Segel- name or title #names


The name "Segel" is said to have also been an honorific sometimes added
to surnames of rabbinical-levitical families.
Is anyone aware of the tradition surrounding the use of it?
-Ari Dale

Re: JewishGen Discussion Group re: KAMINSKY #russia

Paul Shapiro

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 12:07 PM, @vshklyarnik wrote:
Thanks so much for this very detailed response.  It does seem possible that Reizl could be Rose.  She did live on Henry St at one point, so very possible that she could be related to the person at 100 Henry St.  I have not spent enough time researching my Russian roots to really follow all of the other hints that you've described but I've saved this email and will follow up and try to discover more as I am able.

Thanks again,
Paul Shapiro

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Chuck Weinstein

Birth, marriage, and death records for Zhitomir are in the archives in that city.  The Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People in Jerusalem has film of birth records through 1907.  Alex Krakovsky has posted Revision List scans for Zhitomir, but he has not yet been able to film metrical records, as of yet.  When the archives reopen, we expect to see more records from Zhitomir. Marriage records from 1895-1916 have been acquired by Ukraine Research Division from the CAHJP and indexes will be posted to the JewishGen Ukraine database when they are ready.  

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, JewishGen Ukraine Research Division

Re: 50 State Survey Finds One Out of 10 Millennials and Generation Z Didi Not Recall Word 'Holocaust: or Basic Facts of the Genocide #announcements # holocaust #announcements #usa


I went to school in New Jersey in the 50's and there was very little taught about World War II and later.  I guess they made the ridiculous assumption that since it was relatively recent we all knew about it. I was one year old when the war ended and don't remember anything about it :)

Bob Malakoff
Pittsburgh, PA

Re: 50 State Survey Finds One Out of 10 Millennials and Generation Z Didi Not Recall Word 'Holocaust: or Basic Facts of the Genocide #announcements # holocaust #announcements #usa

Sam G.

Prof. Lipstadt hits the nail on the head when she states: "These lessons remain relevant today in order to understand not only anti-Semitism, but also all the other 'isms' of society. There is real danger to letting them fade."

I belatedly came to recognize my obligation as a Second Genner to use the sordid history to stir the Millenial and Gen Z demographic to recognize the code words being spread online. These are mere retreads of the kind of hate speech my late father encountered as a ten-year old in Ilmenau, (Thuringia) Germany. If these young people do not know history, they will miss the point:  repetitive racist tropes are mere words, but when left unchallenged, lead to belief in conspiracies--and worse, misguided action by "true believers". We recently saw it play out by a 17-year-old in the streets of Kenosha, Wis. 

On the 50th anniversary of Kristallnacht, my father, noting that the name of a former Grand Wizard of the KKK was on the presidential ballot, rhetorically asked: "It can't happen here? That's what my parents thought too." Less than four years after hoodlums smashed windows of Jewish homes and businesses throughout Germany,  my grandparents were forced onto a transport on May 10, 1942 , culminating in their eventual murder somewhere "in the east".

The lesson that bears repeating is that the time to amplify Holocaust history is the moment we read and hear words of hate, division, xenophobia and support for authoritarian government. You can't blame the adherents of the "isms" Prof. Lipstadt refers to because ignorance.  The aim of my recent memoir, Loss and Legacy,  is to educate them. As I write: "Our father left us an indelible truth: Mere words laid the groundwork for what was to become the most heinous example of mankind's inhumanity."

-Amnon Gronner, USA

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Gary Pokrassa

regarding Odessa - there are index files (in Cyrillic) posted by Alex Krakovsky atАрхіви/ДАОО/39/6

regarding Zhitomir - there are index files (in Cyrillic) posted by Alex Krakovsky atАрхіви/ДАЖО/67/

Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division

Re: Searching Michael GOLDSMITH Volochysk/Podvolochisk #ukraine

Adam Turner

There are currently virtually no records from Volochysk in the JewishGen Ukraine database, outside of a handful of people listed in the Vsia Rossiia business directory and a few cases of people from Volochysk who are mentioned in the vital records of other towns and cities. Maybe Alex Krakovsky's wiki will eventually have more; at the moment, I think the only Volochysk records on his wiki are from a census list covering all of that district. There is also some good info on the Volochysk KehilaLink.

Pidvolochysk was part of Austria-Hungary until World War I, and consequently many of its records have been translated and indexed by JRI-Poland and Gesher Galicia, where they can be searched.

Adam Turner

Re: Info and questions please #general #russia

Alan Shuchat

In addition to Kherson having been a gubernia in southern Ukraine, it is a city that was the capital of the gubernia. Odessa is a city that was in that gubernia.
Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

Re: DNA results vs records #dna

Jill Whitehead

If Elaine's ancestors came from New East Prussia, the area around Konigsberg, now Kaliningrad, she would have been on the borders of the Suwalki Lomza gubernias in NE Poland which used to be in Lithuania in medieval times, but went through several different ownerships in the 18th and 19th centuries (Prussian, Napoleon, and Russia's Pale of Settlement) and then formed part of the front line in both WW1 and WW2 between Germany and the Allies . in 1919, the northern part of these gubernias returned from Poland to Lithuania. The border changes were very fluid over many centuries and Russia held sway for much of the 19th century in this area.

It was common for those coming from Suwalki Lomza to say they came from Konigsberg/New East Prussia when they went West in the 19th century. All my eight great grandparents came from these gubernias and all of them emigrated to the UK between 1865 and 1875. Some of them said they came from New East Prussia, as likely they were smuggled over the border and likely they sailed across the Baltic from Konigsberg. And their homeland was part of Prussia in their parents' time, but then later on became part of Russia. My ancestors' census and naturalization information say they came from Russian Poland on the whole, because when they arrived Poland was part of the Russian Pale of Settlement.

Depending which DNA provider you go with you get different results - they are not attuned to Jewish DNA and you need more sensitive analysis which can be provided by some specialist DNA providers (I have had this done). On Ancestry (which in my view is the least sensitive), 23andme, FTDNA and My Heritage, I am given wildly different ancestry make ups varying from 100% Ashkenazi to seven eighths Ashkenazi/one eighth Sephardic and to 89% Ashkenazi and 11% Russian/East European. It depends on the reference populations the companies use. And some of the reference populations may self -identify with one country or another, depending who ruled when their families left. Or who rules it today. 

I would take most of the DNA results from the big companies with a barge pole as none of them agree with each other. But at the end of the day it is the combination of the paper trail and DNA results that counts. You need to track your family tree by tried and trusted means before trying to match them to DNA.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Searching Michael GOLDSMITH Volochysk/Podvolochisk #ukraine

Sherri Bobish

Pevsner family in Zaporozky , Ukraine #ukraine

Joan Kadonoff

Looking for any records of my Pevsner family, grandfather Gershon and his son Mordecai . Mordecai and his brothers owned a department store there which was burned down in a program in the early 1900 s . The brothers left What was then Russia and my Grandfather Mordecai( Max)came to Montreal. The Russian government allowed compensation for the building and one brother went back to claim it .

Joan Kadonoff

Looking for Yaakov Rotem — Yad Vashem testimonies reporter #holocaust #galicia


Looking for Yaakov Rotem (or relative) Yad Vashem testimonial reporter who reported murders of Wilder family members from Lwow.
Nina Talbot, Brooklyn, NY

Re: LAKOBOVIC or JAKOBOVIC? #names #russia #ukraine

Harvey Kabaker

Also, perhaps this is the way the clerk wrote a capital I, and made a capital L with a longer leg, but we would need to examine more of her or his work to confirm it.

BTW, I don't think the Kabakiers/Kabakers are related to Kabaks or Kabakoffs, Kabakovs, etc.

Harvey Kabaker
Silver Spring, Md.

Re: Ordering USCIS records for appeal/rehearing


Hi Judy,


Let me try to reply to your questions:

1) Is there likely to be any correspondence about this case?


There was correspondence in 1906 because the file is indexed in an index to correspondence.  The only questions are whether it survives, and whether it can be found.

2) If so, is 50,030-1 the index case number, in which case I can use it on a Genealogy Records Request USCIS Form G-1041A to see if there is any correspondence about this?  or do I have to still submit a request to find the index case number?


Yes, the file number referenced (50030-1) is the number needed to request the file from the National Archives (do not request from USCIS!).  


All the INS immigration correspondence prior to 1957 has transferred to NARA and falls into either the Letters Received, 1882-1906 (NAID 1564919) OR the Subject Correspondence 1906-1957 (NAID 559947).  Because you have a number from 1906 we don’t know in which it will be found (assuming it survives).  So you’ll need to provide the file number and BOTH possible locations.


Since NARA is closed, I suggest you send a request via their “Your Inquiry” form here:

Write your request in the text box, and provide the following citation:

RG 85

NAID 1564919  - OR -  NAID 559947

File # 50030-1


Be sure to provide your email/phone number.  They’ll let you know if they find it or not, and if there are any copying fees (I don’t know if there are).

3) What is Section 11?


Section 11 of the Immigration Act of March 3, 1903.  They are citing it as the authority for some action in that case.  You’ll find the text of section 11 on page 1216 of this online PDF , where it is summarized as “Return of alien accompanying rejected, helpless, etc., alien.”  Presumably, this is the authority to deport Shmuel to accompany Wolf back to where they came from.

Good luck!

Marian Smith

Re: LAKOBOVIC or JAKOBOVIC? #names #russia #ukraine

Harvey Kabaker

Often a capital I appears in transliterations, because the name was
pronounced Yacovitch. The Anglicized name was Jacovitch or Jacobitch, or

From there, the capital I was mistaken for a lower case l (see what I
mean?), and incorrectly rewritten as a capital L.

Harvey Kabaker

Silver Spring, Md.

Yizkor Book on the History of Bar, Ukraine - Translated and Now Available Digitally #yizkorbooks #ukraine #holocaust #announcements

Stefani Elkort Twyford

In September 2019, one of my researchers, made a visit to Bar Ukraine and purchased a newly released book on the history of Bar written by Bar historian Mikhail Kupershteyn. The original book is written in Ukrainian. I quickly got in touch with Mr. Kupershteyn who gave me permission to have the book translated into English and made available to Jewish researchers. The book is now fully translated, reformatted and available as a PDF.  I've also included a name index at the end of the translation to identify all the surnames in the book. That list can be seen here.

The book is a magnum opus spanning from early 1500s up through modern day. It covers such topics as:

  • historical chronology of the city

  • the shtetl, synagogue, cemetery and market

  • what community life was like, a Jewish home and Jewish traditions

  • pogroms, occupations and memories of witnesses

  • Jews on the frontlines of WWII

  • development of the Jewish society from the end of the 19th century up to the 1940s

  • society in the post war period including later history of the community, prominent Jews from Bar and the Yiddish community

Many family names appear in stories, lists of pogrom and war victims, famous citizens from Bar and other anecdotes. The book is a fascinating glimpse into the life of our ancestors and includes numerous photographs and maps. 
One of my DNA cousins described this book as "an extraordinary work of dedication, love and scholarship." I'm sure you will agree.

Currently the digital PDF of this book is available to researchers for a $50 or larger donation to the JewishGen -  Bar, Ukraine Records Project. Remember that your donation is tax deductible. To get to the fundraising page, click on this link or log in to your JewishGen account and click on the far-right tab labeled Donate. In the right hand JewishGen Projects, click on Ukraine. Our project is the third listed: Bar, Ukraine Records Project.  To take advantage of this offer, when you receive your receipt for the donation from JewishGen, email it to me at bargenealogy@... and I’ll email you the PDF.

Soon the book will be available for purchase in a hard cover version through JewishGen's Yizkor Books Print on Demand program.

L'Shana Tova


Stefani Elkort Twyford

Researching: Siegal/Sigal, Spiel, Tarle, Ilkovics, Feiermann, Kronenberg, Szerman, Kletzel, Ricker/Ricken, Spiro

Re: 50 State Survey Finds One Out of 10 Millennials and Generation Z Didi Not Recall Word 'Holocaust: or Basic Facts of the Genocide #announcements # holocaust #announcements #usa

Elise Cundiff

I don't agree that the example cited is a distortion in any way.   Perhaps include those who thought 20 million in those who were aware of the magnitude of the  disaster - but if the question is, "how many?" and the answers are far less than 6 million that is indeed of some concern.  

It is true that too many Americans, not just those two generations,  seem to have a general ignorance and lack of understanding of history, including pertinent American history.   Our educational system is failing in that.

I had a younger co-worker (who had previously made a few vaguely anti- semitc comments to me before) tell me that  "Jews need to get over it" because it was so long ago.
She had no response when I pointed out that my two oldest brothers, along with my parents and grandparents, would have been killed - and that didn't seem so long ago to me.    

Re: DNA results vs records #dna

Sally Bruckheimer

My mother said her mother's family came from Latvia - they were Litvaks after all. She thought Litvaks came from Latvia. Of course, her family weren't from Latvia at all (as far back as I could go), but culturally they were Litvaks, meaning Lithuania (the U in Lithuania is the V in Litvak, originally the same letter). So your mother might be right, or not. Only finding records of your family will tell you who they were and where they really lived.

Our ancestors moved around a lot more than we often think, and not just to the next town over. My family above came to Augustow district of the Kingdom of Poland from somewhere in Russia proper.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: LAKOBOVIC or JAKOBOVIC? #names #russia #ukraine

David Jacobowitz

I took a look at the Ohio Marriage record. Surely the recording clerk was incompetent, the informants' accents were incomprehensible, or the record is for other people.

Your family seems to be on Anita Carol Rosenberg's Ancestry tree:

 Since I have an interest in the Jacobowitz name, I put up a list of variant spellings at

None of these has an initial L. I think that J is probably correct. It would have been pronounced as Y, and perhaps misheard as L.

David Jacobowitz


Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Adam Cherson

On understanding ethnicity and admixture reports, please see my post Deciphering Ancient Jewish Origins Using Genography

Adam Cherson

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