Leib Alter Kubiec Tombstone Photo Request in Lodz, Poland
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#photographs
#poland
Moishe Miller
Dear Everyone,
I hope my note finds you well, safe from the pandemic. Would anyone have experience in obtaining a picture of a tombstone from the Lodz Cemetery? I looked up the person of interest at: http://www.jewishlodzcemetery.org/EN/CemeteryPlan/Default.aspx?Q=true&SearchPhrase=kubiec I found that Kubiec, Leib Alter, who passed away 23 Feb 1917, is in section "Szcz" of the cemetery. Is there someone I can ask in Lodz, that can photograph that tombstone? Thank you and stay safe, Moishe Miller Brooklyn, NY moishe.miller@... JGFF #3391
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Re: DNA mtDNA - Newly found Jewish Cousins - Research advice needed
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Bob Kosovsky
Agne, let me post what FamilyTreeDNA says about mtDNA. The boldface-underline is mine:
That means the people with whom you match could have common relatives older than 500 years. In other words, mtDNA by itself is generally not useful for finding relatives. Bob Kosovsky, New York City, seeking any and all permutations/locations of:
KASOVSKI/Y, KASOWSKI/Y, KOSOFSKY, KOSOVSKY, KOSOWSKY, KOSOW, KOSSOVE, etc.
Slutsk: DAVIDSON, GELFAND (also Sioux City, Iowa)
Klodawa: JARET, JARETSKY, JARECKI, KOLSKY/I; Przedecz: PIFKO, PIWKO
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Re: Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ?
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Sally Bruckheimer
"A painter then is the same as a painter now, somebody that puts paint on a surface. It didn't matter if it was applied inside or outside a building or to a canvas on an easel. If the person were a rabbi, the manifest would list his profession as a teacher."
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the Christian clerks who wrote the records did not consider rabbis teachers, but ministers or priests of the 'old religion'. In Poland teachers were bakalarz or nauczyciel, and rabbis were duchowny, clergymen. But yes, a painter is a painter, outside, inside, wherever. Sally Bruckheimer Princeton, NJ
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Re: Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ?
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Barbara Ellman
My grandfather and his brothers were in real estate in NYC with many apartment buildings. The brothers employed all of their relatives as they arrived as shmirers (house painters). The relatives worked as painters until they could establish themselves in another buisiness.
-- Barbara Ellman Secaucus NJ USA HASSMAN, SONENTHAL, DAUERMAN, LUCHS - Drohobycz, Ukraine HIRSCHHORN, GOLDSTEIN, BUCHWALD - Dolyna, Ukraine ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland
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ViewMate - Hebrew translation - 1897 Starokonstantinov Death Records Cause of Death#ukraine
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Barry E Chernick
ViewMate - Hebrew translation - 1897 Starokonstantinov Death Records
Cause of Death#ukraine I have posted 1897 Starokonstantinov Death Records I need the Cause of Death translated. https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85293 https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85294 Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Thank you very much. Barry Chernick
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Re: DNA mtDNA - Newly found Jewish Cousins - Research advice needed
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Molly Staub
Hi Agne, I test as 100% Ashkenazic Jewish, but I have found links to Syria (relatives seeking religious freedom who emigrated to my father's native town in Bessarabia in the 19th century), Brazil and Argentina (relatives fleeing Russian pogroms who settled in South America in the 20th Century), China (formerly from Russia in the 20th century probably pursuing economic opportunities), and Australia and New Zealand (from a branch that had settled in Great Britain originally from Russia). I suggest you follow every possibility; that's what makes genealogy research such fun! And why they call us "wandering Jews."
Molly Staub
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Re: Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ?
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tom
my late father used to refer to "ship painters" - a mildly derisive term for people who decided that they were "painters" during the voyage to america.
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....... tom klein, toronto
At 13:49 -0700 8/9/20, main@... wrote:
My grandfather was a religious scholar in Lutsk i.e. as far as I know , he did not have a marketable skill when he arrived in the U.S. in 1902 . Eventually, he worked with others as a house painter , I don't know if that was inside or outside , but my father told me that he didn't make much money because he was always taking time off for the yom-toyvim or to daven during the day . On all the documents such as census etc . his profession was listed as " painter " . However , I just noticed that on his ship manifest his profession was also listed as "painter " . --
....... tom klein, toronto
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mab@...
