Belarus Meeting at the IAJGS Conference #belarus #announcements


The annual Belarus meeting will be held at 2:45 pm (EST) on Monday, August 10.  The conference is virtual this year but you will still need to register for the conference to get a link to the meeting. 


Belarus Research Group




Re: My Heritage - Theory of Family Relativity #general

rv Kaplan

It's called the Theory of Family Relativity and was brought in with great fanfare a couple of 
years ago.

Harvey Kaplan

On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 at 20:14, Alyssa Freeman <tsiporah.shani@...> wrote:
Where on MH is the theory of family relativity? Are you referring to the Estimated relationships?
Alyssa Freeman
Richmond, VA

Re: Online trees #general

Marcel Apsel

I was long thinking to put my family trees on Geni and I speak about 8.000 names, but I won’t do it; I did extensive research on Geni and some far distant relation to whom I had once send a tree in gedcom put it on Geni without my permission; ok with recent generations he paid more attention to the privacy, but when I see what happened to that tree, I became horrified.  The tree is a shulent, kishke and kigel mixed together, where my father becomes my great-uncle, a wife is born 25 years later than the date when her husband passed away, parts of the tree are mixed with others, wrong writing of names, death dates are put it as birth dates, information added by one person is contradictory with information put in by others etc.   The principle to share family on a public tree is in principle a good idea, but the results are less, at least with my tree.  I feel a pity for all the geni administrators who have to clean out mistakes and non realistic input.  Conclusion: I keep my tree with me and family who wants to get a tree, I will share with them with a  PDF format.


Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium

Finding The Correct Record #general


Hi Cousins,

I'm having trouble figuring out which image is the one I need. I'm
hoping someone here has done this before and can help me. This whole
numbering system has me confused.

I'm looking for the birth record of Movsha-Meer MAJZLIN. The listing is
as follows:




Place Recorded: Mogilev
Year: 1872
Record Number: M259

The images are found here:

Which image is the one I want? That's what I can't figure out.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN,
KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ,
BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia);
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania);
CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)

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Re: My Heritage - Theory of Family Relativity #general

Dorann Cafaro

I have also never had any luck with Theory of Family Relativity and have a large number DNA matches.

Re: My Heritage - Theory of Family Relativity #general

Alyssa Freeman

Where on MH is the theory of family relativity? Are you referring to the Estimated relationships?
Alyssa Freeman
Richmond, VA

Re: Taking Photographs of Microfilm Reader Images at NYC Municipal Archives #photographs #general


I have been there many times. Initially I tried taking photos, but the staff is fairly alert and will reprimand you. Recently much of the microfilm has been indexed and you can see images online rather than using a microfilm reader (which are usually 50% out of commission and out of focus). The place is run on a shoestring clearly, and I have sympathy for the obvious fact they have no funding. At least the staff is helpful. My solution is to make up in advance a spreadsheet with identifiers for all the records I want to look up, and then when I have the image, enter the information in columns prepared for the data I need. The value to genealogists of marriage documents is to be able to decipher the names of the parents of both parties, addresses that help verify identities, and sometimes the officiant and witness names can be helpful as well. Birth and death record images can also contain unindexed information. Beware that this office has only the archived records that NYC allows to be public, and that NYC is very recalcitrant about liberating records that should be public by now (e.g. births only available to 1909). This office is separate from the Health Dept, which has later records and is much less public-friendly.
Susan Schwartz

The female Yiddish name Losche in the US? #names

Susan Goldsmith

Dear Genners
A female Losche Tobias emigrated to the States, arriving in 1914 from Swerzhen, now Belarus.  What might her American name be?
This is not a very common name.  I have checked Jewish given name websites.  I cannot find her in the 1915 NYS Census even though she went to an uncle in Brooklyn in 1914.
Thank you,
Susan Goldsmith



Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area, CA, USA
Researching GOLDSHMIDT, F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH, GITTES (GADIE,GADYE, GIDUSH, GITES) Seta, Jonava, Kaunas, Adustiskes, Zemaiciu Naumiestes, Keidainiai, Ukmerge, Vandziogala, Lithuania
HOROWITZ, DRASNIN (DRASNE) Dauhinava, Belarus; TOBIAS (TOUBES, TOBES, TAUBES) Novyy Swerzhen and Stowbtsy, Belarus; ROZANSKY, BILINSKY, MIRANSKY Iasevichi, Belarus
DAVIS, HAFFNER Botosani, Romania
WAXMAN (WAKSMAN), KOENIGSBERG Sandomierz, Ostrowiec Poland

Re: Naturalization Records for Samuel & Mary Babinski. #usa #records


Thank you for your quick response to my question, Sherri!  I’ve already researched & other websites.  I have almost reached the conclusion that my grandfather never was naturalized although I just received a very specific link within the NARA.  I will try this link before I put this question to rest.

Best wishes,

Marian Apple 🍎 

Re: My Heritage - Theory of Family Relativity #general

Max Heffler

I had some luck with it when it first came out. Haven’t looked at it in months. I probably should.


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Has anyone had any luck with this facility on My Heritage?  MH says:


Re: Taking Photographs of Microfilm Reader Images at NYC Municipal Archives #photographs #general

Max Heffler

Years ago I got LDS microfilm sent to a local Family History Library where they had a USB writer and I copied an entire film or two to USB and then created an indexing project and shared the index with JewishGen. I don’t know if NYC Municipal Archives has similar equipment.


Re: C- Files - US Naturalization Index care - what info on it? #general

David Oseas


If you have the C-file number, then you can skip the initial index search and go straight to a request for records.  However, see this cautionary note about errors locating file numbers:

as well as this article on how to find the correct number:


David Oseas

Re: Ancestry to be Acquired by Blackstone Group for $4.7 Billion #announcements

Peter Cherna

"Alternate asset manager" is a broad and loose term that includes venture capitalists and private equity fund managers. Imprecisely, it means managing money in ways other than buying and selling publicly traded stocks and bonds. 

(Tiny anecdote unrelated to your question, but my own name basically translates as "Black Stone". In the early days of the internet I tried to register "" but "some company or other" that I'd not heard of at the time beat me to it.)

ViewMate- Translation of German marriage record in Ukraine #germany #ukraine #translation

e weiss

I am trying to help  a Holocaust survivor find out more about her family.
I've posted two marriage records in German for which I need a translation. They are on ViewMate at the following address ...
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

E. Landau

Re: Is Ojzer and Ejzer the same name as Uscher? #general

Molly Staub

My father’s name was Usher Harast/Arost, becoming Oscar in the U.S. He had an uncle in Philadelphia also named Usher, and I have found several Jarast relatives in South America named Uscher. I have never found the spellings you posted. My father was from Dumbraveni, Soroki, Bessarabia. HOWEVER, I have recently discovered a large branch from Piotrkow, Poland with that name, spelled Jarost. I’m not an expert on Polish, but since your names include the letter J, perhaps that’s something you might pursue. Happy hunting,


 Molly Arost Staub   staubmolly@...


Re: Taking Photographs of Microfilm Reader Images at NYC Municipal Archives #photographs #general

Shelley Mitchell

Officially, this is not permitted. My first time there I discovered I could not copy with my phone. Since I was interested in the data and not the certificate, I just wrote down info. In the NYC Municipal Building, if you need a Naturalization done through their Supreme Court, you can photograph everything including the valuable Petition.

Re: Ancestry to be Acquired by Blackstone Group for $4.7 Billion #announcements

Laurie Sosna

Re: Austria will Allow Descendants of Holocaust Victims to Receive Citizenship Beginning September 1st #holocaust

Shelley Mitchell

This might be a silly question but I’m curious. I’ve several instances where Jews can apply for foreign citizenship while retaining US citizenship. My question is what would be the benefit of having a foreign citizenship?  Taxes?  Foreign Travel?


Re: Sperbers Galicia #galicia

Joseph Lonstein

Hi Hannah,

Do you know where in Galicia?  I'm searching for a Sperber family from Sieniawa, Galicia (now Poland).  There was a very large Sperber family in and near Zablotow and Ivano-Frankivsk (now Ukraine), although I can't yet find any connection to my Sieniawa family. 


Joe Lonstein

Re: Taking Photographs of Microfilm Reader Images at NYC Municipal Archives #photographs #general

Jacob Heisler

You don't actually need to go to the NYC Municipal Archives to get a
copy of those records. FamilySearch has them digitized, and while you
do need to visit a Family History Center to access the digitized
images, once you're there you can freely print or download the
records. FamilySearch specifically has birth records up to 1909,
one-page marriage certificates up to 1937, and death records up to
1948. The Archives alone have the three-page marriage licenses up to

As for the legality of prohibiting taking a picture of a public
record, that is a very good question I hope a more legal-literate
person can answer. Is it in fact legal for them to prohibit taking
pictures of public records?

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 8:04 PM <jedbrickner@...> wrote:

As many of us know, the NYC Municipal Archives charges about $15 for a certified stamped copy of a birth, marriage or death certificate, even if you go down to their office and find it yourself on their microfilm. I just care about the information and don't care about the certification. So taking a picture of the image on the microfilm reader screen would be fine for me. I called them and they said it was not allowed. Has anyone ever actually tried this in person? Any thoughts as to whether they can legally prohibit taking a picture of a public record?

Many thanks for your thoughts.

Jed Brickner

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