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(UK) Forces War Records New, Free Database on Hitler's Most Wanted #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

To mark the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain Day -September
15--, Forces War Records has a new, free records database containing the full
list of 144 pages of 2,820 people >from Hitler's Black Book of "enemies of
the state", traitors and more all marked for punishment or death. In reality
they were politicians, writes, emigres, known intelligence agents,
scientists and artists. The original name of the "book" in German is
'Sonderfahndungsliste GB which means most wanted list in Great Britain. Some
names that are familiar include Bernard Baruch, Vernon Bartlett >from the
Office of Jewish Affairs, Ralph Blumenfield >from the US, Sir Cadegon, head
of British Intelligence, Reverend Abraham Cohen and more. These people would
have been arrested if "Operation Sealion" had come to pass and Germany had
invaded the UK. It has been translated >from the original German.
To read more and see the list go to: http://tinyurl.com/nsp9bwh
Original url:
https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/hitlers-black-book?pk_campaign=email&pk_kwd=hitlers-black-book&dm_i=2US9,296W,1E8DSP,6FLH,1

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (UK) Forces War Records New, Free Database on Hitler's Most Wanted #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

To mark the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain Day -September
15--, Forces War Records has a new, free records database containing the full
list of 144 pages of 2,820 people >from Hitler's Black Book of "enemies of
the state", traitors and more all marked for punishment or death. In reality
they were politicians, writes, emigres, known intelligence agents,
scientists and artists. The original name of the "book" in German is
'Sonderfahndungsliste GB which means most wanted list in Great Britain. Some
names that are familiar include Bernard Baruch, Vernon Bartlett >from the
Office of Jewish Affairs, Ralph Blumenfield >from the US, Sir Cadegon, head
of British Intelligence, Reverend Abraham Cohen and more. These people would
have been arrested if "Operation Sealion" had come to pass and Germany had
invaded the UK. It has been translated >from the original German.
To read more and see the list go to: http://tinyurl.com/nsp9bwh
Original url:
https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/hitlers-black-book?pk_campaign=email&pk_kwd=hitlers-black-book&dm_i=2US9,296W,1E8DSP,6FLH,1

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Question about format of Texas marriage records between 1903-1935 #general

Ted Gostin <tgostin@...>
 

I am trying to find out if the limited format I am seeing for Texas marriage
records between the years 1903-1935 is the only information available.

I am searching for the marriages of several siblings born in Russia but
living in Texas in the early years of the 20th century. I have found a few
of these through a FamilySearch database, but the marriage records that are
digitized on FamilySearch (in this case for Harrison County) are quite
limited in scope. They contain a marriage license and marriage certificate,
but little personal information is presented about the bride and groom.
(The database in question is Texas, County Marriage Records, 1837-1977.)

Was there any more detailed document created that would list personal
information about bride and groom, such as an application for a marriage
license? Or is this limited format all the information that was collected
on Texas marriage records during these years? I am specifically looking for
a birthplace, and hoping to find a birthplace other than just the country.

Any help >from people more familiar with Texas records will be appreciated.

Ted Gostin
Sherman Oaks, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Question about format of Texas marriage records between 1903-1935 #general

Ted Gostin <tgostin@...>
 

I am trying to find out if the limited format I am seeing for Texas marriage
records between the years 1903-1935 is the only information available.

I am searching for the marriages of several siblings born in Russia but
living in Texas in the early years of the 20th century. I have found a few
of these through a FamilySearch database, but the marriage records that are
digitized on FamilySearch (in this case for Harrison County) are quite
limited in scope. They contain a marriage license and marriage certificate,
but little personal information is presented about the bride and groom.
(The database in question is Texas, County Marriage Records, 1837-1977.)

Was there any more detailed document created that would list personal
information about bride and groom, such as an application for a marriage
license? Or is this limited format all the information that was collected
on Texas marriage records during these years? I am specifically looking for
a birthplace, and hoping to find a birthplace other than just the country.

Any help >from people more familiar with Texas records will be appreciated.

Ted Gostin
Sherman Oaks, CA


Fall Education Courses at JewishGen #usa

Phyllis Kramer
 

We are pleased to announce our fall lineup.

All of our 4 week courses have something special that you won't find
elsewhere... a real instructor who will guide you 24/7 with your
branch research.

10/1-11/1 Dead Ends and Brick Walls - An Advanced class to review and
analyze your data and gain insights for new research.
11/15-12/15 Organize & Research Online - for Advanced Beginners...what
to do after you've gathered your documents >from Ancestry and FamilySearch

We also have 2 week text based classes for quick updates on your
research. We waive the tuition to those 'genners who have Value Added
Services (more info at
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11/1 - Basic 2: Search Strategies
1/4 - Basic 1: Exploring JewishGen

Some of the courses are open for registration now, others will be open
2-3 weeks before they start.
check it out: www.jewishgen.org/education

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Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager


KehilaLinks Project Report for May / June 2015 - ADDITIONAL INFORMATION #usa

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

Missing >from the KehilaLinks Project Report for May / June 2015:

KEHILALINKS WEBPAGES RECENTLY UPDATED:

Berehujfalu (Beregujfalu, Nove Selo), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Berehujfalu/
~~~

Bila Tserkva (Tiszafejeregyhaza, Bila Cirkev), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Bila_Tserkva/
~~~

Bilovartsi (Kiskirva, Belovarec), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Bilovartsi/
~~~

Bohdan (Tiszabogdany, Bogdan), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Bohdan/
~~~

Kalyny (Alsokalinfalva), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Kalyny/
~~~

Klyachanovo (Klacsano, Klicanovo), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Klyachanovo_Klacsano/
~~~

Kobylets'ka Polyana (Gyertyanliget, Kobylecka Polana), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Kobyletska_Polyana/
~~~

Lopukhiv (Brusztura, Brustura), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lopukhiv/
~~~

Lypcha (Lipcse, Lipca), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lypcha/
~~~

Lypetska Polyana (Lipcsemezo, Lipecka Pol'ana ), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lypetska_Polyana/
~~~

Muzhiyevo (Nagymuzsaly, Muzijovo), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Muzhiyevo/
~~~

Novoselytsya (Taracujfalu, Novoselice), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Novoselytsya_Taracujfalu/
~~~

Nyzhnye Selyshche (Alsoszelistye, Nizne Selist'e), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Nyzhnye_Selyshche/
~~~

Oleksandrivka (Osandorfalva, Sandrovo), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Oleksandrivka/
~~~

Oleshnyk (Szolosegres, Egres), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Oleshnyk/
~~~

Osiy (Szajkofalva, Osuj), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Osiy/
~~~

Radvanka (Radvancz, Radvanka), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Radvanka/
~~~

Roztoka (Alsohatarszeg, Nizni Roztoka), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Roztoka/
~~~

Sasovo (Tiszaszaszfalu, Sasfalovo), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Sasovo/
~~~

Serednye Vodiane (Kozepapsa, Apsa Stredni), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Serednye_Vodiane/
~~~

Teresva (Tarackoz), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Teresva/
~~~

Trosnyk (Tiszasasvar, Sasvar), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Trosnyk/
~~~

Tysobyken' (Tiszabokeny, Bykenie), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Tysobyken/
~~~

Uhlya (Uglya, Uhl'a), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Uhlya/
~~~

Velyatyn (Velete, Velatyn), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Velyatyn/
~~~

Vonihovo (Vajnag, Vonyhove), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Vonihovo/
~~~

Vynohradiv (Nagyszollos, Sevlus), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Vynohradiv/
~~~

Yasinya (Korosmezo, Jasina), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Yasinya/
~~~

Zarichovo (Drugethaza, Zaricov), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Zarichovo/
~~~

Susana Leistner Bloch, VP, KehilaLinks, JewishGen, Inc.


Early American SIG #USA Fall Education Courses at JewishGen #usa

Phyllis Kramer
 

We are pleased to announce our fall lineup.

All of our 4 week courses have something special that you won't find
elsewhere... a real instructor who will guide you 24/7 with your
branch research.

10/1-11/1 Dead Ends and Brick Walls - An Advanced class to review and
analyze your data and gain insights for new research.
11/15-12/15 Organize & Research Online - for Advanced Beginners...what
to do after you've gathered your documents >from Ancestry and FamilySearch

We also have 2 week text based classes for quick updates on your
research. We waive the tuition to those 'genners who have Value Added
Services (more info at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/ValueAdded.asp)
11/1 - Basic 2: Search Strategies
1/4 - Basic 1: Exploring JewishGen

Some of the courses are open for registration now, others will be open
2-3 weeks before they start.
check it out: www.jewishgen.org/education

Shana Tova.... Phyllis Kramer, VP, education phylliskramer1@gmail.com
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager


Early American SIG #USA KehilaLinks Project Report for May / June 2015 - ADDITIONAL INFORMATION #usa

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

Missing >from the KehilaLinks Project Report for May / June 2015:

KEHILALINKS WEBPAGES RECENTLY UPDATED:

Berehujfalu (Beregujfalu, Nove Selo), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Berehujfalu/
~~~