Jefferey -
In order to offer advice, it would be good to know exactly where this tree is posted. Can you go to the website and look at the URL and let us know what it starts with? (For example, the URL for a tree posted on Ancestry will start with ancestry.com or www.ancestry.com. - Miriam Alexander Baker
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Bloch Family from Raslavice
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F. Zappa
I am researching the Bloch family from Raslavice Hungary. My entire family migrated to the USA by the early 1900s. I am particularly interested in the early history of Judah (Julius) Bloch, married to Lotti Gottdiener Bloch. Lotti's parents were Isak Nathan Gottdiener and Gertrude "Kati" Stern Gottdiener. The Bloch family migrated to Ohio and most, to Cleveland. What I am particularly interested in is Judah's parents. According to my records, Judah Bloch was born in Zalobin (Zsalobina.) At 16 years of age (1869), he was staying with a Stern family in varanno (Vranov) and two possibilities are that his mother passed and the Sterns took him in, or that he was at that location to study the Torah as his eventual profession was as a Scribe. His father is listed as a David Bloch and his mother's name is unknown. Judah has a sister named Anna Bloch, who married into the Milder family. And in some records, Judah and Anna are listed as children of the above named Isaak and Gertrude Gottdiener. My family is curious about events during Judah and Anna's early life. Unfortunately nobody in the current Bloch family has any knowledge of this time frame.
Russell Bloch
Metro Detroit, Michigan
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There's still time to register for tomorrow's (9/9) sephardic genealogy webinar
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#events
Moriah Amit
Family History Today: Portuguese Citizenship - Reconnecting with your Sephardic Iberian Ancestors Wednesday, September 9, 3 PM ET This program is sponsored by the Ackman & Ziff Family Genealogy Institute. It is supported, in part, by public funds from the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs in partnership with the City Council. Ticket Info: Pay what you wish; register at /tickets/family-history-today-2020-09-09 to receive a link to the Zoom program.
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Re: Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ?
#general
karen.silver@juno.com
A painter then is the same as a painter now, somebody that puts paint on a surface. It didn't matter if it was applied inside or outside a building or to a canvas on an easel. If the person were a rabbi, the manifest would list his profession as a teacher.
There was no requirement to have a marketable skill listed on the manifest in 1902. The only requirement was to be able to verify the occupation and other facts listed on the manifest when questioned upon arrival. All of my relatives were truthful in listing their occupations and among all the people I have found manifests for in my various trees, only one was listed as a painter. And that person continued to work as a painter after arriving.
Karen Silver
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Pictorial history of Budapest’s Dohany Street synagogue
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Art Hoffman
https://jewish-heritage-europe.eu/2019/12/26/photo-essay-tracing-the-history-of-budapests-dohany-street-synagogue/.
This was sent to me by a good friend that emigrated to the US after the 1956 Hungarian revolution. I checked to see if the URL was previously submitted to the JewishGen digest but didn't come up with any. Art Hoffman
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Town in Ukraine : Kosinke near Zhitomir
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Almost all documents that my grandfather Shloyme Postolov filled out show his place of birth as Zhitomir and that is where he lived with his wife and her family and where recently discovered Russian cousins emigrated from .
However , on his ship manifest from 1908 , he shows his birthplace as “Kosinke” . The Russian cousins don’t recignize any towns named Kosinke near Zhitomir . The story is that his mother and two sisters died in one of the cholera epidemics of the 1880’s . The rabbi told his father Yoysef to add Chaim to his name , burn the house and wagon and send his two remaining children away . They were sent to Zhitomir to apprentice with a blacksmith . Shloyme was boarding with my grandmother’s aunt where he met her . Fayvl disappeared and was never heard from again . I am trying to find out what likely places my grandfather actually came from . There is a Kozyn near Zhitomir and several Kosinkes showing in the Gazeteer in Ukraine - one close to Dnepepetrovsk . Does anyone have any opinions as to which one was a likely place for Jews to live within a reasonable distance from Zhitomir ? -- Henry H. Carrey
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Re: Federal Judge Blocks Early Stop of Census Count
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#usa
Louis777@...
