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Unable to find "NIRSTN" or "NARMONT" #general

bette_sscf <bette_sscf@...>
 

Stephanie Cassidy wrote:
< I have been searching everywhere to find evidence of the surname "NIRSTN"
or "NARMONT" in Lithuania. My family appears to have come to the US in 1900
or so. In the 1920 Sangamon Cty. census, my great grandparents and grandparents
were listed with the surname "Nirstn", which I have never heard of. Their places
of birth (all 5) are "Lithuania". Then, in the 1940 census, their last names are
"Narmont", which is how I've always known them. And, my grandparents are listed
with birthplaces in the US instead of Lithuania, while my great-grandparents are
still listed as born in Lithuania. >
-----

When researching immigrants to the USA. it is necessary to obtain all possible
family documents. In the 1920 and 1940 censuses, the parents or all of the family
originated in Lithuania but their arrival information, ancestral town and
children's birthplaces remained unknown. Important clarifications were revealed in
only two additional documents.

- In the 1930 census (indexed as "Narmoth"), the parents were born in Germany (as
were their parents) and arrived in 1905 and 1907, confirming the children ages 21
to 10 were born in the USA.
- The father's WWII draft registration listed his 1877 birthplace as "Mannl"
East Prussia.

East Prussia, German Ostpreussen, former province of Germany - between WWI and WWII
bounded north by the Baltic Sea, east by Lithuania and south and west by Poland
and the free city of Danzig - map showing East Prussia post-WWI and post-WWII
boundary changes
< http://www.britannica.com/place/East-Prussia >

List of cities and towns in East Prussia
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_towns_in_East_Prussia >

The town with the closest pronunciation to "Mannl" is Memel. Per JewishGen
Communities, Memel was in Ostpreussen, Preussen, Germany before WWI and is
now Klaipeda, Lithuania. Located on the Baltic coast, 180.2 miles WNW of
Vilnius, Memel was annexed by Lithuania >from Germany in 1923.

JewishGen KehilaLinks page for Memel (Klaipeda) Lithuania
< http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/memel/Home.html >

German Jewish Special Interest Group (GerSIG)
< http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/resources.htm >

Arrival ship manifests (circa 1904 to 1907) and naturalization documents (between
1920 and 1930 in Illinois) are still needed to clarify the original surname and
confirm the ancestral town in East Prussia, Germany.

Bette Stoop Mas
USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Unable to find "NIRSTN" or "NARMONT" #general

bette_sscf <bette_sscf@...>
 

Stephanie Cassidy wrote:
< I have been searching everywhere to find evidence of the surname "NIRSTN"
or "NARMONT" in Lithuania. My family appears to have come to the US in 1900
or so. In the 1920 Sangamon Cty. census, my great grandparents and grandparents
were listed with the surname "Nirstn", which I have never heard of. Their places
of birth (all 5) are "Lithuania". Then, in the 1940 census, their last names are
"Narmont", which is how I've always known them. And, my grandparents are listed
with birthplaces in the US instead of Lithuania, while my great-grandparents are
still listed as born in Lithuania. >
-----

When researching immigrants to the USA. it is necessary to obtain all possible
family documents. In the 1920 and 1940 censuses, the parents or all of the family
originated in Lithuania but their arrival information, ancestral town and
children's birthplaces remained unknown. Important clarifications were revealed in
only two additional documents.

- In the 1930 census (indexed as "Narmoth"), the parents were born in Germany (as
were their parents) and arrived in 1905 and 1907, confirming the children ages 21
to 10 were born in the USA.
- The father's WWII draft registration listed his 1877 birthplace as "Mannl"
East Prussia.

East Prussia, German Ostpreussen, former province of Germany - between WWI and WWII
bounded north by the Baltic Sea, east by Lithuania and south and west by Poland
and the free city of Danzig - map showing East Prussia post-WWI and post-WWII
boundary changes
< http://www.britannica.com/place/East-Prussia >

List of cities and towns in East Prussia
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_towns_in_East_Prussia >

The town with the closest pronunciation to "Mannl" is Memel. Per JewishGen
Communities, Memel was in Ostpreussen, Preussen, Germany before WWI and is
now Klaipeda, Lithuania. Located on the Baltic coast, 180.2 miles WNW of
Vilnius, Memel was annexed by Lithuania >from Germany in 1923.

JewishGen KehilaLinks page for Memel (Klaipeda) Lithuania
< http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/memel/Home.html >

German Jewish Special Interest Group (GerSIG)
< http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/resources.htm >

Arrival ship manifests (circa 1904 to 1907) and naturalization documents (between
1920 and 1930 in Illinois) are still needed to clarify the original surname and
confirm the ancestral town in East Prussia, Germany.

Bette Stoop Mas
USA


Rav Diskin #general

Neil@...
 

