Dear Genners

Some months I posted a message on behalf of a friend in New Zealand
searching for her grandmother Florence Elizabeth KILGOUR's death
certificate. Florence was born in England in 1908 and died in Briarwood,
Queens, New York on 11 September 1972 while on a working holiday. I would
really appreciate it if someone living in New York could check the Queens
New York death index for this individual as the New York City Archives are
unable to locate her death certificate.

Please respond privately.

Best wishes

Rose Raymen
Perth, Western Australia

Dear Genners

Some months I posted a message on behalf of a friend in New Zealand
searching for her grandmother Florence Elizabeth KILGOUR's death
certificate. Florence was born in England in 1908 and died in Briarwood,
Queens, New York on 11 September 1972 while on a working holiday. I would
really appreciate it if someone living in New York could check the Queens
New York death index for this individual as the New York City Archives are
unable to locate her death certificate.

Please respond privately.

Best wishes

Rose Raymen
Perth, Western Australia

Trying to make contact with these families and preserving the updated
family genealogy. David Hollander was father of Meir Hollander father
of Shaga Feiwel Hollander, father-in-law of Y. Edeltuch of Brooklyn.

Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR: Private responses only

Trying to make contact with these families and preserving the updated
family genealogy. David Hollander was father of Meir Hollander father
of Shaga Feiwel Hollander, father-in-law of Y. Edeltuch of Brooklyn.

Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR: Private responses only

Hello
This is the first time I happen to explore the family >from Aram-Tsova
(Haleb) in Syria.
Can anyone give me a brief tutorial, simple and easy?
Is there a database containing searchable records (that is, indexes) of Syria?
Is Syria were vital records? Were census? Would they survive? Where are they?
I'm talking about the years 1880-1925.
Thank you
David Nesher
Israel

Hello
This is the first time I happen to explore the family >from Aram-Tsova
(Haleb) in Syria.
Can anyone give me a brief tutorial, simple and easy?
Is there a database containing searchable records (that is, indexes) of Syria?
Is Syria were vital records? Were census? Would they survive? Where are they?
I'm talking about the years 1880-1925.
Thank you
David Nesher
Israel

Hello,

In the course of researching my BLUM family >from Gebe, Hungary (present
day Nyirkata), I'm seeking to clarify the locations associated with
Rabbi Amram b. Yitzchak Yakov BLUM (1834 - 1907), his siblings and
ancestors. I'm hoping that some of the readers of this posting to
Rav-SIG, H-SIG, Rom-SIG and JewishGen (please forgive the cross-posting)
will be able to assist.

The published sources that I've been able to consult--Magyar Zsido
Lexicon, as well as various online family trees--have Rabbi Amram's
place of birth as Samson, Hungary (present day Hajdusamson). His father
Yitzchak Yakov is also referred to as the 'Shamshon Rav' and the Pinkas
Hakehillot entry for Hajdusamson
(http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/pinkas_hungary/hun270.html) states that
he was a Rabbi there but doesn't provide specifics. The Zsido Mult
website
(http://hajdu.zsidomult.hu/index.php/elveszett-koezoessegek/koezponti-jaras/hajdusamson)
[or http://tinyurl.com/jl4fkjh --Mod]
states that he served there until his death in 1851, but since I don't
know Hungarian it's unclear to me when he started; however, the
information at this website
(http://www.virtualjudaica.com/Item/19407/Responsa_Maharaf) about Rabbi
Aharon FRIED states that he served as the rabbi of Hajdusamson >from 1844 -
1860. There is a Karoly Fried listed in Samson in the 1848 Census, but no
details fit other than his birth year.

The research that I've been able to conduct in the primary sources indexed
in the JewishGen Hungary database state that Rabbi Amram (secular name
Abraham), his brother Rabbi Moshe (Moricz) and sister Hava (Eva) were all
born in Nagykaroly (present day Carei, Romania)--see the 1869 Hungarian
Census entry for Mad, Hungary. Additionally, the Encyclopedia Judaica
entry for Amram states that "He studied under his father, who was head of
the bet din in Nagykaroly, and later in the seminaries of Nagykaroly
[under Rabbi Meir Perles], and of Abraham Samuel Benjamin Sofer, rabbi of
Pressburg."

I'm new to rabbinic genealogy, but I'm surprised that there isn't more
information readily available about Amram's father if he indeed was ABD
of Nagykaroly which was an important town at that time and one of the
oldest Jewish communities in Hungary / Transylvania. In addition to the
1869 Census entry, I believe I can substantiate that the family was in
Nagykaroly starting in at least the 1820s as I found an entry for
Yitzchak Yakov's father Levi BLUM in the 1828 Hungarian Property Tax
Census.

