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Re: ALEINOKOV and others #belarus

dardasht@...
 

Subject: Re: Re: Alienikov Family
From: krefman@cybersol.com (Krefman, Stephen)


In response to the recent postings by David Brill and Schelly
Dardashti regarding the Alienikov family:

I have an ALENIKOV family tree at my home going back to a Dov Ber
ALENIKOV in the mid 1800's in Tolshin, Mogilev Gebernia and including
people killed in the holocaust and others who lived in Moscow, Russia
and in Philadelphia, PA. Related names I recall being on the tree
include NAIDOVICH and STUCKMEISTER. Much of the information came from
a recent Soviet emigree in NYC with whom I corresponded in the 1980's.
Dear Steve, the names Dov Ber, Berka or Berl (or a better transliteration
would be Berel) are nearly interchangable. Dov=Ber, both mean "bear", and
Berka and Berl are variations. Either the same person, or named after the same
ancestor, allowing for personal taste and naming fashion!!

The name "Berka" ALEINIKOFF found by Schelly Dardashti does not sound
familiar but I do recall a Beryl.

When I locate the tree, I will post it to the Belarus SIG.
That would be a big help. thanks, Steve.

Steve, I took the liberty of checking the index for your names. See below 9May
be of interest to others). Remembering our cardinal rule of being flexible in
possibilities, some are not exact, but are possible variations. Again, i took
the liberty of posting this to the group in the hope that others looking for
similar names might find something they recognize or are interested in
pursuing. Good luck to all.

Surnames of greatest interest to me in Mogilev Gebernia (or Moliver
Gebernia, as my family calls it) are:

TSELOVITZ / TILOWITS (Orsha)1873 TILES Gdalia
1874: TILES Idel
1877: TININ Shmuil
1887: TILIN Mordukh TILIn Abram-elia

ROZIN / ROSEN (Orsha)
1872: REIZIN Yankel
1873: RASSIN Meer
1873: RASSINKIN Meer (could be same as above)
1874: ROZANOV Abram-Alter ROZENBERG Shmuil (twins)
1875: ROZIN Khaim ROZINBERG Movsha ROZIN Khaim
1876: ROZMAN Isroil
1877: ROZIN Afroim ROZENGAUZ (G=H) (ROSENHAUS) Ekhil
RASSIN Dovid-Meilakh ROZINKIN Aizik
1878: ROZIN David ROZIN Borukh-Leib ROZMAN Yankel
1880: ROSSIN girsha RUSHIN Vulf ROZIN Movsha
1883: ROZENGAUZ Ekhil
1885: RISSIN Dovid
1887: ROZIN Alter ROZINBERG Meer ROZENGAUZ Ekhil ROZMAN Shmuil
1888: ROZENBAUM Movsha ROZMAN Dovid ROZMAN Dovid ROZENBAUM Movsha
1889: ROZIN Meer ROZINOV Alter
1890: ROZIN Essel (twins) ROZIN Feig
1892: RUZIN Khaya-Sora (mother is listed when father dies before birth)
ROZINKIN Abram

KRUGLOS / KRUGLOZE (Tolshin)1872: KRUKOV Gershon
1880: KRUGLYANSKI Abram-Shloma, KARUKIN Nokhim
1881: KRUGLIK Simkha-Yankel
1883: KARUKIN Nokhim
1885: KRUGLYAK Simkha-Yankel
1890: KORUKIN Nokhim


NAIDEAU / NAIDOFF / NAIDOVICH (Tolshin)1873: NEIMAN Shmuil-Essel NAIMARK Kahim-Vulf NAIMARK Zalman-Essel
NEISSIKHIN Essel
1874: NEDOSHEVER Zusmn NESSIKHIN Girsh NEMOI Aron
1875: NAIMARK Leiba NAIMARK Gersel NAIMARK Aron NIDOSSOVSKI Menya
NAIMARK Elia-Vulf NAIMARK Mordukh-Leiba
1876: NEISSIKHIN Mikhel
1877: NEIMAN Ruvin NEISHTAT Essel-Girsh NAIMARK Khaim-Shloma NAIMARK Abram
NIDOSHEVER Menya NEIGAUZ Berka
1878: NAIMARK Zalman-Leiba NEUSSIKHIN Girsha (twins)
1881: NAISHTAT Shloma, NAIMARK Elia-Vulf NEISTKHIN Mikhel
1882: NEISHTAT Essel-Girsh, NIDOTEVER Zusman
1884: NIDOSHEVER Iotov (twins) NAIGAUZ Berka NAIMARK Isroil-Vulf
NAIMARK Khaim NAISHTAT Nessel
1886: NAISHTAT Shloma NAIMARK Khaim-Elia NAER Khaim NAER Leiba
NAIGAUZ Berka NAIMARK Aron-Isroil NAISHTAT shloma NAIMAN Yankel
NEDOSHEVSKI Zusman NAER Khaim
1891: NAIMARK Khaim-elia
1892: NAIMARK Vigdor NAIGAUZ Berka, NAIMARK Aron-Isroil NAISHTAT Essel-Girsh


Re: Orsha #belarus

dardasht@...
 

Orsha is, I believe, the next stop north on the train >from Mogilev. It is
relatively close to Mogilev.

Schelly TALALAY Dardashti
Mogilev city and Voratinschtina shtetl (agricultural colony established
by Baron Gunzberg/Ginsberg??? in 1830, about 18 km south southwest >from
the city): TALALAY, BERLIN, MITTLEMAN, YASIN/JASSEN, MIRLS, MERLIN,
ALTSHULER, STAROSELSKY, KORE, DISKEN, DONIN, ROGOVER, GINSBERG, and many
more.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: ALEINOKOV and others #belarus

dardasht@...
 

Subject: Re: Re: Alienikov Family
From: krefman@cybersol.com (Krefman, Stephen)


In response to the recent postings by David Brill and Schelly
Dardashti regarding the Alienikov family:

I have an ALENIKOV family tree at my home going back to a Dov Ber
ALENIKOV in the mid 1800's in Tolshin, Mogilev Gebernia and including
people killed in the holocaust and others who lived in Moscow, Russia
and in Philadelphia, PA. Related names I recall being on the tree
include NAIDOVICH and STUCKMEISTER. Much of the information came from
a recent Soviet emigree in NYC with whom I corresponded in the 1980's.
Dear Steve, the names Dov Ber, Berka or Berl (or a better transliteration
would be Berel) are nearly interchangable. Dov=Ber, both mean "bear", and
Berka and Berl are variations. Either the same person, or named after the same
ancestor, allowing for personal taste and naming fashion!!

The name "Berka" ALEINIKOFF found by Schelly Dardashti does not sound
familiar but I do recall a Beryl.

When I locate the tree, I will post it to the Belarus SIG.
That would be a big help. thanks, Steve.

Steve, I took the liberty of checking the index for your names. See below 9May
be of interest to others). Remembering our cardinal rule of being flexible in
possibilities, some are not exact, but are possible variations. Again, i took
the liberty of posting this to the group in the hope that others looking for
similar names might find something they recognize or are interested in
pursuing. Good luck to all.

Surnames of greatest interest to me in Mogilev Gebernia (or Moliver
Gebernia, as my family calls it) are:

TSELOVITZ / TILOWITS (Orsha)1873 TILES Gdalia
1874: TILES Idel
1877: TININ Shmuil
1887: TILIN Mordukh TILIn Abram-elia

ROZIN / ROSEN (Orsha)
1872: REIZIN Yankel
1873: RASSIN Meer
1873: RASSINKIN Meer (could be same as above)
1874: ROZANOV Abram-Alter ROZENBERG Shmuil (twins)
1875: ROZIN Khaim ROZINBERG Movsha ROZIN Khaim
1876: ROZMAN Isroil
1877: ROZIN Afroim ROZENGAUZ (G=H) (ROSENHAUS) Ekhil
RASSIN Dovid-Meilakh ROZINKIN Aizik
1878: ROZIN David ROZIN Borukh-Leib ROZMAN Yankel
1880: ROSSIN girsha RUSHIN Vulf ROZIN Movsha
1883: ROZENGAUZ Ekhil
1885: RISSIN Dovid
1887: ROZIN Alter ROZINBERG Meer ROZENGAUZ Ekhil ROZMAN Shmuil
1888: ROZENBAUM Movsha ROZMAN Dovid ROZMAN Dovid ROZENBAUM Movsha
1889: ROZIN Meer ROZINOV Alter
1890: ROZIN Essel (twins) ROZIN Feig
1892: RUZIN Khaya-Sora (mother is listed when father dies before birth)
ROZINKIN Abram