Trying to find out the exact link (if it is true) between R. Yehoshua Zelig Diskin
(1898-1970, ABD Prislav and Pardes Channah,Israel), son of Shimon Moshe Diskin, ABD
Lubani and Lachowitz and Rav Yehoshua Leib Diskin of Jerusalem.

Neil Rosenstein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rav Diskin #general

Neil@...
 

Trying to find out the exact link (if it is true) between R. Yehoshua Zelig Diskin
(1898-1970, ABD Prislav and Pardes Channah,Israel), son of Shimon Moshe Diskin, ABD
Lubani and Lachowitz and Rav Yehoshua Leib Diskin of Jerusalem.

Neil Rosenstein


Re: Why are some records in Russian Empire in Polish? #general

james feldman
 

Pauline:
In the latter part of the 18th century, the Polish Sejm (at that time the
hereditary ruling council of Poland rather like the House of Lords in England)
ceded all control of the nation of Poland to three of its neighbors, Prussia, the
Austro-Hungarian empire, and Russia. Russian's chunk comprised most of the eastern
section of the original Poland. Since Mother Russia had many provinces with many
tongues, they were allowed to continue using their own languages. Civil records,
modeled after the French system, were started in 1826, with separate books of
records for Jews and Christians. This is how the system started, with all the
records in Polish.

The Poles were not entirely happy with Russian rule. Although Poland (land of
fields) is almost militarily indefensible, a sequence of Polish patriots organized
uprisings against the Czar's rule. All were suppressed with little delay. But by
the 1860's the Czar was getting annoyed. His people loved their Czar. Clearly the
way to end this repetitive nonsense was to russify the population. The Czar decreed
that after 1866, all record keeping would be done in Russian and all schools would
operate in Russian. Your great grandmother just made it into this world in time to
beat the switchover.

An amusing change took place with the switch to Russian-language records. Up until
the switch, most Jewish witnesses of these records signed in Hebrew characters.
After 1867, in quiet protest to the language of record, many began to sign using
Roman letters.

Polish-language civil records did not reappear until Polish independence in 1918.

Jim Feldman
Krasnik Shtetl Coordinator
jim@feldman.com

pauline rosenberg <paulinerosenberg@hotmail.com> wrote:
My great grandmother was born in 1866 in Pinczow, Poland and her birth record was
in Polish. However, she married in 1885 in Wodzislaw and her marriage record was
in Russian. Did some Jewish communities continue to keep their records in Polish
even when they were part of the Russian Empire?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Why are some records in Russian Empire in Polish? #general

james feldman
 

Pauline:
In the latter part of the 18th century, the Polish Sejm (at that time the
hereditary ruling council of Poland rather like the House of Lords in England)
ceded all control of the nation of Poland to three of its neighbors, Prussia, the
Austro-Hungarian empire, and Russia. Russian's chunk comprised most of the eastern
section of the original Poland. Since Mother Russia had many provinces with many
tongues, they were allowed to continue using their own languages. Civil records,
modeled after the French system, were started in 1826, with separate books of
records for Jews and Christians. This is how the system started, with all the
records in Polish.

The Poles were not entirely happy with Russian rule. Although Poland (land of
fields) is almost militarily indefensible, a sequence of Polish patriots organized
uprisings against the Czar's rule. All were suppressed with little delay. But by
the 1860's the Czar was getting annoyed. His people loved their Czar. Clearly the
way to end this repetitive nonsense was to russify the population. The Czar decreed
that after 1866, all record keeping would be done in Russian and all schools would
operate in Russian. Your great grandmother just made it into this world in time to
beat the switchover.

An amusing change took place with the switch to Russian-language records. Up until
the switch, most Jewish witnesses of these records signed in Hebrew characters.
After 1867, in quiet protest to the language of record, many began to sign using
Roman letters.

Polish-language civil records did not reappear until Polish independence in 1918.

Jim Feldman
Krasnik Shtetl Coordinator
jim@feldman.com

pauline rosenberg <paulinerosenberg@hotmail.com> wrote:
My great grandmother was born in 1866 in Pinczow, Poland and her birth record was
in Polish. However, she married in 1885 in Wodzislaw and her marriage record was
in Russian. Did some Jewish communities continue to keep their records in Polish
even when they were part of the Russian Empire?


Genealogical Items in The National Library of Israel #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

The National Library of Israel has uploaded a presentation on genealogical
research to their website that also includes various items in their vast
collection that are relevant to genealogical research. Enjoy.

https://www.slideshare.net/fullscreen/NliIsrael/genealogical-items-in-the-national-library-of-israel/1
(MODERATOR: https://tinyurl.com/o5ecjkb)

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogical Items in The National Library of Israel #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

The National Library of Israel has uploaded a presentation on genealogical
research to their website that also includes various items in their vast
collection that are relevant to genealogical research. Enjoy.

https://www.slideshare.net/fullscreen/NliIsrael/genealogical-items-in-the-national-library-of-israel/1
(MODERATOR: https://tinyurl.com/o5ecjkb)

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy


Mordechai & Yocheved SEGAL of Tzfat #general

Yaron Pedhazur
 

Dear fellow researchers,

I am seeking information on the ancestry, siblings and relatives of R' Mordechai
SEGAL and his wife Yocheved of Tzfat (Safed).

R' Mordechai came to Tzfat in his youth before the earthquake of 1837 (the
"Ra'ash"), and for many years headed Kolel Vohlyn in Tzfat, till his death in 1896.

His second wife, Yocheved was much younger, came to Tzfat after 1875, and died in
Tiberias in 1950. She presumably descended >from Rabbi Levi Yitzchak of Berdichev,
and, somehow she was related to R' Moshe PEDHAZUR - PODHORZER, the first mayor of
Tzfat.

More information can be found at the following blog post:

https://generatree.wordpress.com/2015/09/29/%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%93%D7%9B%D7%99-%D7%95%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9B%D7%91%D7%93-%D7%A1%D7%92%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%A6%D7%A4%D7%AA-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7%97%D7%AA%D7%99/
(MODERATOR: https://tinyurl.com/o9xjbjn )
Any information would be appreciated -- please reply privately to yarpd at yahoo
dot com.

Thank you and Chag Same'ach,

Yaron Pedhazur
Tel Aviv, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mordechai & Yocheved SEGAL of Tzfat #general

Yaron Pedhazur
 

Dear fellow researchers,

I am seeking information on the ancestry, siblings and relatives of R' Mordechai
SEGAL and his wife Yocheved of Tzfat (Safed).

R' Mordechai came to Tzfat in his youth before the earthquake of 1837 (the
"Ra'ash"), and for many years headed Kolel Vohlyn in Tzfat, till his death in 1896.

His second wife, Yocheved was much younger, came to Tzfat after 1875, and died in
Tiberias in 1950. She presumably descended >from Rabbi Levi Yitzchak of Berdichev,
and, somehow she was related to R' Moshe PEDHAZUR - PODHORZER, the first mayor of
Tzfat.

More information can be found at the following blog post:

https://generatree.wordpress.com/2015/09/29/%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%93%D7%9B%D7%99-%D7%95%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9B%D7%91%D7%93-%D7%A1%D7%92%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%A6%D7%A4%D7%AA-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7%97%D7%AA%D7%99/
(MODERATOR: https://tinyurl.com/o9xjbjn )
Any information would be appreciated -- please reply privately to yarpd at yahoo
dot com.

Thank you and Chag Same'ach,

Yaron Pedhazur
Tel Aviv, Israel


French prewar naturalization records #general

Leah Aharoni -LoveYour.Biz <leah25@...>
 

Hi,

I am looking for a way to locate the French pre-war naturalization records of
Regina (Riva) STEINBERG and Samuel STEINBERG, both born in Poland in 1900.

They lived in Forbach, were deported and perished during the Holocaust. I Know it
is possible to get these naturalization records because I did it for a different
family member a few years ago, but I can't recall how to do it. I would appreciate
your advice on how to find these records

Thank you in advance

Leah Aharoni


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen French prewar naturalization records #general

Leah Aharoni -LoveYour.Biz <leah25@...>
 

Hi,

I am looking for a way to locate the French pre-war naturalization records of
Regina (Riva) STEINBERG and Samuel STEINBERG, both born in Poland in 1900.

They lived in Forbach, were deported and perished during the Holocaust. I Know it
is possible to get these naturalization records because I did it for a different
family member a few years ago, but I can't recall how to do it. I would appreciate
your advice on how to find these records

Thank you in advance

Leah Aharoni


(Norway) National Archives Completes Digitization of 1891 Census #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The National Archives of Norway has completed the digitization of the 1891
census encompassing about 2.5 million images. The census is comprised of
one sheet per house/residence. The census covers 559 cities and
municipalities that existed at the time of the census. Information needs to
access >from the house lists where you can then find the person lists referenced.

To read more about the Census see: http://goo.gl/W8a4Aa
Original url:
http://www.arkivverket.no/eng/The-National-Archives/About-us/News/Archived-news/1891-Census-finished

To search the census go to: http://tinyurl.com/p3yv2lm
Original url:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/finn_kilde?s=&;fra=1891&til=1891&kt[]=FOLK&format[]=ftr

Thank you to Dick Eastman and the Eastman Genealogy Online Newsletter for
informing of us about the census being available.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (Norway) National Archives Completes Digitization of 1891 Census #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The National Archives of Norway has completed the digitization of the 1891
census encompassing about 2.5 million images. The census is comprised of
one sheet per house/residence. The census covers 559 cities and
municipalities that existed at the time of the census. Information needs to
access >from the house lists where you can then find the person lists referenced.

