Re: Latvia Database / Christine Usdin Clarification #latvia #records

Bernard Aronson

You claim to have the same records as the late Ms. Usdin, however, in the All-Russian 1897, census two persons were omitted from the Jewish Gen records, which Usdin's translation included.  According to the former, the household of my maternal great grandfather Ruvin Antonos included the family of his second marriage to Mera Patz, their daughter Malka (seamstress, aged 21 y),  her son Khaim (aged 21 y) and his wife Jesne (aged 22 y). The Jewish Gen records omitted Khaim and Jesne's younger daughter Malka (aged 2)  and  Ruvin and Mera's second daughter, Braina (apprentice, aged 14). 

I also found Usdin's translation of the records of rabbi Ratner, et al to be more inclusive for the progeny of my great aunt Ita Beila (nee Sandler) and Ezer Wulf kagan and their children.  We have never been able to determine the fate of this family, which my family felt had been exterminated in the Shoah.

I await anxiously improvement in the Latvian records.  

Bernard Aronson

Re: Katzenellenbogen / Ariogala #rabbinic #lithuania

Jeremy Lichtman

Hi Adam,

I've emailed my cousins to ask if they'd be willing to do DNA testing. Which is the most appropriate test in this case?

I also checked Da'at Kedoshim (Eisenstadt, 1897), and it goes through the Katzenellenbogen lineage down to Yekhezhel. It gives his children's names, but doesn't go further, unfortunately. Not sure what other sources exist.

Thanks for the encouragement!

Jeremy Lichtman

Re: Coat of Arms #poland

Krzysztof Witaszek

In Poland since the Middle Ages many  Jews who converted to Christianity  have received nobility (and coat of arms).
There is an interesting article about it (in Polish).

As I've  noticed,  often there was a David star in their coat of arms.
Krzysztof Witaszek

OCJGS Future Virtual Meetings Line Up #events

Michelle Sandler

This is the lineup for future meetings of The Orange County California Jewish Genealogy Society.  All meetings are virtual and Pacific Time.
Sunday September 13th 11:00 am Stanley Diamond - JRI-Poland
Sunday October 25th 10:00 am Risa Daitzman Heywood - Finding Unindexed Records
Sunday November 22nd 10:00 am Judy Baston - Lithuanian Jewish Research
Sunday December 20th 10:00 am Lara Diamond - TBD
Sunday January 24th 10:00 am Alexander Beider - Jewish Surnames  All about his research

Everyone must register for each event you are interested in.  Go to to register.
Meetings are $5 each or $15 for membership for the next 4 months.

Michelle Sandler MLS
President and Vice President of Programming OCJGS

Re: Index of Baghdadi Jewish Surnames #names

Molly Staub

I have been told that my father’s ancestors fled Harasta (a suburb of Damascus) in the 1830s because of Moslem attempts to convert Jews and Christians. Abraham and Markil arrived in our ancestral town of Dumbraveni, Soroki, Russia (now Moldova) and were given the surname Harast.
— In 19th century America it became Arost.
I have researched successive generations. Is there some way you can suggest to learn about their life in Harasta?
Thank you for all your work,
Molly Arost Staub

Derechin birth/marriage/death records #belarus

Mary Ann Evan

Searching for several families from Derechin and have found a few Revision List records but no vital records. Does anyone know if these records survived, and if so, where they might be? I have check Routes to Roots and FamilySearch as well as JewishGen searches.
Thank you.
Mary Ann Evan

Re: Kagan family in Zvenigorodka, Kiev Gubernia and Philadelphia #ukraine

Myrna Simon

My family is also from Zvenigorodka. I was recently contacted by some relatives who have been living in the States since the 1970's. They have little information since they left ZV and grew up in Kiev. I've been in touch with a genealogist to find out exactly how we are related, because the surname is the same, "Koshevetsky." 
Myrna Simon
missmyrna31@gmail. com
Newport Beach, CA

Re: Lichtenstein family from Slovakia, Austria now called LANE living in Chicago area #austria-czech #general #slovakia #usa


My cousin, who is in her 90’s, was married to a Lichtenstein. Most of his relatives lived in either the Boston area or New York. Some of the first names included Joseph, who was married to Bella, both born in the early 1850’s. Their children were Mary, Florence, Carl, Cecilia (Kitty), Aron and Philip all born between 1877 and 1892. Aaron moved to Boston and that is where my cousin fits into the family. 

