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"Proving" one is a Jew for purposes of burial at Weissensee #germany

jel <jel@...>
 

Today, to be interred at Weissensee requires proof that the deceased was
Jewish. This applies to Holocaust survivors around the world as well as
to Germans.

Per Weissensee [and I paraphrase here], the decision as to whether the
burial will be allowed is made by the (Kultus Abteilung) cultus/cultural
affairs department of the Jewish Community/Congregation of Berlin
(Juedische Gemeinde Berlin)

The cultural department, in turn, requires that the applicant provide
proof that the deceased was Jewish. Various kinds of documentation are
required, and all are checked thoroughly.

Knowledge that one's ancestors were Jewish is not enough. An example of
what the Jewish Congregation of Berlin considers proof of Jewishness for
purposes of becoming a member probably apply here: a Bar Mitzvah
certificate, a Ketuba, or a written statement >from a rabbi certifying
that the applicant is Jewish.

The person involved here had none of these. She emigrated >from Berlin in
1937, and thereafter lived a generally secular life. Her mother, who was
killed by the Nazis, is buried at Weissensee. Her maternal grandparents
are both buried there, as well as numerous other relatives. Although
these burials can be proved via their Weissensee records, they really
don't satisfy the required criteria of proof for this person. In the
U.S., she was not an observant Jew, nor was she affiliated with a
congregation, and her son has no knowledge as to her being a member of
the Jewish Congregation in Berlin. Her son is observant, but his rabbi
cannot write a certifying statement for a person he did not know.

I would appreciate suggestions >from anyone who has had a similar
experience with Weissensee, or who knows what would suffice as "proof"
in lieu of the documents listed. Thank you in advance,

Judith Lipmanson, Smyrna, Delaware, USA jel@lipmanson.net


German SIG #Germany "Proving" one is a Jew for purposes of burial at Weissensee #germany

jel <jel@...>
 

Today, to be interred at Weissensee requires proof that the deceased was
Jewish. This applies to Holocaust survivors around the world as well as
to Germans.

Per Weissensee [and I paraphrase here], the decision as to whether the
burial will be allowed is made by the (Kultus Abteilung) cultus/cultural
affairs department of the Jewish Community/Congregation of Berlin
(Juedische Gemeinde Berlin)

The cultural department, in turn, requires that the applicant provide
proof that the deceased was Jewish. Various kinds of documentation are
required, and all are checked thoroughly.

Knowledge that one's ancestors were Jewish is not enough. An example of
what the Jewish Congregation of Berlin considers proof of Jewishness for
purposes of becoming a member probably apply here: a Bar Mitzvah
certificate, a Ketuba, or a written statement >from a rabbi certifying
that the applicant is Jewish.

The person involved here had none of these. She emigrated >from Berlin in
1937, and thereafter lived a generally secular life. Her mother, who was
killed by the Nazis, is buried at Weissensee. Her maternal grandparents
are both buried there, as well as numerous other relatives. Although
these burials can be proved via their Weissensee records, they really
don't satisfy the required criteria of proof for this person. In the
U.S., she was not an observant Jew, nor was she affiliated with a
congregation, and her son has no knowledge as to her being a member of
the Jewish Congregation in Berlin. Her son is observant, but his rabbi
cannot write a certifying statement for a person he did not know.

I would appreciate suggestions >from anyone who has had a similar
experience with Weissensee, or who knows what would suffice as "proof"
in lieu of the documents listed. Thank you in advance,

Judith Lipmanson, Smyrna, Delaware, USA jel@lipmanson.net


INTRO - researching GRAUMAN family from Brodnica, now Poland; COHEN family from Duisburg, Germany #germany

atjune@...
 

Hello GerSig,
I recently joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for
about 18 months. I consider myself to be a beginner in doing German
Jewish Genealogy research. I live in rural Missouri, United States.
My native language is English. I consider myself intermediate in using
a computer. My experience in using the Internet is extensive.

I have identified the names and birth and death dates of all of my
grandparents, six of my great grandparents, and seven of my great
great grandparents. I have also identified the names and birth
dates of third, fourth, and fifth great grandfathers (GRAUMAN,
LAZARUS, OBERDORFER, BLOCK).

My JGFF Researcher ID number is 616088.

The family names and ancestral towns that I have entered in the JGFF
(JewishGen Family Finder) are:
1 BLOCK - Schopfloch to New York in 1854, to Louisville KY by 1860.
2 COHEN - Duisburg .
3 GRAUMAN - Brodnica, sailed >from Bremen to New York in 1850 , to
Louisville by 1860, to Marvell and Helena Arkansas in the 1900's.
4 KOCH - Wallerstein
5 LAZARUS - Pfungstadt, sailed >from Antwerp to New York 1850,
to Oregon and Idaho in 1850's and 1860's, to Louisville by 1869.
6 OBERDORFER - Wallerstein

One of my primary research goals is to find more information on the
ancestors of Amelia COHEN (born 1818 possibly in Duisburg,
father-Hirsch COHEN). She married George GRAUMAN and lived
in Louisville, KY in 1870. Another goal is to find where the
Isadore GRAUMAN family may have lived other than Brodnica and
to determine the birthplace of Isador's wife, Esther DAVIDSON GRAUMAN.
I believe she may be the same person listed as Ernstine GRAUMANN
in the Gersig Name Adoption List Index, Town Strasburg (now Brodnica).
I would like to know why she is listed there as a widow.

Ann Tettlebaum, atjune@aol.com California, Missouri, USA

WELCOME to GerSIG ! Thanks for your INTRO. You have collected an
amazing amount of information in your 18 months of German research.
You should post this message to the Early American SIG list also.
GerSIG Moderator


Viewmate: Given names on marriage certificate - Jasevy & Mary; Alkanon & Sara? #general

Michael Herzlich
 

I have a copy of a marriage certificate >from 1898 in NY City
for David Jablow and Fannie Epstein. I am having difficulty determining
who the parents are >from given names I am familiar with.
Particularly the father's names. The father's names have been indexed on
Ancestry as Jasevy and Alkanon. What are the possibilities others might
refer to them as. Based upon the date of the marriage and age of the
bride likely male Epstein given names I am aware of are:
Isaiah Leib (Yeshaye Leib), Bernard, Yehoshua Leib (Sam), or a
possible fourth brother I am not yet aware of. These brothers had
children >from 1859 until 1894 so the year of the marriage seems to
fit this generation.

My belief is that Jasevy is Isaiah. I suspect this because Isaiah's
wife was Mashe Lebowich. The witness, Abraham Gamrin was a son-in-law of
Isaiah. Also, the first child of Fanny and David was names Isaiah.
So how might Jasevy or some variation map to Isaiah?

For the grooms family I have not come across the name Alkanon before.
The grooms mother appears to me as Sara Levin. Am I reading the names correctly?
What are other possibilities Alkanon might be interpreted as in English?

I have uploaded viewmate 39282 with an image of the certificate.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM39282

Thank you for your assistance. You can respond to me directly
( mherzlich@yahoo.com ), to viewmate or to the list if you think the
response is of general interest.

Michael Herzlich
HERZLICH (Bilina Wielka, Sambor, Dobromil, Przemysl, New York City)
EPSTEIN, HELFAND, POLLACK (Slutsk, Minsk, Mir, New York City and Boston)


German SIG #Germany INTRO - researching GRAUMAN family from Brodnica, now Poland; COHEN family from Duisburg, Germany #germany

atjune@...
 

Hello GerSig,
I recently joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for
about 18 months. I consider myself to be a beginner in doing German
Jewish Genealogy research. I live in rural Missouri, United States.
My native language is English. I consider myself intermediate in using
a computer. My experience in using the Internet is extensive.

I have identified the names and birth and death dates of all of my
grandparents, six of my great grandparents, and seven of my great
great grandparents. I have also identified the names and birth
dates of third, fourth, and fifth great grandfathers (GRAUMAN,
LAZARUS, OBERDORFER, BLOCK).

My JGFF Researcher ID number is 616088.

The family names and ancestral towns that I have entered in the JGFF
(JewishGen Family Finder) are:
1 BLOCK - Schopfloch to New York in 1854, to Louisville KY by 1860.
2 COHEN - Duisburg .
3 GRAUMAN - Brodnica, sailed >from Bremen to New York in 1850 , to
Louisville by 1860, to Marvell and Helena Arkansas in the 1900's.
4 KOCH - Wallerstein
5 LAZARUS - Pfungstadt, sailed >from Antwerp to New York 1850,
to Oregon and Idaho in 1850's and 1860's, to Louisville by 1869.
6 OBERDORFER - Wallerstein

One of my primary research goals is to find more information on the
ancestors of Amelia COHEN (born 1818 possibly in Duisburg,
father-Hirsch COHEN). She married George GRAUMAN and lived
in Louisville, KY in 1870. Another goal is to find where the
Isadore GRAUMAN family may have lived other than Brodnica and
to determine the birthplace of Isador's wife, Esther DAVIDSON GRAUMAN.
I believe she may be the same person listed as Ernstine GRAUMANN
in the Gersig Name Adoption List Index, Town Strasburg (now Brodnica).
I would like to know why she is listed there as a widow.

Ann Tettlebaum, atjune@aol.com California, Missouri, USA

WELCOME to GerSIG ! Thanks for your INTRO. You have collected an
amazing amount of information in your 18 months of German research.
You should post this message to the Early American SIG list also.
GerSIG Moderator


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate: Given names on marriage certificate - Jasevy & Mary; Alkanon & Sara? #general

Michael Herzlich
 

I have a copy of a marriage certificate >from 1898 in NY City
for David Jablow and Fannie Epstein. I am having difficulty determining
who the parents are >from given names I am familiar with.
Particularly the father's names. The father's names have been indexed on
Ancestry as Jasevy and Alkanon. What are the possibilities others might
refer to them as. Based upon the date of the marriage and age of the
bride likely male Epstein given names I am aware of are:
Isaiah Leib (Yeshaye Leib), Bernard, Yehoshua Leib (Sam), or a
possible fourth brother I am not yet aware of. These brothers had
children >from 1859 until 1894 so the year of the marriage seems to
fit this generation.

My belief is that Jasevy is Isaiah. I suspect this because Isaiah's
wife was Mashe Lebowich. The witness, Abraham Gamrin was a son-in-law of
Isaiah. Also, the first child of Fanny and David was names Isaiah.
So how might Jasevy or some variation map to Isaiah?

For the grooms family I have not come across the name Alkanon before.
The grooms mother appears to me as Sara Levin. Am I reading the names correctly?
What are other possibilities Alkanon might be interpreted as in English?

I have uploaded viewmate 39282 with an image of the certificate.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM39282

Thank you for your assistance. You can respond to me directly
( mherzlich@yahoo.com ), to viewmate or to the list if you think the
response is of general interest.

Michael Herzlich
HERZLICH (Bilina Wielka, Sambor, Dobromil, Przemysl, New York City)
EPSTEIN, HELFAND, POLLACK (Slutsk, Minsk, Mir, New York City and Boston)


ViewMate translation request - French #france

safischer1@...
 

I've posted several pages >from a handwritten diary (French) for which I
need either a translation or even just a clearer rendition of the
French. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM39269

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you so much.

Sharon Fischer
Medford, MA


French SIG #France ViewMate translation request - French #france

safischer1@...
 

I've posted several pages >from a handwritten diary (French) for which I
need either a translation or even just a clearer rendition of the
French. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM39269

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you so much.

Sharon Fischer
Medford, MA


Hager rabbis in Golders Green #general

Neil@...
 

Looking for help in updating this family and how to make contact with them.

R. Issachar DovBerish Hager, 1877-1966, elder son, succeeded his
father as ABD Storozhinets, married his cousin, Sheina Rachel of
Peczenizyn (south of Stansilawow). He found refuge in Vienna during
WWI and moved to London in 1938 where he established the first
Chassidic shtiebel in Golders Green which became known as the Beit
Medrash Yissachar Dov (Hager's) which remains a Union-unaffiliated
synagogue.

Father of -
1. R. Herschel (Zvi) Hager, 1908-1972, succeeded his father as ABD of
the Hager's shtiebel and continued to operate as a diamond merchant
in Golders Green whose sons are R. Gershon Hager, born in 1945,
succeeded his father as ABD in 1972 and R. Jacob (Yankel) Hager, born
in 1949.
2. R. Menachem Mendel Hager, born in 1910.

Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Private responses please


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hager rabbis in Golders Green #general

Neil@...
 

Looking for help in updating this family and how to make contact with them.

R. Issachar DovBerish Hager, 1877-1966, elder son, succeeded his
father as ABD Storozhinets, married his cousin, Sheina Rachel of
Peczenizyn (south of Stansilawow). He found refuge in Vienna during
WWI and moved to London in 1938 where he established the first
Chassidic shtiebel in Golders Green which became known as the Beit
Medrash Yissachar Dov (Hager's) which remains a Union-unaffiliated
synagogue.

Father of -
1. R. Herschel (Zvi) Hager, 1908-1972, succeeded his father as ABD of
the Hager's shtiebel and continued to operate as a diamond merchant
in Golders Green whose sons are R. Gershon Hager, born in 1945,
succeeded his father as ABD in 1972 and R. Jacob (Yankel) Hager, born
in 1949.
2. R. Menachem Mendel Hager, born in 1910.

Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Private responses please


runaway marriage 1900-1920 mid-Atlantic states #general

Natalie & Ernie Hartz
 

Steve Pickholtz asked where a person with NJ and PA ties might have gone to
be married 1900-1920.

In 1910, my maternal grandparents went to Providence RI to be married (civil
ceremony) because according to NY law they were too closely related to be
married in NY. Grandma always told me they were cousins, but when my uncle
started the family tree he discovered that Grandpa was her half uncle, we
think. It appears as if Grandma's mother was Grandpa's half sister. Hard to
grasp, I know.

Why Providence RI? Who knows? Maybe it was the closest and easiest state to
get to by train. I'm sure they were also married in a religious ceremony by
her father, who was licensed to perform marriages in NY (he also performed
my parent's religious ceremony), but the marriage record for my grandparents
is definitely listed in Providence.

Natalie Hartz
East Windsor, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen runaway marriage 1900-1920 mid-Atlantic states #general

Natalie & Ernie Hartz
 

Steve Pickholtz asked where a person with NJ and PA ties might have gone to
be married 1900-1920.

In 1910, my maternal grandparents went to Providence RI to be married (civil
ceremony) because according to NY law they were too closely related to be
married in NY. Grandma always told me they were cousins, but when my uncle
started the family tree he discovered that Grandpa was her half uncle, we
think. It appears as if Grandma's mother was Grandpa's half sister. Hard to
grasp, I know.

Why Providence RI? Who knows? Maybe it was the closest and easiest state to
get to by train. I'm sure they were also married in a religious ceremony by
her father, who was licensed to perform marriages in NY (he also performed
my parent's religious ceremony), but the marriage record for my grandparents
is definitely listed in Providence.

Natalie Hartz
East Windsor, NJ


SACHS/SACKS, FUTERAN, GEFFEN, MILLER & KARBUZ families in South Africa #general

Daniel Gleek
 

Dear Genners,

Please only reply if you specifically have these specific names on
your tree and can help.

Mr Alex SACHS/SACKS married Charlotte in Paarl, South Africa in 1920s.
They went on to have at least 2 sons, the elder called Jeffrey SACHS/SACKS.

Their wedding photo shows relatives Phillip FUTERAN and his wife Annie Jean
GEFFEN (she was >from London).

They may have had sons Gerald and Barry FUTERAN; one may have had a son
Martin FUTERAN.

The family owned a haberdashery/textile business in Cape Town which is now a
theatre and museum.

The SACHS/SACKS and FUTERAN families also link to a MILLER family, which
settled in Paarl, South Africa, in the early 1900s. They had 3 girls and a boy.
A Jane married a MILLER (forename Lucky?) and had Leon and Hilda (1918-98).
Hilda MILLER married Joseph FAINSTEIN. Their daughter was Anse.

If Annie Jean GEFFEN and Mrs Jane MILLER were sisters then a third may have
been..
Rochel Etel IOFE/JAFFE/YOFFE who wed Mosha-Leib KARBUZ in Kupiskis, before
going to SA.

If you have these surnames on your tree and can help, please email me.
Thank you,
Daniel GLEEK in London
daniel@lobbus.co.uk


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SACHS/SACKS, FUTERAN, GEFFEN, MILLER & KARBUZ families in South Africa #general

Daniel Gleek
 

Dear Genners,

Please only reply if you specifically have these specific names on
your tree and can help.

Mr Alex SACHS/SACKS married Charlotte in Paarl, South Africa in 1920s.
They went on to have at least 2 sons, the elder called Jeffrey SACHS/SACKS.

Their wedding photo shows relatives Phillip FUTERAN and his wife Annie Jean
GEFFEN (she was >from London).

They may have had sons Gerald and Barry FUTERAN; one may have had a son
Martin FUTERAN.

The family owned a haberdashery/textile business in Cape Town which is now a
theatre and museum.

The SACHS/SACKS and FUTERAN families also link to a MILLER family, which
settled in Paarl, South Africa, in the early 1900s. They had 3 girls and a boy.
A Jane married a MILLER (forename Lucky?) and had Leon and Hilda (1918-98).
Hilda MILLER married Joseph FAINSTEIN. Their daughter was Anse.

If Annie Jean GEFFEN and Mrs Jane MILLER were sisters then a third may have
been..
Rochel Etel IOFE/JAFFE/YOFFE who wed Mosha-Leib KARBUZ in Kupiskis, before
going to SA.

If you have these surnames on your tree and can help, please email me.
Thank you,
Daniel GLEEK in London
daniel@lobbus.co.uk


VOLOVICH, FAKTOR & HURWITZ in South Africa #general

Daniel Gleek
 

Dear Genners,

A cousin is searching for information on Janie VOLOVICH (born 1900-1910).
Born in Lithuania, she came briefly to the UK and emigrated to South Africa
in 1916.
There she wed Israel SCHOLNICK (a cousin?) in Cape Town.
Her descendants went on to marry FAKTORs and HURWITZs.
The connection may be through a family called IOFE/YOFFE/JAFFE.

If you have these surnames on your tree and can help, please email me.
Thank you,
Daniel GLEEK in London
daniel@lobbus.co.uk


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VOLOVICH, FAKTOR & HURWITZ in South Africa #general

Daniel Gleek
 

Dear Genners,

A cousin is searching for information on Janie VOLOVICH (born 1900-1910).
Born in Lithuania, she came briefly to the UK and emigrated to South Africa
in 1916.
There she wed Israel SCHOLNICK (a cousin?) in Cape Town.
Her descendants went on to marry FAKTORs and HURWITZs.
The connection may be through a family called IOFE/YOFFE/JAFFE.

If you have these surnames on your tree and can help, please email me.
Thank you,
Daniel GLEEK in London
daniel@lobbus.co.uk


Additions to IGRA's Databases #general

Garri Regev
 

IGRA released the first installment of information regarding the
Illegal Immigration period to Israel. The information comes >from three
sources:

Atlit Database Index - In cooperation with "Bintivey Ha'apala"
Clandestine Jewish Immigration Information and Research Center in
Memory of Admiral Mordechai (Moka) Limon we are posting a partial
index of their database. Their databases span >from the late 1930's
through a few years after the recognition of the State of Israel.

Deportation Lists 1939 - This database is composed of "duplicate"
lists found in a file of the British Police in the Israel State
Archives. It contains lists of people who were on 13 ships that were
captured in 1939. The database includes the names of 6,282.

The Illegal Immigrants 1939 -1948 - The lists come >from a variety of
places - most are Jewish Agency offices, some elsewhere. All are
currently in the Central Zionist Archives. Some lists are in English
and some lists are in Hebrew, therefore there will be two databases
depending on the language of the original documents. This will be an
ongoing project over many years, with updates of additional names to
the database.

Please understand that each document has different kinds of
information available. We are working to quickly fix a problem where
the name of the Ship is not showing on the result page.

With these additions there are now over 440,000 lines of data
available!

http://genealogy.org.il/AID/index.php

Garri Regev
President, IGRA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Additions to IGRA's Databases #general

Garri Regev
 

IGRA released the first installment of information regarding the
Illegal Immigration period to Israel. The information comes >from three
sources:

Atlit Database Index - In cooperation with "Bintivey Ha'apala"
Clandestine Jewish Immigration Information and Research Center in
Memory of Admiral Mordechai (Moka) Limon we are posting a partial
index of their database. Their databases span >from the late 1930's
through a few years after the recognition of the State of Israel.

Deportation Lists 1939 - This database is composed of "duplicate"
lists found in a file of the British Police in the Israel State
Archives. It contains lists of people who were on 13 ships that were
captured in 1939. The database includes the names of 6,282.

The Illegal Immigrants 1939 -1948 - The lists come >from a variety of
places - most are Jewish Agency offices, some elsewhere. All are
currently in the Central Zionist Archives. Some lists are in English
and some lists are in Hebrew, therefore there will be two databases
depending on the language of the original documents. This will be an
ongoing project over many years, with updates of additional names to
the database.

Please understand that each document has different kinds of
information available. We are working to quickly fix a problem where
the name of the Ship is not showing on the result page.

With these additions there are now over 440,000 lines of data
available!

http://genealogy.org.il/AID/index.php

Garri Regev
President, IGRA


Mariage Certificate in Moscow region #general

Mjn519@...
 

Is there a way to get a marriage certificate for someone in the
Naro-Fomisk area (Moscow region, Russia) who may have married
around 1984-85? Or is this information private?

Thank you.

Marie Lubman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mariage Certificate in Moscow region #general

Mjn519@...
 

Is there a way to get a marriage certificate for someone in the
Naro-Fomisk area (Moscow region, Russia) who may have married
around 1984-85? Or is this information private?

Thank you.

Marie Lubman

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