thanks.
Sara Harris <dharris1@erols.com>

Hi-
This is my first message to the Belarus SIG. I am researching family
members that came >from Rechitsa, Uzda and Borisov. I would appreciate any
leads on the following:

from Uzda: HOROWITZ
from Rechitsa: SAKOVSKY (or ZACHEVSKY)
from Borisov: LIEBENSON
from Zhirmuny (Jermouny): PALEY, HOROWITZ

Thanks.
Sara Harris <dharris1@erols.com>

Ok Friends, my turn.
My Grand Mother was Lessie BOTWINNIK and came >from Minsk to Montreal
sometime between 1903-1908. She had three sisters: Alice, Rivka, Bertha.
The only thing I know for sure is that she graduated Dentistry at he
Imperial University of Carkov (NOT KRACKOW!!!) because I have the
Certificate. According to our family legend her Father was a teacher in
Minsk and they came >from a simple family. Other people tell me that if
she made it to the Imperial University she must have had more than just
a "simple" background. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

Errol Feldman

Ok Friends, my turn.
My Grand Mother was Lessie BOTWINNIK and came >from Minsk to Montreal
sometime between 1903-1908. She had three sisters: Alice, Rivka, Bertha.
The only thing I know for sure is that she graduated Dentistry at he
Imperial University of Carkov (NOT KRACKOW!!!) because I have the
Certificate. According to our family legend her Father was a teacher in
Minsk and they came >from a simple family. Other people tell me that if
she made it to the Imperial University she must have had more than just
a "simple" background. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

Errol Feldman

There are no GELFAND's in my family tree, but there any lots of them
living in Montreal, Canada. Some belong to the Shaare HaShomayim
Synagogue in Westmount (suburb). Used to go to school with Brahm. Lost
touch years ago. Matter of fact there are also some GELFAND Lawyers in
Montreal - get a hold of a "Blue Book" at any BIG Law Office and you'll
probably find them in the listings for Montreal and Toronto.
Good Luck

Errol Feldman

Jeff Malka Wrote:

Anyone out there >from Belarus have members of the GELFAND family in

their family trees?

There are no GELFAND's in my family tree, but there any lots of them
living in Montreal, Canada. Some belong to the Shaare HaShomayim
Synagogue in Westmount (suburb). Used to go to school with Brahm. Lost
touch years ago. Matter of fact there are also some GELFAND Lawyers in
Montreal - get a hold of a "Blue Book" at any BIG Law Office and you'll
probably find them in the listings for Montreal and Toronto.
Good Luck

Errol Feldman

Jeff Malka Wrote:

Anyone out there >from Belarus have members of the GELFAND family in

their family trees?

My ggm had a brother Lajos, whom my father was named for.
LDS shows a birth registry for Ludwig. I don't believe
that Lajos is a nickname, so all I can assume is that he
changed his name, perhaps preferring something Hungarian
to something Germanic. Any thoughts on this phenomenon.
He was born in Kunszentmiklos in the 1870's.

Israel P.
Searching BAUER, STERN, GRUNWALD in Kalocsa & Kunszentmiklos

My ggm had a brother Lajos, whom my father was named for.
LDS shows a birth registry for Ludwig. I don't believe
that Lajos is a nickname, so all I can assume is that he
changed his name, perhaps preferring something Hungarian
to something Germanic. Any thoughts on this phenomenon.
He was born in Kunszentmiklos in the 1870's.

Israel P.
Searching BAUER, STERN, GRUNWALD in Kalocsa & Kunszentmiklos

Suzanne Kaller <sjk@ecentral.com> writes:

My great-uncle was a homesteader in Argentina and settled in >Mosesville
(?). His name was Avram Brenner. He came >from a shtetl >near Odessa
called Dzagifka. I believe he became a cattle rancher.

Does anyone have any information to share?

Suzanne and others:
Moises Ville has been mentioned many times on JewishGen ...when I first
wrote in asking about it, I was greeted with hoots of "You never heard of
Der Yiddishe Gaucho? And no, at that point I never had... but since then
I've learned much about Moises Ville which was a Jewish Agricultural colony
established in Sante Fe Province by Baron Maurice de Hirsch.

Your family name BRENNER is probably well known to the group who are trying
to organize the records >from the synagogue and place them in their own
Museum in Moises Ville. They have been very helpful to me in getting me
information about my SKIDELSKY family who came there in 1894. Since the
Museo operates on a very limited budget, it is appropriate to send them a
small donation to help them out. They accept U.S. dollars and will
probably be delighted with a personal check.

To learn more about this Jewish community in Sante Fe province, Argentina
there are several things you can do...

All linked >from Jewishgen at http://www.jewishgen.org
click on databases and then select Jewishgen Discussion Group archived
messages....search on words like Moises Ville, Sante Fe Argentina
JCA (Jewish Colonization Association)

Also check out the interactive Publications Database to see if anyone has
entered any books about Moises Ville or Argentina

Sorry to take so long in answering your message, but things have been
popping around here with the new server and all of us getting used to using
it.

Good luck with your search...I will be posting information about searching
in Argentina shortly.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA

Suzanne Kaller <sjk@ecentral.com> writes:

My great-uncle was a homesteader in Argentina and settled in >Mosesville
(?). His name was Avram Brenner. He came >from a shtetl >near Odessa
called Dzagifka. I believe he became a cattle rancher.

Does anyone have any information to share?

Suzanne and others:
Moises Ville has been mentioned many times on JewishGen ...when I first
wrote in asking about it, I was greeted with hoots of "You never heard of
Der Yiddishe Gaucho? And no, at that point I never had... but since then
I've learned much about Moises Ville which was a Jewish Agricultural colony
established in Sante Fe Province by Baron Maurice de Hirsch.

Your family name BRENNER is probably well known to the group who are trying
to organize the records >from the synagogue and place them in their own
Museum in Moises Ville. They have been very helpful to me in getting me
information about my SKIDELSKY family who came there in 1894. Since the
Museo operates on a very limited budget, it is appropriate to send them a
small donation to help them out. They accept U.S. dollars and will
probably be delighted with a personal check.

To learn more about this Jewish community in Sante Fe province, Argentina
there are several things you can do...

All linked >from Jewishgen at http://www.jewishgen.org
click on databases and then select Jewishgen Discussion Group archived
messages....search on words like Moises Ville, Sante Fe Argentina
JCA (Jewish Colonization Association)

Also check out the interactive Publications Database to see if anyone has
entered any books about Moises Ville or Argentina

Sorry to take so long in answering your message, but things have been
popping around here with the new server and all of us getting used to using
it.

Good luck with your search...I will be posting information about searching
in Argentina shortly.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA