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Re: Abbreviations of Tombstone #general

MBernet@...
 

We have spent some time "looking at a list of tombstone inscriptions >from the
Jewish cemetery in Binsfurth (Hessen), and I have come across a few
abbreviations that I do not understand"

Since Sel.A. stands for Selige Andenke
(and not Z"L -- Zichrono Livracha, the usual Hebrew acronym), it would be
reasonable to assume that all the others (except PERHAPS the SgL--see my
previous posting) are purely German abbreviations for purely German words.

Is anyone familiar with Non Jewish inscriptions/acronyms in German graveyards?
with highly assimilated Jews' inscriptions? Knowledge of these fine points
could tell us much about the families buried there. Of course it might be
possible that these stones were erected where there was no stonemason able to
carve a Hebrew stone.


Michael Bernet

seeking:
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF[F] Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt, Antwerp, Rotterdam
WOLF, Sali & Rachel, Rotterdam, murdered by Dr. Petiot, Paris ca 1942
WEIL[L], Albert, Fr. hon. consul in Nurnberg; returned to France 1936/7.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Abbreviations of Tombstone #general

MBernet@...
 

We have spent some time "looking at a list of tombstone inscriptions >from the
Jewish cemetery in Binsfurth (Hessen), and I have come across a few
abbreviations that I do not understand"

Since Sel.A. stands for Selige Andenke
(and not Z"L -- Zichrono Livracha, the usual Hebrew acronym), it would be
reasonable to assume that all the others (except PERHAPS the SgL--see my
previous posting) are purely German abbreviations for purely German words.

Is anyone familiar with Non Jewish inscriptions/acronyms in German graveyards?
with highly assimilated Jews' inscriptions? Knowledge of these fine points
could tell us much about the families buried there. Of course it might be
possible that these stones were erected where there was no stonemason able to
carve a Hebrew stone.


Michael Bernet

seeking:
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF[F] Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt, Antwerp, Rotterdam
WOLF, Sali & Rachel, Rotterdam, murdered by Dr. Petiot, Paris ca 1942
WEIL[L], Albert, Fr. hon. consul in Nurnberg; returned to France 1936/7.


Elizabeth and Jane #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Could someone tell me what the jewish equivalent of the names Elizabeth and
Jane.
Thank you fromValerie Gold.
When you say "Jewish equivalent", both of those are actually Jewish
(Hebrew) names!

Elizabeth is the New Testament's spelling for the Hebrew name Elisheva. In
the Hebrew Bible, Elisheva (mentioned only once, at Exodus 6:23) is the
wife of Aaron the High Priest; in the NT she is the mother of John the
Baptist (see the Gospel of Luke, ch. 1)

Jane (like Jeanne, Joanna, etc.) is a feminine form of John. It's a
version of the Hebrew name Yohannah (spelled Joanna in the NT) which is
the feminine form of the masculine name Yohanan (found several times in
the Hebrew Bible) which later becomes Latin "Johannes" and English
"John."
In the Bible, Yohannah appears in the shortened form Hannah -- the mother
of the prophet Samuel.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Elizabeth and Jane #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Could someone tell me what the jewish equivalent of the names Elizabeth and
Jane.
Thank you fromValerie Gold.
When you say "Jewish equivalent", both of those are actually Jewish
(Hebrew) names!

Elizabeth is the New Testament's spelling for the Hebrew name Elisheva. In
the Hebrew Bible, Elisheva (mentioned only once, at Exodus 6:23) is the
wife of Aaron the High Priest; in the NT she is the mother of John the
Baptist (see the Gospel of Luke, ch. 1)

Jane (like Jeanne, Joanna, etc.) is a feminine form of John. It's a
version of the Hebrew name Yohannah (spelled Joanna in the NT) which is
the feminine form of the masculine name Yohanan (found several times in
the Hebrew Bible) which later becomes Latin "Johannes" and English
"John."
In the Bible, Yohannah appears in the shortened form Hannah -- the mother
of the prophet Samuel.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu


Folk Etymology or true Abbreviations/Tombstone Inscrip. #general

MBernet@...
 

