Genealogy Software For Family Trees #general


Hi Cousins,

I've decided it's time I got some software to make my family tree, but
there are so many to choose from, it's giving me a headache! So I
thought I'd ask for recommendations.

Here is what I need:

1. A program that lets me include every family member (siblings;
cousins; aunts and uncles; 1st, 2nd, etc. marriages; etc.) in one giant
family tree.

2. A program that lets me enter birth, marriage, death info that is
printed right on the tree itself, so I don't have to refer to any other

3. A program that will let me print out this tree, even if it means
taping together a whole bunch of sheets, and will also allow me to make
the tree into a PDF file, so I can share it via email.

4. A program that is a true family tree, not just sheets listing
people. (A cousin gave me a printout like that, and it's way too hard
to follow.)

5. The program must be compatible with Windows 10.

I am not interested in anything else. I don't care if the program has
search the Internet features or not. I don't care if it's capable of
uploading or downloading data. I just need to be able to consolidate
all the hand-drawn trees and other papers I have into one coherent tree.

Thank you!
Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN,
KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ,
BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia);
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania);
CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)

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Re: Find Address - 30 Osborn, Brooklyn NY #usa

Suzanne Fialkoff

Number 28-30 Osborn St.was an apartment building. It was enumerated in the 1925 Kings County Census in AD 23, ED 24, pages 49-50.

Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna

Sarah L Meyer

Since he is in Israel, MyHeritage can not sell him a kit legally, nor can he upload his results there.  He could upload his results from FTDNA or Ancestry while on his vacation if his device did not show Israeli origination.  Thank the Chief Rabbinate for this.  They don't want people to find out that they are mamzers (the product of a religiously illegal marriage or adultery), because the religious laws against these people are so vile.  DNA is legal in Israel except for the "purpose of finding relatives".  However, I have ordered FTDNA kits that were shipped to Israel, and I have uploaded the results to MyHeritage, because I am in the US.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

Paul Chirlin

Do all descendants of your great-grandfather all have similar Jewish DNA markers?  If they are only seen in one of his children's line it suggests differing parentage.   Is your father not DNA related to a known descendant?  

Lost relatives in New York #usa


I would love help with one of my (smaller) brick walls.  This is a long shot, but I'm out of ideas! My paternal grandmother came from the shtetl of Vselyb ouside Navardok (Novogrudok), Belarus. The family name was Berkovsky, changed to Brown by the first immigrant. In 1907, Kreine Berkovsy from that town came to NY and was met by her brother Wolf/Velvil. These are certainly my relatives (Kreine is a family name, and my own Jewish name). Our known Kreine and Wolf became Kate and William. I am hampered in tracking down the 1907 siblings by not having a clue what their names became, much less whom she married. Do they ring a bell with anyone in this group?  Happy for other search ideas, but I think my best hope is for somebody to recognize these people and who they became.

Carol Isenberg Clingan

Dedham MA


Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

C Chaykin

A note about DNA results... Two Jewish great grandparents may yield results similar to one Jewish grandparent, in terms of percentages of Jewish ancestry. (Ditto for four great great grandparents, etc.)

Re: Use of "ben Avraham" on a headstone #general

Paul Chirlin

Perhaps his father's formal Hebrew name was Abraham but he used Meier as his given name for example Abraham Meier Cohen.  As an aside I do not like the term "non-observant Jew" This man was religious enough that he has a Jewish grave.  Not being Orthodox or not being Kosher or not going to temple does not make one non-observant.   Rant over. 

Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna


This may not be of any direct assistance but I wanted to offer a parallel example of Jew's melding into Irish Catholic society. While working in San Francisco I was introduced to a woman whose name is Yvonne O'Connor. She had 12 siblings and fell right in the middle by age. After a number of years of close friendship she told me a story about her last trip home to Dublin. To her great surprise she found an old photo in the coal shed of her grandfather. He was known as "Altman the Salt man". After some cajoling with her extended family some things became clearer to her. There were certain burial traditions that the extended family followed that clearly were not Catholic. There was one older member of thee family that would not eat pork. A member or two would not travel on the sabbath.

