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Re: Town of "Korlomp" #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

(Isabel Cymerman Isabelcym@aol.com) wrote on
09 Aug 2016 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

I obtained the SS#5 for an individual born in 1877 who was known to be
Polish. She gives her place of birth as "Korlomp Poland". The town
that sounds most like this comes up as "Kralupy nad Vltavou" but this
is near Prague, Czech Republic. Kralupy seems never to have been in
Poland.
snip...

According to the Jewishgen Gazetteer,
[using the "Sounds Like — Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex" method],
many places in Poland and Russia were called:

"Karolinow", "Charlamovo", "Charlanovo".

At least more probable than "Kralupy"?

Evertjan Hannivoort.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Town of "Korlomp" #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

(Isabel Cymerman Isabelcym@aol.com) wrote on
09 Aug 2016 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

I obtained the SS#5 for an individual born in 1877 who was known to be
Polish. She gives her place of birth as "Korlomp Poland". The town
that sounds most like this comes up as "Kralupy nad Vltavou" but this
is near Prague, Czech Republic. Kralupy seems never to have been in
Poland.
snip...

According to the Jewishgen Gazetteer,
[using the "Sounds Like — Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex" method],
many places in Poland and Russia were called:

"Karolinow", "Charlamovo", "Charlanovo".

At least more probable than "Kralupy"?

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet
(Please change the x'es to dots)
Visit the most beautiful shul of western Europe:
<http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


Registration rules for birth certificates, marriage and death in Poland. #general

vangheluwe.smietan
 

Dear genners,

There are regularly in Poland delays in recording vital events:

Regarding births, the phenomenon is known and readily apparent:
there are sometimes delays of up to 16 years or until child is old
enough to marry. Lack of time due to the paternal work is so often mentioned.
I think there were fines, but I'm not sure: in any case, I know this
one of a child whose birth is declared several years after the event.
Then, his brother was this one who declares his birth, instead of the father
died in the meantime. His brother pretends to be an uncle of the child by
lying about his age and by indicating that he attended childbirth!
This attitude could really be explained by the possibility of a fine.

Regarding deaths, the phenomenon is quite rare, small and rather rural.
The explanation would take the dual need to bury the deceased
(which is not done in secret)and for rare delays to provide for travel
to the city where the event should be saved.

Regarding marriages, I wonder about a religious marriage celebrated in
Warsaw, the first time in December 1936 >from the wedding invitation card
and a second time in February 1939 >from the ad in the newspaper of the
Jewish community. (I do not have the registration of civil marriage.)
The only explanation I see implies the existence of a maximum legal delay
between the religious marriage and the civil marriage. I guess the official
demands that religious marriage is repeated when the engaged couple have been
slow to appear before him to formalize their civil union. I would like
mostly confirmation on this point.

Daniel Vangheluwe, FRANCE


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Registration rules for birth certificates, marriage and death in Poland. #general

vangheluwe.smietan
 

Dear genners,

There are regularly in Poland delays in recording vital events:

Regarding births, the phenomenon is known and readily apparent:
there are sometimes delays of up to 16 years or until child is old
enough to marry. Lack of time due to the paternal work is so often mentioned.
I think there were fines, but I'm not sure: in any case, I know this
one of a child whose birth is declared several years after the event.
Then, his brother was this one who declares his birth, instead of the father
died in the meantime. His brother pretends to be an uncle of the child by
lying about his age and by indicating that he attended childbirth!
This attitude could really be explained by the possibility of a fine.

Regarding deaths, the phenomenon is quite rare, small and rather rural.
The explanation would take the dual need to bury the deceased
(which is not done in secret)and for rare delays to provide for travel
to the city where the event should be saved.

Regarding marriages, I wonder about a religious marriage celebrated in
Warsaw, the first time in December 1936 >from the wedding invitation card
and a second time in February 1939 >from the ad in the newspaper of the
Jewish community. (I do not have the registration of civil marriage.)
The only explanation I see implies the existence of a maximum legal delay
between the religious marriage and the civil marriage. I guess the official
demands that religious marriage is repeated when the engaged couple have been
slow to appear before him to formalize their civil union. I would like
mostly confirmation on this point.