<<Gela, Ehefrau des Elchanan Sg"L us Spangenberg >>

Many have written in to suggest that Sg"L stands for Sgan Levi, Deputy Levite,
and is the origin of the SEGAL name. The problem is that Deputy Levite makes
no sense to me (a Levi myself) AND, to my knowledge, is never used of any
Levite not called Segal (Or Siegel or Segalovitch etc.). Perhaps this is a
case of back-formation of folk etymology.

A thought: Elchanan on this stone has no surname. Ergo Sg"L is his surname.
Ergo he is one of the Segal's who is a Levi and assumes that Segal must stand
for Sgan Levi.

Some write Katz as Ka"tz to indicate its origin as Cohen Tzedek--Righteous
Priest (a title never used, to my knowledge, for any Cohen who is not called
Katz or Katzenberg--on the other hand I know no Katz or Katzenberg who is not
a Cohen though I don't think I know and Segal who is a Levi).

Back formations based on folk etymology?: If Katz is a Cohen, the name must
stand for Cohen Tzedek; ergo if Segal is a Levi, it must stand for Segan Levi
(Why not Stam Levi, "just an ordinary Levi?" <g>.)

Schatz is supposed to be a Chazan, but at least the abbreviation (for SHAliach
TZibur) is a common term to indicate a Chazan (cantor) and is found scattered
throughout recent rabbinic writings and the prayer book. I'll accept that name
origin as being at least plausible.

Schub/Schaub is said to be a slaughterer/kashrut supervisor (SHochet
UBodek)--again, plausible, though I am not sure that someone can halakhically
perform both functions at one time. Why doesn't he simply use the much more
common name Schachter?

Getz is said to stand for GEr TZedek (Convert--rather surprising since it is a
sin to remind a convert of his past).

To what extent are the above true acronyms and to what extent are these back
formations based on folk etymology? Can any experts on Jewish names fill us
in? A better understanding of the real and imaginary origins of these popular
names might help us in our Gen research.

Does Klein stand for "Katzin Linat Tzedek," (the official for hopitality to
the stranger and the indigent)? Gross for "Gabbai ROshi leSmachot" (Chief
treasurer for celebrations)? Hey, anyone can join this club! What can you
make of YOUR name

Michael BERNET (BEn Rabbi NETzach--<g>)

seeking: BERNET >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF[F] Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt, Antwerp, Rotterdam


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Folk Etymology or true Abbreviations/Tombstone Inscrip. #general

MBernet@...
 

<<Gela, Ehefrau des Elchanan Sg"L us Spangenberg >>

Many have written in to suggest that Sg"L stands for Sgan Levi, Deputy Levite,
and is the origin of the SEGAL name. The problem is that Deputy Levite makes
no sense to me (a Levi myself) AND, to my knowledge, is never used of any
Levite not called Segal (Or Siegel or Segalovitch etc.). Perhaps this is a
case of back-formation of folk etymology.

A thought: Elchanan on this stone has no surname. Ergo Sg"L is his surname.
Ergo he is one of the Segal's who is a Levi and assumes that Segal must stand
for Sgan Levi.

Some write Katz as Ka"tz to indicate its origin as Cohen Tzedek--Righteous
Priest (a title never used, to my knowledge, for any Cohen who is not called
Katz or Katzenberg--on the other hand I know no Katz or Katzenberg who is not
a Cohen though I don't think I know and Segal who is a Levi).

Back formations based on folk etymology?: If Katz is a Cohen, the name must
stand for Cohen Tzedek; ergo if Segal is a Levi, it must stand for Segan Levi
(Why not Stam Levi, "just an ordinary Levi?" <g>.)

Schatz is supposed to be a Chazan, but at least the abbreviation (for SHAliach
TZibur) is a common term to indicate a Chazan (cantor) and is found scattered
throughout recent rabbinic writings and the prayer book. I'll accept that name
origin as being at least plausible.

Schub/Schaub is said to be a slaughterer/kashrut supervisor (SHochet
UBodek)--again, plausible, though I am not sure that someone can halakhically
perform both functions at one time. Why doesn't he simply use the much more
common name Schachter?

Getz is said to stand for GEr TZedek (Convert--rather surprising since it is a
sin to remind a convert of his past).

To what extent are the above true acronyms and to what extent are these back
formations based on folk etymology? Can any experts on Jewish names fill us
in? A better understanding of the real and imaginary origins of these popular
names might help us in our Gen research.

Does Klein stand for "Katzin Linat Tzedek," (the official for hopitality to
the stranger and the indigent)? Gross for "Gabbai ROshi leSmachot" (Chief
treasurer for celebrations)? Hey, anyone can join this club! What can you
make of YOUR name

Michael BERNET (BEn Rabbi NETzach--<g>)

seeking: BERNET >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF[F] Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt, Antwerp, Rotterdam


Searching: SPANDAU #general

Linda Saegert <lsaegert@...>
 

Does anyone have any info on this name? I have been unable to find it
anywhere but in my tree. Thanks a bunch!
Linda Saegert
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: SPANDAU #general

Linda Saegert <lsaegert@...>
 

Does anyone have any info on this name? I have been unable to find it
anywhere but in my tree. Thanks a bunch!
Linda Saegert
New York


To those interested in Adolph Zukor #hungary

Margarita <uzidog@...>
 

Dear seekers,

Before our SIGs go off line to change "service", I would like to know who else among us is interested in Adolph Zukor, the founder of Paramount studio and native of Ricse, Hungary. I have little additional information about him, just a story >from a cousin saying that one of our BLAUs >from Abaujszanto might have gone to America with him. That's all.
Anyone else interested in Mr. Zukor? Please reply privately.

Margarita Lackó
Belgrano
uzidog@post1.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary To those interested in Adolph Zukor #hungary

Margarita <uzidog@...>
 

Dear seekers,

Before our SIGs go off line to change "service", I would like to know who else among us is interested in Adolph Zukor, the founder of Paramount studio and native of Ricse, Hungary. I have little additional information about him, just a story >from a cousin saying that one of our BLAUs >from Abaujszanto might have gone to America with him. That's all.
Anyone else interested in Mr. Zukor? Please reply privately.

Margarita Lackó
Belgrano
uzidog@post1.com


Hungarian records after 1895 #hungary

Henry Wellisch <Henry_Wellisch@...>
 

I am sure that many or even most of us are familiar with the
Jewish/Hungarian BMD records on the FHL microfilms. The problem is that
these records end in 1895 when, as I understand it, the Hungarian
government took over BMD registration >from the religious communities.
My questions are as follows:
1. Are the BMD records for the period after 1895 in the regional County
archives, in local city halls or in both?
2. Are these records of uniform appearance throughout Hungary?
3. Are they indexed?
4. Is it possible for a local person to walk in and copy by hand the
entries, or do some archives have photocopiers that can be used.
5. Are the archives responding to mail enquiries?
6. What are the charges for a record, when enquiring by mail. Are there
uniform rates?
7. Does Hungary have some privacy laws?
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Re: Center for Jewish History #hungary

BABSK@...
 

Louis,

You said it all - and beautifully as usual.

Barbara


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian records after 1895 #hungary

Henry Wellisch <Henry_Wellisch@...>
 

I am sure that many or even most of us are familiar with the
Jewish/Hungarian BMD records on the FHL microfilms. The problem is that
these records end in 1895 when, as I understand it, the Hungarian
government took over BMD registration >from the religious communities.
My questions are as follows:
1. Are the BMD records for the period after 1895 in the regional County
archives, in local city halls or in both?
2. Are these records of uniform appearance throughout Hungary?
3. Are they indexed?
4. Is it possible for a local person to walk in and copy by hand the
entries, or do some archives have photocopiers that can be used.
5. Are the archives responding to mail enquiries?
6. What are the charges for a record, when enquiring by mail. Are there
uniform rates?
7. Does Hungary have some privacy laws?
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Center for Jewish History #hungary

BABSK@...
 

Louis,

You said it all - and beautifully as usual.

Barbara


Jewish Chronicle Website #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Could someone let me know the Jewish Chronical website. Also the UK jewishgen
website.
Thank you >from Valerie Gold.

The JEWISH CHRONICLE website is: http://www.jchron.co.uk/

The website of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain is
http://www.ort.org/jgsgb/index.htm

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Chronicle Website #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Could someone let me know the Jewish Chronical website. Also the UK jewishgen
website.
Thank you >from Valerie Gold.