Bila Tserkva (Tiszafejeregyhaza, Bila Cirkev), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Bila_Tserkva/
~~~

Bilovartsi (Kiskirva, Belovarec), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Bilovartsi/
~~~

Bohdan (Tiszabogdany, Bogdan), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Bohdan/
~~~

Kalyny (Alsokalinfalva), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Kalyny/
~~~

Klyachanovo (Klacsano, Klicanovo), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Klyachanovo_Klacsano/
~~~

Kobylets'ka Polyana (Gyertyanliget, Kobylecka Polana), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Kobyletska_Polyana/
~~~

Lopukhiv (Brusztura, Brustura), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lopukhiv/
~~~

Lypcha (Lipcse, Lipca), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lypcha/
~~~

Lypetska Polyana (Lipcsemezo, Lipecka Pol'ana ), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Lypetska_Polyana/
~~~

Muzhiyevo (Nagymuzsaly, Muzijovo), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Muzhiyevo/
~~~

Novoselytsya (Taracujfalu, Novoselice), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Novoselytsya_Taracujfalu/
~~~

Nyzhnye Selyshche (Alsoszelistye, Nizne Selist'e), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Nyzhnye_Selyshche/
~~~

Oleksandrivka (Osandorfalva, Sandrovo), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Oleksandrivka/
~~~

Oleshnyk (Szolosegres, Egres), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Oleshnyk/
~~~

Osiy (Szajkofalva, Osuj), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Osiy/
~~~

Radvanka (Radvancz, Radvanka), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Radvanka/
~~~

Roztoka (Alsohatarszeg, Nizni Roztoka), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Roztoka/
~~~

Sasovo (Tiszaszaszfalu, Sasfalovo), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Sasovo/
~~~

Serednye Vodiane (Kozepapsa, Apsa Stredni), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Serednye_Vodiane/
~~~

Teresva (Tarackoz), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Teresva/
~~~

Trosnyk (Tiszasasvar, Sasvar), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Trosnyk/
~~~

Tysobyken' (Tiszabokeny, Bykenie), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Tysobyken/
~~~

Uhlya (Uglya, Uhl'a), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Uhlya/
~~~

Velyatyn (Velete, Velatyn), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Velyatyn/
~~~

Vonihovo (Vajnag, Vonyhove), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Vonihovo/
~~~

Vynohradiv (Nagyszollos, Sevlus), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Vynohradiv/
~~~

Yasinya (Korosmezo, Jasina), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Yasinya/
~~~

Zarichovo (Drugethaza, Zaricov), (S-C), Ukraine
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Zarichovo/
~~~

Susana Leistner Bloch, VP, KehilaLinks, JewishGen, Inc.


Seeking SCHMITT and WOJNSKI nee SELIG from Berlin & Augsaburg #germany

Mike Redel <redel.mike@...>
 

Dear gersigs,

did anyone know if this to persons are related. What are their parents.

Martha SCHMITT born SELIG
Born 12.11.1891 in Unna murdered 21.11.1942 in Dachau.
Martha lived in Erling and Augsburg.

Sara WOJNSKI born SELIG
Born 27.03.1890 in Unna, she lived in Berlin W 35 B=C3=BClowstrasse 48.

Whats happend with her? Thank you for helping Regards,

Mike Redel - Unna - Germany


German SIG #Germany Seeking SCHMITT and WOJNSKI nee SELIG from Berlin & Augsaburg #germany

Mike Redel <redel.mike@...>
 

Dear gersigs,

did anyone know if this to persons are related. What are their parents.

Martha SCHMITT born SELIG
Born 12.11.1891 in Unna murdered 21.11.1942 in Dachau.
Martha lived in Erling and Augsburg.

Sara WOJNSKI born SELIG
Born 27.03.1890 in Unna, she lived in Berlin W 35 B=C3=BClowstrasse 48.

Whats happend with her? Thank you for helping Regards,

Mike Redel - Unna - Germany


Fall Education Courses at JewishGen #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

We are pleased to announce our fall lineup.

All of our 4 week courses have something special that you won't find
elsewhere... a real instructor who will guide you 24/7 with your
branch research.

