Female Maiden Name on Headstone #belarus #general #russia #names #translation

Steven M. Greenberg

Greetings!  I have encountered a headstone of one ESTHER URETSKY whom I suspect is the sister of my great-grandmother ROSE URETSKY.  But, I may very well be mistaken because I noted her maiden name URETSKY remains on the headstone.

This raises the question for me, in Soviet times (she died in 1973 in Kalinkovichi, Belarus), was it customary to engrave the maiden name of the decedent, or the married surname?  I see no reference to a spouse on this headstone. 

But clearly she had a son Aizik who appeared to perish in WWII:

Re: Florence MARMOR burial records of the New York Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and Acacia cemeteries #usa

David Lewin

Please send me the details so that I can update the existing file

David Lewin

At 07:16 05/07/2020, Paul Silverstone wrote:
I had no trouble with the database, but my relatives buried in Acacia
are missing.
Paul Silverstone
West Vancouver, BC

Re: Does anyone know any survivors from Krinki/krinik #poland


I just started reading about the "Former Residents of Krinki in Israel" and will comment later.

Re: Chicago repeat marriage in mid 20th C. #general #usa

Maybe they had a religious marriage in 1938 and did not have a civil marriage until 1950.   This was common in Eastern Europe, although your example is in the US. 
Another possibility is that they thought they were common law married.  However, in spite of the general idea that people were common law married after living together for a period of time, there are
specific requirements for a common law marriage.  Illinois abolished common law marriage in 1905.  Perhaps this couple thought that they were common law married and, when they discovered that
they were not, they decided to legalize the relationship.  For example, you cannot collect social security on a partner's account  if you are not legally married.  

There are a few states that still have legal common law marriage.  Pennsylvania abolished common law marriage in 2005, but any common law marriage occurring before that time is still recognized. 
Pennsylvania has replaced common law marriage, probably because of Quaker tradition which has no religious leaders, with a marriage certificate that does not require someone to officiate. 

Avivah Pinski, Attorney at Law
near Philadelphia

Chicago repeat marriage in mid 20th C.
#general #usa
From: Hanna Grossman
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 20:48:52 EDT

Can someone make a suggestion as to why my 4th cousin once removed, Max KIRCHHEIMER (KIRK) who said in his citizenship papers that he married Alice FREUDENTHAL in Chicago on 12 Nov 1938, whose 1940 census shows him living as married with Alice, her parents, siblings and their baby, should show up in a Cook County marriage index as marrying her on 27 Oct 1950?

What reason might there be for marrying the same person again? There is no indication that they were divorced in between.

Hanna Grossman, Arlington, VA



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Re: Searching for connections from Odessa named Eugenia and Polia Goldenberg. #ukraine


My Odessa relatives had the family name Schleck (with multiple variations of spellings). Had that last name been in your family history?
Barbara Cohen

Re: A question about age #general

Diane Jacobs

It could be possible that the child was 9 months old and 9 years old. Makes more sense.
Diane Jacobs 

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From: Ellen Gottfried <ellen@...>
Date: 7/4/20 2:49 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [] A question about age #general

Annie married Solomon NADLER in London in 1898. Her age was given as
22, his as 23. A few months later they traveled to New York with a 9
year old girl, Mollie, who was listed as their daughter. The 1900 US
census lists Mollie as their daughter. Her marriage record gives her
parents as Annie and Solomon. Her grave has Malka bat Solomon. How
can I reconcile this information?
Thank you for your help. Ellen GOTTFRIED, Plainview, New York
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey

Re: ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation




In Russian:


(не ясно)


Метной Промышленности




Настоящее выдано Ронштейну Виктору Хаймовичу в том, что он, с 1943 года, работал в системе Ошского Областного Управления Местной Промышленности а именно с 1-го мая 1943 года по 1-го июня 1944 года в качестве технического бухгалтера Ошского Горпромкомбината, с 1-го июня 1944 года по 1 января 1945 года Главным Бухгалтером Ошского Горпромкомбината по 1-е Января 1945 года и с 1-го января 1945 года по 1-е апреля 1946 года Старшим Бухгалтером Ошского Быткомбината, и за время своей работы Ронштейн знание дела оправдал и к порученной ему работе относителся добросовестно и аккуратно.


Директор Комбината    подпись

Начальник Областного

Управления местной

промышленности          подпись


Translate into English:


(it is not clear)


Mete Industry




The present was issued to Ronshtein Viktor Khaimovich in the fact that, from 1943, he worked in the system of the Osh Regional Office of Local Industry, namely from May 1, 1943 to June 1, 1944 as a technical accountant in Osh City Industrial Complex, from the 1st From June 1944 to January 1, 1945, the Chief Accountant of the Osh City Industrial Complex on January 1, 1945 and from January 1, 1945 to April 1, 1946, the Senior Accountant of the Osh City Complex, and during his work, Ronshtein justified his knowledge of the work entrusted to him was conscientious and accurate.


Director of the factory      signature

Head of Regional

Local management

industry                            signature





In Russian:


Состоялось в городе Коло 18-го (31-го) августа 1909 года, в 10 часов утра явились лично Мордка Гринфельд, торговец 30-и лет от роду, постоянный житель города Леичицы, временно проживающий в городе Коло, в присудствии свидетелей Ицека Рубина, религиозного служителя, 47-и лет и Нахмана Орбера, торговца, 52-х лет проживающих в городе Коло и предъявили нам младенца мужского пола, объявляя, что он родился в городе Коло двенаддцатого (двадцать пятого) августа текущего года в 8 часов утра, от законной жены его Ривки, урожденной Липшиц, 39-и лет.  Младенцу сему при обрезании дано имя “Хаим".  Акт сей объябляю ему и свидетелям, прочитан и затем нами присутствующими подписан

Мордка Гринфельд, Нахман Орбер,

Ицек Рубин  

Содержащий акты гражданского состояния     Подпись


Translate into English:


Held in the city of Kolo on August 18 (31), 1909, at 10 a.m., Mordka Greenfeld, a 30-year-old merchant, a permanent resident of Leicice, temporarily residing in the city of Kolo, personally arrived, in the presence of witnesses Itzek Rubin, a religious minister, 47 years old, and Nachman Orber, a merchant, 52 years old, living in the city of Kolo and presented us with a male baby, announcing that he was born in the city of Kolo on the twelfth (twenty-fifth) August of this year at 8 a.m. the legal wife of his Rivka, nee Lipschitz, 39 years old. When circumcised, the baby is given the name “Chaim.” I declare this act to him and the witnesses, read it and then signed by us present

Mordka Greenfeld, Nachman Orber,

Itsek Rubin

Civil Status Signature

Re: A question about tattoos and Auschwitz #general #holocaust

Hank Lobbenberg

Some Auschwitz prisoners were transported to Bergen Belsen. The only camp that tattooed prisoners was Auschwitz.

Re: Professional researcher in France #france #general

wenglenski virginie

Hi Yariv Timna,

I recommend Sophie Boudarel. She is very active. You can contact her via her website :
If she cannot help you, it is certain that she will be able to refer you to someone else.
I recommend her to you.

Good research.

Re: Yiddish or Hebrew name for IDA #belarus #names

Bess Taylor

The dissertation linked below may be of interest to you. It includes several tables that show which Yiddish names Jewish immigrants’ American names typically correspond to. 

From Rochel to Rose and Mendel to Max: First Name Americanization Patterns Among Twentieth-Century Immigrants to the United States:

Best wishes,

Re: A question about tattoos and Auschwitz #general #holocaust

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay

Hello Simon,

Yes, Auschwitz was the only camp -- or to be more accurate, camp complex, because it was huge -- that tattooed prisoners with numbers. There was another, much smaller camp (Mielec) that tattooed prisoners with the letters KL, but that's clearly not what we're discussing here. Auschwitz prisoners were often sent on to other camps, where they would receive new numbers, in the form of patches on their uniforms, but obviously the tattooed Auschwitz number would still remain, and this may have led to confusion later about whether the number was from Auschwitz or another camp. But it was Auschwitz only.

There are several reasons why you may not have been able to find their names in the Arolsen database. Firstly, try some spelling variations on the surnames, first names only, place names only, etc., as the Arolsen system is not as good as some others in "sounds-like" searches. Secondly, know that not everything Arolsen has is online, so if you can't find what you want in the website, fill out their online inquiry form and see if they can find something in their offline records. Thirdly, know that the Germans destroyed a large portion of the Auschwitz documents when they evacuated the camp, so it is possible those records may not have survived. Fourthly, try searching the Auschwitz museum website as they have some prisoner records online, and, if you can't find anything, try writing to them too as they also have material that is not online: 
Finally, try searching both the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum and Memorial websites, as each has extensive records online, some of which overlap, but some of which only one or the other has.

Best of luck,
Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,
Raanana, Israel.
Professional writer, editor, proofreader.
Professional translator (Hebrew & Yiddish to English).
Certified guide, Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum and Memorial.
Long-time family history researcher.

Re: A question about age #general


I had a similar confusion with age; turns out the child was  listed on ship manifest as 11/12  but later listed as being 11 yrs.  she was. Actually 11 months old. 

Re: Florence MARMOR burial records of the New York Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and Acacia cemeteries #usa

Paul Silverstone

I had no trouble with the database, but my relatives buried in Acacia
are missing.
Paul Silverstone
West Vancouver, BC

Re: Need help to locate family in Mukachevo-Munkacs #ukraine


They were Yisroel 
 Originally from nagymuzsaly

Re: Chasing a Mystery in Philly, and Looking for Puzzle Pieces: Abraham Louis Snader #usa

EdrieAnne Broughton

About 10-15 years ago many states started restricting who can ask for official documents.  They were worried about stealing identities, though I don't know who would have stolen Great Aunt Fannie's identity since she was born in 1887.  When I talked to the clerk in Springfield she coached me into saying that Fannie was my great grandmother.  The lady was a sweetheart.
EdrieAnne Broughton
Vacaville, California

Re: Chicago repeat marriage in mid 20th C. #general #usa

Sherri Bobish

Hi Hanna,

Did you ever find a record of the 12 Nov 1938 marriage in Chicago?

If not, perhaps they married in 1938 with a religious ceremony, but not a civil license?

If that is the case, maybe in 1950 there was a reason they needed to show a civil marriage record.


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Re: Jewish vital records of Szrensk (Mlawa area), Poland #poland

Stan Zeidenberg

Following the post regarding additional years of Szrensk record indexed by JRI-Poland,

J.Glass asked: "Is there a time frame for their posting online?"

 The additional years of Szrensk indices are part of the Phase 3 Full Extraction project

for the 1868 to 1915 Russian records.  For the status of this project, please go to the

JRI-Poland "Your Town" page for Szrensk:

For full details of the JRI-Poland mission to fully extract records for which there are

currently only basic indices, please see this Avotaynu article:


Stan Zeidenberg

Szrensk Town Leader

Mlawa Area Coodinator


Polish translation requested for MUNAT/KREPS marriage from Warszawa 1886 #translation #warsaw #poland

Andy Monat

I would greatly appreciate a translation of Akta 16 of, which is indexed in JRI-Poland's "Warsaw PSA Births 1864-1905 Marriages 1864-1908 Deaths 1868-70,72-75,77-89,91-1905" as the marriage of Moszek KREPS and Chana Szajndla MUNAT. I am interested in any genealogically relevant information. The bride may be a sister of one of my ancestor Shmuel Moshe MONAT, and also a sister of Josef Hersz MONAT whose birth on 23-Dec-1847 to Izrael and Ryfka Matla is indexed by JRI-Poland as well (in "Warsaw Births 1826-44,46-52,54-66 Marriages 1826-44,46,47,49,51,52,54-57,59-65 Deaths 1826,28-30,32-49, 51-66 Divorces 1826,27").

(It looks like the bride's parent's names are given as something like Izrael Mana[?]a and Ryfki Matli, though the index only lists a single given name for each of them, Izrail and Rifka.)

Please respond privately unless your message is of general interest.           Best regards, 

Andy Monat, Massachusetts, USA

Netherlands National Archives Launches Beta Version of New Catalog to Search and View Records #general #announcements

Jan Meisels Allen



The Dutch National Archives have launched the beta version of its new catalog to search and view their records.


To access it, log into your account or create one at:

In the account settings check the option to use the new presentation for archives, called “ use the new chain access”. If you are having difficult seeing your account settings then click “My account” in the top navigation bar.

Go to:


After you have activated the new presentation in your account then go to the research sections:   This is in Dutch and you will require a translation aide such as


The Archives is not yet finished with the new presentation.

  • The new viewer makes it easier to browse between different scans in the same register. You can zoom in or out and see the whole volume, swipe to go to the next page on devices with touch screens, and quickly navigate between the pages. The viewer is meant to more closely resemble the browsing experience in the physical books.
  • The search results can now be filtered for different aspects, including whether digital files are available.
  • The finding aids now have the hierarchy displayed on the left, to more easily understand the context of the descriptions you’re viewing and to easily navigate within the finding aids.


Thank you to Yvette Hoitink and her Dutch Genealogy Blog for the information.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


need help searching discussion group old messages #general

N. Summers

I am trying to find discussions about which genealogy websites are best for jewish genealogy. Having trouble wording an accurate search. Can anyone help me with this?
many thanks

Nancy Summers, Maryland,  summ1@...

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