The JEWISH CHRONICLE website is: http://www.jchron.co.uk/

The website of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain is
http://www.ort.org/jgsgb/index.htm

Judith Romney Wegner


Searching: LINKOFF/SILVERMAN/SILVERSTEIN #general

Gailcopela@...
 

I'm beginning to get into some serious research about my family. Since my
grandfather came >from what we would today term a "dysfunctional" family of
sorts, he spoke very little about his parents or his siblings. I'm trying to
put the pieces of the puzzle together. Here's some of what I know. If you
think you might be able to help me (or want more details), or if you would be
able to put me in touch with sources that might be useful, please e-mail me
directly. This is my first time posting a message to this list; I hope this
one is not too long.

LINKOFF: My late grandfather told me that his father, Raphael (Ralph) Linkoff,
had emigrated >from Lithuania to England. Unfortunately, my grandfather never
told me >from what town exactly, so this is one piece of information I'd like
to try to pin down. I was also told that this greatgrandfather "brought over"
his brother >from Lithuania to London, and that this brother was killed by a
streetcar, and that there was a sister who went to S. Africa, though I don't
know if she made this journey directly >from Lithuania or via England (I
realize that this was a very popular destination for many Lithuanian Jews). If
I can, I'd like to find out the names of these siblings.

SILVERMAN: It would appear that Raphael Linkoff had yet another sister who
found her way to New York City, one "Janie" Silverman, who had a son (who
would have been born in the early 1900s) named Sidney (who later anglicized
the surname to Sills). "Janie" could not have been this woman's real name. Any
ideas as to what her name might have been in Yiddish/Hebrew?

SILVERSTEIN: Raphael Linkoff's wife's name was Mary (Miriam) nee Silverstein.
She up and left home (her husband, four daughters and one son) around 1910 --
she ran away with the border! Does this story ring bells with anyone out
there?

Thanks.

Gail Copeland
Thornhill, Ontario CANADA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: LINKOFF/SILVERMAN/SILVERSTEIN #general

Gailcopela@...
 

I'm beginning to get into some serious research about my family. Since my
grandfather came >from what we would today term a "dysfunctional" family of
sorts, he spoke very little about his parents or his siblings. I'm trying to
put the pieces of the puzzle together. Here's some of what I know. If you
think you might be able to help me (or want more details), or if you would be
able to put me in touch with sources that might be useful, please e-mail me
directly. This is my first time posting a message to this list; I hope this
one is not too long.

LINKOFF: My late grandfather told me that his father, Raphael (Ralph) Linkoff,
had emigrated >from Lithuania to England. Unfortunately, my grandfather never
told me >from what town exactly, so this is one piece of information I'd like
to try to pin down. I was also told that this greatgrandfather "brought over"
his brother >from Lithuania to London, and that this brother was killed by a
streetcar, and that there was a sister who went to S. Africa, though I don't
know if she made this journey directly >from Lithuania or via England (I
realize that this was a very popular destination for many Lithuanian Jews). If
I can, I'd like to find out the names of these siblings.

SILVERMAN: It would appear that Raphael Linkoff had yet another sister who
found her way to New York City, one "Janie" Silverman, who had a son (who
would have been born in the early 1900s) named Sidney (who later anglicized
the surname to Sills). "Janie" could not have been this woman's real name. Any
ideas as to what her name might have been in Yiddish/Hebrew?

SILVERSTEIN: Raphael Linkoff's wife's name was Mary (Miriam) nee Silverstein.
She up and left home (her husband, four daughters and one son) around 1910 --
she ran away with the border! Does this story ring bells with anyone out
there?

Thanks.

Gail Copeland
Thornhill, Ontario CANADA


Name:ELKA #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

We had an earlier discussion about the origin of the name Elka. I just had
the thought that perhaps it could be related to the name HELGA in the same
way Henya is related to the name EUGENIA.

Any thoughts?

David Goldman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Name:ELKA #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

We had an earlier discussion about the origin of the name Elka. I just had
the thought that perhaps it could be related to the name HELGA in the same
way Henya is related to the name EUGENIA.

Any thoughts?

David Goldman