Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general


I agree with Jeffrey,
I gave up on Geni because it does allow people to make massive mistakes that are impossible to correct. Years ago I added a small piece of my own branch there. Someone added children for my late sister. She had none. I should know. While I might look for hints on that website, no way would I want others to mess with my full tree. Too many hands in the pot.
Elias Savada
Bethesda MD

From: Jeffrey Herrmann
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:12:07 EDT 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 09:12 AM, Max Heffler wrote:

You claim “Collaborative sites, like geni, provide the best possibility of progressive correctness for this record.”  
What is your evidence for this bold assertion?  The anecdotal evidence reported by many users of these sites suggests that the posted trees become progressively more incorrect as careless users cut and paste each others errors into ever more trees.  This is the antithesis of “progressive correctness.”

Elias Savada
Bethesda MD

Re: Looking for help Zabokrich #ukraine

Alexander Sharon


A Jewish history of shtetl Zabokrich is written in Russian. Please use Google translate the article.

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Stephen Katz

I'm grateful to Bill Katz (no relation, as far as I'm aware, but hey, who knows) for his thoughtful and detailed exposition of his bad experiences with I have had had the same horrid experiences. I naively started a geni tree in the very early days of my adventure in genealogy. At some point, I realized that it had essentially been hijacked by others, who were adding all sorts of rubbish to it. When I delved into geni's policies, I became aware that when you put a tree on that site you lose control over it. I did not contact geni as Bill did, so I did not receive the unacceptable response from geni "support" that he did -- which included the appalling accusation that he'd "vandalized" his own tree! As I've said before in this forum and others, whenever anyone asks me about genealogy websites, I advise them to avoid geni at all costs.
To a poster who advised reading a site's policies before adding a tree to it: sure, one might eventually glean from the site's turgid and opaque policy recitations that someone who creates a tree on geni loses control over it, but how many prople have the time, inclination, or ability to do this? This is, indeed, what this and many other sites rely on to effectively hide how the sites actually work, and why the EU and other jurisdictions have felt the need to address it.
Stephen Katz

Re: translation from Russian needed #translation


The name Hannah (Хана in Russian) is in a wrong grammatical case in the writing, which makes one think that either the person was not very literate in Russian or there is a missing word "from", which was possibly cut out. If the former then Hannah was the addressee, if the latter then she was the person who gave the photo to her sister. The handwriting looks very solid, so I don't think she was illiterate. On the other hand there's tons of room for the Russian word "от" (from), it would even look odd if it was to the left or to the right of the existing text. There is also a small chance that the name was actually Hany (Ханы), but that is odd as well. To summarize, I am not sure if it was given to Hannah or by Hannah...

Mikhail Matusov
ON, Canada

Re: Slovakia civil registration records #records #slovakia

Sally Bruckheimer

Civil registration was only for Jews. The church took care of recording the Christians.


Re: Sephardic Resiliencia Festival - Virtual #sephardic

Schelly Talalay Dardashti

Go to for the BIG  poster and easy registration.
It is also on the CentroSefaradNM facebook page.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
JGS of New Mexico
Centro Sefarad NM

Webinar about Jewish cemeteries in Polish genealogical research #events #poland

Daniel Horowitz

Hi all, 
This Thursday 29 Oct. 2020 "Your Roots in Poland" organize another webinar that I hope you will find interesting:
Bond of life. Jewish cemeteries in Polish genealogical research.

Here's a link to the event:
During this webinar the lecturer will show you how to find information on Jewish ancestors buried in Poland. Will talk about Jewish cemeteries in Poland – their locations, online databases and pass you a few tips on how to find your Jewish ancestor’s grave in Polish archives and online databases.
The webinar is FREE and open to all, but you must register at

NOTE: I have no relation to the "Your Roots in Poland" organization and post this only for the benefit of the Jewish genealogy community.
Daniel Horowitz

Re: Looking for the whereabouts of Gussie HOCH #galicia


Hi Sherri,
Thanks so much for your information. It makes sense what you write about Gussie being at St. Lawrence for psychiatric reasons. The only thing that confuses me about this is that on the death certificate--please see attached, where I've circled in red-- in the box that indicates 'Length of stay in town, city or village' it looks like the number 2 is written over '5 days' on the bottom of the box. What do you think is the meaning of that?