According to Yitzchak Yakov's family tree on Geni, his first marriage
was to a STERNBERG who I believe was Rabbi Bernard (Dov Ber) STERNBERG's
daughter and whose other daughter married Rabbi Shimon SOFER (son of
Chatam Sofer). His second marriage was to Miriam ROSENBAUM, daughter of
Rabbi Amram Chassida ROSENBAUM. My limited understanding of rabbinical
marriages leads me to believe that Yitzchak Yakov must have been a fairly
well-known and respected rabbi in his time to have merited matches with
other prominent families, and would align with him being ABD Nagykaroly.

Other than the Encyclopedia Judaica entry though, I can find no other
mention of Yitzchak Yakov as a rabbi in Nagykaroly. According to the
timeline I've been able to piece together >from various sources, Rabbi
Moshe Aryeh b. Mayer Yehuda OSTREICHER served >from 1774 to his death in
1820, followed by Rabbi Isaac b. Asher Uri Lippmann FRANKEL >from 1820 to
his death in 1834, followed by Rabbi Meir b. Isaac Moses PERLES >from 1834
to his death in 1893. However, the book "Wine and Thorns in the Tokay
Valley..." states that Rabbi FRANKEL died on October 10, 1825 which I
would tend to believe since it appears to be well-sourced. That
discrepancy could align with Rabbi BLUM serving at that time, or perhaps
others were considered the chief rabbi while he was ABD?

So, the association with Nagykaroly seems to be well established. What
I'm trying to clarify is the association with Hajdusamson, particularly
in the late 1700s and early 1800s. The later association (i.e. after
1850) seems to be more clear, either with Yitzchak Yakov dying there
and/or Amram serving there in his early career. Amram's son-in-law
Rabbi Yosef Zvi SOFER served there as did his son-in-law Rabbi Gavriel
(Gabor) ILLIOVICS.

The key seems to be finding more information about Yitzhak Yakov and his
father Levi / Lebi. I wonder whether his father was a rabbi, or if not
clearly was wealthy enough to have owned property in Nagykaroly. I'm
hoping that some subscribers will have access to other sources (e.g.
Hakhme Hungaryah and Hakhme Transilvanyah by Yitshak Yosef Kohen,
Toledot Geonei Hagar and Shem ha-Gedolim me-Erets Hagar by Schwartz, or
Rabbi Blum's own works) that may have more information on them.

I speculate, but hope to more definitively establish, that Yitzchak
Yakov was born in Hajdusamson and possibly his father Levi as well.
Unfortunately, I've been unable to locate them in the 1848 Hungarian
Jewish Census records that have been indexed in the JewishGen Hungary
database which could have provided the birthplace. Although there are
no fixed surnames, there are likely candidates in the early 1770 census
indexes due to the given names and frequency of those names in later
BLUM family records.

My apologies for the long note, but I tried to make it as succinct as
possible while including all the information I've found.

Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL

WOROSHILSKY - Bialystok area, Poland
GOLDBERG, KATZ - Dabrowa Bialostocka, Poland
ZLOTNIK, RZEZNIK - Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki, Zakroczym, and Nasielsk, Poland
SCHAPIRA - Jagielnica and Horodenka, Ukraine
BLUMENTHAL, KANTOR - Borshchiv, Husiatyn and Horodenka, Ukraine
BLUM, KATZ, MARTON, LIEBERMANN, ELKOVITS, VAISZ, SAMUEL - Salaj,
Satu Mare, and Maramures Counties, Romania

Trying to make contact with these families and preserving the updated
family genealogy. David Hollander was father of Meir Hollander father
of Shaga Feiwel Hollander, father-in-law of Y. Edeltuch of Brooklyn.

--
Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send contact information privately.

Hello,

In the course of researching my BLUM family >from Gebe, Hungary (present
day Nyirkata), I'm seeking to clarify the locations associated with
Rabbi Amram b. Yitzchak Yakov BLUM (1834 - 1907), his siblings and
ancestors. I'm hoping that some of the readers of this posting to
Rav-SIG, H-SIG, Rom-SIG and JewishGen (please forgive the cross-posting)
will be able to assist.

The published sources that I've been able to consult--Magyar Zsido
Lexicon, as well as various online family trees--have Rabbi Amram's
place of birth as Samson, Hungary (present day Hajdusamson). His father
Yitzchak Yakov is also referred to as the 'Shamshon Rav' and the Pinkas
Hakehillot entry for Hajdusamson
(http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/pinkas_hungary/hun270.html) states that
he was a Rabbi there but doesn't provide specifics. The Zsido Mult
website
(http://hajdu.zsidomult.hu/index.php/elveszett-koezoessegek/koezponti-jaras/hajdusamson)
[or http://tinyurl.com/jl4fkjh --Mod]
states that he served there until his death in 1851, but since I don't
know Hungarian it's unclear to me when he started; however, the
information at this website
(http://www.virtualjudaica.com/Item/19407/Responsa_Maharaf) about Rabbi
Aharon FRIED states that he served as the rabbi of Hajdusamson >from 1844 -
1860. There is a Karoly Fried listed in Samson in the 1848 Census, but no
details fit other than his birth year.

The research that I've been able to conduct in the primary sources indexed
in the JewishGen Hungary database state that Rabbi Amram (secular name
Abraham), his brother Rabbi Moshe (Moricz) and sister Hava (Eva) were all
born in Nagykaroly (present day Carei, Romania)--see the 1869 Hungarian
Census entry for Mad, Hungary. Additionally, the Encyclopedia Judaica
entry for Amram states that "He studied under his father, who was head of
the bet din in Nagykaroly, and later in the seminaries of Nagykaroly
[under Rabbi Meir Perles], and of Abraham Samuel Benjamin Sofer, rabbi of
Pressburg."

I'm new to rabbinic genealogy, but I'm surprised that there isn't more
information readily available about Amram's father if he indeed was ABD
of Nagykaroly which was an important town at that time and one of the
oldest Jewish communities in Hungary / Transylvania. In addition to the
1869 Census entry, I believe I can substantiate that the family was in
Nagykaroly starting in at least the 1820s as I found an entry for
Yitzchak Yakov's father Levi BLUM in the 1828 Hungarian Property Tax
Census.

According to Yitzchak Yakov's family tree on Geni, his first marriage
was to a STERNBERG who I believe was Rabbi Bernard (Dov Ber) STERNBERG's
daughter and whose other daughter married Rabbi Shimon SOFER (son of
Chatam Sofer). His second marriage was to Miriam ROSENBAUM, daughter of
Rabbi Amram Chassida ROSENBAUM. My limited understanding of rabbinical
marriages leads me to believe that Yitzchak Yakov must have been a fairly
well-known and respected rabbi in his time to have merited matches with
other prominent families, and would align with him being ABD Nagykaroly.

Other than the Encyclopedia Judaica entry though, I can find no other
mention of Yitzchak Yakov as a rabbi in Nagykaroly. According to the
timeline I've been able to piece together >from various sources, Rabbi
Moshe Aryeh b. Mayer Yehuda OSTREICHER served >from 1774 to his death in
1820, followed by Rabbi Isaac b. Asher Uri Lippmann FRANKEL >from 1820 to
his death in 1834, followed by Rabbi Meir b. Isaac Moses PERLES >from 1834
to his death in 1893. However, the book "Wine and Thorns in the Tokay
Valley..." states that Rabbi FRANKEL died on October 10, 1825 which I
would tend to believe since it appears to be well-sourced. That
discrepancy could align with Rabbi BLUM serving at that time, or perhaps
others were considered the chief rabbi while he was ABD?

So, the association with Nagykaroly seems to be well established. What
I'm trying to clarify is the association with Hajdusamson, particularly
in the late 1700s and early 1800s. The later association (i.e. after
1850) seems to be more clear, either with Yitzchak Yakov dying there
and/or Amram serving there in his early career. Amram's son-in-law
Rabbi Yosef Zvi SOFER served there as did his son-in-law Rabbi Gavriel
(Gabor) ILLIOVICS.

The key seems to be finding more information about Yitzhak Yakov and his
father Levi / Lebi. I wonder whether his father was a rabbi, or if not
clearly was wealthy enough to have owned property in Nagykaroly. I'm
hoping that some subscribers will have access to other sources (e.g.
Hakhme Hungaryah and Hakhme Transilvanyah by Yitshak Yosef Kohen,
Toledot Geonei Hagar and Shem ha-Gedolim me-Erets Hagar by Schwartz, or
Rabbi Blum's own works) that may have more information on them.

I speculate, but hope to more definitively establish, that Yitzchak
Yakov was born in Hajdusamson and possibly his father Levi as well.
Unfortunately, I've been unable to locate them in the 1848 Hungarian
Jewish Census records that have been indexed in the JewishGen Hungary
database which could have provided the birthplace. Although there are
no fixed surnames, there are likely candidates in the early 1770 census
indexes due to the given names and frequency of those names in later
BLUM family records.

My apologies for the long note, but I tried to make it as succinct as
possible while including all the information I've found.

Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL

WOROSHILSKY - Bialystok area, Poland
GOLDBERG, KATZ - Dabrowa Bialostocka, Poland
ZLOTNIK, RZEZNIK - Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki, Zakroczym, and Nasielsk, Poland
SCHAPIRA - Jagielnica and Horodenka, Ukraine
BLUMENTHAL, KANTOR - Borshchiv, Husiatyn and Horodenka, Ukraine
BLUM, KATZ, MARTON, LIEBERMANN, ELKOVITS, VAISZ, SAMUEL - Salaj,
Satu Mare, and Maramures Counties, Romania

Trying to make contact with these families and preserving the updated
family genealogy. David Hollander was father of Meir Hollander father
of Shaga Feiwel Hollander, father-in-law of Y. Edeltuch of Brooklyn.

--
Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send contact information privately.

An enterprising coder, Dan Vanderkam collaborated with the New York Public
Library to create a Google Street View map for New York City in the late
1800's and early 1900s. This was achieved by plotting all the old photos

from the Photographic Views of New York City, 1870s-1970s collection on an

interactive map. See: http://tinyurl.com/kgjmo63
Original url:

http://digitalcollections.nypl.org/collections/photographic-views-of-new-york-city-1870s-1970s-from-the-collections-of-the-ne-2#/?tab=about

The project, OldNYC, https://www.oldnyc.org/ lets you browse 19th century
New York. The collection has over 80,000 old photographs.

Thank you to Les Kelman for sharing the information with us.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

An enterprising coder, Dan Vanderkam collaborated with the New York Public
Library to create a Google Street View map for New York City in the late
1800's and early 1900s. This was achieved by plotting all the old photos

from the Photographic Views of New York City, 1870s-1970s collection on an

interactive map. See: http://tinyurl.com/kgjmo63
Original url:

http://digitalcollections.nypl.org/collections/photographic-views-of-new-york-city-1870s-1970s-from-the-collections-of-the-ne-2#/?tab=about

The project, OldNYC, https://www.oldnyc.org/ lets you browse 19th century
New York. The collection has over 80,000 old photographs.

Thank you to Les Kelman for sharing the information with us.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

Shalom
I'm looking for Gad Trobitz, he traveled to Brazil in 1912, then joined his wife
Esther. She died there in 1946, and he returned to Israel. I am looking for
information about them in Brazil. There is such a thing registrations entry /
Immigration to Brazil? There is access to them? There is it databases?
Thank you
David Nesher
Israel

Shalom
I'm looking for Gad Trobitz, he traveled to Brazil in 1912, then joined his wife
Esther. She died there in 1946, and he returned to Israel. I am looking for
information about them in Brazil. There is such a thing registrations entry /
Immigration to Brazil? There is access to them? There is it databases?
Thank you
David Nesher
Israel

Hello Genners,
I am researching a distant relative who first appears in the New York
City phone directory in 1949. I am trying to establish an exact
timeline of her life. Does anyone know when exactly during the course
of each year the directories were updated and how closely they reflect
the date of a person's move. For example, if Ethel was in the 1949
directory, does that mean she had probably moved to NYC in 1948?

Thanks for any light you can shed on this.
David Laskin, Seattle, WA

Hello Genners,
I am researching a distant relative who first appears in the New York
City phone directory in 1949. I am trying to establish an exact
timeline of her life. Does anyone know when exactly during the course
of each year the directories were updated and how closely they reflect
the date of a person's move. For example, if Ethel was in the 1949
directory, does that mean she had probably moved to NYC in 1948?

Thanks for any light you can shed on this.
David Laskin, Seattle, WA

I forgot to mention something. On the 1930 census, that Rose was 50 years old (b.
abt 1880) and on the 1940 census, thats Rose was 63 (b. abt 1877).

Shelley Mitchell

I forgot to mention something. On the 1930 census, that Rose was 50 years old (b.
abt 1880) and on the 1940 census, thats Rose was 63 (b. abt 1877).

Shelley Mitchell

In the JewishGen infofile on passenger manifest markings in the occupation column
(http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Manifests/occ/), it is stated that the
naturalization verification markings start with the district number (one or two
digits) followed by the application number (most commonly six digits). I am finding
that this longer number is usually, or maybe always, the certificate of arrival
number, not the application number. I could provide any number of examples. I
have yet to find one that I can verify as an application number, at least as far as
the New York City area. If anyone can provide an example where the notation is
definitely an application number, I would like to know about it.

Russ Maurer
Pepper Pike, OH

In the JewishGen infofile on passenger manifest markings in the occupation column
(http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Manifests/occ/), it is stated that the
naturalization verification markings start with the district number (one or two
digits) followed by the application number (most commonly six digits). I am finding
that this longer number is usually, or maybe always, the certificate of arrival
number, not the application number. I could provide any number of examples. I
have yet to find one that I can verify as an application number, at least as far as
the New York City area. If anyone can provide an example where the notation is
definitely an application number, I would like to know about it.

Russ Maurer
Pepper Pike, OH