From Louis Trachtman (Louis777@...)
Actually the percentages quoted are that of households, not residents. If the per cent of residents were known, then the entire population could also easily be calculated. Households can number from one to many more people.
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Hi~Searching for Family. GERSZON & POLEJES from Rubezhevichi, Belarus.
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Siennastef@...
Hi all~
Searching my Mother's side of the family. My name: Stefanie Haftel Warrenbrand My Mother: Sylvia Karalefsky Haftel Her Mother: Frances Gerson (Gerszon)-->New Haven, CT Her Grandmother: Bejla (Beala, Bayla) Polejes (Poleyes)/Husband Israel Gerszon-->New Haven, CT Her Great Grandfather: Juda (Judah? Yehuda) Polejes If there is anyone that can help me search Sideways and Further Back in this part of the tree, I'd appreciate it so much! Thanks!! Sincerely, Stefanie
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Viewmate Translations of Newly Found Polish Alegata Records
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#translation
Barbara Stack
Friends, some of you will have seen the announcement on
JRIPoland by Nowy Dwor Town Leader Alan K'necht about the recent discovery of
some Alegata Records. For reference on Alegata Records, look here:
I’m the cousin that volunteered to shlep the following pages
through Viewmate:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85258
The information added by these records is of great interest
to a whole circle of us. Any help Polish translators can lend would be much
appreciated!
Best sequestration regards,
Barbara Toby Stack
Berkeley, California
ALTSTEIN Mlawa, Poland
ALTSZTEJN Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland
CHRZADOWSKI Brzeziny, Poland
CHSHUNSTOFSKY Brzeziny, Kikol, Lipno Poland
DROZDOWCIZ Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland
OLDSTEIN England, US, Australia
RESNICK Volhynia, Ukraine
SCHLEGER Lokachi, Ukraine
STACHOWITZ USA
STASIOWICH Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland
THORNER Plock, Poland
TORUNCZYK Warszawa, Poland
YECHT Lokachi, Ukraine
ZLOTNICK Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland
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Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ?
#general
My grandfather was a religious scholar in Lutsk i.e. as far as I know , he did not have a marketable skill when he arrived in the U.S. in 1902 . Eventually, he worked with others as a house painter , I don’t know if that was inside or outside , but my father told me that he didn’t make much money because he was always taking time off for the yom-toyvim or to daven during the day . On all the documents such as census etc . his profession was listed as “ painter “ . However , I just noticed that on his ship manifest his profession was also listed as “painter “ .
Some cousins have speculated that he was a “ portrait painter “ in Lutsk . I doubt that , not only because the rabbis frowned upon painting the human form , but also because it was not a good way to make a living . When I looked at other ship manifests , I noticed that there were a lot of people who put down their professions as “painter” . This leads to me to believe that American relatives had told people that “painter” was an acceptable profession for the American immigration authorities . I can’t believe that there were so many Marc Chagalls among Eastern European Jews . Does anyone know what “ painter” was likely to mean to Americans and Jewish immigrants in the early part of the 20th century and if it was indeed a profession that relatives told new emigrants to use ? -- Henry H. Carrey
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Bruce Seide
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Re: Looking for Israeli relatives
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Nomi Waksberg
To: Robin Klainbard
Hello, Facebook has 2 Israeli listing under the name Altboim. There are also several "Altboim" listing in Patach Tikva...http://www.israelpb.com/Altboim/city/Petah+Tikva The name Klajnbard is also on my tree. (As you know "J" is like "i" in Polish. Chana (1823-1893) was my 3g gm. Her father/mother were Szmul and Gela. Please let me know if you have those names on your tree. They were from the area surrounding Warsaw. Any chance that we are distantly related? Best, Nomi Fiszenfeld Waksberg nwaksberg@...
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Re: Searching Goldstein and Kaufer
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Sherri Bobish
Stuart, I agree with David that re-marriage after losing a spouse was a matter of practicality, especially for someone with young children. However, the Harry Goldstein that passed on in March 1910 was born in 1858. The Harry Goldstein that married Fannie was born in 1882. A mistake in the transcription of the death record is a possibility, but assuming it was transcribed correctly this is not Fannie's husband. Regards, Sherri Bobish
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