Brooklyn, NY

NEGER, SPINRAD (Dynow, Poland)
TOLPEN (Suchostaw, Poland/Sukhostav, Ukraine)
DISTENFELD, ADLER, WILDER (Kamionka Strumilowa, Poland/Kamianka-Buzka, Ukraine)

Help Needed In New York-Abraham ROSNER (1885-1979) #usa #germany

Abuwasta Abuwasta

Dear Genners,

Just discovered that my late grandfather Chiel Jakub ROSNER(1866-1942) had a brother names Hirsch who had a son Abraham Jakub ROSNER. 

This is what we know about him :Abraham Rosner, born 16.08.1885 in Zabno, Poland
Wife: Erna Rosner, née Kupferblum, born on 01.07.1887 in Ostrowitz
Abraham Rosner: Schoolboyhood/apprenticeship in Zabno/Poland; 1907 he came to Leipzig, 1909 to Düsseldorf; 1911 he founded a furniture and linen installment business in Wallstr. 47, where they lived; on January 9th, 1935 he moved to Brooklyn, USA (emigration), where he first ran a small colonial goods shop.

I found on Ancestry their entry to the USA in 1935 where Erna is Ester and no children mentioned.  Abraham died in Israel in 1979 and the burial society has no record of his relatives. Ester may have died in New York in 1956(based on SSDI). A person related to the Kupferblums  remembers that:
 "My grandfather (Gershon Kupferblum)’s aunt Ester lived in Williamsburg/Brooklyn with her husband in the 1950s. They were orthodox Jews, and ran a “wine shop.” I believe they had a son named Paul. Maybe a daughter or daughter-in-law named Rose?"
Need to find Paul ROSNER  and  Rose. Did not see anything at the 1940 census.


Jacob Rosen



Re: Could you someone help me with translating a gravestone from Hebrew to English? #translation


A bitter eulogy we mourn, mother and 7 sons and 2 daughters, on the death of the upright husband and father Reb Yitzchak son of Reb Abraham Goldstein of blessed memory, died at the age of 47 years 10 days to month of Adar 1 5643. His good to the people of his faith will be remembered for his soul. May his soul be bound in the bonds of life in the garden of Eden, amen.

Reb is just a title like Mr and doesn't signify being a Rabbi. In leap years there are two months of Adar. The date corresponds to February 16th after sunset or the 17th 1883.

Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD

Re: translation from Russian needed #translation


In Russian:
Дорогой сестре Ханы
Фотограф В.С. Жуковский

Translated into English:
To Dear Sister Hana (Possible from Hana)
Photographer V.S. Zhukovsky
Writing in red impossible to reed. 
Translated by Michael Ryabinky

Latkes #general

Shirley Holton

My family are from Simnas and Snipiskes Lithuania and Szczuczyn in Lomza Poland. And we always liked Chrain (the Russian Chren) a sharp horseraddish condiment - and salt with latkes. My mother - a descendant of Simnas used to call them blintzes.
Shirley Holton
London UK

Re: Slovakia civil registration records #records #slovakia

tzipporah batami

Vivian I would like to introduce a different opinion here. The dispersion and destruction of the Holocaust I feel should make an exception to privacy laws. For many this is scholarly or research on ancestrieos which is meritorious. For some this is still a search for birth cerificates because these archives do not respond to survivors claiming those records are in basements. If you could request that the time period of the Holocaust birth and marriage certificates be included it would be appreciated. Also I am wondering if you are also including those records from towns like Michalovce which was not part of Hungary since 1918 and when one contacts Slovakia they claim it was not same country. Or they dont answer. Or provide the basement excuse. To clarify I would consider Holocaust time period to start from the rise of Nazis in power, the late 1920s. I think living survivors would prefer access over privacy. Thanks for considering my idea and entertaining a broad response. And a reply.on whether Michalovce is included. Thanks so much.

