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Re: Abbreviations/Tombstone Inscrip. #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

Actually, Sg"L means "Sgan laCohanim", not "Sgan laLeviim" which
is impossible as mentioned in the posting quoted below. Yes, it
means that the deceased was a Levi. Sg"L is the origin of the
Levite surname "Segal".

As a Levi
 myself, I have heard here and there that segan levi is the origin for some
 Segal family names--but I'm puzzled because one is either a Levi or not a
 Levi.
 Michael Bernet

Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

(Remove "takeout" >from domain; change "sheol" to "stan". Sorry)

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ISMACH, ROKITA: Lomza Gubernia,
Poland
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Romania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Abbreviations/Tombstone Inscrip. #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

Actually, Sg"L means "Sgan laCohanim", not "Sgan laLeviim" which
is impossible as mentioned in the posting quoted below. Yes, it
means that the deceased was a Levi. Sg"L is the origin of the
Levite surname "Segal".

As a Levi
 myself, I have heard here and there that segan levi is the origin for some
 Segal family names--but I'm puzzled because one is either a Levi or not a
 Levi.
 Michael Bernet

Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

(Remove "takeout" >from domain; change "sheol" to "stan". Sorry)

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ISMACH, ROKITA: Lomza Gubernia,
Poland
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Romania


Death cert. - Jacob EDELMAN #general

Roger Edelman <roger_edelman@...>
 

In the process of researching my GGF, Jacob EDELMAN, I have asked for and
received death certificates of the same. This weekend, I received certificates
for two Jacob EDELMAN's who are not my GGF. [In the time between sending the
requests and receiving them, I learned the exact date of death and burial
location.]

Please e-mail me privately to obtain the particulars for the death certificates I received.

Roger Edelman

Searching: EDELMAN, FINKELSTEIN, MARET, MARETSKY, PERLMAN, STUKATOR, CUTTER,
YORKIN, KARSHINSKY


Grave Stone Photos Needed #general

Roger Edelman <roger_edelman@...>
 

I need the help of someone in or around Farmingdale, NY.

A few relatives are buried in the Beth Moses Cemetery (approx 4-6). I have
contacted the cemetery about taking photos and sending them to me. They will
not.

If someone in the area could, I would be happy to return the favor in the DC
area.

Thanks,
Roger Edelman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Death cert. - Jacob EDELMAN #general

Roger Edelman <roger_edelman@...>
 

In the process of researching my GGF, Jacob EDELMAN, I have asked for and
received death certificates of the same. This weekend, I received certificates
for two Jacob EDELMAN's who are not my GGF. [In the time between sending the
requests and receiving them, I learned the exact date of death and burial
location.]

Please e-mail me privately to obtain the particulars for the death certificates I received.

Roger Edelman

Searching: EDELMAN, FINKELSTEIN, MARET, MARETSKY, PERLMAN, STUKATOR, CUTTER,
YORKIN, KARSHINSKY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Grave Stone Photos Needed #general

Roger Edelman <roger_edelman@...>
 

I need the help of someone in or around Farmingdale, NY.

A few relatives are buried in the Beth Moses Cemetery (approx 4-6). I have
contacted the cemetery about taking photos and sending them to me. They will
not.

If someone in the area could, I would be happy to return the favor in the DC
area.

Thanks,
Roger Edelman


Re: SG"L - Derivation of Segal #general

Jay A. Palmer <jpalmer2@...>
 

Samekh - Gimel - roshei tevot - Lamed (SG"L)

The expression SG"L (and the names Segal/Siegel, etc., in all the variants)
is an abbreviation for s'gan la-k'hunah, literally "assistant to the
priesthood", as the L'viyim were assistants to the Kohanim at the Temple.

A Sephardic version of this naming tradition gives us the family name
Ozery, literally "helper", a surname of some families of Levitic descent.