Daniel Vangheluwe, FRANCE


New Genealogy ebook on JGSGB site #latvia

Arlene Beare
 

I have updated my Guide to Jewish genealogy in Latvia and Estonia and it is
now in ebook format. I must stress that this will be of use to researchers
not only >from Latvia and Estonia but elsewhere in Eastern Europe. There is
a brief chapter on Sources in the UK and with one click you can go to the
National Archives. I have a brief Introduction to Genetic Genealogy and one
on Social Media with links to sites with a more detailed explanation. This
is the first ebook published by JGSGB (Jewish Genealogical Society Great
Britain) who will benefit >from the sales. There are a few copies in print
format but we wanted it to be mainly published as an ebook. The second
edition of my Book was in 2006 and many telephone numbers and addresses
of Archives have changed as well as Internet sites and email addresses
which means that the second edition is now out of date. These have all been
updated. There is information on Passports both Internal and External. The
book contains the excellent chapter written by Nick Evans on Emigration
detailing how our Ancestors got to other Countries >from Latvia always
remembering that many Lithuanians may also have sailed >from Libau now
Liepaja.

The URL is
http://shop.jgsgb.org.uk/

The book is listed under featured publications and you can buy it for GBP 5.00.
You will receive am email giving you a username and password to access the
site in the future and another email with download details. The book is in
pdf format and easily navigable.

Arlene Beare UK

On my mother's side >from Lithuania and then Latvia
Dorfman (born Birzai Lithuania and then lived in Riga)
Scher/Blum(born Pandelys Lithuania and then lived in Riga)
Berman (born Lygumai Lithuania and then lived in Jekabpils Latvia)

On my father's side >from Poland
Samuels - Benjamin and brother Joseph
Poland possibly Krakow and Zychlin

MODERATOR NOTE: This is the permitted one-time commercial notice
for a new book of genealogical interest.


Latvia SIG #Latvia New Genealogy ebook on JGSGB site #latvia

Arlene Beare
 

I have updated my Guide to Jewish genealogy in Latvia and Estonia and it is
now in ebook format. I must stress that this will be of use to researchers
not only >from Latvia and Estonia but elsewhere in Eastern Europe. There is
a brief chapter on Sources in the UK and with one click you can go to the
National Archives. I have a brief Introduction to Genetic Genealogy and one
on Social Media with links to sites with a more detailed explanation. This
is the first ebook published by JGSGB (Jewish Genealogical Society Great
Britain) who will benefit >from the sales. There are a few copies in print
format but we wanted it to be mainly published as an ebook. The second
edition of my Book was in 2006 and many telephone numbers and addresses
of Archives have changed as well as Internet sites and email addresses
which means that the second edition is now out of date. These have all been
updated. There is information on Passports both Internal and External. The
book contains the excellent chapter written by Nick Evans on Emigration
detailing how our Ancestors got to other Countries >from Latvia always
remembering that many Lithuanians may also have sailed >from Libau now
Liepaja.

The URL is
http://shop.jgsgb.org.uk/

The book is listed under featured publications and you can buy it for GBP 5.00.
You will receive am email giving you a username and password to access the
site in the future and another email with download details. The book is in
pdf format and easily navigable.

Arlene Beare UK

On my mother's side >from Lithuania and then Latvia
Dorfman (born Birzai Lithuania and then lived in Riga)
Scher/Blum(born Pandelys Lithuania and then lived in Riga)
Berman (born Lygumai Lithuania and then lived in Jekabpils Latvia)

On my father's side >from Poland
Samuels - Benjamin and brother Joseph
Poland possibly Krakow and Zychlin

MODERATOR NOTE: This is the permitted one-time commercial notice
for a new book of genealogical interest.


Bertha STARR / Samuel STARASOLA (STARR) #galicia

Roy Star
 

Is anybody going to the Cemetery at Springfield Gardens, Queens County,
New York? I am trying to determine if Bertha STARR (c.1884 - 29 Jan 1970)
was the second wife of Samuel STAROSOLA (Starr) (1874 Tarnopol - 14
April 1940).

For some reason Samuel appears to be buried at Union Field, 532 South
Orange Ave., Newark. Beth Abraham. New section: Star of Jacob (Row 08,
No. 04L). His father's name was Chaim Wolf STARISSOLER. A relative is
buried nearby: Fryme Feige (Fannie) STARISSOLER (1883 Tarnopol - 25
Jan 1964) at Union Field (Row 03, No. 05L). Are there other members of
the family (maybe different spellings) in the vicinity?

To make things more complicated, Samuel's first wife Chawe Alte (Eva)
STARR (nee Chyglik) (1879 Zbaraz - around 1940s) (father: Mendel
CZIGLIK) has 3 different records showing 3 different cemeteries: Union
Field, Mount Zion and Newark Essex County, NJ, so maybe same named
people are mixed-up here! Any help with either cemetery photos or
paper-work to determine the truth of the matter would be appreciated.

The Bertha STAR with husband Isadore is not who I am looking for.

Many thanks
Roy STAR - London
roystar20@gmail.com

Researching : STARISSOLER (various spellings) - Tarnopol, Zbaraz,
London, New York. CZYGLIK (various spellings) - Galicia, New York.

MODERATOR NOTE: The Springfield Gardens cemetery to which
Roy has referred is Montefiore. Its online database
(http://www.montefiores.com) lists Bertha STAR, who died on 29 Jan
1970, age 82, and is buried on the grounds of Temple Israel of
Rockaway Beach (Block 95, Row 6L, Grave 2). Isidore STAR is buried
beside her (Grave 1). We suggest a call to the cemetery to clarify the
Stars' relationship before making a trip there.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Bertha STARR / Samuel STARASOLA (STARR) #galicia

Roy Star
 

Is anybody going to the Cemetery at Springfield Gardens, Queens County,
New York? I am trying to determine if Bertha STARR (c.1884 - 29 Jan 1970)
was the second wife of Samuel STAROSOLA (Starr) (1874 Tarnopol - 14
April 1940).

For some reason Samuel appears to be buried at Union Field, 532 South
Orange Ave., Newark. Beth Abraham. New section: Star of Jacob (Row 08,
No. 04L). His father's name was Chaim Wolf STARISSOLER. A relative is
buried nearby: Fryme Feige (Fannie) STARISSOLER (1883 Tarnopol - 25
Jan 1964) at Union Field (Row 03, No. 05L). Are there other members of
the family (maybe different spellings) in the vicinity?

To make things more complicated, Samuel's first wife Chawe Alte (Eva)
STARR (nee Chyglik) (1879 Zbaraz - around 1940s) (father: Mendel
CZIGLIK) has 3 different records showing 3 different cemeteries: Union
Field, Mount Zion and Newark Essex County, NJ, so maybe same named
people are mixed-up here! Any help with either cemetery photos or
paper-work to determine the truth of the matter would be appreciated.

The Bertha STAR with husband Isadore is not who I am looking for.

Many thanks
Roy STAR - London
roystar20@gmail.com

Researching : STARISSOLER (various spellings) - Tarnopol, Zbaraz,
London, New York. CZYGLIK (various spellings) - Galicia, New York.

MODERATOR NOTE: The Springfield Gardens cemetery to which
Roy has referred is Montefiore. Its online database
(http://www.montefiores.com) lists Bertha STAR, who died on 29 Jan
1970, age 82, and is buried on the grounds of Temple Israel of
Rockaway Beach (Block 95, Row 6L, Grave 2). Isidore STAR is buried
beside her (Grave 1). We suggest a call to the cemetery to clarify the
Stars' relationship before making a trip there.


News Via Telegraph 100 Years Ago #general

David Goldman
 

As I have mentioned before, I am getting through some old letters written in
Russian by my great-great-grandfather Rabbi Naftali BINDER, who lived in a
town called Mayaki near Odessa to his daughter (my great-grandmother) in
Alberta, Canada.
written on May 29, 1914.

I am trying to figure out how he could have found out about the sinking of a
ship called the Princess of Ireland that sank in St.
Lawrence Seaway with 1000 victims that happened earlier on the same day, May
29, 1914. I had always assumed that news took a week or more to get across
the ocean. And yet many other events that I have found out about in
correspondence >from those days or the late 19th century found their way into
the newspapers long after the events themselves, or even the other way
around, i.e. events in Europe recorded in US or Canadian newspapers.

Have other Jewishgenners had this same incredible encounter about the rapid
transmission of news events in old correspondence between the Old Country
and the US/Canada?

David Goldman
NYC

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen News Via Telegraph 100 Years Ago #general

David Goldman
 

As I have mentioned before, I am getting through some old letters written in
Russian by my great-great-grandfather Rabbi Naftali BINDER, who lived in a
town called Mayaki near Odessa to his daughter (my great-grandmother) in
Alberta, Canada.
written on May 29, 1914.

I am trying to figure out how he could have found out about the sinking of a
ship called the Princess of Ireland that sank in St.
Lawrence Seaway with 1000 victims that happened earlier on the same day, May
29, 1914. I had always assumed that news took a week or more to get across
the ocean. And yet many other events that I have found out about in
correspondence >from those days or the late 19th century found their way into
the newspapers long after the events themselves, or even the other way
around, i.e. events in Europe recorded in US or Canadian newspapers.

Have other Jewishgenners had this same incredible encounter about the rapid
transmission of news events in old correspondence between the Old Country
and the US/Canada?

David Goldman
NYC

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


Why did they marry twice? #general

RICHARD FRIEDMAN
 

I am researching my grandmother`s family and I came across a listing
that shows Reiza KURLIANDCHIK marrying Khaim Iosel BAK twice: once on
October 5, 1898 and the second time on April 18,1900. Both wedding took
place in Panevezys, Lithuania and had the same rabbi. One witness was
the same but the other was different in the second marriage. Both
marriages are recorded separately. Could anyone tell me why they would
have to marry twice since both marriage were performed by a rabbi and
were recorded?

Richard


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Why did they marry twice? #general

RICHARD FRIEDMAN
 

I am researching my grandmother`s family and I came across a listing
that shows Reiza KURLIANDCHIK marrying Khaim Iosel BAK twice: once on
October 5, 1898 and the second time on April 18,1900. Both wedding took
place in Panevezys, Lithuania and had the same rabbi. One witness was
the same but the other was different in the second marriage. Both
marriages are recorded separately. Could anyone tell me why they would
have to marry twice since both marriage were performed by a rabbi and
were recorded?

Richard


Re: Scheuermann Freiburg #germany

Renate Rosenau <renaterosenau@...>
 

David Fischler <finrodfelegund@gmail.com>
askedfor contacts in Freiburg im Breisgau.

For Freiburg research including Scheuermann you can contact
"Stolpersteine fuer Freiburg" , Marlis Meckel: marlis@meckel-fr.de.

Good luck. Renate Rosenau, Alzey, Germany renaterosenau@t-online.de


German SIG #Germany Re: Scheuermann Freiburg #germany

Renate Rosenau <renaterosenau@...>
 

David Fischler <finrodfelegund@gmail.com>
askedfor contacts in Freiburg im Breisgau.

For Freiburg research including Scheuermann you can contact
"Stolpersteine fuer Freiburg" , Marlis Meckel: marlis@meckel-fr.de.

Good luck. Renate Rosenau, Alzey, Germany renaterosenau@t-online.de


Why did they marry twice? #lithuania

RICHARD FRIEDMAN
 

I am researching my grandmother`s family and I came across a listing
that shows Reiza KURLIANDCHIK marrying Khaim Iosel BAK twice: once on
October 5, 1898 and the second time on April 18,1900. Both wedding took
place in Panevezys, Lithuania and had the same rabbi. One witness was
the same but the other was different in the second marriage. Both
marriages are recorded separately. Could anyone tell me why they would
have to marry twice since both marriage were performed by a rabbi and
were recorded?


Rich Friedman
Lakewood, N.J


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Why did they marry twice? #lithuania

RICHARD FRIEDMAN
 

I am researching my grandmother`s family and I came across a listing
that shows Reiza KURLIANDCHIK marrying Khaim Iosel BAK twice: once on
October 5, 1898 and the second time on April 18,1900. Both wedding took
place in Panevezys, Lithuania and had the same rabbi. One witness was
the same but the other was different in the second marriage. Both
marriages are recorded separately. Could anyone tell me why they would
have to marry twice since both marriage were performed by a rabbi and
were recorded?


