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re Ports for Vitebsk #belarus

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Bonnie ? <AZ61BROOK@aol.com>
writes:

Dear JewishGenners,

I am trying to find out which ship, which port, my Ggf NATHAN CHEIFETZ
would have used to leave VITEBSK for the U.S. in 1909. That is the year he
supposedly landed in New York, with his family.

I would like to try to access the CIMORELLI web page that has ship
manifests. When I was last there, I did not know which ships/ports to
concentrate on.

Were there major ship lines that would have been dominant in the "Immigrant
trade"?

--------------
Dear Bonnie,

The answer and the passenger manifest will quickly be found if you start at
the beginning Bonnie and not somewhere in the middle. <grin>

First, read the JewishGen InfoFile FAQ particularly the section on
Passenger Lists which describes the lists available at the National
Archives. You will also see that the National Archives films have been
copied by the Family History Library of the Mormon Church and a local
center closest to where you live is probably the quickest way to find what
you are looking for.

Briefly, the process is to visit the closest Family History Center (FHC) of
the Mormon Church of Later Day Saints.

1. soundex the surname you are searching
2. at the FHC computer select the Family History Library Catalogue, select
Locality Search, type in New York, New York
hit whatever button will designate Search and a page will come up listing
an index of the records the library has....starting with Almanacs I think.
Scroll down to Emigration and Immigration highlight it and ask for a full
display...In there you will find the file that contains the soundex code
you have come up with. Highlight the line, click on Enter (locality
detail) which will tell you which center has that film. It might well be
in the center you're sitting in....if not, order the film and when you get
it, read it on a high magnification reader because what you're looking at
are index cards with the soundex code listing of all the names that fit
under that soundex. This list is alphabetical by *first name* to help you
narrow the search. Bear in mind that what you know as Nathan, may not be
the name your ggrandpa used when he entered the U.S. so you might start
noting every CHEIIFITZ and narrowing >from that point. Case in point: I
never found my father in law Julius Leon SKIDELSKY until I spotted a Fannie
SKIDELSKY and remembering that there was an Aunt Fannie in the family I
looked at that manifest. Julius Leon was on it...but he was Yudel Leib

When you find the right Nathan CHEIFITZ the card will lead you to
accessing the film on which his passenger manifest will appear.
JewishGenalso has an infofile explaining how to interpret the information
on the soundex cards.How to Interpret Passenger Arrival Soundex Online in
the InfoFiles under
Immigration/ Emigration or by email passndx@jewishgen.org

This may sound complicated, but actually it is the orderly step by step
process by which you find the information sought. Hope this helps Bonnie
and all the other beginners who have unfortunately
been led to believe they can do it all by just accessing a website! To the
best of my knowledge (and I'm always open to correction) Cimorelli does
*not* contain passenger manifests, nor are they online at any other site.

Happy to answer any questions this post may generate.

Carol Skydell
JewishGen Support Team


Belarus SIG #Belarus re Ports for Vitebsk #belarus

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Bonnie ? <AZ61BROOK@aol.com>
writes:

Dear JewishGenners,

I am trying to find out which ship, which port, my Ggf NATHAN CHEIFETZ
would have used to leave VITEBSK for the U.S. in 1909. That is the year he
supposedly landed in New York, with his family.

I would like to try to access the CIMORELLI web page that has ship
manifests. When I was last there, I did not know which ships/ports to
concentrate on.

Were there major ship lines that would have been dominant in the "Immigrant
trade"?

--------------
Dear Bonnie,

The answer and the passenger manifest will quickly be found if you start at
the beginning Bonnie and not somewhere in the middle. <grin>

First, read the JewishGen InfoFile FAQ particularly the section on
Passenger Lists which describes the lists available at the National
Archives. You will also see that the National Archives films have been
copied by the Family History Library of the Mormon Church and a local
center closest to where you live is probably the quickest way to find what
you are looking for.

Briefly, the process is to visit the closest Family History Center (FHC) of
the Mormon Church of Later Day Saints.

