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JewishGen Offers New Class April 6 - April 27 #courland #latvia

Nancy Holden
 

Start Up: Research it Right the First Time
April 6 - April 27

This Course offers personal guidance on researching and organizing
your family search. The focus is your immigrant ancestors and their
immediate families in the United States. We cover census, vital
records, passenger manifests and genealogical searching on the
internet. If you want to find the names of your immigrant's parents,
their former shtetl, passenger records or extended family, then
consider this 3 week course.

We feature an online FORUM where you are guided by the instructor in
a one-on-one discussion of your work as you research your family
roots. Our classes have no scheduled times as our students are
international; enabling everyone to read/view/post at leisure.

Requirements: Students must be comfortable browsing the Internet and
downloading files and have 8-10 hours per week to read the lessons,
search online and interact with the FORUM.

Tuition for this U.S. Genealogy Course is $100 (there is no waiver
for this course). Registration is open.
https://www.jewishgen.org/education
Click on the "Enroll Here" link

Class size limited
For questions, please email us at JewishGen-Education@...

Nancy Holden
nholden@...


JewishGen Offers New Class April 6 - April 27 #southafrica

Nancy Holden
 

Start Up: Research it Right the First Time
April 6 - April 27

This Course offers personal guidance on researching and organizing
your family search. The focus is your immigrant ancestors and their
immediate families in the United States. We cover census, vital
records, passenger manifests and genealogical searching on the
internet. If you want to find the names of your immigrant's parents,
their former shtetl, passenger records or extended family, then
consider this 3 week course.

We feature an online FORUM where you are guided by the instructor in
a one-on-one discussion of your work as you research your family
roots. Our classes have no scheduled times as our students are
international; enabling everyone to read/view/post at leisure.

Requirements: Students must be comfortable browsing the Internet and
downloading files and have 8-10 hours per week to read the lessons,
search online and interact with the FORUM.

Tuition for this U.S. Genealogy Course is $100 (there is no waiver
for this course). Registration is open.
https://www.jewishgen.org/education
Click on the "Enroll Here" link

Class size limited
For questions, please email us at JewishGen-Education@...

Nancy Holden
nholden@...


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia JewishGen Offers New Class April 6 - April 27 #courland #latvia

Nancy Holden
 

Start Up: Research it Right the First Time
April 6 - April 27

This Course offers personal guidance on researching and organizing
your family search. The focus is your immigrant ancestors and their
immediate families in the United States. We cover census, vital
records, passenger manifests and genealogical searching on the
internet. If you want to find the names of your immigrant's parents,
their former shtetl, passenger records or extended family, then
consider this 3 week course.

We feature an online FORUM where you are guided by the instructor in
a one-on-one discussion of your work as you research your family
roots. Our classes have no scheduled times as our students are
international; enabling everyone to read/view/post at leisure.

Requirements: Students must be comfortable browsing the Internet and
downloading files and have 8-10 hours per week to read the lessons,
search online and interact with the FORUM.

Tuition for this U.S. Genealogy Course is $100 (there is no waiver
for this course). Registration is open.
https://www.jewishgen.org/education
Click on the "Enroll Here" link

Class size limited
For questions, please email us at JewishGen-Education@...

Nancy Holden
nholden@...


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica JewishGen Offers New Class April 6 - April 27 #southafrica

Nancy Holden
 

Start Up: Research it Right the First Time
April 6 - April 27

This Course offers personal guidance on researching and organizing
your family search. The focus is your immigrant ancestors and their
immediate families in the United States. We cover census, vital
records, passenger manifests and genealogical searching on the
internet. If you want to find the names of your immigrant's parents,
their former shtetl, passenger records or extended family, then
consider this 3 week course.

We feature an online FORUM where you are guided by the instructor in
a one-on-one discussion of your work as you research your family
roots. Our classes have no scheduled times as our students are
international; enabling everyone to read/view/post at leisure.

Requirements: Students must be comfortable browsing the Internet and
downloading files and have 8-10 hours per week to read the lessons,
search online and interact with the FORUM.

Tuition for this U.S. Genealogy Course is $100 (there is no waiver
for this course). Registration is open.
https://www.jewishgen.org/education
Click on the "Enroll Here" link

Class size limited
For questions, please email us at JewishGen-Education@...

Nancy Holden
nholden@...


Abram Indig #southafrica

Wendy Freebourne <art@...>
 

Hello Fellow Genners.
Can anyone throw any light on this?

Abram Indig, born 1890 Pakruojis, Lithuania, my mother's cousin, I believe,
arrived in S Africa >from Lithuania in December 2012, aged 22. He was a
photographer. His original name would have been Indikh, then Indichas,
probably shortened to Indich in S Africa. He may have initially gone to join
an uncle, Willie Brener in Tarkestaad, Eastern Cape.

When his parents died in 1941 and 1942 he was married with one child, gender
unknown. For some reason, although the deaths were recorded as Tevelis
Indichas (1941) and Rochel Indich (1942), (my great aunt Rokha Brener), both
graves bore the name Brener instead of Indich. Abram may have adopted his
mother's maiden name.

Rochel and Tevel were both artists and were still in Pakruojis, Lithuania in
1920. Willie Brener died in 1923, so I don't know exactly when Rochel and
Tevel went to live in S Africa. Tevel was >from Kedainiai, Lithuania before
his marriage. They were buried in Brixton Cemetery, Johannesburg.

Does anyone know of or have connections to this family.

Many thanks

Wendy Freebourne
artwendyfreebourne.com
Researching: BRENER, Pakruojis, Lithuania, S Africa, BRENNER, Baltimore,
USA, London


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Abram Indig #southafrica

Wendy Freebourne <art@...>
 

Hello Fellow Genners.
Can anyone throw any light on this?

Abram Indig, born 1890 Pakruojis, Lithuania, my mother's cousin, I believe,
arrived in S Africa >from Lithuania in December 2012, aged 22. He was a
photographer. His original name would have been Indikh, then Indichas,
probably shortened to Indich in S Africa. He may have initially gone to join
an uncle, Willie Brener in Tarkestaad, Eastern Cape.

When his parents died in 1941 and 1942 he was married with one child, gender
unknown. For some reason, although the deaths were recorded as Tevelis
Indichas (1941) and Rochel Indich (1942), (my great aunt Rokha Brener), both
graves bore the name Brener instead of Indich. Abram may have adopted his
mother's maiden name.

Rochel and Tevel were both artists and were still in Pakruojis, Lithuania in
1920. Willie Brener died in 1923, so I don't know exactly when Rochel and
Tevel went to live in S Africa. Tevel was >from Kedainiai, Lithuania before
his marriage. They were buried in Brixton Cemetery, Johannesburg.

Does anyone know of or have connections to this family.

Many thanks

Wendy Freebourne
artwendyfreebourne.com
Researching: BRENER, Pakruojis, Lithuania, S Africa, BRENNER, Baltimore,
USA, London


Re: Mednikopff / Mednikov family #southafrica

Louise Goldschmidt <alfredlouise@...>
 

There is mention of Mednikov and diamonds if you look up the net. They give
the name of a company and a trademark. I don't know in which country they are.
I know Kimberley was the place for diamonds and the Diamond Bourse may be a
good place to enquire in various countries.. Good luck, Louise

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Mednikopff / Mednikov family
From: Nancy Silverrod <nsilverrodg@...>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:47:49 -0700

I am trying to track down Mednikopff/Mednikov family in South Africa in
order to back up two family stories. A cousin remembers receiving a
cashmere sweater for his Bar Mitzvah >from Mednikopff/Mednikov relatives
in South Africa in 1951. More vaguely, another cousin recalls her
grandmother mentioning family in the diamond trade, but she doesn't
recall whether they were in South Africa or South America. The family
originated >from Kiev and the surrounding areas.