Does any of that fit in?

Re: U.S. Appeals Court Rules Spanish Museum May Keep Nazi Looted Art #announcements #holocaust

Adam Cherson

I haven't read the proceedings of this case, but there is a question in my mind whether a contract (i.e. a purchase and sale transaction) is a voluntary one if one of the parties is acting under extreme duress (i.e. a gun to the head). If the seller's thinking was: either I give this painting over in exchange for the passport or I will likely die, then that is not a truly voluntary meeting of the minds. If that was the case, then one might argue that the original sale was void from the inception and that therefore the chain of title is no good. I guess it all depends on how real the threat to her life was in 1939 in the place where the transaction occurred.

Adam Cherson

Re: Seeking addition information on Seide faimily from Obonick, Prussia #poland #germany

Bruce Seide

Enlisted in San Francisco on Dec. 20, 1864 into the 2nd Infantry as a musician (bugler).  Served 1 yr. 9 months.

Bruce Seide
Charleston, SC

Re: STOUBTSY MEMORIAL BOOK (Stolpce/Stoibtz/Steibtz) #belarus


Hi Janis

You might want to post this on the page Steibtz -- Stolpce--Descendants Group  Good luck

Re: Katzenellenbogen / Ariogala #rabbinic #lithuania

Adam Cherson

Dear Jeremy Lichtman,

I think you've discovered a potential new branch of the Baal Knesset (

If you are correct then the 'high Rabbi' Yakov is the son of the Baal Knesset, as shown here:

In order to seal the case, I would propose seeking to obtain the yDNA haplogroup of one of your Shapiro cousins and then comparing this to that of the Baal Knesset, who is either a J-M172 or an E-35 (your information could also resolve which of those two is correct).

This could be a major K'bogen breakthrough so I encourage you to move ahead with the investigation.

Adam Cherson

Seeking help to find the marriage and death registrations of my Grand Uncle Dr KAMMER Zsigmond, Budapest dentist. #hungary #records

Rosemary Thomas

I am trying to draw a documented connection between myself and my best match on MyHeritage, without the assistance of the match. Yes I have asked!

I would greatly appreciate any assistance the community could provide in finding KAMMER Zsigmond's marriage and or death registration records.

My maternal grandfather's youngest brother, Zsiga KAMMER, was born on 20 Oct 1890 in Senec Slovakia (then Szempcz Hungary). His parents were Adolf KAMMER and Fani KRAUSZ. The family moved to Budapest c.1900. I have been able to trace Zsigmond through school, university, army service and into private practice as a dentist in Budapest. I have found newspaper and directory references up until 1932 and then he disappears.  Unlike his parents and siblings there seem to be no newspaper notices of his marriage or death in contemporary newspapers. I have searched the Budapest civil records on FamilySearch without success.

I have found Zsigmond as a witness at what I believe to be his sister-in-law's marriage in 1924 in Budapest.  The 1937 edition of KEMPELEN Belá's Magyarországi Zsidó és Zsidó Eredetü Családok, lists Zsigmond as deceased. Kempelen named two daughters, but not Zsigmond's wife. From school records I believe the daughters were born in 1922 and 1926, so their birth records are within the 100 year privacy provisions and not online.  Zsigmond is not listed with his siblings on his mother's January 1937 newspaper death notice suggesting he probably died between 1932 and 1936. I have not been able to locate a burial record for Zsigmond.

I believe his wife remarried in Budapest X in 1938 as a Roman Catholic widow and under her maiden name, SCHWARZ Lilly Lidia. I have been able to locate a 1934 notarial deed on Hungaricana, an authorisation, that may link Zsigmond to Lilly but I have been waiting six weeks for the archive to provide a quotation to provide a copy of the record.

I believe one of the daughter's was killed in the Shoah.  I may have tracked one of Zsigmond's daughters to the USA post World War II. There are some name variations and complicated relationships. A record of marriage would make many hours of 'covid confined' searching more worth while, elevate my closest match to a known match and possibly help me to sort some of my other matches into clearer family lines.

Re: Chevras HaMaggidim - Pressburg 5666 (1906) #rabbinic #austria-czech #photographs


Can't help with the picture (can't zoom in on it, and wouldn't know any of the people if I could), but nitpick: you tagged this "austria-czech", but Pressburg = Pozsony = Bratislava, which is not and was not Czech.

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Re: Since changing to the "Daily Summary" setting for receiving posts, I can no longer see how to reply or... #general

Joyaa Antares

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 01:44 PM, <jbonline1111@...> wrote:
After you go to the individual post, you must also log in.  The link is at the top right hand corner.
Barbara Sloan
Spot on Barbara - thank you.    For some reason, since I moved to the Daily Summary setting, I now need to log in in order to see the "reply", "like" buttons etc.
I imagine others will encounter this issue so I'm responding to the list so they will know the solution.       Thanks, Joyaa

Re: Marriage Index Entry #belarus

Alan Shuchat

Entries in the Family Tree of the Jewish People come from people who submitted them. There is an FAQ for the tree, and a search for "Code" gives no results. But the FAQ does explain how you can contact the submitter:
Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #poland

Bruce Drake

The beis midrash (“House of Learning”) was a central part of Jewish communities described in the Yizkor books, and many chapters are dedicated to memories of them. It was a place to study Torah that could be located in a synagogue, a yeshiva or other communal building. But it was also a place of camaraderie where, after studies were done, Jews might repair to a nearby tavern to “refresh their hearts with Akevit (Aquivit)” or the bakery whose aromas wafted through the beis midrash windows every morning.
Those pleasures is what I enjoyed in “The old Beis Midrash” from the Yizkor book of Sierpc, Poland, particularly the description of the offerings of the tavern: “Whisky, tasty herring with onions and peppers, and oil cookies freshly baked… Homemade cigarettes made from fresh yellow Russian tobacco, five for a kopeck.”
The priceless part of this excerpt is what happens when the local excise officer makes an inspection … and how the owner and fellow Jews dealt with him.

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD

Re: Marriage Index Entry #belarus

Mark Shapiro

The code number is the member number of the person who submitted the information.  If you click on the link for Ze'ev William Datz, you will be taken to a family tree of his descendants.  Near the top of that page is a link to click for contacting the person who submitted the information.
Mark Shapiro
New York, NY
Czaprak & Brzozowski (Warsaw, Ciechanov, Nowe Miasto, Poland), Krechevsky (Slonim, Belarus), Melnikov & Simmons (Kovno, Lithuania)

Re: Looking for help with marriage document PERLSTEIN #translation

Corinna Woehrl

Hello Laurence,

this is a 'normal' German wedding-certificate, which consists of two pages (second page includes the witnesses and signatures of couple and witn.):
mentioning the parents' surnamesnames/maiden names
NIederurff, January 18th 1892
1. merchant Jacob Perlstein, known, of Jewish religion
born Febr. 8th. 1831 in Meimbressen
living in Fritzlar
son of Herz Perstein and his wife Breinchen born Paut, lastly living Meimbressen
2. Sarah Katz, know, of Jewish Religion
born Dec. 3rd. 1844 in NIederurff,
living in Niederurff
daughter of merchant David Katz and his wife Gelah born Israel, the latter living in Niederurff
Regards from Germany,

Corinna Woehrl

Re: Jewish Agricultural Colony of Alliance, NJ #usa

Harriet Mayer

If you Google "Alliance Colony" many items will come up. This place has been well documented. Check out the Geni website project which lists the names of many families there, and Jarrett Ross, who blogs at GeneaVlogger, has two episodes on Alliance. You can find his channel on Youtube.  Some of his relatives were part of the community.

Harriet Mayer

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