1. soundex the surname you are searching
2. at the FHC computer select the Family History Library Catalogue, select
Locality Search, type in New York, New York
hit whatever button will designate Search and a page will come up listing
an index of the records the library has....starting with Almanacs I think.
Scroll down to Emigration and Immigration highlight it and ask for a full
display...In there you will find the file that contains the soundex code
you have come up with. Highlight the line, click on Enter (locality
detail) which will tell you which center has that film. It might well be
in the center you're sitting in....if not, order the film and when you get
it, read it on a high magnification reader because what you're looking at
are index cards with the soundex code listing of all the names that fit
under that soundex. This list is alphabetical by *first name* to help you
narrow the search. Bear in mind that what you know as Nathan, may not be
the name your ggrandpa used when he entered the U.S. so you might start
noting every CHEIIFITZ and narrowing >from that point. Case in point: I
never found my father in law Julius Leon SKIDELSKY until I spotted a Fannie
SKIDELSKY and remembering that there was an Aunt Fannie in the family I
looked at that manifest. Julius Leon was on it...but he was Yudel Leib

When you find the right Nathan CHEIFITZ the card will lead you to
accessing the film on which his passenger manifest will appear.
JewishGenalso has an infofile explaining how to interpret the information
on the soundex cards.How to Interpret Passenger Arrival Soundex Online in
the InfoFiles under
Immigration/ Emigration or by email passndx@jewishgen.org

This may sound complicated, but actually it is the orderly step by step
process by which you find the information sought. Hope this helps Bonnie
and all the other beginners who have unfortunately
been led to believe they can do it all by just accessing a website! To the
best of my knowledge (and I'm always open to correction) Cimorelli does
*not* contain passenger manifests, nor are they online at any other site.

Happy to answer any questions this post may generate.

Carol Skydell
JewishGen Support Team


Looking for village of Ushatz #belarus

Zachary Grayson <zgrayson@...>
 

I'm told by my uncle that my grandmother (Chana Henya CHAIKEN) came
from the village of Ushatz. All I know about it is that it was near Borisov,
the town my grandfather (Judah David GARFINKEL or GORFINKEL) came
from. I can't find any town approaching this pronunciation in the area and
I would appreciate any help or sugestions.

Zachary L. Grayson
Cherry Hill, NJ
zgrayson@wolfblock.com

Researching:
CHAIKEN (Ushatz, Belarus; Toronto, Canada; Chicago, IL)
GARFINKEL (Borisov; Toronto; Rochester)
GORFINKEL (Borisov; Toronto; Rochester)
KREVOLIN (Mogilev, New York, Port Chester, New Haven)
BOGDANOFF (New Haven, New York, California)

Moderator's Note: This message is an excellent example of the correct
way to post a message.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Looking for village of Ushatz #belarus

Zachary Grayson <zgrayson@...>
 

I'm told by my uncle that my grandmother (Chana Henya CHAIKEN) came
from the village of Ushatz. All I know about it is that it was near Borisov,
the town my grandfather (Judah David GARFINKEL or GORFINKEL) came
from. I can't find any town approaching this pronunciation in the area and
I would appreciate any help or sugestions.

Zachary L. Grayson
Cherry Hill, NJ
zgrayson@wolfblock.com

Researching:
CHAIKEN (Ushatz, Belarus; Toronto, Canada; Chicago, IL)
GARFINKEL (Borisov; Toronto; Rochester)
GORFINKEL (Borisov; Toronto; Rochester)
KREVOLIN (Mogilev, New York, Port Chester, New Haven)
BOGDANOFF (New Haven, New York, California)

Moderator's Note: This message is an excellent example of the correct
way to post a message.


Departure Ports Leaving Belarus -Reply #belarus

jdropkin@...
 

My grandparents came >from Vitebsk in 1906 and 1908
but they sailed from
Liverpool, England on the S.S.Celtic and Caronia . I
believe the line was
White. Hope that helps.
--------------------------------------reply
To Jan,
Thanks for your response.

To the other learned Jgenners,
Is this common? To travel so far to reach a ship? That
really puts the needle in the haystack!

Thanks,
Bonnie Miller
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I hope I'm not misunderstanding: Bonnie, it seems that
you are trying to find some information without doing
specific family research first.

Doesn't it make sense that our forebears had to get to
the main ports that had ocean-going liners? Those
liners certainly weren't going to smaller ports to pick
them up. There were trains, if one was fortunate, and
horsecart and feet otherwise. And boats. The research
adventure-or headache, depending on how you view
it--is to find out which ports your ancestors left for the
oceanic voyage. Bonnie, if your ancestors came in
through the Port of New York and you know the year,
you can use the Soundex tapes to the Port entries
(available, I'm sure, through NARA and the Family
History Centers) to search for your relatives. The
information in the Soundex tapes (for example, the
exact date of entry and the ship name and line) can
help you find more information on that particular
crossing in the Morton-Allen Directory. That will at
least tell you exact dates and the port >from which your
relatives left and can lead you to your relatives' names
on the ship manifest.

--Jennifer Dropkin
Chicago, Illinois

researching
POLLACK >from Pinsk
FELDMAN >from Pinsk (probably)
DROPKIN >from Krichev and Belarus generally
LINCOFF >from Krichev and Vitebsk and Belarus
generally
KOZLOF probably >from Vitebsk and Belarus generally


Belarus SIG #Belarus Departure Ports Leaving Belarus -Reply #belarus

jdropkin@...
 

My grandparents came >from Vitebsk in 1906 and 1908
but they sailed from
Liverpool, England on the S.S.Celtic and Caronia . I
believe the line was
White. Hope that helps.
--------------------------------------reply
To Jan,
Thanks for your response.

To the other learned Jgenners,
Is this common? To travel so far to reach a ship? That
really puts the needle in the haystack!

Thanks,
Bonnie Miller
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I hope I'm not misunderstanding: Bonnie, it seems that
you are trying to find some information without doing
specific family research first.

Doesn't it make sense that our forebears had to get to
the main ports that had ocean-going liners? Those
liners certainly weren't going to smaller ports to pick
them up. There were trains, if one was fortunate, and
horsecart and feet otherwise. And boats. The research
adventure-or headache, depending on how you view
it--is to find out which ports your ancestors left for the
oceanic voyage. Bonnie, if your ancestors came in
through the Port of New York and you know the year,
you can use the Soundex tapes to the Port entries
(available, I'm sure, through NARA and the Family
History Centers) to search for your relatives. The
information in the Soundex tapes (for example, the
exact date of entry and the ship name and line) can
help you find more information on that particular
crossing in the Morton-Allen Directory. That will at
least tell you exact dates and the port >from which your
relatives left and can lead you to your relatives' names
on the ship manifest.

--Jennifer Dropkin
Chicago, Illinois

researching
POLLACK >from Pinsk
FELDMAN >from Pinsk (probably)
DROPKIN >from Krichev and Belarus generally
LINCOFF >from Krichev and Vitebsk and Belarus
generally
KOZLOF probably >from Vitebsk and Belarus generally


Departure Ports Leaving Belarus -Reply #belarus

Zachary Grayson <zgrayson@...>
 

I don't know if it is common but I believe that my grandfather (Judah
Garfinkel) also traveled >from Liverpool (to Canada).

zgrayson@wolfblock.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Departure Ports Leaving Belarus -Reply #belarus

Zachary Grayson <zgrayson@...>
 

I don't know if it is common but I believe that my grandfather (Judah
Garfinkel) also traveled >from Liverpool (to Canada).

zgrayson@wolfblock.com


Re: Departure Ports Leaving Belarus #belarus

WAlmeleh@...
 

Re: Ships >from Liverpool:

The immigrants usually left >from a German port, such as Hamburg or Bremen and
then changed ships at Liverpool or Southhampton. One of my relatives even came
by way of Glasgow. The point is that the U.S. records show the last ship they
came on to reach the United States, not the ship they originally boarded and
changed from.


Wendy Almeleh
Walmeleh@aol.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Departure Ports Leaving Belarus #belarus

WAlmeleh@...
 

Re: Ships >from Liverpool:

The immigrants usually left >from a German port, such as Hamburg or Bremen and
then changed ships at Liverpool or Southhampton. One of my relatives even came
by way of Glasgow. The point is that the U.S. records show the last ship they
came on to reach the United States, not the ship they originally boarded and
changed from.


Wendy Almeleh
Walmeleh@aol.com


Re: jri-pl digest: August 05, 1998 #poland

EDrezner@...
 

hello
you will find the towns with numbers in LDS jewish film list by connecting on
jewishgen.org/jri-pl/ldskm.htm
good luck to you
Elsa DREZNER
paris france


JRI Poland #Poland Re: jri-pl digest: August 05, 1998 #poland

EDrezner@...
 

hello
you will find the towns with numbers in LDS jewish film list by connecting on
jewishgen.org/jri-pl/ldskm.htm
good luck to you
Elsa DREZNER
paris france


Help Needed in Los Angeles #lithuania

DBH12345
 

The Siauliai Uyezd 1858 Revision List has been translated, and work on the
Vilkomir list is about to begin, followed by the Oshmiany uyezd list. We have placed orders for five more districts.

We need help photocopying of these 8 1/2 X 14 inch uyezd Revision Lists
(altogether several thousand pages long) which are being translated or process for translation in Los Angeles. Copies need to be made to be sent to additional volunteers to assist with translation, and for data entry into the All Lithuania Database. If you are involved in the Siauliai, Vilkomir and Oshmiany Uyezd Research Projects, you should be most interested in helping complete these projects now, but any LitvakSIG member's participation will be appreciated.

If anyone has access to a high quality photocopy machine, possibly one which could be used during the evening or on weekends, please let us know that too. If someone would like to make a tax deductable contribution of a photocopy machine, that would be even better!

We also need local (LA) help with other aspects of these projects.

Please contact me privately, with your local phone number and convenient times to reach you.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Help Needed in Los Angeles #lithuania

DBH12345
 

The Siauliai Uyezd 1858 Revision List has been translated, and work on the
Vilkomir list is about to begin, followed by the Oshmiany uyezd list. We have placed orders for five more districts.

We need help photocopying of these 8 1/2 X 14 inch uyezd Revision Lists
(altogether several thousand pages long) which are being translated or process for translation in Los Angeles. Copies need to be made to be sent to additional volunteers to assist with translation, and for data entry into the All Lithuania Database. If you are involved in the Siauliai, Vilkomir and Oshmiany Uyezd Research Projects, you should be most interested in helping complete these projects now, but any LitvakSIG member's participation will be appreciated.

If anyone has access to a high quality photocopy machine, possibly one which could be used during the evening or on weekends, please let us know that too. If someone would like to make a tax deductable contribution of a photocopy machine, that would be even better!

We also need local (LA) help with other aspects of these projects.

Please contact me privately, with your local phone number and convenient times to reach you.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG


Thekla Nordwind #poland

Simetra@...
 

Dear Thekla:

Thank you for your warning about Pawel B. Dorman and the rip-off. It was most
considerate of you.

Simetra


JRI Poland #Poland Thekla Nordwind #poland

Simetra@...
 

Dear Thekla:

Thank you for your warning about Pawel B. Dorman and the rip-off. It was most
considerate of you.

Simetra


Names of Jews in Czar's army in 1900 #general

malkajef@...
 

Is there anywhere a list that would provide information about Jews who
were in the Czar's army around 1900 and which could provide possibly
additional information about these persons >from their military records?

I am interested in someone >from Belarus who served in the Russian army,
probably in Vitebsk, around 1900 before he "deserted" to come to the US.

Thanks

Jeff Malka <malkajef@orthohelp.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Names of Jews in Czar's army in 1900 #general

malkajef@...
 

Is there anywhere a list that would provide information about Jews who
were in the Czar's army around 1900 and which could provide possibly
additional information about these persons >from their military records?

I am interested in someone >from Belarus who served in the Russian army,
probably in Vitebsk, around 1900 before he "deserted" to come to the US.

Thanks

Jeff Malka <malkajef@orthohelp.com>


Ihumen (near Minsk) and Vitebsk #belarus

malkajef@...
 

Glad to join the Belarus SIG.

I am searching the GELFAND family >from Ihumen (Cherven) 60 kms south of
Minsk and >from Vitebsk.

--
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Jeff Malka <malkajef@orthohelp.com>
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Ihumen (near Minsk) and Vitebsk #belarus

malkajef@...
 

Glad to join the Belarus SIG.

I am searching the GELFAND family >from Ihumen (Cherven) 60 kms south of
Minsk and >from Vitebsk.

--
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Jeff Malka <malkajef@orthohelp.com>
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