Rich Friedman
Lakewood, N.J


IAJGS 2016 Seattle #lithuania

Carol Hoffman
 

We welcome all of our Litvak friends to the IAJGS 2016 conference in
Seattle. Our guest speaker, Mrs. Virginija Cijunskiene is here and
will be delivering three lectures. LitvakSIG leadership is here with
board members Judy Baston, Barry Halpern, Phil Shapiro, and Amy Wachs.
Our board member Dorothy Leivers conducted this morning's Suwalki
Guberniya BOF virtually with Facetime. DCs attending include Rhoda
Miller, Amy Wachs, Judy Baston, Max Hefler, Roy Ogus and Jill Anderson
(Jill ably assisted during the busy SHARE Fair yesterday when we
signed up new members and our board member, past president and current
Treasurer Eden Joachim took care of the books back east and responding
immediately to new members who joined yesterday during the SHARE Fair.
It is wonderful to see everyone here! There is a buzz/enthusiasm
around LitvakSIG this year.

Scroll down to the bottom of our home page https://www.litvaksig.org/
where you will see a complete table of LitvakSIG activities during the
week.

Carol Hoffman
LitvakSIG President


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania IAJGS 2016 Seattle #lithuania

Carol Hoffman
 

We welcome all of our Litvak friends to the IAJGS 2016 conference in
Seattle. Our guest speaker, Mrs. Virginija Cijunskiene is here and
will be delivering three lectures. LitvakSIG leadership is here with
board members Judy Baston, Barry Halpern, Phil Shapiro, and Amy Wachs.
Our board member Dorothy Leivers conducted this morning's Suwalki
Guberniya BOF virtually with Facetime. DCs attending include Rhoda
Miller, Amy Wachs, Judy Baston, Max Hefler, Roy Ogus and Jill Anderson
(Jill ably assisted during the busy SHARE Fair yesterday when we
signed up new members and our board member, past president and current
Treasurer Eden Joachim took care of the books back east and responding
immediately to new members who joined yesterday during the SHARE Fair.
It is wonderful to see everyone here! There is a buzz/enthusiasm
around LitvakSIG this year.

Scroll down to the bottom of our home page https://www.litvaksig.org/
where you will see a complete table of LitvakSIG activities during the
week.

Carol Hoffman
LitvakSIG President


Przerosl cemetery video #poland

Hank Mishkoff
 

My fifth cousin Jonathan Misch (a Myszkowski descendant, like me)
visited Przerosl in June and recorded a video in the Jewish Cemetery
there. I've posted the video on the home page of the project to restore
the cemetery, which is at http://www.Przerosl.com/. Just follow that link
and click on the video to view it. It's only 15 minutes long -- and like
many tours of decaying Jewish cemeteries in Europe, it's both sad and
fascinating at the same time.

The cemetery does not appear to have been vandalized, but 75 years of
neglect have left it looking more like a wooded lot than a cemetery.
But having said that: Some headstones are still visible, and some of
those appear to be legible. I say "appear to be" because I don't read ...
Hebrew -- but if you do, and if you have family >from Przerosl, take a
look, the video might hold some pleasant surprises for you.

If you are able to translate any of the more-legible fragments, please
let me know pprivately so as not to clutter up this discussion. Thank you!!

Hank Mishkoff
Hank@WebFeats.com


JRI Poland #Poland Przerosl cemetery video #poland

Hank Mishkoff
 

My fifth cousin Jonathan Misch (a Myszkowski descendant, like me)
visited Przerosl in June and recorded a video in the Jewish Cemetery
there. I've posted the video on the home page of the project to restore
the cemetery, which is at http://www.Przerosl.com/. Just follow that link
and click on the video to view it. It's only 15 minutes long -- and like
many tours of decaying Jewish cemeteries in Europe, it's both sad and
fascinating at the same time.

The cemetery does not appear to have been vandalized, but 75 years of
neglect have left it looking more like a wooded lot than a cemetery.
But having said that: Some headstones are still visible, and some of
those appear to be legible. I say "appear to be" because I don't read ...
Hebrew -- but if you do, and if you have family >from Przerosl, take a
look, the video might hold some pleasant surprises for you.

If you are able to translate any of the more-legible fragments, please
let me know pprivately so as not to clutter up this discussion. Thank you!!

Hank Mishkoff
Hank@WebFeats.com

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