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Plunge - are you connected? #southafrica

Eli Rabinowitz
 

Hi All

I'm pleased to advise that I have adopted the Plunge (Plungyan) Lithuania
Kehilalink.

I visited there in May this year and was given an excellent tour by Eugene Bunkas.

For more, visit:

http://elirab.me/2014/06/03/plunge-salantai-plateliai-lithuania/

The Plunge kehilalink address is:

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/plunge/plunge.html

If you have a connection with Plungyan, please contact me so that we can work
together to update this site to honour the memory of those who came >from this
shtetl.

I would appreciate your input, photos, stories, memoirs etc, whether you live in
South Africa, Israel, US, Australia or elsewhere.

G'mar Chatimah Tova

Eli Rabinowitz
Perth, Australia
eli@elirab.com


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Plunge - are you connected? #southafrica

Eli Rabinowitz
 

Hi All

I'm pleased to advise that I have adopted the Plunge (Plungyan) Lithuania
Kehilalink.

I visited there in May this year and was given an excellent tour by Eugene Bunkas.

For more, visit:

http://elirab.me/2014/06/03/plunge-salantai-plateliai-lithuania/

The Plunge kehilalink address is:

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/plunge/plunge.html

If you have a connection with Plungyan, please contact me so that we can work
together to update this site to honour the memory of those who came >from this
shtetl.

I would appreciate your input, photos, stories, memoirs etc, whether you live in
South Africa, Israel, US, Australia or elsewhere.

G'mar Chatimah Tova

Eli Rabinowitz
Perth, Australia
eli@elirab.com


Plunge - please make contact #lithuania

Eli Rabinowitz
 

Hi All

I'm pleased to advise that I have adopted the Plunge (Plungyan)
Lithuania Kehilalink.

I visited there in May this year and was given an excellent tour by
Eugene Bunkas.

For more, visit:

http://elirab.me/2014/06/03/plunge-salantai-plateliai-lithuania/

The Plunge Kehilalink address is:

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/plunge/plunge.html

If you have a connection with Plungyan, please contact me so that we can
work together to update this site to honour the memory of those who came
from this shtetl.
I would appreciate your input, photos, stories, memoirs etc, whether you
live in South Africa, Israel, US, Australia or elsewhere.

G'mar Chatimah Tova

Eli Rabinowitz
Perth, Australia
eli@elirab.com


Iasi Jewish Ancestors on Facebook #romania

Steve Herberman
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

I started a new Facebook group yesterday called Iasi Jewish Ancestors.
It is specifically meant for the discussion of our ancestors in Iasi and
surrounding areas such as Dranceni, Husi, Vaslui etc. I hope it becomes
an interesting forum in which members can share stories, photos,
genealogical findings and hopefully make some family connections. Simply
email me if you'd like to join the group.
Steve Herberman
Chevy Chase MD USA


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Plunge - please make contact #lithuania

Eli Rabinowitz
 

Hi All

I'm pleased to advise that I have adopted the Plunge (Plungyan)
Lithuania Kehilalink.

I visited there in May this year and was given an excellent tour by
Eugene Bunkas.

For more, visit:

http://elirab.me/2014/06/03/plunge-salantai-plateliai-lithuania/

The Plunge Kehilalink address is:

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/plunge/plunge.html

If you have a connection with Plungyan, please contact me so that we can
work together to update this site to honour the memory of those who came
from this shtetl.
I would appreciate your input, photos, stories, memoirs etc, whether you
live in South Africa, Israel, US, Australia or elsewhere.

G'mar Chatimah Tova

Eli Rabinowitz
Perth, Australia
eli@elirab.com


Romania SIG #Romania Iasi Jewish Ancestors on Facebook #romania

Steve Herberman
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

I started a new Facebook group yesterday called Iasi Jewish Ancestors.
It is specifically meant for the discussion of our ancestors in Iasi and
surrounding areas such as Dranceni, Husi, Vaslui etc. I hope it becomes
an interesting forum in which members can share stories, photos,
genealogical findings and hopefully make some family connections. Simply
email me if you'd like to join the group.
Steve Herberman
Chevy Chase MD USA


Re: Adoption of surnames in Iasi and surrounding areas #romania

Jeff at SG
 

Thanks Sorin.

I too am researching GOLDENBERG and BERNSTEIN ancestors >from Romania, so
what you write about Germanic surnames in Romania is very interesting and
confirms what I read elsewhere.

1. Did you discover where your Goldenberg ancestors came >from before
Romania?

2. Why are there so many Goldenberg families in Romania?

3. Also, Goldenberg seems to be mostly found in Romania. Elsewhere we find
Goldberg surnames, but Gold-en-berg (or Gold-em-berg) seems to be found
mainly in Romania. Do you have any thoughts on why?

Jeff Malka.
Virginia, USA


Subject: Re: Adoption of surnames in Iasi and surrounding areas
From: Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:01:14 +0300
X-Message-Number: 4

Steve, all

Romanian authorities never required explicitly Jews to adopt surnames.
One might understood, >from reading the Romanian Civil Code of 1865
that one ought to have a surname, but it wasn't explicitly mandated.
In 1895 the authorities have legislated "Legea asupra numelui" the
"law about the name". It required people to keep the name/surname
registered in the civil state documents. It also described the process
to change the name/surname. It also gave recommendations to villagers
that were without a surname how to adopt such a surname. This law
didn't mentioned Jews at all.

In 1949 the communist regime repeated the requirements of 1895 and
demanded the general population to register any name change. This
shows that the 1895 law wasn't obeyed.

About the Jews - as we know surnames were imposed upon most Ashkenazi
Jews following Joseph II's decree of 1787, copied in most of Europe in
the following decades.
The Ashkenazi Jews living in Romania didn't have surnames.
The Ashkenazi Jews that moved to Romania in the 1st half of the 19th
century might had surnames imposed by the authorities in the
neighboring countries. Of those, some might have gotten a permit to
leave in Romania, many didn't have. Those who didn't have might had
motives to get rid of the surnames - especially since they were not
Jewish tradition.

Little by little (probably depending on the location, social status,
etc...) Jews in Romania adopted surnames of different flavors -
Romanian, Ashkenazi, patronymics, etc. Sometimes several iterations
were made until reaching the final version. Many times, they didn't
bother to announce the authorities about the adopted surname. You
might find them either with the xxx sin yyy either with their chosen
surname.

I suspect that those who had surnames in the early days of
registration (1860s, 1870s), especially those with German surnames (no
reason to adopt such a surname in Romania) might have brought those
surname outside of Romania. I cannot prove this, as there are very few
records to document the process of immigrating into Romania in the
early 19th century.

Sorin Goldenberg

Israel


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Adoption of surnames in Iasi and surrounding areas #romania

Jeff at SG
 

Thanks Sorin.

I too am researching GOLDENBERG and BERNSTEIN ancestors >from Romania, so
what you write about Germanic surnames in Romania is very interesting and
confirms what I read elsewhere.

1. Did you discover where your Goldenberg ancestors came >from before
Romania?

2. Why are there so many Goldenberg families in Romania?

3. Also, Goldenberg seems to be mostly found in Romania. Elsewhere we find
Goldberg surnames, but Gold-en-berg (or Gold-em-berg) seems to be found
mainly in Romania. Do you have any thoughts on why?

Jeff Malka.
Virginia, USA


Subject: Re: Adoption of surnames in Iasi and surrounding areas
From: Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:01:14 +0300
X-Message-Number: 4

Steve, all

Romanian authorities never required explicitly Jews to adopt surnames.
One might understood, >from reading the Romanian Civil Code of 1865
that one ought to have a surname, but it wasn't explicitly mandated.
In 1895 the authorities have legislated "Legea asupra numelui" the
"law about the name". It required people to keep the name/surname
registered in the civil state documents. It also described the process
to change the name/surname. It also gave recommendations to villagers
that were without a surname how to adopt such a surname. This law
didn't mentioned Jews at all.

In 1949 the communist regime repeated the requirements of 1895 and
demanded the general population to register any name change. This
shows that the 1895 law wasn't obeyed.

About the Jews - as we know surnames were imposed upon most Ashkenazi
Jews following Joseph II's decree of 1787, copied in most of Europe in
the following decades.
The Ashkenazi Jews living in Romania didn't have surnames.
The Ashkenazi Jews that moved to Romania in the 1st half of the 19th
century might had surnames imposed by the authorities in the
neighboring countries. Of those, some might have gotten a permit to
leave in Romania, many didn't have. Those who didn't have might had
motives to get rid of the surnames - especially since they were not
Jewish tradition.

Little by little (probably depending on the location, social status,
etc...) Jews in Romania adopted surnames of different flavors -
Romanian, Ashkenazi, patronymics, etc. Sometimes several iterations
were made until reaching the final version. Many times, they didn't
bother to announce the authorities about the adopted surname. You
might find them either with the xxx sin yyy either with their chosen
surname.

I suspect that those who had surnames in the early days of
registration (1860s, 1870s), especially those with German surnames (no
reason to adopt such a surname in Romania) might have brought those
surname outside of Romania. I cannot prove this, as there are very few
records to document the process of immigrating into Romania in the
early 19th century.

Sorin Goldenberg

Israel


Re: Jewish surnames in Romania #romania

Rafi Manory <rafael.manory@...>
 

I can add to this discussion >from stories of my mother. Her family
name was ALTERSON, and I am yet to find the family name of my great
grandfather. One thing I heard >from my mother though was that many
Jews selected German-sounding names in order to give the impression
that they were of Austrian origin. At the time Jews of Austrian origin
had Austrian citizenship, whereas in Romania citizenship was only
given to all Jews in 1923 after external pressure. So the Romanian
Jews were actually stateless until 1923, unless they managed to get
citizenship due to special circumstances.

Rafael


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Jewish surnames in Romania #romania

Rafi Manory <rafael.manory@...>
 

I can add to this discussion >from stories of my mother. Her family
name was ALTERSON, and I am yet to find the family name of my great
grandfather. One thing I heard >from my mother though was that many
Jews selected German-sounding names in order to give the impression
that they were of Austrian origin. At the time Jews of Austrian origin
had Austrian citizenship, whereas in Romania citizenship was only
given to all Jews in 1923 after external pressure. So the Romanian
Jews were actually stateless until 1923, unless they managed to get
citizenship due to special circumstances.

Rafael


ViewMate translation request - Russian #poland

Jerry Small
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. It
is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM35890
It is a birth record of Jonas Smolinski who may be my grandfather.
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Jerry Small
jerry.small1947@sbcglobal.net


Re: Adoption of surnames in Iasi and surrounding areas #romania

Amy B Cohen
 

Thank you to both Sorin Goldenberg and Luc Radu for the information
about Iasi records and the migration of Jews into Romania. >from what
you are saying, it seems that my Romanian ancestors probably did not
get to Iasi until sometime in the mid-19th century and that they may
very well have been in Galicia first. I find that rather ironic
because my grandfather, the Romanian, always used to tease my
grandmother about being a Galitizianer. Apparently he thought
Romanians were superior. Little did he know....

Sorin, thank you for that link, which I found very interesting. I did
not see any link to the Sudits census, however. Is it on that page?

Thank you, everyone. This is very helpful and extremely interesting.

Amy Cohen


JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate translation request - Russian #poland

Jerry Small
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation. It
is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM35890
It is a birth record of Jonas Smolinski who may be my grandfather.
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Jerry Small
jerry.small1947@sbcglobal.net


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Adoption of surnames in Iasi and surrounding areas #romania

Amy B Cohen
 

Thank you to both Sorin Goldenberg and Luc Radu for the information
about Iasi records and the migration of Jews into Romania. >from what
you are saying, it seems that my Romanian ancestors probably did not
get to Iasi until sometime in the mid-19th century and that they may
very well have been in Galicia first. I find that rather ironic
because my grandfather, the Romanian, always used to tease my
grandmother about being a Galitizianer. Apparently he thought
Romanians were superior. Little did he know....

Sorin, thank you for that link, which I found very interesting. I did
not see any link to the Sudits census, however. Is it on that page?

Thank you, everyone. This is very helpful and extremely interesting.

Amy Cohen


Krochmal Viewmate translation 2 for the price of 1 #poland

Steve Jaron
 

Hello,
I posted to Viewmate a record I found on JRI-Poland that contains two
Krochmal's that I am trying to figure out if and how they might be
connected to my Krochmals. If anyone can help me figure out what
records 29 and 30 say it would be greatly appreciated. If you have
any questions feel free to ask.

The link is http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM35888

Thanks in advance
-Steve

Currently researching: Krochmal's in and around Tarnopol and Zloczow.
Also looking at Rothstein, Zucker and Goldbrumm in Tarnopol and Tillinger in
Stanislwow on the side for now.

--
Steve Jaron
sjaron@gmail.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately or on the Viewmate form.


JRI Poland #Poland Krochmal Viewmate translation 2 for the price of 1 #poland

Steve Jaron
 

Hello,
I posted to Viewmate a record I found on JRI-Poland that contains two
Krochmal's that I am trying to figure out if and how they might be
connected to my Krochmals. If anyone can help me figure out what
records 29 and 30 say it would be greatly appreciated. If you have
any questions feel free to ask.

The link is http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM35888

Thanks in advance
-Steve

Currently researching: Krochmal's in and around Tarnopol and Zloczow.
Also looking at Rothstein, Zucker and Goldbrumm in Tarnopol and Tillinger in
Stanislwow on the side for now.

--
Steve Jaron
sjaron@gmail.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately or on the Viewmate form.


ViewMate Vital Records Translation Request - Russian - Birth record of Szprintze BIALY (Wlodawa) #poland

gbepy-ecomm1@...
 

This is likely my grandmother's birth record--Szprintze BIALY. Our
information was her father's name should be Mordechai and mother Chaya
Rachel. The information I can make out seems consistent. It would be very
good to confirm this and to know Chaya Rachel's maiden name, which I
can't make out. I am also uploading similar records of her sister,
Perla (VM35871), and brother, Elya (VM35872), in case the same information
is clearer on their records. Full translation would be welcome so as to
capture any important details, but I would also be grateful for just
essential information (names, places, ages, professions).

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM35870

Please respond through ViewMate or privately.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Gary Brown


JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate Vital Records Translation Request - Russian - Birth record of Szprintze BIALY (Wlodawa) #poland

gbepy-ecomm1@...
 

This is likely my grandmother's birth record--Szprintze BIALY. Our
information was her father's name should be Mordechai and mother Chaya
Rachel. The information I can make out seems consistent. It would be very
good to confirm this and to know Chaya Rachel's maiden name, which I
can't make out. I am also uploading similar records of her sister,
Perla (VM35871), and brother, Elya (VM35872), in case the same information
is clearer on their records. Full translation would be welcome so as to
capture any important details, but I would also be grateful for just
essential information (names, places, ages, professions).

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM35870

Please respond through ViewMate or privately.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Gary Brown


Re: Adoption of surnames in Iasi and surrounding areas #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

I indeed suspect that such surnames hint of origins in the Austrian
empire, which was not so far away. Seems that in the 1st half of the
19th century, conditions in the Romanian principality of Moldova were
better, so many have moved >from the provinces of Bukowina and Galicia
to Moldova.
About your ancestor being born in Iasi in 1824 - Our experience from
the neighboring Botosani county, where we've indexed more than 90000
records is that people usually would say they were born in Romania,
very few would point to out of Romania origins, for example in the
marriage records. Studying the marriage records of Iasi should teach
if same practice was observed.
For Iasi, there are quite a lot of censuses - not high quality as they
usually only record heads of families without too many extra details.
But you might start with the Sudits census - see
http://www.jewishgen.org/romsig/Sudits%20of%20Romania.html
and references.
There a few more lists - for example in "Izvoare si marturii
referitoare la evreii din Romania", vol 2 (2 parts).
Hope you find references to your ancestor.

Sorin Goldenberg
Israel


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Adoption of surnames in Iasi and surrounding areas #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

I indeed suspect that such surnames hint of origins in the Austrian
empire, which was not so far away. Seems that in the 1st half of the
19th century, conditions in the Romanian principality of Moldova were
better, so many have moved >from the provinces of Bukowina and Galicia
to Moldova.
About your ancestor being born in Iasi in 1824 - Our experience from
the neighboring Botosani county, where we've indexed more than 90000
records is that people usually would say they were born in Romania,
very few would point to out of Romania origins, for example in the
marriage records. Studying the marriage records of Iasi should teach
if same practice was observed.
For Iasi, there are quite a lot of censuses - not high quality as they
usually only record heads of families without too many extra details.
But you might start with the Sudits census - see
http://www.jewishgen.org/romsig/Sudits%20of%20Romania.html
and references.
There a few more lists - for example in "Izvoare si marturii
referitoare la evreii din Romania", vol 2 (2 parts).
Hope you find references to your ancestor.

Sorin Goldenberg
Israel

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