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Askenazi and Sephardi #general

Vivian Salama <salassoc@...>
 

David Leventhal defined the differences between the two branches of
Judaism....where would Mizrahi and Karaite Jews fit into his definition or
are they part of another group?

Vivian Salama
Hillsborough, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Askenazi and Sephardi #general

Vivian Salama <salassoc@...>
 

David Leventhal defined the differences between the two branches of
Judaism....where would Mizrahi and Karaite Jews fit into his definition or
are they part of another group?

Vivian Salama
Hillsborough, CA


LEPAR births in Zeimelis, Lithuania #lithuania

Judith27
 

"The Preamble"
I received 10 birth certificate abstracts this past Tuesday,
August 4, 1998, >from the Lietuvos Centrinis Metriku Archivas via the The
Lithuanian Consulate General in NY. These ten birth certificates seem
to fully cover all the births of children to my mother-in-law's
grandfather, Chaim LEPAR, by his two wives.
My mother-in-law was especially happy with the first birth
record, for it was the 1886 birth of her own mother, Bertha Lepar Backer.
I had tried to find this birth record when I first started researching
about 5-6 years ago, and I sent a request for records in Zeimelis to the
main archives for older records in Vilnius. Unfortunately, I was told at
that time they didn't have any birth records for the years I wanted in
the late 1800's in the Vilnius Archive for old records ~~~ and obviously,
because the records were not archived the way one would have thought
older records would have been handled!!
I probably would never have sent away for these "modern" records
from Zeimelis if it weren't for Barry Mann's recent research last Fall
at YIVO for lists >from Zeimelis. Since several additional LEPAR family
members showed up as living in Zeimelis during the 1920's on the lists
Barry unearthed, I figured it was worth sending in a request for any
LEPAR records the Centrinis Metriku might have for that time frame.
Sometimes our research requests are answered ~~ and then some!!

"The Records"

All these records are "Del gimimo Zeimelis rabinato" -- which I
take to mean something like >from the community under the Rabbinate of
Zeimelis.
This is the complete list of births I was sent in chronological
order:

(Child) (Birthdate) (Father) (Mother)
LEPAR, Pese Brocha 1/30/1886 Chaim Seine (Shaina Reicha)

LEPAR, Beila 10/1/1888 Chaim Seina
LEPAR, Boruch Leiba 4/26/1893 Chaim Seina
LEPAR, Yosel Simche 11/23/1896 Chaim Gene (Hannah)
LEPAR, Seine Raice 4/4/1899 Chaim Gene
LEPAR, Base Libse 9/1/1901 Chaim Gene
LEPAR, Mates Leib 11/10/1902 Chaim Gene
LEPAR, Girs Volf (Tzvi Hirsch) 7/9/1906 Chaim Gene
LEPAR, Zeharje Simson 5/5/1909 Chaim Gene
LEPAR, Bluma Matle 11/25/1913 Chaim Gene

"The Next Step"

I know that Pese (Bertha), Beila (Blanche), and Mates (Martin) all
came to the United States, married, and established families of their
own. I also know that Boruch died as an infant, and Bluma married a
Mann, and moved to Russia.
That, however, only accounts for half of these Lepar offspring. Is
anyone out there is aware of what might have happened to Yossel, Seine,
Base, Girs/Tzvi, or Zeharje Simson Lepar, all of whom were >from Zeimelis?

Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan <Judith27@aol.com>
Long Beach, NY


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania LEPAR births in Zeimelis, Lithuania #lithuania

Judith27
 

"The Preamble"
I received 10 birth certificate abstracts this past Tuesday,
August 4, 1998, >from the Lietuvos Centrinis Metriku Archivas via the The
Lithuanian Consulate General in NY. These ten birth certificates seem
to fully cover all the births of children to my mother-in-law's
grandfather, Chaim LEPAR, by his two wives.
My mother-in-law was especially happy with the first birth
record, for it was the 1886 birth of her own mother, Bertha Lepar Backer.
I had tried to find this birth record when I first started researching
about 5-6 years ago, and I sent a request for records in Zeimelis to the
main archives for older records in Vilnius. Unfortunately, I was told at
that time they didn't have any birth records for the years I wanted in
the late 1800's in the Vilnius Archive for old records ~~~ and obviously,
because the records were not archived the way one would have thought
older records would have been handled!!
I probably would never have sent away for these "modern" records
from Zeimelis if it weren't for Barry Mann's recent research last Fall
at YIVO for lists >from Zeimelis. Since several additional LEPAR family
members showed up as living in Zeimelis during the 1920's on the lists
Barry unearthed, I figured it was worth sending in a request for any
LEPAR records the Centrinis Metriku might have for that time frame.
Sometimes our research requests are answered ~~ and then some!!

