Re: ABILES/ ABELLES/ABELES of Hochlieben, Rakonitzer Kreis, Bohemia #austria-czech


On Wed, Feb 1, 2006 at 09:07 AM, Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@...> wrote:
4. As for ABELES(s) changing their names to something
else, that may have been due to the many ABELES versus
ROBITSCHEK jokes that were popular in the late
1800s... where Mr. ABELES was portrated as an Idiot
who debates things with "wise" Mr. ROBITSCHEK (or
robicsek) ... and those jokes were not an issue for my
g-grandfather Maxmilian ROBITSCHEK (born 1863 in
Radowesnitz) who married Regina ABELES (born 1873 in

Ron Herrmann, Bedminster, NJ, USA
MANDL >from Bohemia (mostly Saaz/Zatec and Prague).

Subject: ABILES/ ABELLES/ABELES of Hochlieben,
Rakonitzer Kreis, Bohemia
From: Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:15:12 -0800 (PST)

Wilma Iggers {nee ABELES} wrote to me and I have her
permission to quote:
"I would like to know more about my ABELES ancestors
and am willing to
share what I know. To introduce myself: I emigrated
from Czechoslovakia
with my family in 1938, to Canada. My father was
Karl (Karel) ABELES; his
father was Richard ABELES, {Jewish first name, after
his grandfather Rubin}.
His father was Israel ABELES.

He [Israel] and his wife Franziska and their 9
children - I know all their
names - lived in Hochlibin - Vysoka Libyna near
Kralovice. His father, [ie
Wilma's gtgtgrandfather] who spelled his name Rubin
ABELLES was born in 1790.

Israel had a brother Ignaz. Rubin's first wife's
name was Libuse, his
second, Ignaz's mother was Magdalena. I had some of
this info. >from
Magdalena's grandson, Dr. Hans ABELES [deceased] in
New Jersey."

Then there followed some personal contact info re
Hans' family. Wilma has
much of the ABELES data in the US [she is currently
in Germany] and she
also has compilation by Richard ABELES of Phoenix,
Arizona. Wilma then
"I have been hoping to do some research, but have
not had time, and have,
perhaps wrongly, thought that all I would find is
names and dates. I
would love to hear >from anybody who could tell me
more, and would be
glad to pass on what else I know. My info. about my
POPPER ancestors
and early relatives is about as extensive as about
the ABELES, less about
ORNSTEIN and FINGERS, my other grandparents and
their families."

Re: Shoshana and Theresia #israel

Valentin Lupu

Hi Peter,
There is a couple buried in Sdeh Yehoshua Cemetery, Haifa, in two neighboring plots. According to the gravestones inscriptions they didn't have children.
Rozmarin Theresa Shoshana, Wolf's daughter , passed away on Dec. 17, 1976. The cemetery database mentions that she was born in 1905 in Austria. The birth year is based on the age declaration (according to the birth date format 01/01/...).
JewishGen site has a Theresia Feldmann born in Vienna in Dec. 13, 1897 to Wolf Wilmos and Bertha Steiner.
Rozmarin Chaim David, born in Poland to Anschel, passed away on August 12, 1965.

Valentin Lupu

Re: Veretena Family - Chotin and Czernowitz #romania #ukraine

Zev Cohen

Thank you Yefim.
Are there links to the relevant Romania/Bessarabia records?
Shana Tova!
Zev Cohen

Re: Subject: New Holocaust Database Sets - Selected Jewish Refugee Passenger Manifests and Lublin Marriages #germany #poland #holocaust #JewishGenUpdates

Sinai (Sonny) PUTTER


Is there a way to browse the new 1939-1942 Lublin marriage entries, instead of searching by name?

Sonny Putter
Bellevue, Washington U.S.A.

Re: Shoshana and Theresia #israel

In the Chevra Kadisha of Haifa site the name of the deceased is Shoshana Teresa Rosmarin
daughter of Wolf Ze'ev born Austria 1905.

Jacob Shayzaf 


Re: Naturalization record #usa #records

David Oseas

You can request naturalization docs from the Bronx County Clerk by mail.  The attached form comes courtesy of the ItalianGen website.

David Oseas

Re: German WWII reparations records online? #germany #holocaust #records

Lewis, Megan

Many states in West Germany had standalone reparations offices.  (It might be all of them did but I don't remember off the top of my head.)  Those are the records you want to start with.

Do you have any family papers about restitution?  That might give you an idea of which office handled their claim.  For German Jews I assume that the office for the state that they were from would have handled the case, but I don't know for sure.  As someone already mentioned the Berlin office covered eastern areas (East Germany and the parts of Germany that were given to Poland.)

If you have done an ITS/Arolsen Archives search for the people in question, and there are records, the central names index card or the T/D (case) file may indicate the relevant office.  For example anything marked BLEA was a case handled by the Bavarian state office.

USHMM has United Restitution Records for Toronto (partial), Los Angeles and Buenos Aires.  If it's possible that the claimant would have gone through one of those offices send me an email and I can check the indices. The rest of the records for Canada are at the Canadian Jewish Archives.

Finally I do not know if the Leo Baeck Institute would have relevant materials but it cannot hurt to check their archives catalog.

Megan Lewis, reference librarian
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

Re: USCIS information #records

Jan Meisels Allen

These are the forms for requesting the index search and then once you have the number the actual search. Doubt if you will receive the index search response in time for lower fee for the the actual search.  All of this is on the USCIS website;

Form G-1041A, Genealogy Records Request is once you have the number and the form to request the actual records.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

Re: Look-ups requested in Rosenstein's The Unbroken Chain, newest edition #poland


I have Vol 3 in front of me.
Page 212 mentions a Aryeh Zeev Wolf who lives in jerusalem and is married to Yehudis, daughter of Rabbi Berel 9Yissochor Dov) Knopfler & Chaitsche Margulies
No further details given
Page 754 speaks about a Zeev Wolf Landau, a great-grandson of the famous Rav Yechezkel Landau, the author of the sefer Noda Biyehuda, whilst page 870 discusses R Zeev Wolf Grunfeld living in Bnei Berak. These two seem to have entered the index by virtue of their first name.
As such it appears Vol 3 is not going to assist you in your search.
I hope the other two volumes will.
Shanna Tova

N. Aronson

Re: German WWII reparations records online? #germany #holocaust #records

Deanna Levinsky <DEANNASMAC@...>

There are a few American lawyers that specialize in representing descendants of WWII people who had their property stolen. Maybe they could provide help?
Deanna M. Levinsky, Long Island, NY

Vinnitsa 1811 & 1834 Census #ukraine


I will have a researcher look through the 1811 & 1834 Censuses for Vinnitsa.

If anyone wants me to check their family in this census, shall please
let me know.

Shmiel Gruber

Re: Sailing up and down the river from Raseiniai to Königberg(Kaliningrad) #russia

Dr. Ruth Leiserowitz

Yes, this was quite a common trade way in this times: Raseiniai via DubysaSeredžius via Neman Tilsit (Russian: Sovetsk)-Weynothen (Russian: Istok) via Gilge, Russian: Matrossovka  until 4,5 km before Gilge (Russian: Matrossovo) via Großer Friedrichsgraben (Russian: Polesski kanal- Labiau (Russian: Polessk) via Deime (Russian: Dejma) - Tapiau (Russian: Gvardejsk) via Pregel (russian: Pregolja) - Königsberg (Russian: Kaliningrad)
Sounds difficult, but was easy shipping, also used for wooden rafts. I think, the trip took three days. The waterways of this route were for the most part on Prussian territory. They were kept in good order by the Prussian state.
On the river Gilge rafts were allowed, which were up to 100 m long and up to 10 m wide.

Ruth Leiserowitz



I match you on DNA, now what #dna

Moishe Miller

Dear Group, 

I am thankful for all the educational opportunities offered by this forum. It has helped me quite a bit. I took the JewishGen DNA course in August. I attended two DNA lectures via Zoom yesterday; one by the JGS of Colorado and one by the JGS of LI. Remote learning is a positive outcome of the quarantine all over the USA. Please do continue to post lectures, session, meetings, etc, that are open to members and non-members of the hosting entity.

Since I have my tests on Ancestry, MyHeritage, 23andMe, FamilyTreeDNA, GedMatch, GENI, etc, and also manage other people's tests, I get DNA inquiries every day. With what I have learned, I wanted to share how I now approach those DNA inquiries. My response now addresses the two general issues I face with DNA inquiries.
  1. DNA does not replace actual genealogical research
  2. A genetic tree is not as robust as a genealogical tree. This is because, beyond second cousins, it becomes possible to be related but not match with DNA (your small 6.5%, 3.25%, etc  might be different "pieces" for each descendant). In other words, beyond g-gp's, you do not necessarily inherit DNA from every ancestor you ever had.
My new method of dealing with "I match you on DNA" inquiries is to determine first, what is needed to figure out that match. Someone that does not know the names, places and dates for all four of their grandparents will likely not be able to determine if/how we are 2nd, 3rd, 4th or even more distant cousins.

Using a real example, with permission from one of the targeted persons, I have just received this inquiry for a test that I manage (I will call the inquirerer Harry):
  • Hi, I have DNA matches to two person's you manage on MyHeritage: Esther Bleier (born Steif). Estimated relationships: 1st cousin twice removed - 4th cousin?; DNA Match quality: 1.3% (92.5‎ cM); Shared DNA: 10 Shared segments; Largest segment: 20.6‎ cM. Also with Frederika [detail redacted to protect her privacy] 
(As an aside, these two people, Esther and Frederika, do potentially share common ancestry; this is why I had them both tested. When my grandmother was a young teenager, she left home and lived by Esther's parents, the Steif family, who married her off. My grandmother had told us she was related to them. I have not yet determined how.)

Harry and I had some basic dialog where I asked where Harry's ancestry was from, and some surnames. Nothing seemed to match Esther's known ancestry.

So I suggested to Harry:
  • Go to
  • For your match with Esther Bleier, put in your total cM matching, which is 92.5.
  • The combined top two results indicate it is 63% likely that you match Esther as some form of 2c or 3c.
  • To match as a 2c, you need to know all of your 8 g-gp's and compare each one to her 8 g-gp's for surname, time-period lived, and location compatibility.
  • To match as a 3c, you need to do the same thing, only with your 16 g-g-gp's.
  • For "Once-Removed" relationships, you would move up or down a generation, to match the predicted relationship (such as 2c1r)
  • I gave Harry the pedigree for Esther Bleier at
  • It does have Esther's 8 g-gp's listed.
  • It does not have enough of her g-g-gp's listed, in case it is a 3c match,
  • Unless Harry is lucky, or either of us does more paper-trail research on both his tree and Esther's tree, we may not figure it out.
  • You can repeat the same process for determining other matches.
  • Since Frederika's match does not triangulate with Esther's, we don't know if the ancestry between the Harry, Esther and Frederika is shared.
Anyone can help to make it simpler to find the genealogical connection of a DNA match, on most platforms. Create a tree of at least 15 people, comprised of you, your parents, GP's and g-GP's (if you know them of course). And, on FamilyTreeDNA, add the detail described in the article at

I hope that by combining DNA Research with Genealogical Research, we can all help to expand what we know of our ancestry and history.

Wishing everyone a Shana Tova,
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
JGFF #3391

September 15: Genealogy Coffee Break #events #announcements #usa

Moriah Amit

Tomorrow at 3:30 pm ET, tune into the Center for Jewish History's Facebook page for the next episode of Genealogy Coffee Break. Looking to move beyond vital and census records in your U.S. research? Learn how to find local history resources from the U.S. communities in which your ancestors lived. To join the live webinar, click "Follow" on the top of the Center's Facebook page and a notification will pop up on your screen when the webinar goes live. Note: If the notification doesn't appear, you can also find the webinar on our Facebook videos page once it goes live. Catch up on the entire series here

Moriah Amit 
Senior Genealogy Librarian, Center for Jewish History
New York, NY

Russian Translation Request #russia #poland #warsaw

Nomi Waksberg

Hoping all readers and families are all safe and healthy.
This document names my 3 gm Ester Bijak Fiszenfeld.
What type of document is it please.
There are a few other names included - please translate and if noted,
please include ages and relationship, occupation of all those mentioned and town if listed.
My apologies for the quality of the's a photo of the original.
Thank you in advance for your help.
It is posted on VIEWMATE:
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate.
Thank you in advance for your assistance and time in reviewing
records which may be challenging to read.
שנה טובה
Nomi Fiszenfeld Waksberg
(including variations in spelling)

Re: USCIS information #records


Hi Robert,

You asked Might I find other papers?  I'm guessing you mean might there be additional records in the C-files for the 1921 or earlier naturalizations, for which you already have the court records?  It is possible, but unknown.  The best way to hedge that bet would be to search a name index to Bureau of Naturalization Correspondence at the National Archives, NARA microfilm publication A3388.  Unfortunately it is only available on microfilm at NARA, which remains closed.  If you found your grandparents' name in there, and it pointed to a C-file number, it would mean additional records were placed in that C-file.  Yes, it is very frustrating.

You say you do want to request one of the C-files.  If you already have the petition from the court records, look on the back or bottom of that petition for the certificate number.  It should say something like "Certificate of Naturalization # _____ issued this day . . .".  You can then use that number to request the C-file directly without having to pay for the index search.

I hope that helps,

Marian Smith

Re: PLUST family #general

Valentin Lupu

Shalom Ida,
Plust is indeed a relatively rare name. Here are my web  search results. Moshe Frust donated in 1942 a huge amount of money (2000 pounds) for buying a nursing home for aged needy people in Petah-Tikvah. He also donated money for a synagogue at the second floor of the building. in 1941 he was elected as a member of Mizrachi Religious Party Council in Petah-Tikvah. It is specified that he was of  Lithuanian origin. The Mechtinger Building, 42 Geula st. Tel Aviv , was declared as an architectural heritage building. The building was erased in 1931 on a plot of land owned by Moshe Plust. Moshe ben Yehuda Leib Plust is buried in Mount of Olives Cemetery, Jerusalem. He passed away on March 1945. There is a person named Prust, living in Jerusalem. If you are interested in contacting him, let me know your private email address and I'll send a phone number.

Valentin Lupu

Re: Matching names #names

Chana Bonn

Do you have tombstones for the relatives whose names you're trying to match?  The tombstones may give you the answers you need, since both Hebrew and English names are often engraved.
Good luck with your search!
Chana Bonn, Philadelphia

Re: Suggestions for Simple Genealogy Software for Mac #general

Sarah L Meyer

Roots Magic also has a Mac version.  (I am a PC person married to a Mac person).  Roots Magic also has a free version that you can start with, and then if you like it you can upgrade to the paid version without losing any data.  I have evaluated their PC Roots Magic Essentials - and can tell you that some things like descendants charts are only in the paid version - but you can certainly start with the free version.  Family Tree Maker also has a Mac version but it is not free.  

Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Translation request--GERMAN or POLISH--Viewmate 86449 #translation


I translated the German text. The hand-written parts I could not really get sharp enough but I hope (and assume) that you may be able to get it better from the original.
Ron Peeters

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