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Searching SCHWIMMER from Mukachevo #subcarpathia

Moishe Miller
 

Dear Group,

This is my first posting to the group. My g-g-gf was Yisroel/Israel
SCHWIMMER. He married Toba Etel BASCH (daughter of Ezra Yakov Basch)
of SPINKA (Sapinta) around 1875 and they settled in Munkacz(Mukachevo)
at some point. Yisroel passed away sometime before 1914 in or near
Munkacz (not to be confused with the Israel Schwimmer that came to the
USA and passed away around 1930) and Toba Etel passed away sometime
before 1900. That is when grandchildren started to be named after each
one.

I have found a posting in the old Munkacz cemetery for a Yisroel and one
for "wife of Yisroel". I have not found a birth record for Toba Etel
BASCH in the Marmores online records, but being born sometime around
1855, that might not be available. I am interested in going back one
generation, to my g-g-g-gp's. Does anyone have advice or ideas about
how to do that? I do have information on my other 29 g-g-g-gp's. These
are the only three missing. I know nothing about the mother and father of
Yisroel Schwimmer. For Toba Etel, while I know her father was Ezra Yakov
BASCH of Spinka (Sapinta), Romania (and can go back to his grandfather,
Pesach BASCH), there is disagreement on who Toba Etel's mother was. Some
say it was Zissel ADLER and some say Miriam SCHNECK. I have not found
any SCHNECK family in any BMD records posted online for Marmores.

Any ideas on where/if their death records might be accessible?

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY


Subcarpathia SIG #Subcarpathia Searching SCHWIMMER from Mukachevo #subcarpathia

Moishe Miller
 

Dear Group,

This is my first posting to the group. My g-g-gf was Yisroel/Israel
SCHWIMMER. He married Toba Etel BASCH (daughter of Ezra Yakov Basch)
of SPINKA (Sapinta) around 1875 and they settled in Munkacz(Mukachevo)
at some point. Yisroel passed away sometime before 1914 in or near
Munkacz (not to be confused with the Israel Schwimmer that came to the
USA and passed away around 1930) and Toba Etel passed away sometime
before 1900. That is when grandchildren started to be named after each
one.

I have found a posting in the old Munkacz cemetery for a Yisroel and one
for "wife of Yisroel". I have not found a birth record for Toba Etel
BASCH in the Marmores online records, but being born sometime around
1855, that might not be available. I am interested in going back one
generation, to my g-g-g-gp's. Does anyone have advice or ideas about
how to do that? I do have information on my other 29 g-g-g-gp's. These
are the only three missing. I know nothing about the mother and father of
Yisroel Schwimmer. For Toba Etel, while I know her father was Ezra Yakov
BASCH of Spinka (Sapinta), Romania (and can go back to his grandfather,
Pesach BASCH), there is disagreement on who Toba Etel's mother was. Some
say it was Zissel ADLER and some say Miriam SCHNECK. I have not found
any SCHNECK family in any BMD records posted online for Marmores.

Any ideas on where/if their death records might be accessible?

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY


Re: Where is Szibo, Hungary? #hungary

smartlines@...
 

You can't find, because it is - most probably - mispelled. The correct name
is Zsibo (with an accent on the o), today in Romania. See on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jibou
Regards
Andras Hirschler

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1. Where is Szibo, Hungary?
2. Aw: Jewish Heritage Europe Article Includes List of Jewish Cemeteries in
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Subject: Where is Szibo, Hungary?
From: wadiuwant@...
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 19:53:40 +0200
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I have a record that someone was born in Szibo, Hungary. I can't locate that
place on a map.

Anyone know where it is, and what its current name might be.

Regards
Richard Dahl
Rehovot, Israel

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Re: Where is Szibo, Hungary? #hungary

tom
 

could it be zsibo in szilagy megye, in present-day romania? (romanian
spelling jibou.)

otherwise, it looks like an abbreviation, since "sz" is the usual
abbreviation of saint, possibly "szent ibolya". except that, among
all the other saints, i couldn't find an ibolya (popular feminine
name meaning violet).