Eventually she was reconciled to the fact that she was Jewish. Please keep in mind that this was a Catholic girl that had to dig deep into Irish history and eventually found family names in Synagogue records. She imparted to me that "Altman the Salt man" was a character in one of James Joyce's novel "Ulysses". She is now the director of the Jewish Museum in Dublin. She speaks many languages, is well traveled and knows much about Jewish history on the "Isle". If you are inclined she might have something to offer.

There is a significant Jewish world in Scotland and it is not uncommon for people to adopt culture and unintentionally lose some family history. Good Luck!

Re: Find Address - 30 Osborn, Brooklyn NY #usa


According to the Red Book Information Guide to Brooklyn 35th edition, (1933) Osborne Sreet ran from 1582 East New York Avenue south to Linden Boulevard. 30 Osborne Street was between #9 at Liberty Bgn and #57 at Glenmore Avenue. The next block was Pitkin Avenue.

It looks as though that area is now Howard Houses, a large housing estate in Brownsville, with no through roads. The Red Book shows East New York Avenue running from Liberty Avenue to Osborne Street to St Marks Avenue. Liberty Avenue no longer intersects East NY Avenue.

With respect to David Oseas and Steve Morse, Osborne Avenue was in Brownsville, a long way from Ocean Avenue, which begins at Empire Boulevard at Prospect Park.

Jessica Skippon
researching BORGER, BIRN. SCHANZER, JACHZEL in Galicia

Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna


Family Tree DNA or FTDNA  has two offerings you will not find on Ancestry.  Both Y DNA direct  paternal line) and mitochondrial mt DNA (direct maternal line) are included in Family Tree DNA as optional testing results for a fee, with the sample you take and submit by doing a swab (the swab is easier to use for seniors who have trouble with saliva production). The Y and mt DNA profiles are not possible to achieve on the raw data transfer from Ancestry.  Family Tree DNA is the pioneer company who started genetic genealogy. People are confused because the company Ancestry jumped on board much later with specific interest in autosomal DNA.  Of course, they had a large public profile due to previous subscription programs for researching family history incorporating previous platforms like bulletin boards and Rootsweb initially and expanded ultimately incorporating autosomal DNA. Originally the interface was 1:1 comparison as Ancestry and 23 and Me and FTDNA all used the same chip.  A couple of years ago, Ancestry added medical analysis to their results. Because of this, the chip was changed to accommodate. So, there is some compromise in the number of SNPs that are transferred with raw data. If it were me, I would test with FTDNA and support the company who started it all and get the most SNPs I can. The cost has significantly dropped since I tested. I have tested with Ancestry too and think it is a good thing to do.  Ancestry will not accept transfer in raw data.  But a word of caution, those who think they are saving money should consider that when Ancestry changed their chip a couple of years ago to accommodate for medical information, they reduced their noon-medical SNP testing. The results are still valuable, but the transfer can miss information.  The Family Finder test uses the Illumina OmniExpress microarray chip. The chip includes about 696,800 autosomal single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs). 23andMe examines about 690,000 predetermined SNPs. That may sound like a lot, but it is only 0.01 percent of the 6 billion DNA letters in the human genome. An excellent blog I suggest those interested read is Louis Kessler’s Behold Blog at: . This article has excellent charts to simplify the numbers and comparison.  Look at SNPs in common between companies before relying on transferring. I would test with both FTDNA and Ancestry and transfer FTDNA results to MyHeritage who uses the same chip as FTDNA, so it is generally a 1:1 match with a SD within range.  Importantly: FTDNA stores your sample for 25 years and thus can-do new testing without mailing costs as science progresses in the field. You can bequest your results to a descendant. You can study the Y and mt lines when you test with this company and if you cannot afford it today, it is on file to look at it later.  If you die, your grandmother dies and science advances and you are operating those kits, you can still learn from that DNA. Other companies do not store the samples.  So, every test you do would be another fee.  Finally, FTNDA does not carry the weight load of subscription fees.  When you test, you own the results. You can always upload to Gedmatch as well and those who upload from other companies can be compared there. If you meet a cousin who tested at Ancestry and you did not and they do not want to transfer results to FTDNA, then you can ask them to transfer to Gedmatch and compare at a neutral site.  Ancestry has a large data base. They have resources to advertise and brand familiarity, so it is well worth testing there too.  Remember people often do one test and do not transfer so the person you seek may be on another platform.
Susan Diamond

Re: Verifying Portuguese Translation of Brazilian Immigration Paperwork #latinamerica #translation


On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:48 AM, Yaron Wolfsthal wrote:

The translation is fairly good. Typical Brazilian bureacratic jargon.

Some hints:

"Reg de Temporarios nº 794/58" = Registration of Temporary (residents) number 794 of the year 1958.
"ministerial order of 11/27/58" = ministerial order of 27-Nov-1958
"Sr. Cônsul do Brasil" = Mr. Consul of Brasil in Rivera, Uruguay.
"carteira selada com Cr$ 250,00" = means that the document has stamps that confirmed the payment of Cr$ 250 etc.
"colados e inutilizados" = glued and voided
"folha corrida" is not a payroll, it translates better as a background check issued by the police.
"in accordance with Resolution no. 109/1942 of the extinct C.I.C. DRS forwarded to the DIJ, on 3.12.59".
"apresentado pelo int." = presented by the interested party
"dauqle Depto." = from that Department (ortographic error)
"revealed the portfolio for one year" - Actually "Revalidated the portfolio for one year"

Hope it helps.

Flavio Baran

Re: Records from 1807-1811 #romania #bessarabia #ukraine

Yefim Kogan

Semion,  I found them at the FamilySearch database.

Are you up to work on some of them?  I am not talking about Old-Slavonic, but just Russian.
Let me know,

Thanks,  Yefim

Re: DNA tests for genealogy in Israel #dna

Eric Mack

MyHeritage DNA users need to use a VPN, or equivalent, in order to access that portion of the MH website while in Israel.

On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 04:28:31 PM GMT+3, Dahn Cukier via <> wrote:

Access: MyHeritage did not permit access to the DNA section when my cousin
was visiting (Israel) from the US.

She had no problem accessing other databases.

Data: The data from Ancestry is probably larger, but not better. If a cousin
tests with one company and does not share the data with the one
you have accesses, they will not show up.

Autosomal testing is quit confusing. I have relatives
my sister, mother and father's brother do not. Many of the entries
are the fine, but there are a few dozen unique too each
of us, the same for another sister/sister test I know of. Yes,
I am listed as my mothers child and uncle/nephew of my uncle,
and sibling of my sister.

Downloading matches. MyHeratage has/had a way to download all your matches
as a spreadsheet file. Ancestry has no way to download data and since they
updated the way to review data, is very poor considering I have
a few hundred new matches every month and well over 5000 "4th cousins and
closer" and full access to 9 tests.

On Monday, July 27, 2020, 11:56:14 PM GMT+3, Alex Fuchs <xxa@...> wrote:

I agree with David,
For best results, you need the most matches, and Ancestry has the biggest database by a mile.

You can always upload Ancestry results to others, but not vise versa.
I have more discoveries from Ancestry matches than from others combined.
Alex Fuchs

Re: Voliakas / Voliack / Wollock & Perevosnik from Shtayatsishisok / Stajetiske #lithuania

Eric Svirskis



Bingo (I think).


The resonation, allowing for transliterations my maternal grandmother, GITL WOLIK had a brother CHLOINE/LAPIDUS … he married a PEREVOSNIK. It sounds promising, I think, as the area is the general area is the same.


If you think so please contact me on < svire@... >.


Eric Svirskis,

Melbourne, Australia.


Interested in: FLEXER; GANTOVNIK; GASKIN; GROSBEIN; KLUMEL, MALACKA; MUSZKATBLAT; NAREV; OKUN; PORUS; RUDNITZKI; SRAGOWITZ; SVIRSKI, SVIRSKIS,SWIRSKY or SHVERSKE; WOLAK, or VOLIK; & SILVERMAN or ZILBERMAN’ from: Belarus & Lithuania: Adutiskis; Danilovich/Daniloviciaia; Dolhinov; Kovno/Kaunas; Mielagėnai/Melegan; Panevesz; Shtayachisok, or Widze/Vidzy.