Jay A. Palmer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: SG"L - Derivation of Segal #general

Jay A. Palmer <jpalmer2@...>
 

Samekh - Gimel - roshei tevot - Lamed (SG"L)

The expression SG"L (and the names Segal/Siegel, etc., in all the variants)
is an abbreviation for s'gan la-k'hunah, literally "assistant to the
priesthood", as the L'viyim were assistants to the Kohanim at the Temple.

A Sephardic version of this naming tradition gives us the family name
Ozery, literally "helper", a surname of some families of Levitic descent.

Jay A. Palmer


Re: Abbreviations of Tombstone #general

MBernet@...
 

We have spent some time "looking at a list of tombstone inscriptions >from the
Jewish cemetery in Binsfurth (Hessen), and I have come across a few
abbreviations that I do not understand"

Since Sel.A. stands for Selige Andenke
(and not Z"L -- Zichrono Livracha, the usual Hebrew acronym), it would be
reasonable to assume that all the others (except PERHAPS the SgL--see my
previous posting) are purely German abbreviations for purely German words.

Is anyone familiar with Non Jewish inscriptions/acronyms in German graveyards?
with highly assimilated Jews' inscriptions? Knowledge of these fine points
could tell us much about the families buried there. Of course it might be
possible that these stones were erected where there was no stonemason able to
carve a Hebrew stone.


Michael Bernet

seeking:
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF[F] Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt, Antwerp, Rotterdam
WOLF, Sali & Rachel, Rotterdam, murdered by Dr. Petiot, Paris ca 1942
WEIL[L], Albert, Fr. hon. consul in Nurnberg; returned to France 1936/7.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Abbreviations of Tombstone #general

MBernet@...
 

We have spent some time "looking at a list of tombstone inscriptions >from the
Jewish cemetery in Binsfurth (Hessen), and I have come across a few
abbreviations that I do not understand"

Since Sel.A. stands for Selige Andenke
(and not Z"L -- Zichrono Livracha, the usual Hebrew acronym), it would be
reasonable to assume that all the others (except PERHAPS the SgL--see my
previous posting) are purely German abbreviations for purely German words.

Is anyone familiar with Non Jewish inscriptions/acronyms in German graveyards?
with highly assimilated Jews' inscriptions? Knowledge of these fine points
could tell us much about the families buried there. Of course it might be
possible that these stones were erected where there was no stonemason able to
carve a Hebrew stone.


Michael Bernet

seeking:
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF[F] Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt, Antwerp, Rotterdam
WOLF, Sali & Rachel, Rotterdam, murdered by Dr. Petiot, Paris ca 1942
WEIL[L], Albert, Fr. hon. consul in Nurnberg; returned to France 1936/7.


Elizabeth and Jane #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Could someone tell me what the jewish equivalent of the names Elizabeth and
Jane.
Thank you fromValerie Gold.
When you say "Jewish equivalent", both of those are actually Jewish
(Hebrew) names!

Elizabeth is the New Testament's spelling for the Hebrew name Elisheva. In
the Hebrew Bible, Elisheva (mentioned only once, at Exodus 6:23) is the
wife of Aaron the High Priest; in the NT she is the mother of John the
Baptist (see the Gospel of Luke, ch. 1)

Jane (like Jeanne, Joanna, etc.) is a feminine form of John. It's a
version of the Hebrew name Yohannah (spelled Joanna in the NT) which is
the feminine form of the masculine name Yohanan (found several times in
the Hebrew Bible) which later becomes Latin "Johannes" and English
"John."
In the Bible, Yohannah appears in the shortened form Hannah -- the mother
of the prophet Samuel.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Elizabeth and Jane #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Could someone tell me what the jewish equivalent of the names Elizabeth and
Jane.
Thank you fromValerie Gold.
When you say "Jewish equivalent", both of those are actually Jewish
(Hebrew) names!

Elizabeth is the New Testament's spelling for the Hebrew name Elisheva. In
the Hebrew Bible, Elisheva (mentioned only once, at Exodus 6:23) is the
wife of Aaron the High Priest; in the NT she is the mother of John the
Baptist (see the Gospel of Luke, ch. 1)

Jane (like Jeanne, Joanna, etc.) is a feminine form of John. It's a
version of the Hebrew name Yohannah (spelled Joanna in the NT) which is
the feminine form of the masculine name Yohanan (found several times in
the Hebrew Bible) which later becomes Latin "Johannes" and English
"John."
In the Bible, Yohannah appears in the shortened form Hannah -- the mother
of the prophet Samuel.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu


Folk Etymology or true Abbreviations/Tombstone Inscrip. #general

MBernet@...
 

<<Gela, Ehefrau des Elchanan Sg"L us Spangenberg >>

Many have written in to suggest that Sg"L stands for Sgan Levi, Deputy Levite,
and is the origin of the SEGAL name. The problem is that Deputy Levite makes
no sense to me (a Levi myself) AND, to my knowledge, is never used of any
Levite not called Segal (Or Siegel or Segalovitch etc.). Perhaps this is a
case of back-formation of folk etymology.

A thought: Elchanan on this stone has no surname. Ergo Sg"L is his surname.
Ergo he is one of the Segal's who is a Levi and assumes that Segal must stand
for Sgan Levi.

Some write Katz as Ka"tz to indicate its origin as Cohen Tzedek--Righteous
Priest (a title never used, to my knowledge, for any Cohen who is not called
Katz or Katzenberg--on the other hand I know no Katz or Katzenberg who is not
a Cohen though I don't think I know and Segal who is a Levi).

Back formations based on folk etymology?: If Katz is a Cohen, the name must
stand for Cohen Tzedek; ergo if Segal is a Levi, it must stand for Segan Levi
(Why not Stam Levi, "just an ordinary Levi?" <g>.)

Schatz is supposed to be a Chazan, but at least the abbreviation (for SHAliach
TZibur) is a common term to indicate a Chazan (cantor) and is found scattered
throughout recent rabbinic writings and the prayer book. I'll accept that name
origin as being at least plausible.

Schub/Schaub is said to be a slaughterer/kashrut supervisor (SHochet
UBodek)--again, plausible, though I am not sure that someone can halakhically
perform both functions at one time. Why doesn't he simply use the much more
common name Schachter?

Getz is said to stand for GEr TZedek (Convert--rather surprising since it is a
sin to remind a convert of his past).

To what extent are the above true acronyms and to what extent are these back
formations based on folk etymology? Can any experts on Jewish names fill us
in? A better understanding of the real and imaginary origins of these popular
names might help us in our Gen research.

Does Klein stand for "Katzin Linat Tzedek," (the official for hopitality to
the stranger and the indigent)? Gross for "Gabbai ROshi leSmachot" (Chief
treasurer for celebrations)? Hey, anyone can join this club! What can you
make of YOUR name

Michael BERNET (BEn Rabbi NETzach--<g>)

seeking: BERNET >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF[F] Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt, Antwerp, Rotterdam


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Folk Etymology or true Abbreviations/Tombstone Inscrip. #general

MBernet@...
 

<<Gela, Ehefrau des Elchanan Sg"L us Spangenberg >>

Many have written in to suggest that Sg"L stands for Sgan Levi, Deputy Levite,
and is the origin of the SEGAL name. The problem is that Deputy Levite makes
no sense to me (a Levi myself) AND, to my knowledge, is never used of any
Levite not called Segal (Or Siegel or Segalovitch etc.). Perhaps this is a
case of back-formation of folk etymology.

A thought: Elchanan on this stone has no surname. Ergo Sg"L is his surname.
Ergo he is one of the Segal's who is a Levi and assumes that Segal must stand
for Sgan Levi.

Some write Katz as Ka"tz to indicate its origin as Cohen Tzedek--Righteous
Priest (a title never used, to my knowledge, for any Cohen who is not called
Katz or Katzenberg--on the other hand I know no Katz or Katzenberg who is not
a Cohen though I don't think I know and Segal who is a Levi).

Back formations based on folk etymology?: If Katz is a Cohen, the name must
stand for Cohen Tzedek; ergo if Segal is a Levi, it must stand for Segan Levi
(Why not Stam Levi, "just an ordinary Levi?" <g>.)

Schatz is supposed to be a Chazan, but at least the abbreviation (for SHAliach
TZibur) is a common term to indicate a Chazan (cantor) and is found scattered
throughout recent rabbinic writings and the prayer book. I'll accept that name
origin as being at least plausible.

Schub/Schaub is said to be a slaughterer/kashrut supervisor (SHochet
UBodek)--again, plausible, though I am not sure that someone can halakhically
perform both functions at one time. Why doesn't he simply use the much more
common name Schachter?

Getz is said to stand for GEr TZedek (Convert--rather surprising since it is a
sin to remind a convert of his past).

To what extent are the above true acronyms and to what extent are these back
formations based on folk etymology? Can any experts on Jewish names fill us
in? A better understanding of the real and imaginary origins of these popular
names might help us in our Gen research.

Does Klein stand for "Katzin Linat Tzedek," (the official for hopitality to
the stranger and the indigent)? Gross for "Gabbai ROshi leSmachot" (Chief
treasurer for celebrations)? Hey, anyone can join this club! What can you
make of YOUR name

Michael BERNET (BEn Rabbi NETzach--<g>)

seeking: BERNET >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF[F] Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt, Antwerp, Rotterdam


Searching: SPANDAU #general

Linda Saegert <lsaegert@...>
 

Does anyone have any info on this name? I have been unable to find it
anywhere but in my tree. Thanks a bunch!
Linda Saegert
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: SPANDAU #general

Linda Saegert <lsaegert@...>
 

Does anyone have any info on this name? I have been unable to find it
anywhere but in my tree. Thanks a bunch!
Linda Saegert
New York


To those interested in Adolph Zukor #hungary

Margarita <uzidog@...>
 

Dear seekers,

Before our SIGs go off line to change "service", I would like to know who else among us is interested in Adolph Zukor, the founder of Paramount studio and native of Ricse, Hungary. I have little additional information about him, just a story >from a cousin saying that one of our BLAUs >from Abaujszanto might have gone to America with him. That's all.
Anyone else interested in Mr. Zukor? Please reply privately.

Margarita Lackó
Belgrano
uzidog@post1.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary To those interested in Adolph Zukor #hungary

Margarita <uzidog@...>
 

Dear seekers,

Before our SIGs go off line to change "service", I would like to know who else among us is interested in Adolph Zukor, the founder of Paramount studio and native of Ricse, Hungary. I have little additional information about him, just a story >from a cousin saying that one of our BLAUs >from Abaujszanto might have gone to America with him. That's all.
Anyone else interested in Mr. Zukor? Please reply privately.

Margarita Lackó
Belgrano
uzidog@post1.com


Hungarian records after 1895 #hungary

Henry Wellisch <Henry_Wellisch@...>
 

I am sure that many or even most of us are familiar with the
Jewish/Hungarian BMD records on the FHL microfilms. The problem is that
these records end in 1895 when, as I understand it, the Hungarian
government took over BMD registration >from the religious communities.
My questions are as follows:
1. Are the BMD records for the period after 1895 in the regional County
archives, in local city halls or in both?
2. Are these records of uniform appearance throughout Hungary?
3. Are they indexed?
4. Is it possible for a local person to walk in and copy by hand the
entries, or do some archives have photocopiers that can be used.
5. Are the archives responding to mail enquiries?
6. What are the charges for a record, when enquiring by mail. Are there
uniform rates?
7. Does Hungary have some privacy laws?
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Re: Center for Jewish History #hungary

BABSK@...
 

Louis,

You said it all - and beautifully as usual.

Barbara