To read more about the Census see: http://goo.gl/W8a4Aa
Original url:
http://www.arkivverket.no/eng/The-National-Archives/About-us/News/Archived-news/1891-Census-finished

To search the census go to: http://tinyurl.com/p3yv2lm
Original url:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/finn_kilde?s=&;fra=1891&til=1891&kt[]=FOLK&format[]=ftr

Thank you to Dick Eastman and the Eastman Genealogy Online Newsletter for
informing of us about the census being available.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Social Security Death Index question #general

Trudy Barch
 

Hi genner friends,

I was working on Genealogy Bank Social Security Death INdex the other day
and have two questions.

1) Sometimes the last benefit paid location was different than the last
known residence (of the deceased. How come? Why not the same location?
2) Last known residence (of the deceased) said HC What does that stand for?

Thank you, Trudy Barch
Chicagoland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Social Security Death Index question #general

Trudy Barch
 

Hi genner friends,

I was working on Genealogy Bank Social Security Death INdex the other day
and have two questions.

1) Sometimes the last benefit paid location was different than the last
known residence (of the deceased. How come? Why not the same location?
2) Last known residence (of the deceased) said HC What does that stand for?

Thank you, Trudy Barch
Chicagoland


A German Jew In Palestine: Looking for Ludwig LEVI #germany

Liz Hanellin
 

Hello Fellow GerSIGers,

I am not sure whether this is the correct place for me to post this query,
but I am looking for records regarding Ludwig LEVI (b. April 10, 1909),
who emmigrated >from Germany to Palestine in 1933.

According to what I learned, >from someone in Germany who has access
to the documents regarding the fate of the Jews of Mannheim, Ludwig LEVI
left Germany on September 10, 1933.

In Palestine, he worked first as a construction worker; was an auxiliary
policeman >from 1937-1939; served in the British Army >from 1939-1946;
then later worked again as a construction worker.

How would I go about tracing this information on the Israel (or British?)
side?

As a matter of curiousity, I am curious about how this information came
to be known in Germany. If anyone has insight about this, I would also
welcome it.

Finally, does anyone know whether the date of September 10, 1933 is of
particular significance >from a German or German Jewish perspective?
A brother of Ludwig's emmigrated to Luxembourg on the same date.

As always, thanks for any and all advice you may have.

Best, Liz Hanellin, New York City Also researching: FRANKENTHALER


German SIG #Germany A German Jew In Palestine: Looking for Ludwig LEVI #germany

Liz Hanellin
 

Hello Fellow GerSIGers,

I am not sure whether this is the correct place for me to post this query,
but I am looking for records regarding Ludwig LEVI (b. April 10, 1909),
who emmigrated >from Germany to Palestine in 1933.

According to what I learned, >from someone in Germany who has access
to the documents regarding the fate of the Jews of Mannheim, Ludwig LEVI
left Germany on September 10, 1933.

In Palestine, he worked first as a construction worker; was an auxiliary
policeman >from 1937-1939; served in the British Army >from 1939-1946;
then later worked again as a construction worker.

How would I go about tracing this information on the Israel (or British?)
side?

As a matter of curiousity, I am curious about how this information came
to be known in Germany. If anyone has insight about this, I would also
welcome it.

Finally, does anyone know whether the date of September 10, 1933 is of
particular significance >from a German or German Jewish perspective?
A brother of Ludwig's emmigrated to Luxembourg on the same date.

As always, thanks for any and all advice you may have.

Best, Liz Hanellin, New York City Also researching: FRANKENTHALER


1930 Romania Census #romania

Matthew Herzog <matthewherzog85@...>
 

Hello,
Does anyone have any success with obtaining information about
individuals >from the 1930 general population census of Romania? I
searched online and got a lot of good statistics, but no individual
families were listed. According to the FamilySearch wiki, the records
are located in the National Archives. That information is found here:
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Romania_Census
I just want to know more about your experiences working with the
National Archives as it related to genealogical information,
specifically with regards to the census. Any steps related to
contacting and requesting research there will also be helpful.
Thank you,

Matthew
Orlando, Florida


Romania SIG #Romania 1930 Romania Census #romania

Matthew Herzog <matthewherzog85@...>
 

Hello,
Does anyone have any success with obtaining information about
individuals >from the 1930 general population census of Romania? I
searched online and got a lot of good statistics, but no individual
families were listed. According to the FamilySearch wiki, the records
are located in the National Archives. That information is found here:
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Romania_Census
I just want to know more about your experiences working with the
National Archives as it related to genealogical information,
specifically with regards to the census. Any steps related to
contacting and requesting research there will also be helpful.
Thank you,

Matthew
Orlando, Florida

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