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age of majority in #hungary in 1938? #hungary

tom
 

in trying to decipher the meaning of a newspaper advertisement of an estate auction, i came across a list of the heirs.  4 of the children are listed as married, and include the names of their spouses.  and then there are 5 more, listed as “underage”.

what would have been the age of majority in hungary in 1938?

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Re: Louis (Ludwig) LILIENTHAL in Minden #germany #holocaust

hennyhouweling@...
 

On www.geneanet.org I found a family tree, in which Louis LILIENTHAL (Minden May 9, 1882-) was mentioned, who was submitted by Guy Sternberg.

Best regards,
Henny Houweling-Zwart, Nieuwkoop, the Netherlands.


Re: 2020 US Census - further thoughts #general

mokappy@...
 

I have long been concerned with the thought  that all of the historical documents which historians have used to bring us biographies of long gone men and woman are no longer being created.  
Where are the letters? Could so many of the important historical books have been written without access to troves of letters?
I have no confidence that whatever is stored in the cloud or in some archive will be available 50, 75, 100 years from now.


Accessing Record of Leipzig, Germany #germany

Mark Halpern
 

I am interested in tracking my great uncle, Josef TENENBAUM, in Leipzig, Germany. The question I have is what records can I access for Leipzig. I am interested in when Josef and his wife arrived in Leipzig, any children born to the couple there, and his death record/certificate from 1915. 

Josef TENENBAUM recte GRUNSEID was born in 1874 in Tarnopol. He was married in Lwow in 1899 to Chaje SAPHIR recte TEITELBAUM, who was born in Tarnopol in 1875. No children of this couple are found in Lwow or any other Galician town. Josef's 1915 death in Leipzig is recorded in 1917 in Tarnopol (#448 here http://agadd2.home.net.pl/metrykalia/300/sygn.%203926/pages/1_300_0_0_3926_0066.htm).

My theory is that Josef and his wife moved to Leipzig soon after marriage, where he lived, had children, and worked until his death on 28 September 1915 in Leipzig at (I think) Eutritzscher strasse #7, his home address. 

Would like to know if Leipzig births for 1900-1915 survived and where to find them. Same for 1915 deaths. Also would like to know when Josef arrived in Leipzig if that is possible. 

Thank you and stay safe everyone.

Mark Halpern
Sheltering in place in Conshohocken, PA, USA


ViewMate translation request - Yiddish #yiddish #lithuania #translation

Michael Herzlich
 

Resubmitting form I sent earlier without the neccessary information.

I've posted a vital record in Yiddish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

I have posted a short message from the back of a photo card of woman that was given to Miriam Magilner (Meri-Leje Sapockaite) 5 years before emigrating to the US from Lithuania.  This is one of about 15 from the album that date to the 1930's.  Looking for details such a names, places, relationship. The stamp on the card appears to be Utena.
Thank you very much.

Michael Herzlich
Delray Beach, Florida USA

Belarus - EPSTEIN, HELFAND, POLLACK
Galicia (Poland, Ukraine) - HERZLICH, TREIBER


Re: 2020 US Census, post census thoughts #general

Lee Jaffe
 

A couple points about the census not already discussed.  

One of my first encounters with census data was hearing about a research project at U of Penn where they were mapping ethnicity/country of origin and occupation over several decades around the turn of the century to look at social and economic mobility.  This was in the mid-1970s when computers were still rare and the size of a room.  All the coding had to be done by hand and rendering the output in map form was a challenge the research team hadn't worked out.  I learned about this at a party of grad students when I happened to mention that my grandfather had told me he'd worked as a cigar maker and my classmate's husband told me that was a very common job for Jews in Philadelphia at that time. He proceeded to describe the research project and other early findings about the city's population they were gleaning from the census polls.   

I have wondered about the difference in data collected from the earlier handwritten, face-to-face enumerations to the current polls collected by mail or online.  The later ones will be easier to read -- less confusion about handwriting -- but I've always found something special when reading the handwritten entries. (Of course, there are the unfortunate mistakes, as well. My great grandmother Dora being transcribed Iona, for instance.)  In each case, I find myself wondering which family member answered the door and whether the variations in spelling and dates was due to their familiarity with English or the thickness of their accents.  In one case I discovered that the census taker was a relative. In those entries, where county of birth was asked, she entered Grodno, Russia, and Grodno was crossed out.  Ancestry's transcription only recorded Russia, but seeing the original entry is so much more revealing. One wonders how much will be lost to the Procrustean bed of automation.

Finally, as described by others, the Census has often asked a lot of questions that were unnecessary for its Constitutional mandate.  A simple enumeration of those living in a household  would suffice.   To this, I point out that the Census Bureau is under the Dept. of Commerce. But like others,  I appreciate that other data was reported. The question about number of children born/still living asked in 1900 and 1910, has helped solve more than one point of confusion about my great-grandparents and the next generation.  In the 1940 Census, they asked where you were living in 1935. My great uncle answered Norway: he'd actually been working for a Soviet newspaper in Moscow then, but knew better than tell a US official that.  But even the lie helps confirm the family legend about his exploits.

However, during the debate about adding citizenship questions to the 2020 Census, I came across an excellent article showing how those questions in the past polls were explicitly fueled by anti-immigrant movements.  The questions were put there as part of often-successful campaigns to limit further immigration. (It was irrefutably proved to be directed at voter suppression -- immigrants voting overwhelmingly Democrat -- in this Census.)  As genealogists, we may lament the sparser record collected now, but as children of those who were lucky enough to make it to safer shores (wherever you are) before reactionary forces slammed the door, I hope we can appreciate the context for the shorter questionnaire.

Lee Jaffe
JOROFF/SCHWARTZ/KOSHKIN


Re: Visas issued overseas (Riga, Latvia) in 1926 #latvia

Renée K. Carl
 

Hi Ellen
None of the consular records I mentioned are online. You have to research them in person. The National Archives will not perform a search for you, they will help you plan your visit and use the records, but they do not perform searches.

The House Registers are available on FamilySearch in the catalog as a BROWSE, not indexed. This is a link to just SOME of the files: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/3032312?availability=Family%20History%20Library
To see what else is available, or to see other locations and what might be available to browse, go to FamilySearch.org. Under the SEARCH tab, select CATALOG. Enter a place (geographic location), hit enter, and it will list what is available.

Happy hunting!
Renee


Adoption of maternal names #names #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

There were cases of men who married women from Rabbinical lineage and
took the wife's maiden name as their family names. One example is the
son of a Rabbi David, Rav of Novarodok who married a HOROWITZ (from
Minsk) and he adopted her family name due to its famed rabbinical
lineage. This is a case in which a HOROWITZ was not a levite (Levi) as
are almost all of the HOROWITZ clan. Of course all their male
descendants will not levites .

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Deaths at sea during transatlantic crossings #general

Pamela Jacobs
 

According to my grandmother (reported by my mother), she sailed from Liverpool to NY in 1907, accompanied by her 6-month-old son. She stated that the infant became ill and died during the sea voyage. Assuming this is accurate, would there be documentation somewhere that might confirm this? When I read the ship's manifest, I think i see a barely legible notation next to his name stating "died" in parentheses. But I could be seeing this because I'm searching for it.

On the same topic, what would have been the disposition of the body of an infant who died at sea? Burial at sea? Would there have been a mechanism for notifying the child's father (who was already in the U.S.) of this event?


My great hunt Rachel Levinsky #names #israel

JOSEPH GODELNIK
 

Hi, my name is Yossi Godelnik and I am working on my mother family tree - Ginzburg. I try to find relatives of my mother - hunt Rachel (Rochel, Rychel) Levinsky - Ginzburg. Rachel ginzburg was born at April 15, 1885 in Jerusalem to Shmuel Yosef Ginzburg. She married to Levinsky, I think he was Rabbi, and immigrate with him to USA at early 20th century (I think 1909). I know for sure that they have a son and might be they have also a daughter. Around 1950 she came back (alone) to Israel and stay in Bnei Brak (she was very religious women). She died on 2.2.1979. I will appreciate to find more details about her family.


--
Jgodelnik


Re: Louis (Ludwig) LILIENTHAL in Minden #germany #holocaust

Melchiorsh@...
 

This is Louis Lilienthal's birth certificate. To my regret, I don't have more information. The doc. confirm his birthplace and the date
Shlomo Melchior
Ramat Gan 
Israel


New Database on IGRA’s Website Holocaust Survivors #holocaust

Elena Bazes
 

In observance of Yom Ha’Shoa (Holocaust Day) in Israel, the Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA) has just released a new database which includes 20 files of Holocaust Survivors with over 40,000 names.

There are over 1,500,000 records available in our databases. With each release we provide a variety of records to our collection. 

A preview of the database is available at 

 

https://www.slideshare.net/igra3/2020-04-igra-release-holocaust-Survivors-1945

 

 

List of Jewish Women from Hungary and Transylvania Found at Wurzen

 

List of Jewish Survivors in Some Italian Cities

 

List of Jewish Survivors from Eastern European Towns

 

List of Surviving Jews in Poland (submitted by the Jewish Committee in Krakow)

 

List of Czechoslovakians Liberated from German Concentration Camps

 

List of Jewish Survivors Arrived in Amsterdam from Concentration Camps

 

List of Jews Found Surviving in Holland

 

List of Polish Jews Liberated from the Bergen-Belsen Camp

 

List of Jews Liberated from Camp Dora (Nordhausen)

 

List of Repatriated Czechoslovakian Nationals Registered at the Repatriation Office at Kosice

 

List of Jewish Survivors in Milan

 

List of Polish Jews Liberated from the Dachau Camp

 

List of Bucharest Jews Surviving in Poland

 

List of Jewish Survivors Found in Gyor

 

List of Czechoslovakian Nationals Registered in the Bergen-Belsen Camp on May 9

 

List of Czechoslovakian Nationals Registered in the Bergen-Belsen Camp April 4-May 7

 

List of Jewish Survivors Liberated from the Salzwedel Camp

 

List of Dutch Jewish Survivors Arrived in Sweden

 

List of Jews from Budapest in Northern Italy

 

List of Jewish Survivors Found in Theresienstadt on May 10, 1945

 

 

Before viewing the databases, please register for free on the IGRA website:

 

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To search the databases, go to the database tab on the website’s homepage. 

 

Please note, the IGRA databases are now searchable to all registrants. The search results page is also available to all registrants. Additional details regarding most databases are available only to paid IGRA members. Certain exceptions exist due to requests of the specific archives.

 

Elena Biegel Bazes

IGRA Publicity Chair

 


At a dead end: searching for the siblings of Oskar Wurzel #poland

Reinier
 

Oskar Wurzel was born in May, 1893, in Poland.
According to his daughter, he was born in Tarnow, and according to his death certificate from Gusen (a subcamp of Mauthausen), he was born in Gorlice.

Tarnow is where he grew up. His parents were called Abraham Wurzel and Sure Fenig. He studied at a yeshiva in Tarnow and was planning to become a rabbi.
Instead, he unexpectedly became atheist. This was not accepted by his parents, and he left Tarnow for Kolozsvar, nowadays called Cluj, in Romania. He worked his way up and had his own hotel and also started a factory there. In 1919, he married Erszebet Fulop, and they had two children in the 1920's in Cluj. Eszebet left him in 1929, and later, Oskar married for a second time, with a woman called Boriska.

In May 1944, Oskar and Boriska were sent to the ghetto of Cluj. From there, they were deported to Auschwitz, where Boriska was gassed upon arrival. Oskar was transferred to Gusen, where he died in September 1944. 