Feigie Teichman

Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Jeffrey Herrmann

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 09:12 AM, Max Heffler wrote:
You claim “Collaborative sites, like geni, provide the best possibility of progressive correctness for this record.”  
What is your evidence for this bold assertion?  The anecdotal evidence reported by many users of these sites suggests that the posted trees become progressively more incorrect as careless users cut and paste each others errors into ever more trees.  This is the antithesis of “progressive correctness.”
Jeffrey Herrmann

Re: Jewish Actors (Cohen) in England ca 1916 #unitedkingdom

Dexter Moseley

have you tried the actors union called Equity?

Dexter Moseley

Re: translation from Russian needed #translation


Unless the right side of the photo on the second line has some text, it should read
"To dear

If, however, there is a word "от" / "om" on the 2nd line, that would indicate that it's "To dear sister from Hanna"


you were pretty close with the word, but it's "Дорогой", not "Дороготы"

Mike Vayser

Re: Re Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Lisa Lepore

Hi Joan,

The intent of trees such as those at Geni, and the ones at is to create one big tree where everyone connects to everyone else.  So, even if it were possible to replace your tree with the one you want, at some point the others can just add on to it again.  The problem with these types of trees is that some people are very careful with their research and are truly interested in connecting with the distant branches of their families.  Unfortunately, there are also many who are not careful, or who do not respond when you contact them.  In some cases that have been discussed here, unfortunately there are those Mormons who persist in adding Jewish people to their religious ceremonies, even though their own church has asked them not to do this.  I had some changes made to my familysearch tree by a man who answered very vaguely when I asked him how he was related to me.  He first said his wife had done it, then he didn't remember, then he stopped communicating with me.  He still makes changes to some of the people, so I'm not really sure what's going on there, and I wondered if it was related to some of these overzealous people baptizing everyone they can document?   Since I don't follow their beliefs, I don't think deceased people can agree to anything, so it's meaningless to me.   

Once you set up a public tree at one of these "one big tree" sites, this is a problem that will continue.  The only thing to do to avoid it is to keep your tree on your own computer, or find a site where you can post your tree and keep it private, or let people look at it but not add to it.  You can do this at myheritage & at ancestry, and there are probably other places I am not familiar with. 

Lisa Lepore
Mendon, MA

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joan Parker <parker5850@...> wrote:
I've been following this thread and wonder if this suggestion might be viable... or if I'm  being very naive. Since one cannot eliminate bad stuff added to their tree (I too had the ex-wife's family of my nephew added by  Randy Schoenberg.  It was just there one day and I have no interest in her or her family).  Her branch is not on my Ancestry or  My Heritage trees.  Can one make a gedcom of their other  tree and DL it to Geni as an upgrade to their Geni tree?  Would this eliminate all the bad stuff? Or is this just too simplistic?
Joan Parker
Past President/Archivist
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
1) GOLDBERG/ GOULD, GOODSTEIN/GUDSTEIN, BERGER, GERBER/CRAWFORD, JAGODA-Lipno, Plonsk, Plock, Poland-Russia; Warsaw, Poland-Russia; Galveston, TX; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY, Portland, OR, Los Angeles/Hollywood, CA.
2)  PARKER/PINKUS, WINOGRAD, (GERSHO-BEROVNA?)., R0SEN, -Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. WEISS, NEIKRUG, DEL PINO--Brooklyn, NY.  RABWIN--Hollywood, CA, Salt Lake City, UT. CLAYTON-California.
3) GELFAND, KRITZOFF, KATZ, TROCK --Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

Re: translation from Russian needed #translation


Hand inscription "Dear sister from Khana" Below "Photographer V.?. S *** vsky, Nezhin"
Iryna Tulchynska. Ukraine

Re: Slovakia civil registration records #records #slovakia

Carole Bass

Vivian Kahn,

I should have asked: is Mr. Abolson digitizing all civil registration records, or just those for Jewish births, deaths, and marriages?

Thanks again.
Carole Bass
New Haven, Connecticut, USA

Re: Slovakia civil registration records #records #slovakia

Carole Bass

Vivian Kahn,

Thank you very much. The records I'm looking for are from the Kosice Region — from the town of Gelnica or thereabouts — and are more than 100 years old. Are any digitized records online?

I will gladly donate in support of this work. I've worked with Hungarian Civil Registration records from elsewhere in Hungary and can usually find my way around the records, but I don't know that that qualifies me to transcribe. I don't read Hungarian or Slovak.
Carole Bass
New Haven, Connecticut, USA

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