Regarding Jewish BMD registrations in Hungary, I tend to agree with
Maureen and Gyury that Jews in small localities without a Jewish community
organization registered BMDs with the closest organized Jewish community.
Indeed, I think Jews in Hungary during the 19th century were organized
this way.
I think that Linda’s assertion that there may be entries in the Christian
records may be correct for Poland, but I have not heard of such cases in
Hungary.
In my own family my grandfather Simon Deutsch was born in Lebeny St.
Miklos in 1855. Apparently there was no Jewish community there, so his
birth was entered in the newly established register of the nearby Jewish
community of Moson. For the first few years this register was kept by the
local Catholic priest.
Similarly my mother Jolan Deutsch was born in 1892 in Neusiedel am See (
Nezsider) now in the Burgenland, Austria, but formerly in Hungary. Her
birth was registered in Kittsee-Gattendorf ( Kopczeny-Gata).
Incidentally, according to my mother, her father gave her the name
Josephine and she was known under this name all her life. However the
registrar in Kopzceny entered her name on her birth certificate and
register as Jolan and this was only discovered years later. My mother
claimed that this occured because of the Hungarian Nationalistic
tendencies of the registrar.

Regarding Jewish BMD registrations in Hungary, I tend to agree with
Maureen and Gyury that Jews in small localities without a Jewish community
organization registered BMDs with the closest organized Jewish community.
Indeed, I think Jews in Hungary during the 19th century were organized
this way.
I think that Linda’s assertion that there may be entries in the Christian
records may be correct for Poland, but I have not heard of such cases in
Hungary.
In my own family my grandfather Simon Deutsch was born in Lebeny St.
Miklos in 1855. Apparently there was no Jewish community there, so his
birth was entered in the newly established register of the nearby Jewish
community of Moson. For the first few years this register was kept by the
local Catholic priest.
Similarly my mother Jolan Deutsch was born in 1892 in Neusiedel am See (
Nezsider) now in the Burgenland, Austria, but formerly in Hungary. Her
birth was registered in Kittsee-Gattendorf ( Kopczeny-Gata).
Incidentally, according to my mother, her father gave her the name
Josephine and she was known under this name all her life. However the
registrar in Kopzceny entered her name on her birth certificate and
register as Jolan and this was only discovered years later. My mother
claimed that this occured because of the Hungarian Nationalistic
tendencies of the registrar.

I have just received >from a professional German archivist, a manual on reading
the old script. (He tells me, incidentally, that Hitler banned this script in
the early 1940's because some fool had told him it was based on Hebrew
script!) I haven't been able to open it yet. When I do, I might be able to
make it available to others, unless it is copyrighted.

In a message dated 98-08-25 23:59:58 EDT, you write:

<< Searching: ANDERSON, DANNENBERG, DEUTSCH, FALK, FISCHER, HAUK,
HIMMELREICH, KLINE, LOEWY, PLAUT, ROSENBLATT, SCHAAN, SCHWABACHER and WOLF
plus anyone else >>

OK: the name LOEWY (for Levi) runs in my ancestral family in the 17th and
18th century, mostly in the village of Frensdorf but also in nearby Bamberg,
and its other surrounding villages.

Walter FALK of Nurnberg b. 1929, son of a dentist, was my closest friend in
school. Now lives in a Chicago suburb.

PLAUT was a kosher restaurateur whose premises adjoined our home on
Zufuhrstrasse 8, Nurnberg. My pgm Rosa lived with us at that address; She
was the daughter of Aron WOLF and Babette GOLDSCHMIDT of Frankfurt. Rosa
BERNET had a sister Clothilde who lived next door above the restaurant; she
was married to a Hugo GAERTNER (tailor). She moved to Antwerp ca 1937.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFWER: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

List edited by the moderator.

My great grandfather, Victor (Avigdor) KRAVITZ was born in Janova in
roughly 1865. He died in Chicago in January, 1951. His parents were
Isiah and Leah Cyril KRAVITZ. He had a brother, who took the last name
Garber when they moved to the USA, as his brother was a tanner.
Victor KRAVITZ married Loni SCHNEIDER and moved to the nearby town of
Droghichin, where they had Bessie, Sarah, Joe (Friedel), Meyer, and
Jerry. All eventually settled in Chicago.

