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Re: Percentages of ancestry - my Ashkenazi father seems to be partly of Italian/Greek descent? #dna

swerner@...
 

Many thanks, everyone!  Jill, you recommended getting my myDNA tested.  I have, it's V15a.  However, my furthest back known maternal line ancestress - my great-grandmother's great-grandmother - was from Ireland, probably from County Donegal to judge by her last name and her husband's last name.

I haven't been able to interest my brothers or nephews (the brothers' sons) in taking a Y-DNA test.  My furthest back known paternal line ancestor, who was presumably Ashkenazi, was my great-great-grandfather from (per family lore) David-Gorodok in the Minsk Gubernia.

SarahRose Werner
Saint John, New Brunswick 


Re: Warsaw birth record - house number but no street? #warsaw

Kris Murawski
 

This information is available on the 19th century Warsaw Homeowners‘ Lists. Those lists include the plot number, street name and house number for the real estate of the city of Warsaw.

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/WarszawaHomeowners.htm

To make it easy, I will be glad to provide you with the street address of the property if you send me the house number.
Kris Murawski
Raleigh, NC


Re: Survivors to Israel #holocaust #israel #romania

luc.radu@...
 

After WW2 there were about 435,000 Jews within the new borders of Romania. In 1965 via several waves of emigration, about 100,00 were left. I very much doubt such a list exists but likely Israeli immigration records do show the country of origin. Unless by survivors you do mean something else.

Luc Radu
Great Neck, NY


Re: Sharing family tree information #general

Robert Hanna
 

I couldn't care less if people steal my research or have misinformation in their tree.  I have several trees online.  I will share them with anybody, but don't allow anybody to write to them.  The only tree I can't control to a great extent is geni.com.  However, I do use it to find leads to information that I don't have.  But I don't treat it as factual information until I check it out.  I don't give out info on living people.  I don't give out info that I feel is secret.  I don't post pictures of living people without their permission.  And I don't post pictures of children ever.
 
Robert Hanna
NYC
 


Re: Nowy Dwow #russia

Peter Lobbenberg
 

Novy Dvor in Belarus, perhaps? (the Polish name is Nowy Dwor)

https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1947099

Peter Lobbenberg, London, UK


Looking for Pacht relatives /Bukovina #general

mpacht@...
 

My great uncle, isaac Pacht, wrote that he was born in Millie, Bukovina. His parents, Nathan Pacht and Beila Ruchel Hochstadt Pacht, were also born there. Nathan's father (I believe) was Solomon Lieb Pacht. If you have any information concerning these folks, please contact me! Thanks so much.

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Shklov Facebook Group #belarus

scott.kalmikoff@...
 

Hello,

I have created a Facebook group for fellow genealogists who are researching their Jewish roots in Shklov, Belarus. Our group is called “Jewish Families from Shklov, Belarus.” We have over 220 members. We post information about our families’ personal connection to Shklov. We also post information related to Shklov research. Members have used the group to find long lost relatives. If you would like to join us, visit this link to join the Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/587123374634396/


Re: Survivors to Israel #holocaust #israel #romania

LisaB
 

Good morning Marty:
I emailed to Israel a few days ago and got a good long list of references that might be helpful. If you send me your email I will forward it to you. 

N2dzine2@...
Lisa B


Nowy Dwow #russia

Jackie Wasserstein
 


I'm doing some research for a friend.  On the passenger manifest her grandmother is listed as coming from Nowy Dwow, Russia.  I tried the Jewishgen Gazeteer.  It couldn't find this town.  Anyone know where it was located?
 
Thanks so much.
 
Jackie Wasserstein


Re: Percentages of ancestry - my Ashkenazi father seems to be partly of Italian/Greek descent? #dna

adina@...
 

Some might say it implies some Sephardic heritage. I would be interested in matches to see if you have any that aren't Ashkenazi or connected to your mother's line. You can also upload to MyHeritage, and I would consider testing at Ancestry.


ID card microfilms reels for Lodz ghetto workers: searching link in Polish State Archives web site #lodz #holocaust

Bernard Flam
 

Hi from Paris,

You may know Lodz ghetto's Jewish administration left 800.000 pages of archives.

 

These archives have been microfilmed (ca 700 reels) and are available at USHMM where I discovered them ...ten years ago. Thanks again to Ms. Megan Lewis, reference librarian.

 

They are also available at Yad Vashem and for some years, directly online at Polish State Archives : https://szukajwarchiwach.pl/39/278/0#tabZespol

 

Ca. 13.000 individual ID cards for Lodz ghetto workers had been microfilmed on reel 673 to 695 and have been indexed by a JewishGen team a few years ago.

 

But for some unknown reason, I can't find these microfilms directly on PSA website: unit 1011 is empty and there is no indication where could be these microfilms?

 

Thanks for any idea?

 

Khavershaft

 

Bernard Flam

Archives and history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Bund / Workmen Circle) of France

 

Searching :

ZYSMAN, KRONENBERG, ROTTERSMAN around Lodz

FLAM, AGID, STOLTZ around Lemberg


Re: Warsaw birth record - why registered 3 months late? #warsaw

Jill Whitehead
 

The pattern of not recording births on time, or late by some months or years, that was practised in the old country continued into the new country, because our ancestors were distrustful of authority and the constant fear they may be asked to move on, or be arrested etc for whatever reason.

My Abrahams/Abrams (formerly Ceglaski) great grandparents came to Manchester, UK in 1867 from Suwalki, and eight of their nine children were born in Manchester. These children were all given certain dates of birth on their official birth records which in every case were completely at odds with the birth records given in their official school reports, and it may be that neither were correct. My grandmother Hannah always told her family her birthdate was 31st October 1875, but her English birth record gives it as February 1876. Her school records give another date again in between the two.

On my Guttenberg (later Graham) side, where my great grandfather Aaron came from Rajgrod to Hull in c 1865 to avoid the Tsar's draft, the birth of one of his sons was announced in the Jewish Chronicle at least one week before the date given on his official birth record. I never got to grips with the date on which Aaron was born as it was given in various Polish and other records any time between 1844 and 1850. As he had a wife and baby daughter when he came to Hull, it was unlikely he was born as late as 1850.

In the records on JRI Poland, I had problems working out if my great grand uncle Barnet Servian ne Baruch Serwianski from Sejny was born in 1855 or 1859. It transpired he was born in 1855 but his birth was registered in 1859.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Re: Percentages of ancestry - my Ashkenazi father seems to be partly of Italian/Greek descent? #dna

GEORGE MASON
 

Hello SarahRose,
Another thing to consider is that, after the conquest of Jerusalem in 78 CE, Jews spread through the Roman World. Gradually, the largest concentration of Jews formed in what is now Spain and Portugal. In the 1490's, the Jews were expelled from Spain and had to find other countries that would take them in. Some went to Egypt and the Middle East, some when up through France and Germany and Hungary into the Kingdom of Poland and Lithuania in the 1500's, and some went to Italy and Greece. So, perhaps you have a Sephardic Jewish ancestor in your family tree !
Good luck in your search.
George Mason
USA


Re: Warsaw birth record - house number but no street? #warsaw

Eva Lawrence
 

The general answer to the problem of locating the street when the only address given is a house number,  is to search for a series of address books for the town in question. At some stage in the town's history, there must have been a switch-over  from the old address system to a new one with street names as well as  numbers,  and  an address book  or directory would have been published to help citizens with the change. Koenig was a  prolific publisher of such books, but I've seen others. 
Local town and university  archives would usually have copies of old address books.
 
For German towns. try the link
 
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Portal:Adressbuch
 
A certain amount of patience is needed to navigate your way through.
 
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK


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Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Re: Percentages of ancestry - my Ashkenazi father seems to be partly of Italian/Greek descent? #dna

Jill Whitehead
 

Hi Sarah Rose,

The very small 3% for SE Europe probably relates to your deep ancestry from way back in time (it is too small to be reliable). It is very common in those of Jewish ancestry to have ancestry in SE Europe which includes Greece - a lot of Jewish lines travelled the Mediteranean with the ancient Greek empire . I also have a trace from SE Europe (11% on FTDNA).

However, not all the DNA websites agree and I have different interpretations of my results on FTDNA, 23andme, Ancestry and MyHeritage. Some do not give SE Europe at all, whereas others are more specific e.g. if you have a detailed K36 analysis (avialable on Gedmatch for free and on other sites for a small fee).

I suggest you get your maternal direct line (mtdna) tested and also a brother or father's direct male line (ydna) tested with FTDNA. This will give you further clues about ancient origins. This will give you the haplogroups (DNA tribes if you like) of your direct line ancestors, and where they originally came from. There are some very specific Jewish ones, some common but others rare.

