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Re: families left out of 1793 Czech Jewish census #austria-czech #general

Vivian Kahn
 

Czechoslovakia didn't exist in 1793. Are you asking about an area that was in Bohemia or Moravia?

Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California
Researching families including:
BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/GROSZ. Avas Ujvaros, Hungary/Orasu Nou, Romania
KAHAN/JOSIPOVITS/DUB, Sziget, Kabolacsarda, Nagyvarad, Hungary/Sighet, Ciarda, Oradea, Romania
KOHN/Zbegnyo/ Zbehnov, Tarnoka/Trnavka, Slovakia; Cleveland  LEFKOVITS/Kolbasa/Brezina, Slovakia
MOSKOVITS/Honkocz, Szobranc, Osztro, Kassa, Hungary/Chonkovce, Sobrance, Ostrov, Kosice, Slov., Nyiregyhaza, Hungary
ELOVITS/Hornya, Hungary/Horna, Slovakia
NEUMANN/Szeretva, Kereszt, Nagymihaly, Miskolc, Hung./Sobrance, Kristy, Stretavka, Michalovce, Slov. 
POLACSEK/Hunfalu, Hungary/Huncovce, Slovakia
SPITZ/Nikolsburg/Mikulov, Prosnitz/Prostejov, Moravia/Czech Republic; Kismarton/Eisenstadt, Hungary/Austria; Hunfalu,Hungary//Huncovce, Slovakia


Re: Excellent lecture series from The Holocaust Exhibition and Learning Centre #holocaust

Michael Sharp
 

I was the source of the original posting as I volunteer at the Centre. It is the first Holocaust educational institution / memorial in the north of England and is the only one based on a university campus. It focuses on telling the story of the Holocaust and its lessons for life today through the experiences of 16 survivors and the operational philosophy is survivor-driven, making us unique in the UK. Although hosted by the university we are not part of it but are a small independent charity. Please do support us by joining us in the talks and if you are in the area, please do visit us - our opening times are on our website and are updated top reflect coronavirus-related restrictions.

Finally, this week marks the sad loss of our founding chair and the driving force behind the Centre, Lilian Black BEM - honoured in the latest Queen's Birthday Honours for services to Holocaust education. She died this week from coronavirus, before she could be formally awarded her honour. May her memory be a blessing.
--
Michael Sharp
Manchester UK
michael.sharp@...


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

Cheryl Lynn Blum
 

My great-aunt, (by marriage to my great-uncle - and what a thrill it was to find them after thinking they had died in the Shoah) was named Chasye. The diminutive would have been Chaseleh. 
 
They came from Bystritsa in Vilna (Lithuania/Belarus). 
 
Cheryl Lynn Blum 
New York. 

 


Re: Reclaim The Records is going after EVERY SINGLE DIGITIZED RECORD at the New York City Municipal Archives, to put them all online, for free public use #usa #records

Barbara Kenzer
 

I would be very happy to volunteer in any way I can for making what should have been public for a long time. My family was from New York
Barbara Kenzer 
Chicago


Re: Looking for tombstone to take pictures at Har Hazeitim cemetery, Mount Olives, Jerusalem, Israel #israel #photographs

viviansilco@...
 



try their site https://mountofolives.co.il/en/search-grave/#gsc.tab=0
Success,
Vivian Silbermann Cohen


Re: Reclaim The Records is going after EVERY SINGLE DIGITIZED RECORD at the New York City Municipal Archives, to put them all online, for free public use #usa #records

Jane Foss
 

I strongly support this effort and tho I cant afford a donation of money I'd be happy to donate time as a volunteer in data entry or whatever is needed that I'd be capable of doing......

.jane lowenkron foss
 


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

rv Kaplan
 

I know about immigrants having a number of first names, potentially.  My great great grandfather from Josvainiai, Lithuania was Tzvi ben Yisroel Fayn.  In the 1874 Revision List for Josvainiai, he is listed as Girsh, which is really Hirsch (diminutive is Herschel).  In Scotland, he became Harry.

Writing in a letter, he is speaking about his granddaughter in Glasgow - and at that time he only had 2 local granddaughters, Ray and Dora - both born in Glasgow.  Chana is not a name I have seen in this family, but it's possible Ray or Dora had Chana or Chasha as a middle name and that's what he called her.  What's strange is that no one else has ever mentioned that name and no document I have seen mentions a middle name.

Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 11:34, Marcel Apsel <marcap@...> wrote:

I don’t agree that Chasele is a diminutive of Chana; it should be Chanele or we should have somebody who has problems to pronounce an n; another very doubtful explanation might be that there were two girls named Channa and to differentiate both of them, one might be called Chanele and the other one Chasele.  But basically Chasele (little Chasya) is not a diminutive for Chana, but well for Chasya, a first name mainly used in very religious circles.   My neighbor’s daughter is called Chassie, another diminutive of Chasya.

 

 

Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium


Re: Geni Family Trees #general

N. ARONSON
 

I use Geni extensively and, despite the many mistakes, find it an incredible source of information.
What makes use difficult is the fact that there doesn't seem to be an agreed way how to enter details and because of that anyone just does it the way they feel correct.
In particular what disturbs me is the fact that many people enter someone's wife with the surname of her husband rather than her maiden name. In order to find the maiden name one would have to hoover over her name and find her father's name. Quite annoying. Can the curators do something about that?

N. Aronson
Manchester UK


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

ryabinkym@...
 

It most possible is a Hashe (Khashe).  In Russian language they used so called "Diminutive" form: Hashele, Moishele, Sorele, most for a little baby or saying with love.

Michael Ryabinky


Re: Geni Family Trees #general

Joyaa Antares
 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 05:34 PM, E. Randol Schoenberg wrote:
Look, for example, at the tree of the Maharal of Prague.  There are still some issues, but we have tried to eliminate much of the apocryphal ancestry that you will find on most other sites, based on recent scholarship.

Hi Randy,

I have taken a look at the page - thanks. 
[https://www.geni.com/people/MaHaRaL-of-Prague-%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%94%D7%A8-%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%92/6000000002236005169]

I can see that there are 115 managers and one curator.

Why is it that under the "sources" tab, no sources are listed?  This seems completely at odds with claims you have made on the concurrent thread about Geni trees, (for example, "Aubrey, let me know where I can see a superior genealogical tree to what we have on Geni. Many of us who know much more about genealogy than you do").

It is not my intent to be oppositional.  It is simply that the evidence doesn't appear to support your claim.

Thank you, Joyaa

Joyaa ANTARES, Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

rv Kaplan
 

Thanks Marcel - could be - and yes, I remember you from Warsaw!
 
Harvey Kaplan

On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 00:40, Marcel Apsel <marcap@...> wrote:

Harvey,

 

It might be a diminutive of Chasya

 

Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium

 

If you don’t remember me, I think we had together Friday night dinner in 2018 at the Warsaw Seminar together with Bill Gladstone.

 

Marcel

 

 


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

Marcel Apsel
 

Never heard that name before  and I am Dutch speaking.   But in the Netherlands you find sometimes names based on very local traditions.  I can learn every day.

 

Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium

 

 


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

rv Kaplan
 

Thanks, but nothing to suggest any Dutch connection - just coincidence.
 
Harvey Kaplan

On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 07:57, David Barrett <david@...> wrote:

Whilst the question implies that Chashele is a Lithuanian  derivative there is a Dutch name I believe Hashele  which means 'little egg'

Could there be any connection?

Regards

David Barrett

 

 


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

rv Kaplan
 

Thanks

Makes me think that my great aunt Ray/Rachel may have had Chasha as a middle name in Hebrew and been called that as a child. No one around now to ask.

Harvey Kaplan

On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 00:40, Jules Feldman <jfeldman@...> wrote:
There is a Hebrew name Chasha which exists among the ultra-Orthodox in
Jerusalem

Chashele is a diminutive form of the name.

Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

Marcel Apsel
 

I don’t agree that Chasele is a diminutive of Chana; it should be Chanele or we should have somebody who has problems to pronounce an n; another very doubtful explanation might be that there were two girls named Channa and to differentiate both of them, one might be called Chanele and the other one Chasele.  But basically Chasele (little Chasya) is not a diminutive for Chana, but well for Chasya, a first name mainly used in very religious circles.   My neighbor’s daughter is called Chassie, another diminutive of Chasya.

 

 

Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

Marcel Apsel
 

Don’t forget that Jewish children from the 19th century onwards had gentile names for civilian authorities and Jewish names for internal Jewish communal use and for boys especially a necessary name needed to be called for a Thora blessing.

Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe who did not have specific gentile names start to use them when immigrating to the US.  Examples who are not always the same:  Mordechai can become Max, Gittel can become Gussie, Rivka can become Rebecca, Rose,  Schmiel became Sam and the classical Sean Ferguson was originating from Russia with a family name something like Forgatson (don’t catch me if this name is a little bit different), but the ‘Shoyn fergessen’ – (I forgot) was a classical Jewish joke in the 1930s.

On the other hand it often happens that people had two different first names and we see this in the files of JRI-Poland where once a mother is called Malka, a second time Channa and another time Channa Malka.   And all 3 versions of those first names were used.  So I won’t wonder if that person would use the name Annie for Channa and Regina for Malka for different purposes in the US.

 

Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

Marcel Apsel
 

A diminutive of Channa should be Cahnele.

 

Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium


GenTeam Adds 500,000 New Records Online #announcements #austria-czech #germany #records #slovakia

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

GenTeam has placed 500,000 new records online. There are approximately 21.2 million records online in total.  Go to:  https://www.genteam.eu/   You need to register in order to access the records,  but access to all data is free.

 

If you are unsure about the exact spelling of the name of a person or a location, you can also enter partial names in all of GenTeam’s databases. Enter only the part you are sure about. The autocomplete function is an easy solution to solving the problem of variations in orthography!

 

Summary of the information available on GenTeam:

 

Complete gazetteer of Austria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia and South Tyrol with parish affiliations, archival districts and links to the archives   Data from Vienna, Lower Austria, Upper Austria, Burgenland, Salzburg, Tyrol, Styria, Carinthia, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia, Silesia, Slovakia, Slovenia and Germany.

 

Those that are of particular interest to those researching Jewish roots are:

 

Verlustliste – Casualty list WW1, where also the Jewish soldiers are included (but not named as Jewish –not certain about how many Jews are included)

 

Vienna – civil marriages – this is a source more for Jewish than for non-Jewish

 

Vienna – baptisms – about 150 entries of baptized Jews.

 

 

1.                 Military: Austro-Hungarian casualty lists 1914-1919  Already 2.2 million records

 

The casualty lists enumerate the wounded and killed soldiers as well as the prisoners of war of all Crown Lands of the Habsburg monarchy. In their entirety, these lists will hold approximately 3 to 3.5 million names. They include officers and one-year volunteers, but also subordinated military personnel of all denominations, including Jewish, Muslim and Protestant soldiers.

 

Besides many lists that have already been entered fully, among them the casualties of Przemysl 1915 as well as supplemental lists, a great number of partial lists are also online. In addition, work is in progress for many more.

 

Several collaborators of this project prefer to remain unnamed. I would therefore like to sincerely thank all those who have contributed to this important database, all those who are already working on further lists, as well as Frank Raschka for managing this project.

If you would like to participate in this project please contact: project manager Frank Raschka at verlustliste@... or kontakt@.... They will then send you a sample entry table and assign you a list number.

        2Vienna: Civil marriages and civil registry offices 1870-1939

Records that have been added: Civil marriages of the years 1934-1938 (volumes 55-59), civil marriages from the special civil registry office for August to December 1938, an index to the files of the non-Arian civil registry office from August to December 1938, as well as records from the civil registry office Leopoldstadt for the year 1939.

  1. Vienna – Roman Catholic baptisms 1595- 1920

Records have been added for the parishes of 06 Gumpendorf, 08 Alservorstadt Pfarre, 08 Gebäranstalt     (Alservorstadt Krankenhaus), 09 Votivkirche, 12 Meidling, 13 Maria Hietzing, 15 Reindorf, 18 Währing and  20 Sankt Brigitta.                                                                                                                                                                       The numbers indicate the respective district of Vienna.

  1. Vienna – Roman Catholic marriages 1542- 1938  Already more than 1 million records online!

Records have been added for the parishes of 01 Sankt Stephan and 16 Altottakring. Already more than 2,1     

  1. Vienna: Roman Catholic burials 1600-1938

Records have been added for the parishes of 02 St. Johann Nepomuk and 09 Votivkirche.

  1. Seigniorial indices

 

Records have been added for the estates of Asparn, Walterskirchen, Staatz and Pernegg, all of them in Lower Austria.

 

  1. Indices of Roman Catholic church registers for Burgenland, Lower Austria, Upper Austria, Salzburg,   

 Styria, Tyrol, Moravia and Germany  1538-1938

 

Burgenland

Dörfl, Rattersdorf, Steinberg, Unterrabnitz

 Lower Austria

Ardagger Markt, Ardagger Stift, Eibesthal, Furth an der Triesting, Kollmitzberg, Neudorf bei Staatz, Ringelsdorf, Sallingberg, Sankt Valentin-Landschach, Sindelburg, Stockerau, Trattenbach, Würmla, Zistersdorf, Zwettl Stift

 Upper Austria

Gallneukirchen

 Salzburg

Werfenweng

 Styria

Graz-Don Bosco, Graz-Graben, Graz-Münzgraben, Graz-St. Vinzenz, Übelbach

 Tyrol

Navis, Sankt Jodok am Brenner, Tux

 Moravia

Kutscherau/Kucerov, Stallek/Stalky

 Germany

Gemen

 Jan Meisels Allen                                                                                                                                                                           Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

David Barrett
 

Whilst the question implies that Chashele is a Lithuanian  derivative there is a Dutch name I believe Hashele  which means 'little egg'

Could there be any connection?

Regards

David Barrett


Re: given name Chashele #latvia #names

sharon yampell
 

My great great grandfather’s sister in law was named Chashe; looks like a diminutive of that…

 

Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, NJ  USA

GenealogicalGenie@...

 

From: Sally Bruckheimer via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 8:42 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] given name Chashele #latvia #names

 

My first thought was that Chashele was Haskiel, a man's name.  But you want it to be a woman's name. Women often did not have a Hebrew name, but only Yiddish and / or secular names. One of my 2g grandmothers had 20 children in a tiny town, and her name is different on each birth record; My ggrandmother, her daughter was mostly Rachel in records in the US - this was also one of her mother's names; on her marriage record in NYC, she was Regina. She had a sister born Regina, and this was another of their mother's names. So go figure.

Are you sure Chashele isn't Rachele? Where did you find Chashele?

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

"Can anyone tell me about the given name Chashele"

 

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