....... tom klein, toronto

wadiuwant@... wrote:

I have a record that someone was born in Szibo, Hungary. I can't
locate that place on a map.

Anyone know where it is, and what its current name might be.


Re: Where is Szibo, Hungary? #hungary

steinsteve@...
 

My guess would be that you're talking about Zsibo, which is now Jibou,
Salaj, Romania in Transylvania.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ

I have a record that someone was born in Szibo, Hungary. I can't
locate that place on a map.


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Where is Szibo, Hungary? #hungary

smartlines@...
 

You can't find, because it is - most probably - mispelled. The correct name
is Zsibo (with an accent on the o), today in Romania. See on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jibou
Regards
Andras Hirschler

-----Original Message-----
From: H-SIG [mailto:h-sig@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:04 AM
To: h-sig digest recipients
Subject: h-sig digest: March 27, 2015

H-SIG Digest for Friday, March 27, 2015.

1. Where is Szibo, Hungary?
2. Aw: Jewish Heritage Europe Article Includes List of Jewish Cemeteries in
Hungary; Hungary Assumes Chairmanship of IHRA

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Subject: Where is Szibo, Hungary?
From: wadiuwant@...
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 19:53:40 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

I have a record that someone was born in Szibo, Hungary. I can't locate that
place on a map.

Anyone know where it is, and what its current name might be.

Regards
Richard Dahl
Rehovot, Israel

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from the original message (as your Moderator has done in this case) and delete
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Where is Szibo, Hungary? #hungary

tom
 

could it be zsibo in szilagy megye, in present-day romania? (romanian
spelling jibou.)

otherwise, it looks like an abbreviation, since "sz" is the usual
abbreviation of saint, possibly "szent ibolya". except that, among
all the other saints, i couldn't find an ibolya (popular feminine
name meaning violet).

....... tom klein, toronto

wadiuwant@... wrote:

I have a record that someone was born in Szibo, Hungary. I can't
locate that place on a map.

Anyone know where it is, and what its current name might be.


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Where is Szibo, Hungary? #hungary

steinsteve@...
 

My guess would be that you're talking about Zsibo, which is now Jibou,
Salaj, Romania in Transylvania.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ

I have a record that someone was born in Szibo, Hungary. I can't
locate that place on a map.


Weiss from Hejkeresztur #hungary

Shaul Sharoni
 

Dear Siggers,

Following Gabor Hirsch's posting about a secondary cemetery list with
photos, I have searched the website and found an entry for Hejokeresztur.
The few photos available online include the gravestone of Miksa Weisz
(http://www.izraelitatemetok.hu/index.php/hejokeresztur/). I have a direct
Weisz ancestor born in this village: Bertha Weisz, born 14.2.1865, daughter
of Salamon Weisz and Rozalia Brunner. The rest of her siblings or their
descendants are believed to have moved to Miskolc. To date I have no further
information about her siblings, though.

My questions are as follows:

1. Does anyone have any information on the Hejokeresztur cemetery?
2. Does any of your Weisz ancestors originate >from this village?

Best Regards,
Shaul Sharoni,
Israel


Subject: Aw: Jewish Heritage Europe Article Includes List of Jewish
Cemeteries in Hungary; Hungary Assumes Chairmanship of IHRA
From: g_hirsch@...
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 17:13:37 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello

<snip> Besides the mentioned Jewish cemetery list, there exist another one with less
listed cemeteries but there are some pictures attached, the accompaniing
text is in Hungarian, the coordinates of the cemetery and a map is included,
the url is http://www.izraelitatemetok.hu/

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Hungary SIG #Hungary Weiss from Hejkeresztur #hungary

Shaul Sharoni
 

Dear Siggers,

Following Gabor Hirsch's posting about a secondary cemetery list with
photos, I have searched the website and found an entry for Hejokeresztur.
The few photos available online include the gravestone of Miksa Weisz
(http://www.izraelitatemetok.hu/index.php/hejokeresztur/). I have a direct
Weisz ancestor born in this village: Bertha Weisz, born 14.2.1865, daughter
of Salamon Weisz and Rozalia Brunner. The rest of her siblings or their
descendants are believed to have moved to Miskolc. To date I have no further
information about her siblings, though.

My questions are as follows:

1. Does anyone have any information on the Hejokeresztur cemetery?
2. Does any of your Weisz ancestors originate >from this village?

Best Regards,
Shaul Sharoni,
Israel


Subject: Aw: Jewish Heritage Europe Article Includes List of Jewish
Cemeteries in Hungary; Hungary Assumes Chairmanship of IHRA
From: g_hirsch@...
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 17:13:37 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello

<snip> Besides the mentioned Jewish cemetery list, there exist another one with less
listed cemeteries but there are some pictures attached, the accompaniing
text is in Hungarian, the coordinates of the cemetery and a map is included,
the url is http://www.izraelitatemetok.hu/

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Re: Where is Szibo, Hungary? #hungary

Beth Long
 

Perhaps it is Zsibo? Zsibo is in the former Szilagy County, now in Romania.

Beth Long
Salt lake City

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From: "Richard Gordon Dahl wadiuwant@..." <h-sig@...>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:53 AM
Subject: [h-sig] Where is Szibo, Hungary?


I have a record that someone was born in Szibo, Hungary. I can't
locate that place on a map.

Anyone know where it is, and what its current name might be.

Regards
Richard Dahl
Rehovot, Israel

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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Where is Szibo, Hungary? #hungary

Beth Long
 

Perhaps it is Zsibo? Zsibo is in the former Szilagy County, now in Romania.

Beth Long
Salt lake City

________________________________
From: "Richard Gordon Dahl wadiuwant@..." <h-sig@...>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:53 AM
Subject: [h-sig] Where is Szibo, Hungary?


I have a record that someone was born in Szibo, Hungary. I can't
locate that place on a map.

Anyone know where it is, and what its current name might be.

Regards
Richard Dahl
Rehovot, Israel

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Re: Kligler Family #ukraine

jmiller@...
 

Caryn

My grandmother was a Giniger who emigrated to New York and subsequently
Canada in the 1890's >from Milnetsa Poldyskya, then Austria, later Poland
and now the Ukraine. Her brother and his family, who my grandfather
brought to Canada in 1921, took his wife's maiden name, Klinger, when he
married Sara, in an attempt to avoid the draft. His daughter Yetta who was
born just before they emigrated just died within the past month.

Don't know if there is any family connection.

Dr. Jack Martin Miller
St. Catharines, Ont.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Kligler Family #ukraine

jmiller@...
 

Caryn

My grandmother was a Giniger who emigrated to New York and subsequently
Canada in the 1890's >from Milnetsa Poldyskya, then Austria, later Poland
and now the Ukraine. Her brother and his family, who my grandfather
brought to Canada in 1921, took his wife's maiden name, Klinger, when he
married Sara, in an attempt to avoid the draft. His daughter Yetta who was
born just before they emigrated just died within the past month.

Don't know if there is any family connection.

Dr. Jack Martin Miller
St. Catharines, Ont.


Records on Ziskraut family in Israel #ukraine

barry_helfand@...
 

Dear Genners:
I am working on a one surname research project. Are there any birth,
marriage, death or other records in Israel about the Ziskraut family?
I know that Ziskrauts lived there after the Holocaust and possibly before.

Any recommendations will be greatly appreciated.

Barry Helfand
Upland, California


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Records on Ziskraut family in Israel #ukraine

barry_helfand@...
 

Dear Genners:
I am working on a one surname research project. Are there any birth,
marriage, death or other records in Israel about the Ziskraut family?
I know that Ziskrauts lived there after the Holocaust and possibly before.

Any recommendations will be greatly appreciated.

Barry Helfand
Upland, California


1812 West Prussia Naturalizations and permanent Jewish family names- registration list y names registration list (Generalverzeichnis" saemtlicher Juden in Westpreussen) #germany

Alan Ehrlich
 

I'm researching in the 1812 "Generalverzeichnis" saemtlicher Juden in
Westpreussen" (West Prussia Naturalizations and permanent Jewish family
names registration list), and have a question I'd greatly appreciate your
expert feedback on:

For memory: The list's layout comprises five columns, which can be
paraphrased as: Line Number, New Name, Original Name, Place of Residence.
and Individual's Registration Number at Place of Residence.

Regarding this latter column. In the list, sometimes, persons >from the same
place of residence that appear to be brothers or father and son (based on
their original name plus new name) have sequential or close registration
numbers; however, in other cases, their registration numbers can be quite
wide apart.

Can you tell me whether the proximity of persons' registration numbers at
place of residence tends to indicate they are related? Respectively, does
the "pattern" and/or "rank order", etc. of these registration numbers
provide any useful genealogical information?

This would be important to know, since often enough brothers in fact each
registered different permanent family names. Also because it can be
difficult to determine which of the persons in the list are older than
others. Thank you.

Alan Ehrlich, Geneva, Switzerland alan.ehrlich@...


German SIG #Germany 1812 West Prussia Naturalizations and permanent Jewish family names- registration list y names registration list (Generalverzeichnis" saemtlicher Juden in Westpreussen) #germany

Alan Ehrlich
 

I'm researching in the 1812 "Generalverzeichnis" saemtlicher Juden in
Westpreussen" (West Prussia Naturalizations and permanent Jewish family
names registration list), and have a question I'd greatly appreciate your
expert feedback on:

For memory: The list's layout comprises five columns, which can be
paraphrased as: Line Number, New Name, Original Name, Place of Residence.
and Individual's Registration Number at Place of Residence.

Regarding this latter column. In the list, sometimes, persons >from the same
place of residence that appear to be brothers or father and son (based on
their original name plus new name) have sequential or close registration
numbers; however, in other cases, their registration numbers can be quite
wide apart.

Can you tell me whether the proximity of persons' registration numbers at
place of residence tends to indicate they are related? Respectively, does
the "pattern" and/or "rank order", etc. of these registration numbers
provide any useful genealogical information?

This would be important to know, since often enough brothers in fact each
registered different permanent family names. Also because it can be
difficult to determine which of the persons in the list are older than
others. Thank you.

Alan Ehrlich, Geneva, Switzerland alan.ehrlich@...


1819-1828 Additional Revision Lists for the Disna Area #belarus

salinger@...
 

The Disna District Research Group has now completed translation of
the 1818-1829 Additional Revision Lists for the Disna Area. The towns included
in this list are Disna, Druya, Germanovichi, Glubokoye,
Golubits, Leonpol, Lepel Luzhki, Plisa, Postavi, Sharagi, and Sharkovshini.
Altogether over 1300 names appear on this list.

If you would like to check if your family name or names appear on this list please let me know
and I will check. Further information will require you joining the Disna
District Research Group.

With kindest regards,

Ralph Salinger
Coordinator
Disna District Research Group


Belarus SIG #Belarus 1819-1828 Additional Revision Lists for the Disna Area #belarus

salinger@...
 

The Disna District Research Group has now completed translation of
the 1818-1829 Additional Revision Lists for the Disna Area. The towns included
in this list are Disna, Druya, Germanovichi, Glubokoye,
Golubits, Leonpol, Lepel Luzhki, Plisa, Postavi, Sharagi, and Sharkovshini.
Altogether over 1300 names appear on this list.

If you would like to check if your family name or names appear on this list please let me know
and I will check. Further information will require you joining the Disna
District Research Group.

With kindest regards,

Ralph Salinger
Coordinator
Disna District Research Group