Nancy Silverrod
San Francisco, California
Researching: Mednikopff/Mednikov, and many others


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Mednikopff / Mednikov family #southafrica

Louise Goldschmidt <alfredlouise@...>
 

There is mention of Mednikov and diamonds if you look up the net. They give
the name of a company and a trademark. I don't know in which country they are.
I know Kimberley was the place for diamonds and the Diamond Bourse may be a
good place to enquire in various countries.. Good luck, Louise

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Mednikopff / Mednikov family
From: Nancy Silverrod <nsilverrodg@...>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:47:49 -0700

I am trying to track down Mednikopff/Mednikov family in South Africa in
order to back up two family stories. A cousin remembers receiving a
cashmere sweater for his Bar Mitzvah >from Mednikopff/Mednikov relatives
in South Africa in 1951. More vaguely, another cousin recalls her
grandmother mentioning family in the diamond trade, but she doesn't
recall whether they were in South Africa or South America. The family
originated >from Kiev and the surrounding areas.

Nancy Silverrod
San Francisco, California
Researching: Mednikopff/Mednikov, and many others


Re: Goldwaters and Elkans #latvia

Ann Rabinowitz
 

It would help if the poster would provide the resources he has
already utilized to find information, the names of the heads of
the Elkan and Katz families who came to America and also how he
knows these two families are related.

The U.S. Census records provide the names of the children of the
Elkan and Katz families and the Irish Census provides the names
of the children of the Goldwater family.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Latvia SIG #Latvia RE: Goldwaters and Elkans #latvia

Ann Rabinowitz
 

It would help if the poster would provide the resources he has
already utilized to find information, the names of the heads of
the Elkan and Katz families who came to America and also how he
knows these two families are related.

The U.S. Census records provide the names of the children of the
Elkan and Katz families and the Irish Census provides the names
of the children of the Goldwater family.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Re: Baffling Y-DNA Results #dna

Steven D. Bloom <sbloom@...>
 

I think the results become less baffling (though still very
interesting!) when you consider that the percentages that FTDNA
churns out are just estimates, and based on probability.
Therefore , there really remains a decent chance, and even
straightforward reading of FTDNA's numbers suggest the
possibiility, that the common ancestor was much further back
than 4 generations. I can't really say how much further back.
Unfrotunately, at some point, even if you pile on more markers,
you don't get that much more certainty on when a common ancestor
may have lived.

My "gut" feeling is that this woman's great great grandfather
(the mystery man) was most likely some sort of cousin of your
great great grandfather, and that your common ancestor is further
back. Of course, I am assuming that the woman you spoke with is
telling the truth, as far as she knows it.

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia, USA


DNA Research #DNA Re: Baffling Y-DNA Results #dna

Steven D. Bloom <sbloom@...>
 

I think the results become less baffling (though still very
interesting!) when you consider that the percentages that FTDNA
churns out are just estimates, and based on probability.
Therefore , there really remains a decent chance, and even
straightforward reading of FTDNA's numbers suggest the
possibiility, that the common ancestor was much further back
than 4 generations. I can't really say how much further back.
Unfrotunately, at some point, even if you pile on more markers,
you don't get that much more certainty on when a common ancestor
may have lived.

My "gut" feeling is that this woman's great great grandfather
(the mystery man) was most likely some sort of cousin of your
great great grandfather, and that your common ancestor is further
back. Of course, I am assuming that the woman you spoke with is
telling the truth, as far as she knows it.

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia, USA


Re: Baffling Y-DNA Results #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

I have several comments on this some DNA and one general history.
Let's start with the easiest one. There were times when Poland did
not exist as a country and was divided up. My uncle's birth
certificate says "Warsaw, Russia". The borders moved, even when
people didn't. Brod or Brody was likely in Russia in 1864 (there
was no Poland)- see
http://www.viralforest.com/watch-1000-years-european-borders-change/.

For the DNA comments: As you know the Y only follows the male line,
but you did not mention whether Israel Shimon also remarried and
whether Chaim had 1/2 brothers >from his father. Also Israel Shimon
could have had brothers (who would have shared the Y DNA) line and
they or their sons (depending on age) could have been the person to
father Johan Viktor Sandström.

Sarah L Meyer

--
From: Meyer Denn <meyerdenn@...>
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 02:33:35 +0000 (UTC)

Dear Friends,

In November of 2014, I submitted a Y-111 DNA test to Family Tree DNA.

I received an intriguing correspondence >from a lady in Finland who explained
to me that we are a perfect match on the 111 marker, evidently meaning that
there is a better than 85% chance that we are directly related in four
generations or less. What she told me was astounding. She said that her
father's preoccupation with genealogy began when he was retired, and that
his grandfather's father was unknown. Her great grandfather (Johan Viktor
Sandström) was born in Hämeenlinna 2.7.1864 and his mother never told
anybody the identity of the baby's father. There was only speculations that
he was a Jew >from Russian army visiting Finland and that he might have been
a trumpeter in the army band.

I am simply at a loss as to how this can be. If this is correct, it appears
that I am a perfect match for her father, with a direct connection to him in
four generations or less.

I do not know a great deal about my paternal line, but what I know is pretty
clear going back to about 1850. My paternal grandfather, Jozef Juda (Joe)
DENN, was born in Korczyna, Galicia (northernmost province of the old
Austro-Hungarian Empire -- currently in southern Poland) in 1894. He had
three older siblings who survived to adulthood, the oldest being born in
1877. My grandfather's father, Chayem DENN, died in Korczyna in 1910 at the
age of 59, placing his birth at about 1851 or so. My grandfather told me
that his father Chayem was born in Brod, a town "deep in Poland." He seemed
to indicate that this town of Brod was the same town called today Brody in
the Ukraine, which at that time was much closer to the Russian border with
Poland. Here is where things get a bit murky. Chayem's parents were Izroel
Shimon DENN and Beila NEUMANN.
She was born in about 1831 in Baligrod, Galicia, not to far >from Korczyna in
southern Poland. I know nothing about Izroel Shimon DENN, but according to
oral family tradition, not long after Chayem's birth, Beila arranged for a
divorce >from her husband, who supposedly had an abusive personality. This
was unheard of in those days for a woman to have the wherewithal to arrange
her own divorce.
What is even more strange was that Izroel Shimon was able to keep his son
Chayem and raise him. His wife Beila then remarried her second husband in a
little town on the other side of the Slovak border (at that time in
Hungary). She and her second husband subsequently had five children. The
oldest daughter, Faiga Perl, born in 1854, eventually got married in about
1875, and the youngest daughter >from Faiga Perl's union married my
grandfather Jozef Juda DENN, her half first cousin (they shared a common
grandmother, but different grandfathers.) Faige Perl used to say about her
half- brother Chayem DENN, "what a pity it was for my brother Chayem that he
had to grow up in such a miserable home devoid of love, while we and our
siblings were raised in such a happy, loving home."
Additionally, my grandfather used to tell me that growing up in his home, he
and his siblings were terrified of their father, and that when he used to
come home >from work, nobody spoke out of fear, or that they would hide from
him because they feared him. This is literally all that I know about the
DENN side of the family. Other than the 1910 death certificate for Chayem
DENN that I have >from Korczyna, Poland, I have no other documentation about
the DENN family prior to that time. I know nothing about Izroel Shimon DENN,
but I must assume that he had siblings because it would have been unheard of
for Orthodox (Chassidic) families at that time not to have multiple children
in a family.

So, back to the connection to Finland. I have never heard of the DENN family
associated with Russia or the Russian army, however I assume that it is
possible that if they lived in Brody, it might not be too big a leap to
posit that they may have come to Brody >from the other side of the nearby
Russian border, or could have ventured to Russia >from Brody. I would assume
that if Chayem DENN was born in 1851 and his mother was born in 1831 (age 20
at birth), they most likely did not have other children in that union. So,
it probably was *not* Izroel Shimon who was the father of Victor SANTASALO,
because he would have most likely been 10 to 15 years old at the time.
However, it is very possible that Izroel Shimon could have had a brother,
father or uncle who could have sired the child.


DNA Research #DNA RE: Baffling Y-DNA Results #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

I have several comments on this some DNA and one general history.
Let's start with the easiest one. There were times when Poland did
not exist as a country and was divided up. My uncle's birth
certificate says "Warsaw, Russia". The borders moved, even when
people didn't. Brod or Brody was likely in Russia in 1864 (there
was no Poland)- see
http://www.viralforest.com/watch-1000-years-european-borders-change/.

For the DNA comments: As you know the Y only follows the male line,
but you did not mention whether Israel Shimon also remarried and
whether Chaim had 1/2 brothers >from his father. Also Israel Shimon
could have had brothers (who would have shared the Y DNA) line and
they or their sons (depending on age) could have been the person to
father Johan Viktor Sandström.

Sarah L Meyer

--
From: Meyer Denn <meyerdenn@...>
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 02:33:35 +0000 (UTC)

Dear Friends,

In November of 2014, I submitted a Y-111 DNA test to Family Tree DNA.

I received an intriguing correspondence >from a lady in Finland who explained
to me that we are a perfect match on the 111 marker, evidently meaning that
there is a better than 85% chance that we are directly related in four
generations or less. What she told me was astounding. She said that her
father's preoccupation with genealogy began when he was retired, and that
his grandfather's father was unknown. Her great grandfather (Johan Viktor
Sandström) was born in Hämeenlinna 2.7.1864 and his mother never told
anybody the identity of the baby's father. There was only speculations that
he was a Jew >from Russian army visiting Finland and that he might have been
a trumpeter in the army band.

I am simply at a loss as to how this can be. If this is correct, it appears
that I am a perfect match for her father, with a direct connection to him in
four generations or less.

I do not know a great deal about my paternal line, but what I know is pretty
clear going back to about 1850. My paternal grandfather, Jozef Juda (Joe)
DENN, was born in Korczyna, Galicia (northernmost province of the old
Austro-Hungarian Empire -- currently in southern Poland) in 1894. He had
three older siblings who survived to adulthood, the oldest being born in
1877. My grandfather's father, Chayem DENN, died in Korczyna in 1910 at the
age of 59, placing his birth at about 1851 or so. My grandfather told me
that his father Chayem was born in Brod, a town "deep in Poland." He seemed
to indicate that this town of Brod was the same town called today Brody in
the Ukraine, which at that time was much closer to the Russian border with
Poland. Here is where things get a bit murky. Chayem's parents were Izroel
Shimon DENN and Beila NEUMANN.
She was born in about 1831 in Baligrod, Galicia, not to far >from Korczyna in
southern Poland. I know nothing about Izroel Shimon DENN, but according to
oral family tradition, not long after Chayem's birth, Beila arranged for a
divorce >from her husband, who supposedly had an abusive personality. This
was unheard of in those days for a woman to have the wherewithal to arrange
her own divorce.
What is even more strange was that Izroel Shimon was able to keep his son
Chayem and raise him. His wife Beila then remarried her second husband in a
little town on the other side of the Slovak border (at that time in
Hungary). She and her second husband subsequently had five children. The
oldest daughter, Faiga Perl, born in 1854, eventually got married in about
1875, and the youngest daughter >from Faiga Perl's union married my
grandfather Jozef Juda DENN, her half first cousin (they shared a common
grandmother, but different grandfathers.) Faige Perl used to say about her
half- brother Chayem DENN, "what a pity it was for my brother Chayem that he
had to grow up in such a miserable home devoid of love, while we and our
siblings were raised in such a happy, loving home."
Additionally, my grandfather used to tell me that growing up in his home, he
and his siblings were terrified of their father, and that when he used to
come home >from work, nobody spoke out of fear, or that they would hide from
him because they feared him. This is literally all that I know about the
DENN side of the family. Other than the 1910 death certificate for Chayem
DENN that I have >from Korczyna, Poland, I have no other documentation about
the DENN family prior to that time. I know nothing about Izroel Shimon DENN,
but I must assume that he had siblings because it would have been unheard of
for Orthodox (Chassidic) families at that time not to have multiple children
in a family.

So, back to the connection to Finland. I have never heard of the DENN family
associated with Russia or the Russian army, however I assume that it is
possible that if they lived in Brody, it might not be too big a leap to
posit that they may have come to Brody >from the other side of the nearby
Russian border, or could have ventured to Russia >from Brody. I would assume
that if Chayem DENN was born in 1851 and his mother was born in 1831 (age 20
at birth), they most likely did not have other children in that union. So,
it probably was *not* Izroel Shimon who was the father of Victor SANTASALO,
because he would have most likely been 10 to 15 years old at the time.
However, it is very possible that Izroel Shimon could have had a brother,
father or uncle who could have sired the child.