"The Records"

All these records are "Del gimimo Zeimelis rabinato" -- which I
take to mean something like >from the community under the Rabbinate of
Zeimelis.
This is the complete list of births I was sent in chronological
order:

(Child) (Birthdate) (Father) (Mother)
LEPAR, Pese Brocha 1/30/1886 Chaim Seine (Shaina Reicha)

LEPAR, Beila 10/1/1888 Chaim Seina
LEPAR, Boruch Leiba 4/26/1893 Chaim Seina
LEPAR, Yosel Simche 11/23/1896 Chaim Gene (Hannah)
LEPAR, Seine Raice 4/4/1899 Chaim Gene
LEPAR, Base Libse 9/1/1901 Chaim Gene
LEPAR, Mates Leib 11/10/1902 Chaim Gene
LEPAR, Girs Volf (Tzvi Hirsch) 7/9/1906 Chaim Gene
LEPAR, Zeharje Simson 5/5/1909 Chaim Gene
LEPAR, Bluma Matle 11/25/1913 Chaim Gene

"The Next Step"

I know that Pese (Bertha), Beila (Blanche), and Mates (Martin) all
came to the United States, married, and established families of their
own. I also know that Boruch died as an infant, and Bluma married a
Mann, and moved to Russia.
That, however, only accounts for half of these Lepar offspring. Is
anyone out there is aware of what might have happened to Yossel, Seine,
Base, Girs/Tzvi, or Zeharje Simson Lepar, all of whom were >from Zeimelis?

Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan <Judith27@aol.com>
Long Beach, NY


STERN/SCHLESINGER/NEUFELD - Hungary 1800's to NYC #hungary

Ruffin R Cooper <rrcooper@...>
 

Searching my grandmother Fannie STERN NEUFELD , b.c. 1870 who
emigrated to Brooklyn NY in 1890/1891 >from Budapest with her
husband William (Vilmos) NEUFELD and died in Brooklyn in 1925.
Her parents were Herman STERN and Amelia SCHLESINGER. Any help
would be appreciated; am happy to share information.

Bob Cooper
rrcooper@erols.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary STERN/SCHLESINGER/NEUFELD - Hungary 1800's to NYC #hungary

Ruffin R Cooper <rrcooper@...>
 

Searching my grandmother Fannie STERN NEUFELD , b.c. 1870 who
emigrated to Brooklyn NY in 1890/1891 >from Budapest with her
husband William (Vilmos) NEUFELD and died in Brooklyn in 1925.
Her parents were Herman STERN and Amelia SCHLESINGER. Any help
would be appreciated; am happy to share information.

Bob Cooper
rrcooper@erols.com


Re: No tombstone for baby? #general

jessika@...
 

David Cainer (Dcainer@perceptions.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: I have searched but cannot find a tombstone.
: Of course he had not yet been circumcised or named.
: I have been told that such a child does not get a full burial
: and that is why he has not got a tombstone.
: Can anyone tell me more about this please?

Last week I was at the Edmonton Jewish Cemetery doing a research
project on tombstones for an Archaeology class. The caretaker was
saying at the EJC, their policy was for the very young babies - still-births, miscarriages, dying within a few days of birth, etc -
all, irrelevent of gender, got a Magen David on the stone (instead
of the traditional Menorah for female graves, Magen David primarily
for Males) to "honour" them (he specifically mentioned it was done
to honour the deceased).

So while I don't know what the *rules* are, the only cemetery I've
actually examined not only gives tombstones to the very young, but
does it in such a way as to consider them very special.

'ka

Jessika Diamond - Edmonton

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: No tombstone for baby? #general

jessika@...
 

David Cainer (Dcainer@perceptions.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: I have searched but cannot find a tombstone.
: Of course he had not yet been circumcised or named.
: I have been told that such a child does not get a full burial
: and that is why he has not got a tombstone.
: Can anyone tell me more about this please?