KRUGLOS / KRUGLOZE (Tolshin)1872: KRUKOV Gershon
1880: KRUGLYANSKI Abram-Shloma, KARUKIN Nokhim
1881: KRUGLIK Simkha-Yankel
1883: KARUKIN Nokhim
1885: KRUGLYAK Simkha-Yankel
1890: KORUKIN Nokhim


NAIDEAU / NAIDOFF / NAIDOVICH (Tolshin)1873: NEIMAN Shmuil-Essel NAIMARK Kahim-Vulf NAIMARK Zalman-Essel
NEISSIKHIN Essel
1874: NEDOSHEVER Zusmn NESSIKHIN Girsh NEMOI Aron
1875: NAIMARK Leiba NAIMARK Gersel NAIMARK Aron NIDOSSOVSKI Menya
NAIMARK Elia-Vulf NAIMARK Mordukh-Leiba
1876: NEISSIKHIN Mikhel
1877: NEIMAN Ruvin NEISHTAT Essel-Girsh NAIMARK Khaim-Shloma NAIMARK Abram
NIDOSHEVER Menya NEIGAUZ Berka
1878: NAIMARK Zalman-Leiba NEUSSIKHIN Girsha (twins)
1881: NAISHTAT Shloma, NAIMARK Elia-Vulf NEISTKHIN Mikhel
1882: NEISHTAT Essel-Girsh, NIDOTEVER Zusman
1884: NIDOSHEVER Iotov (twins) NAIGAUZ Berka NAIMARK Isroil-Vulf
NAIMARK Khaim NAISHTAT Nessel
1886: NAISHTAT Shloma NAIMARK Khaim-Elia NAER Khaim NAER Leiba
NAIGAUZ Berka NAIMARK Aron-Isroil NAISHTAT shloma NAIMAN Yankel
NEDOSHEVSKI Zusman NAER Khaim
1891: NAIMARK Khaim-elia
1892: NAIMARK Vigdor NAIGAUZ Berka, NAIMARK Aron-Isroil NAISHTAT Essel-Girsh


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Orsha #belarus

dardasht@...
 

Orsha is, I believe, the next stop north on the train >from Mogilev. It is
relatively close to Mogilev.

Schelly TALALAY Dardashti
Mogilev city and Voratinschtina shtetl (agricultural colony established
by Baron Gunzberg/Ginsberg??? in 1830, about 18 km south southwest >from
the city): TALALAY, BERLIN, MITTLEMAN, YASIN/JASSEN, MIRLS, MERLIN,
ALTSHULER, STAROSELSKY, KORE, DISKEN, DONIN, ROGOVER, GINSBERG, and many
more.


Re: Rabbi BARNETT RUDNICK #belarus

Steven Chall <steven.chall@...>
 

Might it have been Arthur KURZWEIL?

613 Steven Chall in Minneapolis, MN =[;-)
=====================================
On Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:06:31 EDT BSwart10@aol.com writes:
SNIP<<

Does the name Arthur KURZWALD sound fimiliar to anyone??. Some one
called me
during the summer when I was in LA and left a message for me call
back, >>SNIP


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Rabbi BARNETT RUDNICK #belarus

Steven Chall <steven.chall@...>
 

Might it have been Arthur KURZWEIL?

613 Steven Chall in Minneapolis, MN =[;-)
=====================================
On Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:06:31 EDT BSwart10@aol.com writes:
SNIP<<

Does the name Arthur KURZWALD sound fimiliar to anyone??. Some one
called me
during the summer when I was in LA and left a message for me call
back, >>SNIP


Re: STUCKMEISTER. #belarus

Botwinick@...
 

... in Philadelphia, PA. Related names I recall being on the tree ...
STUCKMEISTER. <<<

Interested in STROEKMEISTER in phila.

I have a shoemaker >from Lemberg and the Odessa area who came to Phila around
1915 leaving his family in Lemberg. Also have various materials on the
Stroekmisel name in general.

miltB
phila
botwinick@lycosmail.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: STUCKMEISTER. #belarus

Botwinick@...
 

... in Philadelphia, PA. Related names I recall being on the tree ...
STUCKMEISTER. <<<

Interested in STROEKMEISTER in phila.

I have a shoemaker >from Lemberg and the Odessa area who came to Phila around
1915 leaving his family in Lemberg. Also have various materials on the
Stroekmisel name in general.

miltB
phila
botwinick@lycosmail.com


WOLBROM data #poland

Robert Heyman <robeh@...>
 

The initial batch of Wolbrom data is now available on the Jewish
Records Indexing of Poland web site. It covers 1835-1837. Happy
searching!

Robert Heyman
robeh@mindspring.com
Wolbrom shtetl co-op coordinator


JRI Poland #Poland WOLBROM data #poland

Robert Heyman <robeh@...>
 

The initial batch of Wolbrom data is now available on the Jewish
Records Indexing of Poland web site. It covers 1835-1837. Happy
searching!

Robert Heyman
robeh@mindspring.com
Wolbrom shtetl co-op coordinator


Re: *Re: Center for Jewish History #hungary

cohentalk@...
 

I am an American who is Jewish, and I am a Jew who is an American. I don't
need any one to give me the right to be who I am. No one can take who I am
from me. I am. It doesn't matter what my name is. I am. No matter how I am
hurt, I hurt. It is not right to attempt to separate the parts that make up
the total.
I have the opinion that G-d has given us the right to be as we were born and
as what we are in our minds and hearts. So to further process my idea: If a
person is Hungarian, he is. If he is Jewish, he is. Freedom means not having
to choose between the two, nor put one first. Freedom means not having to
separate ourselves. I think people must start protecting the freedom of all
people to be who and what we want to be. What once was, was bad. Let's move
forward and empower the movement of free choice for all.
I am writing because of Tom's words. I am so sorry for what he has
experienced. I am upset that choices were forced upon him.

Regards to all,
Linda Cohen


Re: Childrens Homes #unitedkingdom

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

Hardly 'A' children's home. The famous Norwood celebrated its bicentenary
in 1995 although it began under different names.

You say you want help. What help?

Harold Pollins
pollins@globalnet.co.uk
-----
A distant cousin Ben MYERS >from Liverpool UK, was sent to a childrens
home
called Norwood in London.I think in the early 1900s.
His son Morris MYERS lives in Washington USA.
Can any of you wonderful jewishgenners help me?
Thats not all: What information does an american death certificate have
on it?
Regards >from Valerie Gold. UK
RUP29 @aol.com.


Restitution in Poland #poland

Serge Rozenblum <Serge_Rozenblum@...>
 

Once again I am asking the same questions. I have received some responses=

right now asking me a lot of money . I was in Poland last year and I
know of things are working there but may be a good willing person can
help me.

I have read about the restitution of public property in Poland (as
cemetery). The cynical text point out that public office will be given
back to local jewish institution. Is this law running now? If not what
is the exact planning?
If it positive, what about small towns where there are not anymore any
jewish presence (as Grodzisk Maz around 20 km south of Warsaw)?

Last question but I don't expect answer. What are the terms & conditions
to set up in Poland a non profit association?

Many thanks,
Serge Rozenblum, Paris, France


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: *Re: Center for Jewish History #hungary

cohentalk@...
 

I am an American who is Jewish, and I am a Jew who is an American. I don't
need any one to give me the right to be who I am. No one can take who I am
from me. I am. It doesn't matter what my name is. I am. No matter how I am
hurt, I hurt. It is not right to attempt to separate the parts that make up
the total.
I have the opinion that G-d has given us the right to be as we were born and
as what we are in our minds and hearts. So to further process my idea: If a
person is Hungarian, he is. If he is Jewish, he is. Freedom means not having
to choose between the two, nor put one first. Freedom means not having to
separate ourselves. I think people must start protecting the freedom of all
people to be who and what we want to be. What once was, was bad. Let's move
forward and empower the movement of free choice for all.
I am writing because of Tom's words. I am so sorry for what he has
experienced. I am upset that choices were forced upon him.

Regards to all,
Linda Cohen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Childrens Homes #general

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

Hardly 'A' children's home. The famous Norwood celebrated its bicentenary
in 1995 although it began under different names.

You say you want help. What help?

Harold Pollins
pollins@globalnet.co.uk
-----
A distant cousin Ben MYERS >from Liverpool UK, was sent to a childrens
home
called Norwood in London.I think in the early 1900s.
His son Morris MYERS lives in Washington USA.
Can any of you wonderful jewishgenners help me?
Thats not all: What information does an american death certificate have
on it?
Regards >from Valerie Gold. UK
RUP29 @aol.com.


JRI Poland #Poland Restitution in Poland #poland

Serge Rozenblum <Serge_Rozenblum@...>
 

Once again I am asking the same questions. I have received some responses=

right now asking me a lot of money . I was in Poland last year and I
know of things are working there but may be a good willing person can
help me.

I have read about the restitution of public property in Poland (as
cemetery). The cynical text point out that public office will be given
back to local jewish institution. Is this law running now? If not what
is the exact planning?
If it positive, what about small towns where there are not anymore any
jewish presence (as Grodzisk Maz around 20 km south of Warsaw)?

Last question but I don't expect answer. What are the terms & conditions
to set up in Poland a non profit association?

Many thanks,
Serge Rozenblum, Paris, France


Re: 1848 Tax Census from Munkacs #hungary

cohentalk@...
 

Dear H Sig people,

I have received Louis' help and his opinion about the 1848 taxation, land census records for Hungary, Bereg County, Munkacs-- Film # 1529782. Film # 1529783 and #1529784 have more towns of Bereg country. The records, probably, are not Jewish records.

I am ill equipped to translate the language on the film; even so, it is my
impression that the material filmed was about non-Jewish Hungarians.

I live north of Detroit, Michigan. The film of the 1848 census is on loan at the Mormon Family History Center Library in Bloomfield Hills. It is on loan for 3 more weeks. I would be pleased to share the film with whoever wants. Ask for my drawer at the Center. I would appreciate another person's view of the film.

And I am sorry for anyone's disappointment relating to this matter.

Regards,
Linda Cohen


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: 1848 Tax Census from Munkacs #hungary

cohentalk@...
 

Dear H Sig people,

I have received Louis' help and his opinion about the 1848 taxation, land census records for Hungary, Bereg County, Munkacs-- Film # 1529782. Film # 1529783 and #1529784 have more towns of Bereg country. The records, probably, are not Jewish records.

I am ill equipped to translate the language on the film; even so, it is my
impression that the material filmed was about non-Jewish Hungarians.

I live north of Detroit, Michigan. The film of the 1848 census is on loan at the Mormon Family History Center Library in Bloomfield Hills. It is on loan for 3 more weeks. I would be pleased to share the film with whoever wants. Ask for my drawer at the Center. I would appreciate another person's view of the film.

And I am sorry for anyone's disappointment relating to this matter.

Regards,
Linda Cohen


London directories #general

JoeZam@...
 

As some of my ancestors lived in London prior to coming to the U.S., I ordered
London post office directories at the LDS FHC. However, the general directory
is ordered by street name. This is of little use since I am trying to locate
the address to look up in the 1891 census.

Is anyone aware of a name ordered directory for London in this timeframe?

Thanks,

Joseph T. Zamrin
Tampa, FL

JoeZam@AOL.com

Searching ZAMARIN, ZAMRIN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen London directories #general

JoeZam@...
 

As some of my ancestors lived in London prior to coming to the U.S., I ordered
London post office directories at the LDS FHC. However, the general directory
is ordered by street name. This is of little use since I am trying to locate
the address to look up in the 1891 census.

Is anyone aware of a name ordered directory for London in this timeframe?

Thanks,

Joseph T. Zamrin
Tampa, FL

JoeZam@AOL.com

Searching ZAMARIN, ZAMRIN