Wondering if anyone out there knows of any other brothers or sisters of
Victor KRAVITZ and what became of them. I am also trying to track down
Leah CYRIL's maiden name. It may link me to a very large family tree of
EISENSTEINs.

Sandy Levin
Searching:

KRAVITZ >from Janova/Droghichin
RICHIE/YZVERRICHEN >from Shklov
BEDNO/BEDNOVITCH >from Zambrov
YELLIN >from Wysockie Mazovetz

This book is a highly recommended resource for finding US military
records.
--
Bernard I. Kouchel
<koosh@att.net>

-------------
U.S. Military Records : A Guide to Federal and State
Sources, Colonial America to the Present
by James C. Neagles
Hardcover (March 1998)
Ancestry, Incorporated;
ISBN: 0916489558
------------

Jeanne Gold wrote:

I am searching for parts of my family:

GORDON - Chicago area

DUA - Israel, Philadelphia

If you have any information about either of these family groups, please
contact me. Thank you.

Stephen Schneider
<sschneid@sricboces.org>
<thebear412@aol.com>

In reply to Steve Kitnick
Several years ago Rabbi Malcolm Stern wrote an item "Ten Commandments
For Genealogists" (not sure of exact title). Perhaps someone will post
them here.

--
Bernard I. Kouchel
<koosh@att.net>

Kitnick1@aol.com wrote:

I am looking for Eileen E. KERBEL and Sue ENGELMAN both graduated Richmond
Hill HS in 1954/1956.
I do not know their married names and would like to find them.
Please contact me on ESES@AOL.COM
thanks
Errol Schneegurt

I have just received >from a professional German archivist, a manual on reading
the old script. (He tells me, incidentally, that Hitler banned this script in
the early 1940's because some fool had told him it was based on Hebrew
script!) I haven't been able to open it yet. When I do, I might be able to
make it available to others, unless it is copyrighted.

In a message dated 98-08-25 23:59:58 EDT, you write:

<< Searching: ANDERSON, DANNENBERG, DEUTSCH, FALK, FISCHER, HAUK,
HIMMELREICH, KLINE, LOEWY, PLAUT, ROSENBLATT, SCHAAN, SCHWABACHER and WOLF
plus anyone else >>

OK: the name LOEWY (for Levi) runs in my ancestral family in the 17th and
18th century, mostly in the village of Frensdorf but also in nearby Bamberg,
and its other surrounding villages.

Walter FALK of Nurnberg b. 1929, son of a dentist, was my closest friend in
school. Now lives in a Chicago suburb.

PLAUT was a kosher restaurateur whose premises adjoined our home on
Zufuhrstrasse 8, Nurnberg. My pgm Rosa lived with us at that address; She
was the daughter of Aron WOLF and Babette GOLDSCHMIDT of Frankfurt. Rosa
BERNET had a sister Clothilde who lived next door above the restaurant; she
was married to a Hugo GAERTNER (tailor). She moved to Antwerp ca 1937.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFWER: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

List edited by the moderator.

My great grandfather, Victor (Avigdor) KRAVITZ was born in Janova in
roughly 1865. He died in Chicago in January, 1951. His parents were
Isiah and Leah Cyril KRAVITZ. He had a brother, who took the last name
Garber when they moved to the USA, as his brother was a tanner.
Victor KRAVITZ married Loni SCHNEIDER and moved to the nearby town of
Droghichin, where they had Bessie, Sarah, Joe (Friedel), Meyer, and
Jerry. All eventually settled in Chicago.

Wondering if anyone out there knows of any other brothers or sisters of
Victor KRAVITZ and what became of them. I am also trying to track down
Leah CYRIL's maiden name. It may link me to a very large family tree of
EISENSTEINs.