Last week I was at the Edmonton Jewish Cemetery doing a research
project on tombstones for an Archaeology class. The caretaker was
saying at the EJC, their policy was for the very young babies - still-births, miscarriages, dying within a few days of birth, etc -
all, irrelevent of gender, got a Magen David on the stone (instead
of the traditional Menorah for female graves, Magen David primarily
for Males) to "honour" them (he specifically mentioned it was done
to honour the deceased).

So while I don't know what the *rules* are, the only cemetery I've
actually examined not only gives tombstones to the very young, but
does it in such a way as to consider them very special.

'ka

Jessika Diamond - Edmonton

MODERATOR NOTE: The original message was allowed in
the likelihood that there was an explanation relevant
to the subject of genealogy. However, several messages
had to be rejected because they were straying too far
away >from the main purpose of this Forum (genealogy).
Please continue the discussion privately.
This thread is now closed.


New Zealand Jewish Genealogy #general

Goldschmidt
 

Hallo Friends,
Would like to know if there is a Jewish Genealogy Society in New
Zealand. Thanks and Shalom >from ISRAEL
Joseph Goldschmidt

Researching: NEUGASS, GOLDSCHMIDT, GUMPEL, HOHENSTEIN, ISSERLIN,
MERENLENDER.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New Zealand Jewish Genealogy #general

Goldschmidt
 

Hallo Friends,
Would like to know if there is a Jewish Genealogy Society in New
Zealand. Thanks and Shalom >from ISRAEL
Joseph Goldschmidt

Researching: NEUGASS, GOLDSCHMIDT, GUMPEL, HOHENSTEIN, ISSERLIN,
MERENLENDER.


Re: Identifying a photo #hungary

Margarita <uzidog@...>
 

Thank you very much, Tom!
I'll look at these pages tonight.

Greetings,

Margarita Lackó
Belgrano
uzidog@post1.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Venetianer [mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br]
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 1998 1:50 PM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: *Re: Identifying a photo


Dear Margarita,

Check these sites:

http://www.uniformology.com/index.html

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~phil/

you can also email to:
mailto:rgrasso@inf.unitn.it
a person who specializes in this subject.

regards
Tom

regards
Tom

at 31/07/98 - 18:34 -0300, Margarita wrote:

This person is wearing a uniform. Any experts in this field? Is
there a Web
Page with photographs of Austro-Hungarian uniforms?


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Identifying a photo #hungary

Margarita <uzidog@...>
 

Thank you very much, Tom!
I'll look at these pages tonight.

Greetings,

Margarita Lackó
Belgrano
uzidog@post1.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Venetianer [mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br]
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 1998 1:50 PM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: *Re: Identifying a photo


Dear Margarita,

Check these sites:

http://www.uniformology.com/index.html

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~phil/

you can also email to:
mailto:rgrasso@inf.unitn.it
a person who specializes in this subject.

regards
Tom

regards
Tom

at 31/07/98 - 18:34 -0300, Margarita wrote:

This person is wearing a uniform. Any experts in this field? Is
there a Web
Page with photographs of Austro-Hungarian uniforms?


Definitions of Askenazi and Sepharadi #general

Michel & Renee <mst@...>
 

David Gershon Leventhal wrote:

"Ashkenazi and Sepharadi are the terms used for
Western and Eastern Jews respectively.
Specifically, Ashkenazim are >from Central &
Eastern Europe(and Russja), France, England,
(Scandinavia), and generally the US (a majority of
Jewish immigrants to the US came >from Poland).
Sepharadim (also Hebrew for 'Spaniards'), are from
Africa (Morrocco, Egypt, etc.) and the Middle-East
(Iraq, yemen, etc.)"

My grandfather would have definately disagreed with this definition!!
According to him, the only true Sephardics are those that speak Ladino - the
Jews of Rhodes, Greece, Turkey - the Ottoman Empire. As for Jews from
Morrocco, Yemen, Iraq, etc., unless they spoke Ladino they weren't
Sephardic.

I don't know how he would have categorized them but he was a bit of an
elitist on this point :-). He only associated with people >from the old
country!