I have been searching for his siblings for a very long time, but the search remains fruitless. I hope perhaps somebody might be able to help.

Reinier
The Netherlands


Re: Moltovichi, Belarus #belarus

Martha Forsyth
 

Let's hear it for having spent a lot of time looking at old maps, and collecting scans of many of them!  Somewhere along the line, about 5 years ago, I came across a map of the Mogilev region.  I stupidly did NOT annotate where I found it....but I save a pdf file from it that is named "32 Mogilev gubernia 1871 -q" (the -q is my way of putting a question mark into a file name: I was not quite sure of the date).  Since the record that led you to the town name Molotovichi (an 1816 Census record) also included the towns of Cherikov and Krichev, we figured the three towns must not have been far apart.  So I enlarged the map enough to read the town names....and sure enough, there was a town named Malyatichi that makes a nice little triangle with Cherikov and Krichev!  I think I've found the place!  I am replying publicly because I think it's good to be reminded that maps are a wonderful resource (and fortunately I can read the Cyrillic)


Koltenon and Kamorannka - cities in Russia? Latvia? #lithuania #russia #latvia

BSR352
 

Good morning. 
I am trying to find the birthplace of a great grandfather who has written on different documents Russia/Latvia/Lithuania. The town listed on two documents is Koltenon (or Koltanon).

I thought it could be a border town between Latvia and Lithuania but haven't found anything that sounds similar. 

On his official Petition for Naturalization, in April 1925, he disavows allegiance to the Republic of Latvia in order to become a US citizen. 

At the same time, his wife is listed as being born in Kamorannka, Russia, which has also drawn a blank. 

Has anyone encountered Koltenon before? What about Kamorannka?

BR,
Bryan  


Translation of the two Memorial (Yizkor) Book of the Jewish Community of Ostrow Mazowiecka, Poland are available at reduced price #yizkorbooks #poland

Joel Alpert
 

Yizkor Books in Print is happy to make these two books available at a
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For more information and directions for ordering go to:
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Please note that there is a second Yizkor Book for Ostrow Mazowiecka
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Translation of the Miechov Memorial Book, including Charsznica and Ksiaz available at reduced price #yizkorbooks

Joel Alpert
 

Yizkor Books in Print is happy to make this book available at a
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Translation of the Memorial Book of Tluste (Tovste), Ukraine available at reduced price #yizkorbooks #ukraine

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BOAZ / BOAS family from Schwerin, Mecklenberg #germany

Ted Kotzin
 

 

 

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I am researching Otillie and Herman Boaz, form Schwerin, north Germany.  They apparently were sister and brother. Otille, born 1850, married David Neumann of Frankfurt in Berlin (or London?) in  1875, came th the US from London about 1881, lived in Edenton NC for a while, and went to New York before 1900.

 

Herman Boaz was born in 1854, married Ernestine (Esther) Lowenthal, from Bomst,  (now Babimost) in Prussia, west of Posen (Poznan); they came to New York and then North Carolina, eventually settling in Atlanta.

 

IUs anyone familiar with  this BoazBoas family

 

Ted Kotzin,   Torrance CA   TKotzin4713@...

 

 


Re: Louis (Ludwig) LILIENTHAL in Minden #germany #holocaust

Rodney Eisfelder
 

Mike,
In the Jewishgen Holocaust database, the "German Towns Project" collection includes two Ludwig Lilienthals. It sounds as if the information you gave is a mashup of these two people.
One of them was born in Minden (but in 1858) and died in Unna (in 1935).
The other was born in Fürth in 1899, spent time in Dachau after Kristallnacht and was deported in 1941 from Nürnberg (Nuremberg).
(see https://www.mappingthelives.org or https://www.bundesarchiv.de/gedenkbuch/directory.html.de?id=916079 )

It might be worthwhile double-checking the sources. Do you have the birth record from Minden? Does it show that adopted the middle name "Israel" in 1939?

I hope this helps
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia