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Re: Definitions of Askenazi and Sepharadi #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-08-17 12:19:58 EDT, you write:

<< This means f.e. that jews of
Syria or Gruzia are neither Ashkenazi nor Sepharadi !
In the last years in Israel the term "sepharadi" is used to denote
all jews coming >from the Asia or Africa, but this is completely wrong.
Best regards, >>

No, Alice, it is not COMPLETELY wrong. We should be very careful before we
make such sweeping statements especially if they appear to shastize others.

There is a distinction in many areas between Ashkenazim and Sfardim in matters
of minhag and halakha: what is the proper method of kosher slaughtering, what
is permitted to eat, what is permitted on Pesach, how to write Torah and
mezuza scrolls, how to put on tefillin, what is the correct order of
prayers--and laws governing marriage, divorce etc. The distinction dates way
back, to some extent for over 20 centuries between the customs of the
Babylonian exiles and those who returned to Zion, and was further sharpened In
the 11th - 14th century CE as the laws were codified, and even more so when
printing made possible the wide dissemination of prayer books. Those in the
south of Europe, N Africa and the middle East adopted the Sefardi rules,
emanating largely >from the laws codified by the Spanish sages; those north of
the Pyrenees, the alps and the Danube valley basing themselves on the rules
promulgated first by the scholars of the Rhine basin and later those of
Germany and Poland, and to some extent, e.g. the pronounciation, influenced by
the Jerusalem, rather than Babylonian ways. (Ashkenazi Hassidim--who came
from Eastern Europe in the 18th century and are not to be confused with
Hassidei Ashkenaz who flourished in Western Germany in the middle ages--under
the influences of the Kabbalist of Safed adopted some modified Sephardi rites,
especially in the order of prayers, known as Nussach Sfard to distinguish it
from Nussach Sfardi--everything clear now? <g>.)
Some say that the Sfardim of Spain etc migrated there before the destruction
of the Temple, while the Ashkenazim of the Rhine Basin are descended >from Jews
enslaved by the Romans at the fall of Jerusalem, and brought to Rome in
chains; later, freed, they followed the routes of Roman conquests in Europe.

Ashkenaz is NOT the Hebrew name for Germany. Its morphology is clearly not
even Hebrew. Ashkenaz is mentioned as the name of a tribe descended from
Yaphet, son of Noah and was MANY years later, for reasons not quite clear,
attributed to the Rhineland area that was to become for many centuries the
center of Judaism in Germany. Sefard is a Hebrew word; its association with
Spain came relatively late in our history.

I think that's about all that henealogists need to know on this topic <g>

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

Bernet: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
Königshöfer: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
Altmann: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
Wolf(f): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam


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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Definitions of Askenazi and Sepharadi #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-08-17 12:19:58 EDT, you write:

<< This means f.e. that jews of
Syria or Gruzia are neither Ashkenazi nor Sepharadi !
In the last years in Israel the term "sepharadi" is used to denote
all jews coming >from the Asia or Africa, but this is completely wrong.
Best regards, >>

No, Alice, it is not COMPLETELY wrong. We should be very careful before we
make such sweeping statements especially if they appear to shastize others.

There is a distinction in many areas between Ashkenazim and Sfardim in matters
of minhag and halakha: what is the proper method of kosher slaughtering, what
is permitted to eat, what is permitted on Pesach, how to write Torah and
mezuza scrolls, how to put on tefillin, what is the correct order of
prayers--and laws governing marriage, divorce etc. The distinction dates way
back, to some extent for over 20 centuries between the customs of the
Babylonian exiles and those who returned to Zion, and was further sharpened In
the 11th - 14th century CE as the laws were codified, and even more so when
printing made possible the wide dissemination of prayer books. Those in the
south of Europe, N Africa and the middle East adopted the Sefardi rules,
emanating largely >from the laws codified by the Spanish sages; those north of
the Pyrenees, the alps and the Danube valley basing themselves on the rules
promulgated first by the scholars of the Rhine basin and later those of
Germany and Poland, and to some extent, e.g. the pronounciation, influenced by
the Jerusalem, rather than Babylonian ways. (Ashkenazi Hassidim--who came
from Eastern Europe in the 18th century and are not to be confused with
Hassidei Ashkenaz who flourished in Western Germany in the middle ages--under
the influences of the Kabbalist of Safed adopted some modified Sephardi rites,
especially in the order of prayers, known as Nussach Sfard to distinguish it
from Nussach Sfardi--everything clear now? <g>.)
Some say that the Sfardim of Spain etc migrated there before the destruction
of the Temple, while the Ashkenazim of the Rhine Basin are descended >from Jews
enslaved by the Romans at the fall of Jerusalem, and brought to Rome in
chains; later, freed, they followed the routes of Roman conquests in Europe.

Ashkenaz is NOT the Hebrew name for Germany. Its morphology is clearly not
even Hebrew. Ashkenaz is mentioned as the name of a tribe descended from
Yaphet, son of Noah and was MANY years later, for reasons not quite clear,
attributed to the Rhineland area that was to become for many centuries the
center of Judaism in Germany. Sefard is a Hebrew word; its association with
Spain came relatively late in our history.

I think that's about all that henealogists need to know on this topic <g>

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

Bernet: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
Königshöfer: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
Altmann: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
Wolf(f): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam


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Subject descriptions in postings #general

arlene parnes <arlene@...>
 

Please make your subject headings specific. I find that since the format
has changed, I look at the list and if the heading doesn't have enough, or
specific enough info, I just delete the entire Digest. Before, there seemed
to have more info and at least it intrigued me to look at almost all of the
entries. I haven't the time nor the patience to go thru all of the list as
it is.

So, please -- give more info in THOSE HEADINGS.

Thanks
Arlene

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Subject descriptions in postings #general

arlene parnes <arlene@...>
 

Please make your subject headings specific. I find that since the format
has changed, I look at the list and if the heading doesn't have enough, or
specific enough info, I just delete the entire Digest. Before, there seemed
to have more info and at least it intrigued me to look at almost all of the
entries. I haven't the time nor the patience to go thru all of the list as
it is.

So, please -- give more info in THOSE HEADINGS.

Thanks
Arlene

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Re: SCHRAGER death in Israel #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Joyce writes:
jdmeyer <jdmeyer@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: SCHRAGER

my pgggf was Philip (Phillip?) Schrager >from Iasi, >Romania.
I was told he went to Palestine to die -- this would >probably have been
c. 1910.
Is there any way to look up deaths this early >from records >in Israel?
Yes indeed! Sallyann Sack's book "A Guide to Jewish Gernealogical Research
in Israel" ISBN 0-9626373-7-8
provides the addresses to various Chevra Kadisha (Burial Societies) For a
modest donation they will look up the information and mail it back to you.
That's how I found the grave of my mggrandmother on Mt. of Olives Cemetery
for exactly the same time period Joyce mentions.

Now, thanks to the willingness and persistence of Israel Pickholtz in
Israel, for whom my sister did some research in the LDS records here in the
U.S., we are close to being able to have a phtograph the stone! Israel has
found the grave, but the stone needs to be turned over so he can
photograph it and to do this he needs the help of some stronger, younger
people. <grin> Knowing Israel, he will get the job done, soon

Bottom line is, if you do your "homework" and are prepared to do research
in return for a favor, you can get the job done. Heartfelt thanks to Israel
P, BTW

Hate to sound like a billboard, but that's what JewishGen is all about!

Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re:SCHRAGER death in Israel #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Joyce writes:
jdmeyer <jdmeyer@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: SCHRAGER

my pgggf was Philip (Phillip?) Schrager >from Iasi, >Romania.
I was told he went to Palestine to die -- this would >probably have been
c. 1910.
Is there any way to look up deaths this early >from records >in Israel?
Yes indeed! Sallyann Sack's book "A Guide to Jewish Gernealogical Research
in Israel" ISBN 0-9626373-7-8
provides the addresses to various Chevra Kadisha (Burial Societies) For a
modest donation they will look up the information and mail it back to you.
That's how I found the grave of my mggrandmother on Mt. of Olives Cemetery
for exactly the same time period Joyce mentions.

Now, thanks to the willingness and persistence of Israel Pickholtz in
Israel, for whom my sister did some research in the LDS records here in the
U.S., we are close to being able to have a phtograph the stone! Israel has
found the grave, but the stone needs to be turned over so he can
photograph it and to do this he needs the help of some stronger, younger
people. <grin> Knowing Israel, he will get the job done, soon

Bottom line is, if you do your "homework" and are prepared to do research
in return for a favor, you can get the job done. Heartfelt thanks to Israel
P, BTW

Hate to sound like a billboard, but that's what JewishGen is all about!

Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA


Searching: KIRSCH; GRAUER #general

Julianne and Thomas Lockwood <juto@...>
 

I am searching for the children or grandchildren of BENJAMIN KIRSCH who
lived on Sutter Avenue in Brooklyn, N. Y. at the turn of the century. He was married to ESTHER. Their children were Pauline, Julius, Abraham,
Joseph, sidney, Gerold, Nettie and Leonard. If any of these names
should be familiar to anyone out there, I would appreciate the
information.

I am also searching for the children or grandchildren of MORITZ, HENRY,
or LOUIS GRAUER. They came to New York in the 1880s and settled in
Brooklyn, New York as well.

Any information that could be of help in locating any of these people
would be of great assistance to me.


Julie Lockwood


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: KIRSCH; GRAUER #general

Julianne and Thomas Lockwood <juto@...>
 

I am searching for the children or grandchildren of BENJAMIN KIRSCH who
lived on Sutter Avenue in Brooklyn, N. Y. at the turn of the century. He was married to ESTHER. Their children were Pauline, Julius, Abraham,
Joseph, sidney, Gerold, Nettie and Leonard. If any of these names
should be familiar to anyone out there, I would appreciate the
information.

I am also searching for the children or grandchildren of MORITZ, HENRY,
or LOUIS GRAUER. They came to New York in the 1880s and settled in
Brooklyn, New York as well.

Any information that could be of help in locating any of these people
would be of great assistance to me.


Julie Lockwood


Trip reports, anyone! (& interchangeable names) #hungary

Mehadrin@...
 

I can hardly believe that people are returning >from voyages of discovery in
Hungary at this time of year, and are not bombarding H-sig with exciting
reports of great finds! Please deluge us with notes about cemetery
inscriptions, local archives unfilmed through Mormons, local knowledgeable
experts, and all the usual things one can only find on the spot.
*********************************
Lajos/Ludwig/Louis/Lewis is one name in various translations. In the Austro-
Hungarian empire, before 1860-something Hungarian names were routinely written
in their German form at the discretion of the person keeping the register.
This did not mean that the person was called Ludwig, just written down as
Ludwig, although called Lajos. (At a much earlier time we find the use of
Latin forms of names, although these were never used in common speech.) Such
is the nature of the multi-lingual empire. After that time there was legal
approval for the use of Hungarian names in official records, but older usage
still prevailed sometimes. We often see people recorded by Hungarian version
at birth, German version at marriage and Hebrew-Yiddish name at death and
vice-versa. One should really not make an issue out of this at all.
***************************
Incidentally I had another example recently of two people asking for
information >from the archives in Bratislava about common ancestors, and
getting different items of information.
And for those of us who are part-(Ost-)Galitzianer, like myself you can
receive different answers >from the archives in Cracow and Warsaw about the
availability of pre-WW1 registers for communities now in Ukraine but
originally part of Austrian Galicia. One person will be told we have that
town, the next person will be told we don;t have it. Personal visitors have
had considerable success with a display of greenbacks (US$$$)
*************************************
Best wishes,
Rabbi Avrohom Marmorstein
mehadrin@aol.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Trip reports, anyone! (& interchangeable names) #hungary

Mehadrin@...
 

I can hardly believe that people are returning >from voyages of discovery in
Hungary at this time of year, and are not bombarding H-sig with exciting
reports of great finds! Please deluge us with notes about cemetery
inscriptions, local archives unfilmed through Mormons, local knowledgeable
experts, and all the usual things one can only find on the spot.
*********************************
Lajos/Ludwig/Louis/Lewis is one name in various translations. In the Austro-
Hungarian empire, before 1860-something Hungarian names were routinely written
in their German form at the discretion of the person keeping the register.
This did not mean that the person was called Ludwig, just written down as
Ludwig, although called Lajos. (At a much earlier time we find the use of
Latin forms of names, although these were never used in common speech.) Such
is the nature of the multi-lingual empire. After that time there was legal
approval for the use of Hungarian names in official records, but older usage
still prevailed sometimes. We often see people recorded by Hungarian version
at birth, German version at marriage and Hebrew-Yiddish name at death and
vice-versa. One should really not make an issue out of this at all.
***************************
Incidentally I had another example recently of two people asking for
information >from the archives in Bratislava about common ancestors, and
getting different items of information.
And for those of us who are part-(Ost-)Galitzianer, like myself you can
receive different answers >from the archives in Cracow and Warsaw about the
availability of pre-WW1 registers for communities now in Ukraine but
originally part of Austrian Galicia. One person will be told we have that
town, the next person will be told we don;t have it. Personal visitors have
had considerable success with a display of greenbacks (US$$$)
*************************************
Best wishes,
Rabbi Avrohom Marmorstein
mehadrin@aol.com


Grebow and Tarnobrzeg #general

Ronisl@...
 

Since Tarnobrzeg is only 8.1 miles west of Grebow in Galicia, I would also be
interested in finding out about that book : MEMORIES OF MY SHTETL: DHZIKEV/
TARNOBZHEG. Thanks.
Roni Seibel Liebowitz
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Grebow and Tarnobrzeg #general

Ronisl@...
 

Since Tarnobrzeg is only 8.1 miles west of Grebow in Galicia, I would also be
interested in finding out about that book : MEMORIES OF MY SHTETL: DHZIKEV/
TARNOBZHEG. Thanks.
Roni Seibel Liebowitz
New York


Searching: FLAUM and WIENER #general

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Jewishgenners,

Does anyone out there know the history of the FLAUM family that came to the
U.S. >from Russia (?) via Liverpool, England? Here is the sketchy information
I have so far:

The family legend is that the original name was WEINER and was changed to
FLAUM in Russia or England. Mr. FLAUM, who was my husband's great or great-
great grandfather, was apparently quite a ladies' man and had numerous wives
(~ five, I assume, consecutively) and children. He or his descendents came to
the U.S. at some point.

One of Mr. FLAUM'S descendents was Barney FLAUM, of New York who owned a
construction business in Pennsylvania and later was in the grocery business in
Miami, Florida. Barney had red hair and was a hemophiliac. He married Hilda
COHEN and had two sons, Morton and Harold, both deceased. There are many
FLAUMs in the U.S. and some in Canada, England and South Africa and I'd like
to know how they are all related. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Shirley Flaum
Houston, Texas
Seflaum@aol.com

searching WEINER, FLAUM, COHEN, HOROVITZ, GOLDBERG, ROTBEIN, ROTBAJN,
LIPNICKA, ZAK, RUBINSTEIN, MILNER, BURSTEIN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: FLAUM and WIENER #general

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Jewishgenners,

Does anyone out there know the history of the FLAUM family that came to the
U.S. >from Russia (?) via Liverpool, England? Here is the sketchy information
I have so far:

The family legend is that the original name was WEINER and was changed to
FLAUM in Russia or England. Mr. FLAUM, who was my husband's great or great-
great grandfather, was apparently quite a ladies' man and had numerous wives
(~ five, I assume, consecutively) and children. He or his descendents came to
the U.S. at some point.

One of Mr. FLAUM'S descendents was Barney FLAUM, of New York who owned a
construction business in Pennsylvania and later was in the grocery business in
Miami, Florida. Barney had red hair and was a hemophiliac. He married Hilda
COHEN and had two sons, Morton and Harold, both deceased. There are many
FLAUMs in the U.S. and some in Canada, England and South Africa and I'd like
to know how they are all related. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Shirley Flaum
Houston, Texas
Seflaum@aol.com

searching WEINER, FLAUM, COHEN, HOROVITZ, GOLDBERG, ROTBEIN, ROTBAJN,
LIPNICKA, ZAK, RUBINSTEIN, MILNER, BURSTEIN


My WEISZ/WEISS family tree, posting #5 #hungary

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

This is a continuation of my postings of 6,7,27July, 3,17 Aug

C. Jen=F6 FEHER b 1891 Sarkad, d 1972 Paris
+ Margit WEISZ b 1899 Ermihalyfalva, d 1996 Paris

1. Agnes FEHER. b Salonta
+ Marc Bruma, b Bucharest, d.Paris

a) Jean BRUMA, b Paris
b) Paul BRUMA, b Paris
+ Christine MEMET, b. Paros

1) Gabriel BRUMA, b Paris
2) Laure BRUMA, b Paris

2. Ladislau FEHER, b Salonta
+ Rose

D. Sandor WEISZ, b ? Sarkad, d. USA ?

E. Regina WEISZ,b ?, d 1944
+ Simon SALAMON

1. Ica SALAMON, b ?, d 1944
2. Jancsi SALAMON, b ?, d Jerusalim
+ Klari ?
=09
a) Gabi SALAMON, b Jerusalim ?
=09
3. Irenke SALAMON, b? Salonta, d 1944
4. Manci SALAMON, b ? Salonta, d 1944

F. Samuel WEISZ ?

G. Juliska WEISZ, b ? Salonta, d ? Salonta
+ ? PALLER

1. Imre PALLER, b? Salonta, d ? Kiriat Shmone
+ Lotti ?
=09
a) Robert PALLER ?

2. Erzsi PALLER, b ? Salonta, d. 1944
+ Naci ROSENBLAU, b? d.1944
=09
a) Imre ROSENBLAU ?
b) Manci ROSENBLAU ?

3. Sandor PALLER ?
4. Lajos PALLER, b ? Salonta, d Kiriat Shmone
+ Gizike, b? d. Kiriat Shmone
=09
a) David PALLER, ?
+ Rachel ?

5. Ilonka PALLER, b ?Salonta, d 1944
6. Laci PALLER, b ? Salonta, d 1944

Is to be continued.

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
susanna.vendel@swipnet.se


Re: Where are Affidavit and Visa Records? #general

MarkGrekin <markgrekin@...>
 

Hello Jean,

I have a death certificate and petition of naturalization of one of my
relatives and would like to find more about him. Where can i find Freedom of
Information form in my city, Los Angeles?
Mark Grekin <markgrekin@aol.com>


Hungary SIG #Hungary My WEISZ/WEISS family tree, posting #5 #hungary

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

This is a continuation of my postings of 6,7,27July, 3,17 Aug

C. Jen=F6 FEHER b 1891 Sarkad, d 1972 Paris
+ Margit WEISZ b 1899 Ermihalyfalva, d 1996 Paris

1. Agnes FEHER. b Salonta
+ Marc Bruma, b Bucharest, d.Paris

a) Jean BRUMA, b Paris
b) Paul BRUMA, b Paris
+ Christine MEMET, b. Paros

1) Gabriel BRUMA, b Paris
2) Laure BRUMA, b Paris

2. Ladislau FEHER, b Salonta
+ Rose

D. Sandor WEISZ, b ? Sarkad, d. USA ?

E. Regina WEISZ,b ?, d 1944
+ Simon SALAMON

1. Ica SALAMON, b ?, d 1944
2. Jancsi SALAMON, b ?, d Jerusalim
+ Klari ?
=09
a) Gabi SALAMON, b Jerusalim ?
=09
3. Irenke SALAMON, b? Salonta, d 1944
4. Manci SALAMON, b ? Salonta, d 1944

F. Samuel WEISZ ?

G. Juliska WEISZ, b ? Salonta, d ? Salonta
+ ? PALLER

1. Imre PALLER, b? Salonta, d ? Kiriat Shmone
+ Lotti ?
=09
a) Robert PALLER ?

2. Erzsi PALLER, b ? Salonta, d. 1944
+ Naci ROSENBLAU, b? d.1944
=09
a) Imre ROSENBLAU ?
b) Manci ROSENBLAU ?

3. Sandor PALLER ?
4. Lajos PALLER, b ? Salonta, d Kiriat Shmone
+ Gizike, b? d. Kiriat Shmone
=09
a) David PALLER, ?
+ Rachel ?

5. Ilonka PALLER, b ?Salonta, d 1944
6. Laci PALLER, b ? Salonta, d 1944

Is to be continued.

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
susanna.vendel@swipnet.se


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Where are Affidavit and Visa Records? #general

MarkGrekin <markgrekin@...>
 

Hello Jean,

I have a death certificate and petition of naturalization of one of my
relatives and would like to find more about him. Where can i find Freedom of
Information form in my city, Los Angeles?
Mark Grekin <markgrekin@aol.com>


Searching: WEISZ family members #general

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

Dear Tavi,

I am posting my answer to the Jewishgen too, in case other researchers are
interested by this information.

I don't have any Marton WEISZ in my family records but the name PORGESZ
appears a 3rd level of relationship. Here is all I know about them:

Cella WEISZ, b ca 1892 in Ermihalyfalva (present Valea lui Mihai), Romania,
d 1944 who was my 1st sousin 2 times removed married Ignac SZEKELLY, b
1885, d 1944. Their daughter was Eva SZEKELLY b. 1922, d 1944. She married
Laci PORGESZ, b 1919, d.1944. They had a daughter Julia PORGESZ, b 1943,
d 1944

I met the name Marton WEISZ several times in different books:

-1. Marton WEISZ who was a baker in Oradea before 1900 who had 6 children.
One of them was Jozsef WEISZ, a very talented violinist, b. 6 March 1899
("Nagyv=E1radi zsidosag t=F6rt=E9nete - by Leitner Zoltan). I have only copies of some pages >from this book. The copy containing info about Jozsef WEISZ is not complete.

- Dr Marton WEISZ , who became on 24 December 1905 the director of the
Jewish hospital in Oradea ("Varadi zsidok" - by T. Mozes)

- Around 1924 it is mentioned a firm "LEDERER and Marton WEISZ Qua=E9" in
the ceramic ware industry ("Varadi zsidok by T. Mozes)

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
susanna.vendel@swipnet.se

----------
Fron: Judy Young and Arthur Drache <jy-abcd@cyberus.ca>
Till: susanna.vendel@swipnet.se
=C4mne: search for Weisz family members
Datum: den 16 augusti 1998 20:44

Dear Susanna,
My name is Tavi Weisz and I am also searching for some details regarind my
ancestors.All I know is that my great-grandfather's name was Marton Weisz
,my great-grandmother's Gizella Weisz (formerly Porgesz)and that one of
their daughters-my grandmother,Anna Weisz was born in Salonta in 1912.
My e-mail address till August 23 rd is : jy-abcd@cyberus.ca or
jyoung@drache.com
After August 23rd my address is : taviweisz@hotmail.com or
murenau@isis.elte.hu .
Hope to hear >from you.
Regards,
Tavi


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: WEISZ family members #general

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

Dear Tavi,

I am posting my answer to the Jewishgen too, in case other researchers are
interested by this information.

I don't have any Marton WEISZ in my family records but the name PORGESZ
appears a 3rd level of relationship. Here is all I know about them:

Cella WEISZ, b ca 1892 in Ermihalyfalva (present Valea lui Mihai), Romania,
d 1944 who was my 1st sousin 2 times removed married Ignac SZEKELLY, b
1885, d 1944. Their daughter was Eva SZEKELLY b. 1922, d 1944. She married
Laci PORGESZ, b 1919, d.1944. They had a daughter Julia PORGESZ, b 1943,
d 1944

I met the name Marton WEISZ several times in different books:

-1. Marton WEISZ who was a baker in Oradea before 1900 who had 6 children.
One of them was Jozsef WEISZ, a very talented violinist, b. 6 March 1899
("Nagyv=E1radi zsidosag t=F6rt=E9nete - by Leitner Zoltan). I have only copies of some pages >from this book. The copy containing info about Jozsef WEISZ is not complete.

- Dr Marton WEISZ , who became on 24 December 1905 the director of the
Jewish hospital in Oradea ("Varadi zsidok" - by T. Mozes)

- Around 1924 it is mentioned a firm "LEDERER and Marton WEISZ Qua=E9" in
the ceramic ware industry ("Varadi zsidok by T. Mozes)

Susanna Vendel, Stockholm
susanna.vendel@swipnet.se

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Fron: Judy Young and Arthur Drache <jy-abcd@cyberus.ca>
Till: susanna.vendel@swipnet.se
=C4mne: search for Weisz family members
Datum: den 16 augusti 1998 20:44

Dear Susanna,
My name is Tavi Weisz and I am also searching for some details regarind my
ancestors.All I know is that my great-grandfather's name was Marton Weisz
,my great-grandmother's Gizella Weisz (formerly Porgesz)and that one of
their daughters-my grandmother,Anna Weisz was born in Salonta in 1912.
My e-mail address till August 23 rd is : jy-abcd@cyberus.ca or
jyoung@drache.com
After August 23rd my address is : taviweisz@hotmail.com or
murenau@isis.elte.hu .
Hope to hear >from you.
Regards,
Tavi