Renee Ofner
Tel Aviv

MODERATOR NOTE: Since the original question
has been answered satisfactorily, we can now
close this thread.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Definitions of Askenazi and Sepharadi #general

Michel & Renee <mst@...>
 

David Gershon Leventhal wrote:

"Ashkenazi and Sepharadi are the terms used for
Western and Eastern Jews respectively.
Specifically, Ashkenazim are >from Central &
Eastern Europe(and Russja), France, England,
(Scandinavia), and generally the US (a majority of
Jewish immigrants to the US came >from Poland).
Sepharadim (also Hebrew for 'Spaniards'), are from
Africa (Morrocco, Egypt, etc.) and the Middle-East
(Iraq, yemen, etc.)"

My grandfather would have definately disagreed with this definition!!
According to him, the only true Sephardics are those that speak Ladino - the
Jews of Rhodes, Greece, Turkey - the Ottoman Empire. As for Jews from
Morrocco, Yemen, Iraq, etc., unless they spoke Ladino they weren't
Sephardic.

I don't know how he would have categorized them but he was a bit of an
elitist on this point :-). He only associated with people >from the old
country!

Renee Ofner
Tel Aviv

MODERATOR NOTE: Since the original question
has been answered satisfactorily, we can now
close this thread.


Ashkenazi-Sephardi #general

mildred lester <sim-fie@...>
 

To all of you that responded (and there were many) I am very greatful.
It is the BEST FEELING to know that so many are willing to help and to
share what they know with others.
Mildred Lester


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ashkenazi-Sephardi #general

mildred lester <sim-fie@...>
 

To all of you that responded (and there were many) I am very greatful.
It is the BEST FEELING to know that so many are willing to help and to
share what they know with others.
Mildred Lester


Re: Which Gubernya? #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 04:49:19, ae9h@juno.com (Arthur Eisenberg) 'llowed:

 I'm interested in towns in and around Pinsk....specifically Telechan

 What Gubernya is Pinsk in?? What about Telechan (50 km NNW of Pinsk)??

 Can anybody out there help me??

Pinsk was in Polesie Goberniya, the capital of which was Brest
Litovsk. I can't find Telechan at all.


-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

(Remove "takeout" >from domain; change "sheol" to "stan". Sorry

Researching:
from Lomza Gubernia in Russian Poland: Nowicki, Neimark.
from Dorohoi District in Romania: Hertanu, Abramovici, Lauer.
from Iasi in Romania: Grisaru, Vataru.
See my INTERACTIVE family tree (you need a
Java 1.1.x-enabled browser) at http://www.hashkedim.com.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Which Gubernya? #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 04:49:19, ae9h@juno.com (Arthur Eisenberg) 'llowed:

 I'm interested in towns in and around Pinsk....specifically Telechan

 What Gubernya is Pinsk in?? What about Telechan (50 km NNW of Pinsk)??

 Can anybody out there help me??

Pinsk was in Polesie Goberniya, the capital of which was Brest
Litovsk. I can't find Telechan at all.


-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

(Remove "takeout" >from domain; change "sheol" to "stan". Sorry

Researching:
from Lomza Gubernia in Russian Poland: Nowicki, Neimark.
from Dorohoi District in Romania: Hertanu, Abramovici, Lauer.
from Iasi in Romania: Grisaru, Vataru.
See my INTERACTIVE family tree (you need a
Java 1.1.x-enabled browser) at http://www.hashkedim.com.


Searching SALZMANN/SALTZMAN #general

Stephen Kampf <skampf@...>
 

Wolf (born 1885) SALZMANN and his wife Esther (1887) came to the US in
1913 >from Volin (the name of the town seems to be Cuman), Russia. In the
1920 US census, they were William and Esther SALTZMAN (it seems they
Americanized their names) of NYC along with their three daughters; Lena
(1913), Celia (1915), and Minnie (1918). In 1926 William filed a
"Petition for Naturalization" and listed their newest children; Abe
(1920), Anna (1922), and Samuel (1926). Can anyone give me ideas on how
to find this family?

Stephen Kampf


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching SALZMANN/SALTZMAN #general

Stephen Kampf <skampf@...>
 

Wolf (born 1885) SALZMANN and his wife Esther (1887) came to the US in
1913 >from Volin (the name of the town seems to be Cuman), Russia. In the
1920 US census, they were William and Esther SALTZMAN (it seems they
Americanized their names) of NYC along with their three daughters; Lena
(1913), Celia (1915), and Minnie (1918). In 1926 William filed a
"Petition for Naturalization" and listed their newest children; Abe
(1920), Anna (1922), and Samuel (1926). Can anyone give me ideas on how
to find this family?

Stephen Kampf