Re: Trying to obtain a 1922 birth certificate from Oradea (Nagyvarad), Romania #romania #hungary #general

Peninah Zilberman


Since its less than 100 yrs., the Archives don’t have copies of the registry books yet.


Write to the Jewish Community Center of Oradea

President Mr. Koppelman

Rabbi Shria

I am sure they will try and assist you on your mission

Definitely to change the cross into a Magen David


Good Luck Peninah


preşedinte Felix Koppelmann

Str. Mihai Viteazu nr. 4, jud. Bihor

tel./ fax 0259/ 434. 843

e-mail: ceoradea_dasm@...





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Canada 1-416-781-0330

Romania + 40-74-414-5351

Israel 972-54-228-8141



Re: Looking for 19thC marriage record in NYC(?) #usa #austria-czech

Diane Jacobs

You can still find many marriages in NYC before 1900 as I found 1891 and 1895 on 
My first trip to the NYC Municipal archives for 2 great aunts in 2000.  Licenses and applications didn't  begin until 1908, yet they are valuable and available at the same archives.  If the marriage was not registered, the license would still be there.
  Diane Jacobs
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From: "Sally Bruckheimer via" <>
Date: 7/25/20 9:02 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [] Looking for 19thC marriage record in NYC(?) #usa

There aren't many NYC marriage records before 1900. There weren't required licenses.
Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Trying to obtain a 1922 birth certificate from Oradea (Nagyvarad), Romania #romania #hungary #general


Renier, I am copying a message from a good friend of mine whose family is from Oradea originally, then moving to France.  She has some good hints for finding the information that you need.  She says that you can write the Jewish community (link below) in English.  They are very helpful:

There is – or was a Jakab family from Nagyvarad – today Oradea, ten persons of that name were deported on May 3, 1944. I could let you have their names if it helps. I believe your best bet is contacting the Jewish community in Oradea such as it is. Let me find the link for you and think of other ways to help.

Doesn't the relative have a copy of his identity card? Hope all this is helpful.

Shimona Kushner

Re: Surname query Romania/Hungary #romania #hungary

Peninah Zilberman

Dear Judith,


Both Kretchinef and Sighet were part of the Austrian – Hungarian Empires, in the Marmaures Region.

Hans being a Germanic name , your ancestors must have come from Austria

Or maybe a man from Austria ( A match- Sheduhe) came to marry  a women  in Maramures Region  

Your other question don’t know how to resolve it.

Good Luck



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Romania + 40-74-414-5351

Israel 972-54-228-8141


Re: Post WWII relatives records in Brussels, Belgium - JAKUBOWICZ #general

Diane Jacobs

If they originally came from the Russian  Empire, you may be able to locate records on databases. 

Diane Jacobs 

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From: aviv_ya@...
Date: 7/26/20 12:29 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [] Post WWII relatives records in Brussels, Belgium - JAKUBOWICZ #general

Hi Sylvia,
I don't live in Belgium. But if for example a same related cousin lives in Brussels, how should he prove he is a a relative of the person?
We don't have any offical documents. Just names, address and pictures with references.

Best regards,
Aviv Yahav
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: Albert and Magdalena Eisenbeis or Eisenbeisz #germany #canada


Hi Anita Karen

Which documents of Albert and Magdalena Eisenbeiss/Eisenbeisz do you already have? Did you find their passenger manifest? Did they travel alone or with some children? If they had children born in Germany it would be helpful to know their names and dates too. I only know of a town called Glücksstadt which is situated in Schleswig-Holstein in North Germany. But I don't know anything about Jewish records of Glücksstadt of the 19th Century, because this is not my research area. Did you also try to research the Eisenbeisz-families in California? Maybe it could be helpful to look at their ship manifests and naturalisations too. You should find all this (and other Californian) documents on familysearch.

Corinne Iten

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