10/1-11/1 Dead Ends and Brick Walls - An Advanced class to review and
analyze your data and gain insights for new research.
11/15-12/15 Organize & Research Online - for Advanced Beginners...what
to do after you've gathered your documents >from Ancestry and FamilySearch

We also have 2 week text based classes for quick updates on your
research. We waive the tuition to those 'genners who have Value Added
Services (more info at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/ValueAdded.asp)
11/1 - Basic 2: Search Strategies
1/4 - Basic 1: Exploring JewishGen

Some of the courses are open for registration now, others will be open
2-3 weeks before they start.
check it out: www.jewishgen.org/education

Shana Tova....
Phyllis Kramer, VP, education
phylliskramer1@gmail.com
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fall Education Courses at JewishGen #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

We are pleased to announce our fall lineup.

All of our 4 week courses have something special that you won't find
elsewhere... a real instructor who will guide you 24/7 with your
branch research.

10/1-11/1 Dead Ends and Brick Walls - An Advanced class to review and
analyze your data and gain insights for new research.
11/15-12/15 Organize & Research Online - for Advanced Beginners...what
to do after you've gathered your documents >from Ancestry and FamilySearch

We also have 2 week text based classes for quick updates on your
research. We waive the tuition to those 'genners who have Value Added
Services (more info at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/ValueAdded.asp)
11/1 - Basic 2: Search Strategies
1/4 - Basic 1: Exploring JewishGen

Some of the courses are open for registration now, others will be open
2-3 weeks before they start.
check it out: www.jewishgen.org/education

Shana Tova....
Phyllis Kramer, VP, education
phylliskramer1@gmail.com
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager


Re: Edinet and Skazinet #general

Alan Shuchat
 

Perhaps Skazinets is now the town of Skazyntsi, Ukraine. You can find it in
Google maps, along highway P36 leading northeast out of Mogilev-Podolskiy.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

From: Marc Wilson <mw@marcwilson.co.uk>

The first location I am struggling with is the memorial / village of Skazinets
that is South of Mogilev on the Moldova-Ukraine border. I can not find it or
anything with a similar name on any current maps.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Edinet and Skazinet #general

Alan Shuchat
 

Perhaps Skazinets is now the town of Skazyntsi, Ukraine. You can find it in
Google maps, along highway P36 leading northeast out of Mogilev-Podolskiy.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

From: Marc Wilson <mw@marcwilson.co.uk>

The first location I am struggling with is the memorial / village of Skazinets
that is South of Mogilev on the Moldova-Ukraine border. I can not find it or
anything with a similar name on any current maps.


Fall Education Courses at JewishGen #germany

Phyllis Kramer
 

We are pleased to announce our fall lineup.

All of our 4 week courses have something special that you won't find
elsewhere... a real instructor who will guide you 24/7 with your
branch research.

10/1-11/1 Dead Ends and Brick Walls - An Advanced class to review and
analyze your data and gain insights for new research.
11/15-12/15 Organize & Research Online - for Advanced Beginners...what
to do after you've gathered your documents >from Ancestry and FamilySearch

We also have 2 week text based classes for quick updates on your
research. We waive the tuition to those 'genners who have Value Added
Services (more info at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/ValueAdded.asp)
11/1 - Basic 2: Search Strategies
1/4 - Basic 1: Exploring JewishGen

Some of the courses are open for registration now, others will be open
2-3 weeks before they start.
check it out: www.jewishgen.org/education

Shana Tova.... Phyllis Kramer, VP, education phylliskramer1@gmail.com
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager


German SIG #Germany Fall Education Courses at JewishGen #germany

Phyllis Kramer
 

We are pleased to announce our fall lineup.

All of our 4 week courses have something special that you won't find
elsewhere... a real instructor who will guide you 24/7 with your
branch research.

10/1-11/1 Dead Ends and Brick Walls - An Advanced class to review and
analyze your data and gain insights for new research.
11/15-12/15 Organize & Research Online - for Advanced Beginners...what
to do after you've gathered your documents >from Ancestry and FamilySearch

We also have 2 week text based classes for quick updates on your
research. We waive the tuition to those 'genners who have Value Added
Services (more info at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/ValueAdded.asp)
11/1 - Basic 2: Search Strategies
1/4 - Basic 1: Exploring JewishGen

Some of the courses are open for registration now, others will be open
2-3 weeks before they start.
check it out: www.jewishgen.org/education

Shana Tova.... Phyllis Kramer, VP, education phylliskramer1@gmail.com
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager


Re: Moldova, Moldavia, Bessarabia #romania

luc.radu@...
 

I would like to add an observation to the discussed issue related to
Romania and its Jews. Indeed these days with Google, Wikipedia & such it
is not complicated to figure out
from where ones ancestors came from, whether "Moldavia" or "Moldova" is
being used on JGEN and learn something about the "old country".

But is is important to have also some understanding of the fact,
notwithstanding the changes of borders, in particular between 1918 and
1940 and then after WW2,
culturally Jews in those places belonged to quite different traditions.
Of course, for Ashkenazi Jews Yiddish was at least to early 1900 the
language spoken at home everywhere.
BUT, Jews which attempted, with all the hardships, to succseed
professionally were different based on where came >from as follows:
a) Bessarabian Jews were Russian in culture and Russian and not at all
Romanian was the language they used;
b) Bukovina Jews were German/Austrian in culture whether living in
Cernauti or Gura HUmora or Suceava;
c) Old Kingdom Jews whether living in Iasi or Bucuresti were Romanian in
culture;
d) Transylvanian Jews were to a very large extent Magyarized (perhaps more
so in large cities like Cluj or Oradea and less so in Sibiu or Brasov,
where German may have been the language of choice;
e) Banat Jews were to some extent similar with Bukovina Jews;
f) Maramures may be the only place where Jews, which were farmers and wood
cutters, were using mostly Yiddish.
Of course, Sephardic Jews which lived mostly South of an imaginary line
going >from Timisoara to Bucuresti and Galati, were a different category
altogether speaking Ladino and being even more likely to adopt Romanian
language than AJ Jews.


Luc Radu
Great Neck

On 9/10/15, 7:47 PM, "Romania SIG on behalf of Rosanne Leeson
rdleeson@comcast.net" <rom-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

There is clearer definition needed to distinguish the present-day
Moldavia region of Romania, which is in Romania, and west of the Prut
River, >from the separate country, the Republic of Moldova, east of the
Prut River. The present day definitions are what are used on JewishGen.
Please notice the difference in spelling.

It is true that in the past the country borders etc. were different.It
is the old story of the man who was born in one country, married in
another, died in a third, and never left home! There are similar
problems with Polish, Galician and German records as well. There are
also the records in the west of what is now Romania, but was formerly
part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The majority of those civil
records are in Hungarian, and we let the Hungarian SIG work on those.

So, as Sorin has stated, it is important to learn a little history of
the area >from which your family came, to have the most success at
locating their family records. But we do all try to cooperate in
sending you to the best group, if it is possible.

Rosanne Leeson
Coordinator Rom-SIG
---------------------------------------------------

On 9/9/2015 2:07 PM, Yefim A Kogan yefimk@verizon.net wrote:
Dear Researchers,

I have received an email >from Marilyn (you can see part of the message
below), I am responding to the whole Bessarabia SIG, Rom-SIG, Ukraine
SIG
and to JewishGen Discussion group. The reason is that I am getting
similar
questions all the time, and I understand the confusion of Marilyn and
many
other Jewish Genealogists.

My goal is to clear this confusion. If you have questions after my
explanation, please do not hesitate to email me or the whole group.

Let's start with terminology.
The term Moldavia and Moldova mean the same region! Moldova is in
Romanian
language and Moldavia was adopted by Russian and other languages,
including
English. Charles King in "The Moldovans. Romania, Russia, and the
Politics
of Culture", Stanford U., 1999 writes that "It is a myth that Moldova
changed its name >from Moldavia. What happened in the 1990s was simply
that
we in the West became better informed about what locals themselves had
always called it."

So let's dive into the history of the region:

Moldavia is known as a country or Principality >from 14 century until
1812.
There were also two other Danube or Romanian Principalities Walachia
and
Transilvania. At some point in the history Moldavia joined other
Principalities. In 1538 Moldovia surrendered to Ottoman Empire, and
remained under Turks for about 300 years. It was not a colonization in
a
strict sense. Moldavia inhabitants exercise their Christian Orthodoxy,
Turks were not able to settle in the region, except in several fortified
towns on the border, and in far north and south parts of the region.

You can find details about the history, governments of the region at our
Bessarabia SIG website or directly at

http://www.jewishgen.org/Bessarabia/files/HistoryOfJewsInBessarabia15-19c
.pd
f

History of Jews in Bessarabia in the 15th to 19th Centuries Geography,
History, Social Status, 2008, Yefim Kogan
You also can find a set of historical maps on Moldova at Wikimedia at

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Maps_of_the_history_of_Moldov
a
and many more maps and articles on the topic of today?s discussion.

Here is a simple version (I probably missed a few details).
Starting >from 18 century Russia tried to influence Moldavia, occupied
it at
the end of 18 century, established military rule, fought many wars on
the
territory of Moldova with Ottomans. Finally Moldavia was divided in
1775,
when Austrian Empire occupied part of Moldova - Bukovina, and in 1812
Russian Empire received the eastern part of Moldavia, a region between
rivers Prut and Dnester. That region became Bessarabia Oblast and
later in
19c Bessarabia Gubernia (province).

In 1812 the rest of Moldova (western part) was still under Ottoman rule
until Moldavia and Walachia formed Romania. Romania was officially
recognized as an independent country in 1878.

One additional swap of lands: >from 1856-1878 south-western part of
Bessarabia went back to Moldova. That region included towns of Izmail,
Kiliya, Reni, Leovo, Kagul. You can see the map with that region on
page 4
of the article above.

Let's follow the history: until WWI nothing changed in the region.
After
WWI and Russian Revolution of 1917 and Russian Civil War, the region
of
North Bukovina and Bessarabia went back Romanian rule. This is why who
ever
lived in Bessarabia in 1920-1940 knows that they were born in Romania,
but
in many cases their parents who were born in the same shteitlakh, but
before
1917 know that they were born in Russia.

In 1940 Soviet Union took the lands of Bessarabia and North Bukovina
back.
This is the time that was formed Moldavskaya Sovetskaya
Sotsialisticheskaya
Respublika (MSSR, one of 15 Soviet Republics. MSSR Included most part
of
Bessarabia and a small region on the left side of Dniester River, now
called
Transnistria (with towns of Tiraspol, Rybnitsa, Kamenka, Slobodzeya,
Rashkov, etc.) Also south region of Bessarabia with towns of Akkerman,
Kiliya, Ismail, Reni, and far north region of Bessarabia with towns of
Khotin, Sokeryani, Klishkivtsi, Novoselitsa, etc. became part of Ukraine
Soviet Republic.

Here is my personal story >from my family who lived in what is
Bessarabia for
several centuries:
- I was born in the Soviet Union, Republic of Moldova;
- My parents were born in Romania;
- Grandparents were born in Russian Empire?

What's happening in 1990s you probably know well.

I hope I did not bored you?

Why we are confused?

- Our members are looking for information about their relatives, and
they
see that now Bessarabia Vital records database and Bessarabia Revision
List
database has more than 250,000 records. But if the towns the relatives
live
are Moinesti or Tirgu Ocna no records will be in the Bessarabia
Database!

The thing is that the Romania (Moldova) and Bessarabia (Republic of
Moldova
+ parts of Ukraine) have different genealogy. Bessarabian records are
written mostly in Russian or Russian and Hebrew, and Romanian (Moldova)
records most likely were written in Romanian.
Also most of the Bessarabian records are held in Chisinau (Kishinev,
this
is how I remember that town), and of course the Romanian records are
most
likely in Yassy, a provincial center in what used to be Moldova
Principality, and later a large center in Moldova region of Romania.

- The same names Moldova, or Moldavia are used for land in current
state of
Romania, that is the western part of Romania, as well as the whole
country
of Republic of Moldova.

I have suggested a number of times to JewishGen to avoid at least some
of
the confusions:
1. Rename the Romanian Database to Romania-Moldova Database or
Romania-Bessarabia Database
2. At the list of Romanian Databases there is a section Moldavia, but
it
should be Romania (Moldavia)
3. The section of Moldavia Vital Records should be renamed Romania
(Moldavia) Vital Records.
I believe that these small modifications will be very helpful.

If you have any questions or probably even more questions than before,
please let's discuss, send to me or to the group.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia SIG Coordinator
Researching KOGAN, SPIVAK, KHAYMOVICH, SRULEVICH, LEVIT in Kaushany,
Bendery, Tarutino, Akkerman, Kiliya - all in Bessarabia, KHAIMOVICH in
Galatz, Romania, KOGAN in Dubossary, Moldova, SRULEVICH in Shanghai,
China



---------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Moldova Cem. Project

Hello Yefim,
I've been following this project and appreciate your more complete break
down in today's Jewishgen Digest. I did contribute to Bob Wascou
before he
passed. The reason for this message is that I'm confused. My family
were
from Moinesti and Tirgu Ocna, both near each other in Moldova. However,
this area was not Bessarabia. ?..

Can you explain what areas of Moldova are covered other than Bessarabia
and
Chisanou (sp.).
Many Thanks,
Marilyn Newman
Florida, formerly Pittsburgh


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Romania SIG #Romania Re: Moldova, Moldavia, Bessarabia #romania

luc.radu@...
 

I would like to add an observation to the discussed issue related to
Romania and its Jews. Indeed these days with Google, Wikipedia & such it
is not complicated to figure out
from where ones ancestors came from, whether "Moldavia" or "Moldova" is
being used on JGEN and learn something about the "old country".

But is is important to have also some understanding of the fact,
notwithstanding the changes of borders, in particular between 1918 and
1940 and then after WW2,
culturally Jews in those places belonged to quite different traditions.
Of course, for Ashkenazi Jews Yiddish was at least to early 1900 the
language spoken at home everywhere.
BUT, Jews which attempted, with all the hardships, to succseed
professionally were different based on where came >from as follows:
a) Bessarabian Jews were Russian in culture and Russian and not at all
Romanian was the language they used;
b) Bukovina Jews were German/Austrian in culture whether living in
Cernauti or Gura HUmora or Suceava;
c) Old Kingdom Jews whether living in Iasi or Bucuresti were Romanian in
culture;
d) Transylvanian Jews were to a very large extent Magyarized (perhaps more
so in large cities like Cluj or Oradea and less so in Sibiu or Brasov,
where German may have been the language of choice;
e) Banat Jews were to some extent similar with Bukovina Jews;
f) Maramures may be the only place where Jews, which were farmers and wood
cutters, were using mostly Yiddish.
Of course, Sephardic Jews which lived mostly South of an imaginary line
going >from Timisoara to Bucuresti and Galati, were a different category
altogether speaking Ladino and being even more likely to adopt Romanian
language than AJ Jews.


Luc Radu
Great Neck

On 9/10/15, 7:47 PM, "Romania SIG on behalf of Rosanne Leeson
rdleeson@comcast.net" <rom-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

There is clearer definition needed to distinguish the present-day
Moldavia region of Romania, which is in Romania, and west of the Prut
River, >from the separate country, the Republic of Moldova, east of the
Prut River. The present day definitions are what are used on JewishGen.
Please notice the difference in spelling.

It is true that in the past the country borders etc. were different.It
is the old story of the man who was born in one country, married in
another, died in a third, and never left home! There are similar
problems with Polish, Galician and German records as well. There are
also the records in the west of what is now Romania, but was formerly
part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The majority of those civil
records are in Hungarian, and we let the Hungarian SIG work on those.

So, as Sorin has stated, it is important to learn a little history of
the area >from which your family came, to have the most success at
locating their family records. But we do all try to cooperate in
sending you to the best group, if it is possible.

Rosanne Leeson
Coordinator Rom-SIG
---------------------------------------------------

On 9/9/2015 2:07 PM, Yefim A Kogan yefimk@verizon.net wrote:
Dear Researchers,

I have received an email >from Marilyn (you can see part of the message
below), I am responding to the whole Bessarabia SIG, Rom-SIG, Ukraine
SIG
and to JewishGen Discussion group. The reason is that I am getting
similar
questions all the time, and I understand the confusion of Marilyn and
many
other Jewish Genealogists.

My goal is to clear this confusion. If you have questions after my
explanation, please do not hesitate to email me or the whole group.

Let's start with terminology.
The term Moldavia and Moldova mean the same region! Moldova is in
Romanian
language and Moldavia was adopted by Russian and other languages,
including
English. Charles King in "The Moldovans. Romania, Russia, and the
Politics
of Culture", Stanford U., 1999 writes that "It is a myth that Moldova
changed its name >from Moldavia. What happened in the 1990s was simply
that
we in the West became better informed about what locals themselves had
always called it."

So let's dive into the history of the region:

Moldavia is known as a country or Principality >from 14 century until
1812.
There were also two other Danube or Romanian Principalities Walachia
and
Transilvania. At some point in the history Moldavia joined other
Principalities. In 1538 Moldovia surrendered to Ottoman Empire, and
remained under Turks for about 300 years. It was not a colonization in
a
strict sense. Moldavia inhabitants exercise their Christian Orthodoxy,
Turks were not able to settle in the region, except in several fortified
towns on the border, and in far north and south parts of the region.

You can find details about the history, governments of the region at our
Bessarabia SIG website or directly at

http://www.jewishgen.org/Bessarabia/files/HistoryOfJewsInBessarabia15-19c
.pd
f

History of Jews in Bessarabia in the 15th to 19th Centuries Geography,
History, Social Status, 2008, Yefim Kogan
You also can find a set of historical maps on Moldova at Wikimedia at

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Maps_of_the_history_of_Moldov
a
and many more maps and articles on the topic of today?s discussion.

Here is a simple version (I probably missed a few details).
Starting >from 18 century Russia tried to influence Moldavia, occupied
it at
the end of 18 century, established military rule, fought many wars on
the
territory of Moldova with Ottomans. Finally Moldavia was divided in
1775,
when Austrian Empire occupied part of Moldova - Bukovina, and in 1812
Russian Empire received the eastern part of Moldavia, a region between
rivers Prut and Dnester. That region became Bessarabia Oblast and
later in
19c Bessarabia Gubernia (province).

In 1812 the rest of Moldova (western part) was still under Ottoman rule
until Moldavia and Walachia formed Romania. Romania was officially
recognized as an independent country in 1878.

One additional swap of lands: >from 1856-1878 south-western part of
Bessarabia went back to Moldova. That region included towns of Izmail,
Kiliya, Reni, Leovo, Kagul. You can see the map with that region on
page 4
of the article above.

Let's follow the history: until WWI nothing changed in the region.
After
WWI and Russian Revolution of 1917 and Russian Civil War, the region
of
North Bukovina and Bessarabia went back Romanian rule. This is why who
ever
lived in Bessarabia in 1920-1940 knows that they were born in Romania,
but
in many cases their parents who were born in the same shteitlakh, but
before
1917 know that they were born in Russia.

In 1940 Soviet Union took the lands of Bessarabia and North Bukovina
back.
This is the time that was formed Moldavskaya Sovetskaya
Sotsialisticheskaya
Respublika (MSSR, one of 15 Soviet Republics. MSSR Included most part
of
Bessarabia and a small region on the left side of Dniester River, now
called
Transnistria (with towns of Tiraspol, Rybnitsa, Kamenka, Slobodzeya,
Rashkov, etc.) Also south region of Bessarabia with towns of Akkerman,
Kiliya, Ismail, Reni, and far north region of Bessarabia with towns of
Khotin, Sokeryani, Klishkivtsi, Novoselitsa, etc. became part of Ukraine
Soviet Republic.

Here is my personal story >from my family who lived in what is
Bessarabia for
several centuries:
- I was born in the Soviet Union, Republic of Moldova;
- My parents were born in Romania;
- Grandparents were born in Russian Empire?

What's happening in 1990s you probably know well.

I hope I did not bored you?

Why we are confused?

- Our members are looking for information about their relatives, and
they
see that now Bessarabia Vital records database and Bessarabia Revision
List
database has more than 250,000 records. But if the towns the relatives
live
are Moinesti or Tirgu Ocna no records will be in the Bessarabia
Database!

The thing is that the Romania (Moldova) and Bessarabia (Republic of
Moldova
+ parts of Ukraine) have different genealogy. Bessarabian records are
written mostly in Russian or Russian and Hebrew, and Romanian (Moldova)
records most likely were written in Romanian.
Also most of the Bessarabian records are held in Chisinau (Kishinev,
this
is how I remember that town), and of course the Romanian records are
most
likely in Yassy, a provincial center in what used to be Moldova
Principality, and later a large center in Moldova region of Romania.

- The same names Moldova, or Moldavia are used for land in current
state of
Romania, that is the western part of Romania, as well as the whole
country
of Republic of Moldova.

I have suggested a number of times to JewishGen to avoid at least some
of
the confusions:
1. Rename the Romanian Database to Romania-Moldova Database or
Romania-Bessarabia Database
2. At the list of Romanian Databases there is a section Moldavia, but
it
should be Romania (Moldavia)
3. The section of Moldavia Vital Records should be renamed Romania
(Moldavia) Vital Records.
I believe that these small modifications will be very helpful.

If you have any questions or probably even more questions than before,
please let's discuss, send to me or to the group.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia SIG Coordinator
Researching KOGAN, SPIVAK, KHAYMOVICH, SRULEVICH, LEVIT in Kaushany,
Bendery, Tarutino, Akkerman, Kiliya - all in Bessarabia, KHAIMOVICH in
Galatz, Romania, KOGAN in Dubossary, Moldova, SRULEVICH in Shanghai,
China



---------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Moldova Cem. Project

Hello Yefim,
I've been following this project and appreciate your more complete break
down in today's Jewishgen Digest. I did contribute to Bob Wascou
before he
passed. The reason for this message is that I'm confused. My family
were
from Moinesti and Tirgu Ocna, both near each other in Moldova. However,
this area was not Bessarabia. ?..

Can you explain what areas of Moldova are covered other than Bessarabia
and
Chisanou (sp.).
Many Thanks,
Marilyn Newman
Florida, formerly Pittsburgh


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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~~~
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nASSn4rDXh4
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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to the JewishGen Romania SIG Funds
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We are pleased to announce our fall lineup.

All of our 4 week courses have something special that you won't find
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analyze your data and gain insights for new research.
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to do after you've gathered your documents >from Ancestry and FamilySearch

We also have 2 week text based classes for quick updates on your
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