Oshvar Rebbe #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

My records show that Rav Shimon Nathan Nata Biderman, born in 1931 and
died on Yom Kippur on September 28, 2009 was the father of a daughter
who married R. Menachem Mendel Gold, son of R. --- Gold, Admur
Oshvar-Boro Park Congregation Beit Asher. What is the Rebbe's name and
his yichus.
Also who was Rav Biederman married to?

--
Neil Rosenstein


R'Yisrael Nachman ben R'yosef #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In the book "Mazkeret legdolei Ostrah appear two Yisrael ben Yosef.
One on page 222 the other on page 277 . The editor of this book
beleievs that these two may be one and the same.

Are there any people on this list who are descendants of either of
these as I believe I am a descendant of Yisrael Nachman (p.222)?

Shavua tov and Chag Sameach vekasher

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Oshvar Rebbe #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

My records show that Rav Shimon Nathan Nata Biderman, born in 1931 and
died on Yom Kippur on September 28, 2009 was the father of a daughter
who married R. Menachem Mendel Gold, son of R. --- Gold, Admur
Oshvar-Boro Park Congregation Beit Asher. What is the Rebbe's name and
his yichus.
Also who was Rav Biederman married to?

--
Neil Rosenstein


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic R'Yisrael Nachman ben R'yosef #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In the book "Mazkeret legdolei Ostrah appear two Yisrael ben Yosef.
One on page 222 the other on page 277 . The editor of this book
beleievs that these two may be one and the same.

Are there any people on this list who are descendants of either of
these as I believe I am a descendant of Yisrael Nachman (p.222)?

Shavua tov and Chag Sameach vekasher

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Town associated with Yanover Podolier Burial Society, Mt. Lebanon Cemetery, Queens NY #general

Mady Land <madyland@...>
 

Hello everyone,

I am trying to determine the town associated with a burial society in
Mt.Lebanon Cemetery, Queens NY.
The society name is YANOVER PODOLIER, but according to the cemetery staff,
it has long been defunct and they have no records for it.

There are quite a few Janows in what are today Poland and Ukraine, but none
that I could locate in Podolia gubierna.

Would anyone know which town it might be? Thanks for any input.

Mady Land, New York
Researching:
KELMAN/KIELMAN/Nowe Miasto nad Pilica, New York;
LANDSZNEJDER/LANDSCHNEIDER/KLAMRA/ZAROSLA/Plock, Bodzanow, New York;
ZYLBER/KARAS/DOBRZYNSKA/Dobrzyn nad Wisla;
GEJDYGIER/EIDEGER/Nowe Miasto nad Pilica, Lodz, Aleksandrow Lodski, New
York, Winnipeg, Calgary;
FOGEL/FOGIEL/FOJGEL/HERYING/HAJDENBLIT/Hrubieszow, Ratno, Lublin, Poland;
New York;
LADZINSKI/LADYSINSKA/LADIZINSKY/Myastowka/Gorodkivka Ukraine, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Town associated with Yanover Podolier Burial Society, Mt. Lebanon Cemetery, Queens NY #general

Mady Land <madyland@...>
 

Hello everyone,

I am trying to determine the town associated with a burial society in
Mt.Lebanon Cemetery, Queens NY.
The society name is YANOVER PODOLIER, but according to the cemetery staff,
it has long been defunct and they have no records for it.

There are quite a few Janows in what are today Poland and Ukraine, but none
that I could locate in Podolia gubierna.

Would anyone know which town it might be? Thanks for any input.

Mady Land, New York
Researching:
KELMAN/KIELMAN/Nowe Miasto nad Pilica, New York;
LANDSZNEJDER/LANDSCHNEIDER/KLAMRA/ZAROSLA/Plock, Bodzanow, New York;
ZYLBER/KARAS/DOBRZYNSKA/Dobrzyn nad Wisla;
GEJDYGIER/EIDEGER/Nowe Miasto nad Pilica, Lodz, Aleksandrow Lodski, New
York, Winnipeg, Calgary;
FOGEL/FOGIEL/FOJGEL/HERYING/HAJDENBLIT/Hrubieszow, Ratno, Lublin, Poland;
New York;
LADZINSKI/LADYSINSKA/LADIZINSKY/Myastowka/Gorodkivka Ukraine, New York