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Re: A Brick Wall

Renee Steinig
 

I followed these steps to search for Bertha:

1) Tried to narrow down likely birth year. (Her marriage record, Max's
naturalization petition, and censuses suggest c. 1900.)

2) Tried to narrow down likely year of arrival. (According to Max's
petition and censuses, it was c. 1914.)

3) Searched further for spellings of her name and found that her
marriage license application said GRUBMAN -- a more likely name than
GRUTMAN.

4) Searched on Steve Morse's Ellis Island
One-Step(https://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html) for someone who
was born within 5 years of 1900 and arrived within 5 years of 1914,
whose first name began with B and last name sounded like GRUBMAN. The
result: Brane GRIWMAN, 16, who arrived in January 1914. She was from
"Kliskewitz, Russia" and her mother was Perl. She was joining brother
Schmuel on Stanton St.

GRIWMAN (pronounced GRIVMAN) comes close to GROVEMAN and Perl is a
good match to the name Pauline, so I'm optimistic.

On Ancestry, this manifest is indexed as GRINMAN.

Kliskewitz could be the town that's now Klishkivtsi, Ukraine
(https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1042180).
Near Khotyn (Khotin), it was in Bessarabia, a region of the Russian
Empire, before WWI, and in Romania between the world wars.

A notation on Brane's manifest suggests that she herself was
naturalized c. 1943, but I couldn't find a corresponding record on
Ancestry.

Janice, do you know Bertha's Hebrew/Yiddish name? Unfortunately, it's
not on her gravestone, which is pictured on FindaGrave
(https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/205470442/bertha-langer) .

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island) NY
genmaven@...

Janice <janice1219@...> wrote:

<<My g-mother Bertha was married in 1917 under the name Grutman. Her
parents are listed as Harry and Pauline Needleman. Her birth was in
Romania/Russia, and I've seen ages from 27 to 16 years at marriage. I
cannot find any confirmation of the family even arriving in the US,
but came with the Americanized name of Groveman according to family
lore. Bertha married Max Langer and lived in the Bronx....>>


New Website Documenting Lives of People in World War ll #Netherlands #WorldWar ll, #holocaust

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

War Lives is a new website to document the lives of people in World War II. The information is shown as a timeline that combines records from different archives and other organizations.

 

Go to: https://www.oorlogslevens.nl/?lang=en

 

For example I typed in the name “Goldberg” and those with last name popped up and I chose “Jacob Goldberg” which had 4 results listing the camps he was in. in addition by clicking on the name gave me his birth date and place and death date and place.

 

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Re: A Brick Wall

Hilary Henkin
 

What resources have you tried already?  Naturalization records?
Censuses?  It sounds like you have her marriage record - yes?  Was she
married in the Bronx - when?

Your ad lacks the details by which we can help better.

Hilary Henkin

P.S. And by the way, a more descriptive Subject line would improves your
chances for successful responses.  Include perhaps the surname, country,
something to narrow down what you're asking about.  Brick walls are
really common in this hobby.

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Help!  My g-mother Bertha was married in 1917 under the name Grutman. 
Her parents are listed as Harry and Pauline Needleman. Her birth was in
Romania/Russia, and I've seen ages from 27 to 16 years at marriage.  I
cannot find any confirmation of the family even arriving in the US, but
came with the Americanized name of Groveman according to family lore.
Bertha married Max Langer and lived in the Bronx.  I am stopped in my
tracks.  Does anyone have suggestions or directions for me?

Researching:
 Langer,Grutman, Weener, Cole (Sokolsky)

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Ancestry Free Access to Irish Records Through March 18 2020

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ancestry is offering free access to its 170 million Irish Records through 18 March 2020 at 11:59PM ET. If you try to access records not included in the Irish collection offer or try to access the Irish records after the offer ends you will be invited to subscribe.

 

To access the records go to: https://www.ancestry.com/cs/stpatricksday  There is also a guide to Finding Your Irish Immigrants available for free download. Either click on “download our guide: under the search button or go to:

https://www.ancestrycdn.com/mars/landing/pdf/us/finding-irish-ancestors.pdf

 

To see the list of records included in the Irish collection go to: https://www.ancestry.com/search/categories/irish_heritage/

 

You will be required to register with your name, password and email address.  No credit card information is requested or required.

 

If you click on 14 day free trial- which is NOT the Free Irish promotion you will be required to give your credit card information.

 

When you fill-in the search field you will be taken to a new window. The matches will appear and click on the one you want to open. When it opens you can click save to your computer in the green box on the upper right corner. There is also an icon with tools where you can print or download.

 

Jews in Ireland

While always a small Jewish community in Ireland it is an established community. In addition, a number of Jews immigrated to Ireland in the late 19th and 20th centuries whose families were from central Europe, due to the pogroms, and especially from Lithuania. Jews also stopped in Ireland along the way to immigrating to North America—and may have lived there for a few years.  You never know what an Irish record may reveal!

 

I have no affiliation with Ancestry and am posting this solely for the reader’s information.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Re: #holocaust #holocaust

Andreas Schwab
 

If somebody died in Kaiserslautern, there should be a death record at the Kaiserslautern city archives. Write to: martin.klemenz@...
Kaiserslautern death records should also be at the Rheinland-Pfalz state archives, write to Dr. Martina Knichel at m.knichel@...


Re: JGS of Georgia meeting - March 22, 2020 - Jewish Soldiers in the Civil War #usa

Ann Hellman
 

In the KK Beth Elohim Coming Street Cemetery in Charleston SC there are 21 Civil War participants, of whom eight died in the Confederate cause. KKBE Cemetery is the oldest surviving Jewish cemetery in the south. 

Researching: MEDNITZKY/ MEDIN/ MEDDIN, TENENBAUM Kolonia Yakovlevo, Grodno, Belarus; JARINKES/ YARINKES, Drahichyn, Belarus; RUBIN, FRANK Radoshkovichi, Belarus;

FEINTUCH, MELGUT/ MELGOOD Warshava, Poland; ZYMANSKI / SIMONS Filipow, Poland; TEWEL Brzostek, Poland; EICHLER / JACOBS Przasnysz, Poland; PIATIGORSKY/ JACOBS, BELOURTOWSKY/ BIRLANT, BLUESTEIN, PATLA, WARSHAVSKY Kiev, Ukraine; LEWKOW LEVKOFF Berdichev, Ukraine; HELLMAN, Jaunjelgava, Latvia 


A Brick Wall

janice1219@...
 

Help!  My g-mother Bertha was married in 1917 under the name Grutman.  Her parents are listed as Harry and Pauline Needleman.  Her birth was in Romania/Russia, and I've seen ages from 27 to 16 years at marriage.  I cannot find any confirmation of the family even arriving in the US, but came with the Americanized name of Groveman according to family lore.
Bertha married Max Langer and lived in the Bronx.  I am stopped in my tracks.  Does anyone have suggestions or directions for me?

Researching:
 Langer,Grutman, Weener, Cole (Sokolsky)


Re: Domestic Service Visas: 1938 . . .

Michael Hoffman
 

Hello Leah,

Make an enquiry with World Jewish Relief, the following is their website address
https://www.worldjewishrelief.org/about-us/your-family-history 
They have the records for 57000 refugees that came to the UK from Germany and Austria
before and after WWII., they may be able to help you.

There is also a record for Berta Heilpern on a passenger list in 1948 for a passage to New York on the website of Findmypast.co.uk


Best regards

Michael Hoffman
Borehamwood
HERTS UK 




Re: Domestic Service Visas: 1938 . . .

Irv Adler
 

Leah,

My mother came to England on a domestic permit in Sept 1938. I have been doing research on this topic and have been trying to to see what one of these permits looks like for more than 5 years now with no success. So, if you find one please let me know.
There has been quite of bit of research done on Austrian women who fled Vienna and came to England as domestics. A leading researcher in this field in Tony Kutschner. The Association of Jewish Refugees in London is a good source of information on the women who came to the UK as domestics. A complete book on the subject has been written by Traude Bollauf. 
Let me know if you would like to discuss this in further detail.

Irv


Re: Divorce

eagle0017
 

I  would suggest a U.S state search.  I searched for a New York City cousin's divorce and found she got her divorce in Alabama, where we had family.  The South has easier divorces.

Marge Hurl
Neotsu,  Oregon


ViewMate translation request - Polish and Yiddish

David Brostoff
 

I have posted images on ViewMate of a marriage registration from the Bialystok State Archive for Moshe HOFFMAN and Taube BROSTOFF, residents of Trostyany (Trzcianne).

There is a both a Polish and Yiddish version:

Polish
<https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM78723>

Yiddish
<https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM78724>

I would be grateful for a translation of both texts.

Please respond via the ViewMate form.

Thank you,

David


Domestic Service Visas: 1938 . . .

Sniderlh
 

First, I would like to thank those who responded to my earlier quest for some sort of confirmation of my father's cousin's wife's death details.  Rosa Lichtenfeld Heilpern, it appears, was an unfortunate member of the 1939 Kladovo Transport group that in 1939, fled Vienna, Austria via the Danube, for Palestine, but were detained (for many reasons) in Yugoslavia, & ultimately killed by the Nazis.  I had information on where & generally when, but I didn't have the details about the how, leading up to her death, the missing details to better "prove" the theories I had after researching. The collective knowledge of this group is amazing, and I am most grateful to those who helped me out.  As mentioned before, Rosa's husband, Hans Heilpern, made if safely to Palestine in 1938, on board the illegal transport boat, Chepo.

And now for another brick wall with this family, Berta Heilpern, sister to Hans.  I found her listed as "paid domestic help" on the 1939 England & Wales Register.  In further research I read about a reference to "Domestic Service Visas," which were issued to Jewish refugees from both Germany & Austria. I was not aware of these.  I would have to think Berta somehow obtained one of these visas, but can find nothing of such a list, anywhere.  I would like to try and find out the following: 1) when she left Vienna for London ( I heard 1938, after May, when her last grandparent, whom she had been caring for, died.)  2) how she got to London & what route  and now, 3) to see this Domestic Service Visa and any details it might provide me.  If anyone has any knowledge of the visas, and where/how I might be able to search them, I would greatly appreciate it.  Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,

Leah Heilpern Snider
Silverdale, WA USA

Families:  HEILPERN --- Ukraine & Austria
KORPUS --- Poland, Ukraine, Austria
MANDELKIERN --- Lublin & Chelm, Poland
STROH & PINELES --- Ukraine
GOLDENTHAL --- Ukraine, Austria, Germany


Re: question on burial record

molly25905@...
 

Max! You are amazing. I've looked for clues to this place or occupation and you solved it in minutes. From looking at maps of Belarus I can see how close Pader is to Slutsk and it makes so much sense. I'm going to go with this theory. Thank you so much! 

Molly Ford  
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA

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To: main@...: Thu, Mar 5, 2020 12:49 am
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] question on burial record

Hi Molly,

My guess is that the name Paderier or Paderiver comes from the village Pader near Slutzk in Belarus. The ending -er is yiddish. The slavic ending -ski gave the names Paderski and Paderevski. Look A. Beider, A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames from the Russian Empire, Avotaynu, 2008. The passenger manifest for the Mishelov family in 1919 shows that they came from Uzda, which is between Slutzk and Minsk. It fits with an earlier origin from Pader. 

Hope this helps,

Max Polonovski
CGJ, Paris


Re: Argentina naturalization records? STAHL

Pieter Hoekstra
 

Many thanks Alberto Guido Chester for your assistance. We may not have located a grave (yet), however I have learned alot about European immigration in Argentina.
Cheers
Pieter


Re: JGS of Georgia meeting - March 22, 2020 - Jewish Soldiers in the Civil War #usa

Pieter Hoekstra
 

I wonder if they identified with one side or another or spread equally between the sides?


Translation of Hebrew or Yiddish photo inscription

Roy Ogus
 

This ViewMate image shows the back of a postcard of a man in a military uniform. I'm not sure if the text is in Yiddish or Hebrew.  I would appreciate a translation.

The Viewmate image can be found at:

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=78712 

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application (or to me personally by e-mail).

Thanks for your input!


Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California
r_ogus@...


#holocaust #holocaust

Linda Kelley
 

Does anyone know if there are travel records of the 400 surviving forced labor workers from the Pfaff sewing machine factory in Kaiserslautern, Germany? I contacted the Jewish Museum, Yad Vashem and the American Jewish Committee, but they had nothing.
Vania Caretti in Italy has proof her relatives worked at the factory, but is seeking further records:
Maria Leszko, wife of Nicolas Lischt, possibly of Kiev or Drohobych, may have died at Kaiserslautern.
Their daughter, Olga Lischt, b. 1924, married Eugenio Francini, an Italian soldier who worked at the factory, and both went to live in Italy. [Vania has taken a DNA test at My Heritage and her kit is in GEDmatch. She has no close matches in GEDmatch as yet.] Thank you very much! Linda Wolfe Kelley, Portland, OR, USA


Death Certificate for Detroit for Julius Kozloff

barbara Schoenburg
 

Can anyone help? I need a copy of the death certificate for Julius Kozloff (my Grandfather) who died 12/4/1949. Cannot get it as there is a 75 year wait. Thank you.


Re: Vital Records in Detroit, Michigan

Linda Kelley
 

Handwriting is hard to read. Cause if death was cirrhosis of the liver, along with myocardial disease.
Thanks to Michigan for posting death certificates online!
Linda Wolfe Kelley
Portland, OR, USA


Re: Divorce

Sarah L Meyer
 

You mentioned Reno, but not Las Vegas.  Have you checked Clark county Nevada?  What about Mexico?

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ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
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