Sandy Levin
Searching:

KRAVITZ >from Janova/Droghichin
RICHIE/YZVERRICHEN >from Shklov
BEDNO/BEDNOVITCH >from Zambrov
YELLIN >from Wysockie Mazovetz

This book is a highly recommended resource for finding US military
records.
--
Bernard I. Kouchel
<koosh@att.net>

-------------
U.S. Military Records : A Guide to Federal and State
Sources, Colonial America to the Present
by James C. Neagles
Hardcover (March 1998)
Ancestry, Incorporated;
ISBN: 0916489558
------------

Jeanne Gold wrote:

I am searching for parts of my family:

GORDON - Chicago area

DUA - Israel, Philadelphia

If you have any information about either of these family groups, please
contact me. Thank you.

Stephen Schneider
<sschneid@sricboces.org>
<thebear412@aol.com>

In reply to Steve Kitnick
Several years ago Rabbi Malcolm Stern wrote an item "Ten Commandments
For Genealogists" (not sure of exact title). Perhaps someone will post
them here.

--
Bernard I. Kouchel
<koosh@att.net>

Kitnick1@aol.com wrote:

I am looking for Eileen E. KERBEL and Sue ENGELMAN both graduated Richmond
Hill HS in 1954/1956.
I do not know their married names and would like to find them.
Please contact me on ESES@AOL.COM
thanks
Errol Schneegurt

I couldn't help being amused by the following statement someone made re
service in the Czar's Army:

There were many Jews in Russian army and the serving was compulsive<

Somehow I tend to doubt that! Compulsory, maybe, but compulsive?? In
this particular regard, Jews were surely more elusive than compulsive!
(-:)

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu

I couldn't help being amused by the following statement someone made re
service in the Czar's Army:

There were many Jews in Russian army and the serving was compulsive<

Somehow I tend to doubt that! Compulsory, maybe, but compulsive?? In
this particular regard, Jews were surely more elusive than compulsive!
(-:)

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu

I recently stumbled across an unexpected way of determining moves of
people >from one City and State to another. While scanning the Newark
City Directories (published almost every year >from about 1880 to 1965)
for family names of interest ONE YEAR AT A TIME, I came across LAST
chronological references to several people where the entry said simply:
"removed to XX, YY", where XX was a city and YY was a state. I wish you
similar luck. Email me for further info. on the Newark City
Directories.
I would suggest contacting the appropriate public library, university,
or historical society for other directories of interest to you.
Dr. Howard M. Relles
Schenectady, NY

The Newark City Directories (published almost every year >from about 1880
to 1965) are a wealth of information about occupations, businesses, and
addresses for family members in the work force or as each entered the
work force. Email me for further info. on the Newark City Directories.
I would suggest contacting the appropriate public library, university,
or historical society for other directories of interest to you.
Dr. Howard M. Relles
Schenectady, NY

I recently stumbled across an unexpected way of determining death
dates. While scanning the Newark City Directories (published almost
every year >from about 1880 to 1965) for family names of interest ONE
YEAR AT A TIME, I came across FIRST chronological references to several
women in the year following the LAST chronological reference to their
husband and in which the listing said simple "Widow of (that husband)".
I wish you similar luck. Email me for further info. on the Newark City
Directories.
I would suggest contacting the appropriate public library, university,
or historical society for other directories of interest to you.
Dr. Howard M. Relles
Schenectady, NY

Every so often I check the JRI database for family names. In my last
search, I was looking for the name BUDNE and found the 1883 marriage licence
for my wifes great grand mother Haja to Joszk Offman. In the same search I
found the Joszk's birth certicate and the birth certicate for his daughter
(my wife's grand mother). Even more important was that I found the town
name... Ostrow Maz! I began looking around in the info available for this
town and discovered that Stanley Diamond was researching the same surname.

As quick as I could type I sent Stanley an email, asking if my names sounded
familiar. Stanley quickly responded that he was researching the OFFMAN
family, but that his cousin Judie Ostroff-Goldstein knew more about the
family than he did. I emailed Judie and withing a few hours of emailing and
telephoning, had a GEDCOM file on my PC with about 700 relatives I never
knew about. Not only did I find whole branches of the OFFMAN family, but I
was introduced to two wonderful people (Judie and Stanley), without whom
this discovery would not have been possible.

Edward Rosenbaum
Bergenfield, NJ