FTDNA has a lot of info on its website about origins, and there are plenty of online guides, as well as papers and books on the subject.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Re: Where is Raisefka USSR #russia #poland

Bernard Flam
 

Hi from Paris,
Hello Ellen, hello Krzysztof,
You can get a much easier access with our alphabet to same Polish index by using this link to one of Stephen Morse's portal, thanks to his work :
https://stevemorse.org/siberia/siberia.html
I use it often and always find our Polish jewish parents who escaped to East into Russia after Poland invasion by 3rd Reich and Soviet Union in September 1939.
Ca. 250.000 fled in 1939, ca. 150.000 returned after 1945.
A lot of men had been enroled in Red Army and died (KIA, MIA), a lot of persons died from same starvation and diseases as russian people living there.
Khavershaft
Bernard Flam
Archives and history of Medem Center (Bund / Workmen Circle) of France
Searching : FLAM, AGID, STOLTZ around Lemberg / Lwow / Lviv
ZYSMAN, KRONENBERG, ROTTERSMAN around Lodz


Re: Illegitimate births circa 1840 #germany

Eva Lawrence
 

Laws about only allowing the oldest son to marry were certainly believed
to be in existence in some areas and in certain jurisdictions, whether
that was the case or not.
It's the only explanation I can think of for the fact that my 4xgreat
grandfather and his older brother lied about their relative ages on the
former's civil marriage record in 1832 in Bonn, Regierungsbezirk Coeln.
which had become part of Prussia in 1815, after years of checkered
history and French rule.
Anselm Ungar brought a one-year-old child into the marriage, while his
older brother Leopold, a witness on the record, was still unmarried.
The discrepancy caused all sorts of difficulties
on the family's later civil records, and I've not yet disentangled all
the facts about the whole episode.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK
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Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Kacska family #usa

janetvenuti@...
 

Ibrkieve the name was changed to Cohan or Cohen when they came to US


Looking for Lapes (Lopis, Lapis) Odessa/Ukraine 1880s #ukraine

david.lapes@...
 

Through the databases we have linked back to the USA and UK c. 1890. Lapis (via Yad-Vashem) seems to be spread throughout the Pale - but we don't have more definitive clues.

We have made some decent connections in the US post migration but no clear origins.

David Lapes - London

Lapes, Lapis, Lopis

William Lopis - 1840 (UKR)
Nathan Lapes - 1854 (UKR)

Descendents - Pugatsky, Lerner, Susman


Re: Davidic Ancestry in the First Century? #general

rv Kaplan
 

Hi Marcel

Even if she had a Jewish ancestor, it's unlikely to have made her mother Jewish, so it would be wrong to say that her children are Jewish.

Of course, many people in Europe and elsewhere had Jewish ancestry somewhere - which is now being indicated by dna testing - but it's really only academic.

best wishes

Harvey Kaplan


On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 02:07, Marcel Apsel <marcap@...> wrote:

Hi Harvey,

 

You have a point that Princess Kate is maybe not of Jewish descent.  I have been told some years ago that her maternal grandfather was of Jewish descent.  I found out tonight that her ancestor John Goldsmith lived in the East End.  The information I got years ago that a lot of Jews during the 17th and 18th century moved from Amsterdam (mostly Sefardi) and Northern Germany (mostly Ashkenazi) to London and settled in the East End of London.  During de following decades (mostly after 1750) a lot of Jews assimilated completely and tried to wipe out their Jewish connections.  I cannot proof anything  about John Goldsmiith and I am not looking forward to find a proof, even though he lived in the East End, but I have a personal experience with a colleague of our local Jewish Genealogical Society, whose family name is Jones and this family live in Belgium for almost 150 years, coming from the East End of London, where their ancestors settled about 100 years earlier (about 1750) and before then coming somewhere from Northern Germany.  He has done some research in London himself about 10-15 years ago with no really positive results.  He knows that ancestors of his (about 200 years ago) were called Jonathan and I told him that probably they wanted to Anglicize their name into a British sounding name and as hypothesis I told him that Jones was probably (with no proof) a phonetic adaption In English from Jonathan.  My conclusion is that plenty former Eastenders might be of Jewish descents, because at a certain moment they had a large community.  But again, this is only an assumption and not formal proof.

 

Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium