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Help with copyright issues (German Press) #germany

Judith Berlowitz
 

Dear Genners,
I'm about to have a book published - a fictional diary of my relative, Clara Philipsborn.  One device of her diary is the inclusion of "clippings" from newspapers. I would like some assistance in contacting ZEFYS for copyright information on the Berliner Tageblatt (2 articles) and Die Rote Fahne (1 article).  Will appreciate and acknowledge contacts.

Judith Berlowitz
San Francisco


Re: yiddish words #yiddish

Chayim Fried
 

Halts Kamer, means in Yiddish wood chamber, or a room in where you keep wood, the saying is an old one in Yiddish, and not in German, the rest of the words would have been phrased different in German, plus the whole sentence wouldn’t make sense if it meant a kneck


Re: Given name Ksyel

Chayim Fried
 

This translation is not correct, 
The meaning of the word אבי correctly means father of, and that’s why it was translated that way, but here it is part of the name, אבי גדור or אבי זנוח it is simply the name,

 


Re: Inquiry re: Researching family in Saint Petersburg, Russia #general

Joel Ratner
 

Tracy,

There is a record of this surname in the Russian archives. Please contact me via e-mail and we can discuss.

Joel Ratner


Re: Inquiry re: Researching family in Saint Petersburg, Russia #general

Diane Jacobs
 

From what i have discovered, Jews were not allowed to live in these cities in the 19th century. If the did it wss because they worked for a wealthy or politically or military family.

Diane Jacobs 



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-------- Original message --------
From: tsfishphotography@...
Date: 3/29/20 11:04 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Inquiry re: Researching family in Saint Petersburg, Russia #general

Greetings,
I had just seen a thread regarding https://spbarchives.ru/ and now I am wondering if there are any other places available for gathering insight/records/research to jewish ancestry in Saint Petersburg, Russia. I had never seen any resources or SIG groups for this on JewishGen and would love to be able to learn more on how to research this region.

My fathers paternal family was from Saint Petersburg but I do not know for how many generations. For example, I had discovered two months ago that my Skovronsky family was not originally from S.P., but originally from Poland. The spelling was originally Skowronski and I am not sure why my branch in particular ended up in Saint Petersburg for two generations until immigrating then to the U.S.

If anybody has advice about this, I can also be emailed directly. I have included my email and surnames I am researching in Saint Petersburg below.

Thank you,
Tracy Fish
tsfishphotography@...
Researching surnames in Saint Petersburg: FISCH, SKOVRONSKY, PAKORNOV
--
Diane Jacobs


Re: Fogel family in Rivne or Rowno is this the same place #ukraine

igersammy@...
 

Rowno, a Memorial to the
Jewish Community of Rowno, Volyn
(Rivne, Ukraine)

50°37' / 26°15'

Translation of
Rowne; sefer zikaron

Edited by: A. Avitachi, Former Residents of Rowno in Israel

Published in Tel Aviv, Israel 1956 (H, 591 pages).

 


Head of Ukraine Sig #ukraine

Rachelle Litt
 

I am looking for location of any Ostrog Revision lists. Do they exist??
--
Rachelle Litt
Palm Beach Gardens, Florida


Re: Would a boy and a girl in the same family ever both be given essentially the same names? #ukraine #names

fredelfruhman
 

We are being told that some humor would not go amiss during these trying times.

This discussion (plus the recent topic of naming children after living relatives) reminds me of this tale:

A man runs to his rebbe, distraught, because he and his wife are having a bitter argument about which grandfather's name their new baby should receive.

The rebbe asks the man to bring his wife.  He then asks the man, "What was your father's name?"   "It was Moshe Yitzchok."

He turns to the wife, "And what was your father's name?"  "It was Moshe Yitzchok".

The rebbe, astounded, asks, "Then what is the problem?"

To which the wife replies, "My father was a rabbi, and his was a horse thief".

:) 
--
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA


Re: Would a boy and a girl in the same family ever both be given essentially the same names? #ukraine #names

fredelfruhman
 

A better male "equivalent" for Nechama would be Nachum.

Another reason for similar sibling names:   There was an ancestor named Chayim.  Descendants wanted to name their child after him, but the child was a girl, and they had no way of knowing if they would have another chance, so they named the girl Chayah.    Then, several years later, they had a boy,  Given this opportunity to "do it right", they called him Chayim.
--
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA


Re: Re: seeking FUERLICHT #austria-czech #hungary #usa

David Lewin
 

At 09:47 29/03/2020, you wrote:
In the late 1800s, Herman FEUERLICHT emigrated to the USA with his family and settled in Manhattan, NYC.
As a point of reference, per the 1869 Hungarian / Slovak census, Herman & family were residing in Lapispatak, now Ploské, Saros County.

I am trying to locate a descendant of this family to see if there is a family relationship to Hanna FEUERLICHT / FEIERLIKT.

I am writing to the list in the hope that Ira FEUERLICHT, son of Herbert & Roberta (STRAUS) FEUERLICHT is a member of this community AND will respond.
He reportedly resides in Manhattan and is the great-grandson of Herman.

Alex

MAGOCSI (Gyula-Jovancza, Gyulaj, Tolna)
Grosz (Nyirbator)
Greif (Prešov District, Austria Hungary,Slovakia)
_._,_._,_



One mention of the surname in the bowels of my computer:

From: neilrosenstein@...
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 22:25:29 -0400
Subject: Marton family in Toronto
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@...>

Trying to make contact with the family of Toronto David Martosh (Leo
Baeck School teacher in Toronto, his brother Toronto Solicitor Michael
Martosh and their sister Dr Anita Martosh (family practice), children
of Endre (Andrew) Martosh, son of Bertalan Eisenberger, son of Szerena
(Szali), born in Olaszliszka in 1867 and died in Oradea in 1947,
married Salomon Eisenberger, son of  Leonora (Leni/Leah), born in Mad
in 1847 and died in Nagykereki in 1889, married Berko (Bernat/Baruch)
Fajerlicht (Feuerlicht), born in 1840, lived in Olaszliszka, daughter
of Joshua Asher Zelig (Zsigmond/Sigmund) Planer (who descended from
the Horowitz family).
Neil Rosenstein

Best of luck

David Lewin

Search & Unite attempt to help locate people who, despite the passage of so many years since World War II, may still exist "out there".
We also assist in the process of re-possession of property in the Czech Republic and Israel.
See our Web pages at https://remember.org/unite/ and at https://searchandunite.org/


THANK YOU for ViewMate translation request - #ukraine

Daniel Horowitz
 

I would like to publicly thank to Valentin Lupu, Claudia Greif, Noemi Zaharia, Rafi Manory and Monica Talmor for their help translating the documents for me.

Best regards
Daniel Horowitz
Daniel@...


Inquiry re: Researching family in Saint Petersburg, Russia #general

Tracy Fish
 

Greetings,
I had just seen a thread regarding https://spbarchives.ru/ and now I am wondering if there are any other places available for gathering insight/records/research to jewish ancestry in Saint Petersburg, Russia. I had never seen any resources or SIG groups for this on JewishGen and would love to be able to learn more on how to research this region.

My fathers paternal family was from Saint Petersburg but I do not know for how many generations. For example, I had discovered two months ago that my Skovronsky family was not originally from S.P., but originally from Poland. The spelling was originally Skowronski and I am not sure why my branch in particular ended up in Saint Petersburg for two generations until immigrating then to the U.S.

If anybody has advice about this, I can also be emailed directly. I have included my email and surnames I am researching in Saint Petersburg below.

Thank you,
Tracy Fish
tsfishphotography@...
Researching surnames in Saint Petersburg: FISCH, SKOVRONSKY, PAKORNOV


Re: Fogel family in Rivne or Rowno is this the same place #ukraine

Sheila Toffell
 

Actually there are two. The larger, and better known one in the Volyhinya region, and a small town about 29miles SSW of what a lot of us know as Yelisavetograd, more recently Kirovograd, and now an unpronounceable name  like Kropnovitski (just search for Kirovograd!!) My maternal GMs family lived in the smaller town at some point, but I have yet to find records, bc I don't know which administrative region it comes under. It is pronounced Rivnoye. 


Sheila Toffell
Glen Rock NJ


Re: City of Rotterdam Archives Posts Passenger Lists of Holland America Line 1900-1920 #Netherlands #Passenger Lists

Gregory Engels
 

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 01:47 PM, Harry Auerbach wrote:
There does not appear to be a field for the name of the vessel.
You need to go back some frames to find the heading of the section - that will tell you the name of the vessel, departing port and the date. Basically the list of passengers you are looking at is traveling on the same ship. And you only see the person who have made the booking - listing the number of tickets of full, half price and free tickets followed by the route that was booked (e.g. Rotterdam to New York)
The list seems to be structured by the class of staterooms that - first class (Erste Klasse), followed by the second (Tweede Klasse) , third (Derde Klasse).  

Gregory Engels


Re: yiddish words #yiddish

Deborah Blankenberg
 

Several people have brought to my attention an error in Google's translation. Feyvish is a masculine name and does not mean fish. 
--
Deborah Blankenberg (JewishGen ID #613395)
Lodi, CA
dtblankenberg@... 
Researching BLOCH/BLOCK (Germany to New York, Colombia and Missouri), BLINDER (Kishinev to New York via Poland? and Paris), KUSHER/KUSZER (Lodz vicinity to New York via Paris), GOLDSCHMIDT (Germany)


Re: What became of the Suwalki-Lomza group run by Marilyn? #lithuania

Jill Whitehead
 

I think it is true that Marlene (not Marilyn) Silverman obtained data from some sources that could not be obtained elsewhere (e.g. from Galina Baranova of the Lithuanian archives), though I think subsequently most information did appear on JRI Poland and Litvak SIG.  A lot of the usefulness of the journal Landsmen was from the articles on the Jewish history and geogaphy of the Suwalki  Lomza area, and of the family histories of members of the SIG, which was very international in scope.

These sorts of articles can now be found in other journals e.g. Shemot the journal of the Jewish Genealogical Society of GB. The current Chair of the JGSGB has ancestors from the Suwalki Lomza area. However this is no substitute for a dedicated group, but it needed a lot of resources to organise, especially as it was paper rather than online based. 

As this area was, and still is, a border area of NE Poland wedged between Kaliningrad (Koningsberg, East Prussia), Belarus and Lithuania, it had a paricular interest for many of us. Our ancestors were culturally Litvak (due to having been part of Lithuania in the middle ages) despite being situated in Poland (under Tsarist control) for most of the 19th and early 20th century. 

Jill Whitehead nee Servian (Serwianski), Surrey, UK
Former UK rep on Landsmen editorial board


Re: Trying to break a brick wall to find living relatives in the US... #general #usa #belarus

Diane Jacobs
 

Also , did you know that some Belarus records could in in JRI-Poland and All Lithuania Database on jewishgen.org

Diane 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Gregory Engels <Gregory.Engels@...>
Date: 3/29/20 6:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Trying to break a brick wall to find living relatives in the US... #general #usa #belarus

This might be the other way around as for the most other brick walls - I do know the historic ancestors here, but I have trouble to connect the dots to the present day.

My Great-Grandmother was a part of big jewish family of 14 siblings. They lived in Minsk, Belarus, Her 10 sisters and the youngest brother have all emigrated to the US and my GGF Basia stayed in Russia with two brothers. (actually my GGM was already "sitting on packed suitcases" when my GGF has left her, so she stayed with five kids in poverty and could not afford the travel). In the Soviet time, nobody in the family have talked about those american relatives, as this could get one in jail or even killed. So it was a big surprise as I interviewed the brother of my grandfather and he came up with this information - but he could not remember any names, even the one of his uncles that actually came to visit in the sixties. That was 12 years ago, and out of those 11 siblings I was able to find four and have met with descendants from two of them and had a little conversation with another one. But the fourth one I am stuck for over two years now.

So here it goes:

My GGGF: Peisakh Gordin b 1851, d 1942 Slaveni, Belarus.

his wife: Frieda Itkin. (he later in life had a second wife Galina)

His Children I know of:

  • Stayed in Russia:

    • Basia Gordin 1878-1942 - married Engelsgelb - my Great-Grandmother, five kids.

    • Isaac Gordin b1870 - d unknown, lived in Minsk, four kids.

    • Aaron Gorind b? - d.~1974, lived in Minsk, two kids.

  • Emmigrated to the US:

    • Isidore (Israel, Izzy) Gordon - b 15 Jul 1895, d 21 Mar 1991 in West Palm Beach, 2 Kids, I have met his grandchild.

    • Fannie (Feiga) Balberor b 15 May 1887, d 10 Mar 1950 Detroit, three kids, I have met her grandkids.

    • Mollie (Malke) Sirota b Apr 1889, d 06 Jan 1953 in LA, three kids, I have some contact on Facebook with her granddaughter.

    • six further sisters I do have nothing on. The birth register for Slaveni https://goo.gl/maps/gFDDFsU6qysgUQ4E8 has apparently not survived WWII.

so the last sister I know about and try to find out her descendants:

  • Rose (Rane, Rone, Rannie) Gordin born 1885 in Sloveni, Senno Uezd, Mogilew Gubernia, Russia died Sep 20 1969 - buried in Montefiore Cemetery, Queens, NY https://imgur.com/welEUxk

    • she married sometime in 1906 one Jacob Etkin b25 Jan 1887 in Minsk, Belarus, d 15 May 1953 in New York

    • Jacob arrived in the US 24 Jun 1906 under the name Yankel Itkin, he stated that he would be joining his Father (according to jacobs gavestone his name would be Abraham) with c/o of a Max Mindlin, Red Bank, NY. Because he had no money, he was detained, and the record list Max Mindlin as his uncle. Manifest https://imgur.com/19cRwfB Detained list https://imgur.com/PtSFPbd

    • Rose arrived 24 Jun 1907, exactly one year after Jacob, passenger name Rone Itkin (row 18) https://imgur.com/jaqELTL - she too was detained and picked up by her husband (row 8) https://imgur.com/YmW8y9z - his address being 165 East Broadway, NY

    • 19 Jan 1909 their daughter Annie (or Anna) Atkin was born https://imgur.com/2RAQfg5 - address 653 Sackman St, NY

    • 1910 Census Jake, Rosie and Annie Etkin - 401 Powell St, Brooklyn, NY https://imgur.com/YOQ0hGT

    • 18 Jan 1912 their daughter Florence Etkin is born in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. https://imgur.com/qql2ucT - Florence died 29 Dec 1975

    • 1915 NY State Census Jacob, Jennie (!), Annie and Flora - they are back in NY: 226 Livonia Ave. https://imgur.com/jwK1Kht

    • Nov 1917 their daughter Sylvia is born in New York

    • Nov 1919 their daughter Lillian is born in New York

    • 1920 Census: Etkin, Jacob, Rose, Anna, Florence and Lillian - Address 1514 St Marks Ave, Brooklyn. https://imgur.com/iyZZB9J

    • 1925 NY State Census surname Atkin, same address 1514 St Marks Ave https://imgur.com/GpH7M9R

    • 1930 Census: https://imgur.com/HTYKy4I and https://imgur.com/YM83YQ3 456 Herzl Street, Brooklyn

    • 1940 Census: They still all live together - address 408 E95th St (that's just a couple of hoses away from Rose's brother Isadore) https://imgur.com/0qtvzTB

    • Anna have married sometime Hyman Lastman https://imgur.com/O8kpe3Q

Now, the headstone of Jacob and Rose says that they had grandchildren. I had wrote an email to Montefiore cemetery once using their contact form in june 2019 and once using the email of their director jan 2020, asking them if they would have a next of kin information or a obituary on file, but never got an answer. (I had some success in writing to the cemeteries before - ifact the first hint of Rose was from the cemetery file from Fanny Balberor (died 1950) that listed in the next of kin list: "Str Mrs Jacob ATKIN NYC", and it took me some time to find everything linked above in this message). 

Any ideas where to dig now?

best regards to all you who are in quarantine, as we are here in Germany. 
Gregory Engels


--
Diane Jacobs


Re: Trying to break a brick wall to find living relatives in the US... #general #usa #belarus

Diane Jacobs
 

Gregory, 

Based on my past experiences with cemeteries. You need to call them ask if they have name and address for next of kin.
If they do, then ask if they will forward a letter from you.  They will only tell you what state (assuming it is the US).

If someone does not want to be helpful, call them back the next day when someone new is there.

In my experience, Jewish cemeteries are usually helpful. If you don't get what you want the first time, try again


Diane Jacobs 
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Gregory Engels <Gregory.Engels@...>
Date: 3/29/20 6:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Trying to break a brick wall to find living relatives in the US... #general #usa #belarus

This might be the other way around as for the most other brick walls - I do know the historic ancestors here, but I have trouble to connect the dots to the present day.

My Great-Grandmother was a part of big jewish family of 14 siblings. They lived in Minsk, Belarus, Her 10 sisters and the youngest brother have all emigrated to the US and my GGF Basia stayed in Russia with two brothers. (actually my GGM was already "sitting on packed suitcases" when my GGF has left her, so she stayed with five kids in poverty and could not afford the travel). In the Soviet time, nobody in the family have talked about those american relatives, as this could get one in jail or even killed. So it was a big surprise as I interviewed the brother of my grandfather and he came up with this information - but he could not remember any names, even the one of his uncles that actually came to visit in the sixties. That was 12 years ago, and out of those 11 siblings I was able to find four and have met with descendants from two of them and had a little conversation with another one. But the fourth one I am stuck for over two years now.

So here it goes:

My GGGF: Peisakh Gordin b 1851, d 1942 Slaveni, Belarus.

his wife: Frieda Itkin. (he later in life had a second wife Galina)

His Children I know of:

  • Stayed in Russia:

    • Basia Gordin 1878-1942 - married Engelsgelb - my Great-Grandmother, five kids.

    • Isaac Gordin b1870 - d unknown, lived in Minsk, four kids.

    • Aaron Gorind b? - d.~1974, lived in Minsk, two kids.

  • Emmigrated to the US:

    • Isidore (Israel, Izzy) Gordon - b 15 Jul 1895, d 21 Mar 1991 in West Palm Beach, 2 Kids, I have met his grandchild.

    • Fannie (Feiga) Balberor b 15 May 1887, d 10 Mar 1950 Detroit, three kids, I have met her grandkids.

    • Mollie (Malke) Sirota b Apr 1889, d 06 Jan 1953 in LA, three kids, I have some contact on Facebook with her granddaughter.

    • six further sisters I do have nothing on. The birth register for Slaveni https://goo.gl/maps/gFDDFsU6qysgUQ4E8 has apparently not survived WWII.

so the last sister I know about and try to find out her descendants:

  • Rose (Rane, Rone, Rannie) Gordin born 1885 in Sloveni, Senno Uezd, Mogilew Gubernia, Russia died Sep 20 1969 - buried in Montefiore Cemetery, Queens, NY https://imgur.com/welEUxk

    • she married sometime in 1906 one Jacob Etkin b25 Jan 1887 in Minsk, Belarus, d 15 May 1953 in New York

    • Jacob arrived in the US 24 Jun 1906 under the name Yankel Itkin, he stated that he would be joining his Father (according to jacobs gavestone his name would be Abraham) with c/o of a Max Mindlin, Red Bank, NY. Because he had no money, he was detained, and the record list Max Mindlin as his uncle. Manifest https://imgur.com/19cRwfB Detained list https://imgur.com/PtSFPbd

    • Rose arrived 24 Jun 1907, exactly one year after Jacob, passenger name Rone Itkin (row 18) https://imgur.com/jaqELTL - she too was detained and picked up by her husband (row 8) https://imgur.com/YmW8y9z - his address being 165 East Broadway, NY

    • 19 Jan 1909 their daughter Annie (or Anna) Atkin was born https://imgur.com/2RAQfg5 - address 653 Sackman St, NY

    • 1910 Census Jake, Rosie and Annie Etkin - 401 Powell St, Brooklyn, NY https://imgur.com/YOQ0hGT

    • 18 Jan 1912 their daughter Florence Etkin is born in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. https://imgur.com/qql2ucT - Florence died 29 Dec 1975

    • 1915 NY State Census Jacob, Jennie (!), Annie and Flora - they are back in NY: 226 Livonia Ave. https://imgur.com/jwK1Kht

    • Nov 1917 their daughter Sylvia is born in New York

    • Nov 1919 their daughter Lillian is born in New York

    • 1920 Census: Etkin, Jacob, Rose, Anna, Florence and Lillian - Address 1514 St Marks Ave, Brooklyn. https://imgur.com/iyZZB9J

    • 1925 NY State Census surname Atkin, same address 1514 St Marks Ave https://imgur.com/GpH7M9R

    • 1930 Census: https://imgur.com/HTYKy4I and https://imgur.com/YM83YQ3 456 Herzl Street, Brooklyn

    • 1940 Census: They still all live together - address 408 E95th St (that's just a couple of hoses away from Rose's brother Isadore) https://imgur.com/0qtvzTB

    • Anna have married sometime Hyman Lastman https://imgur.com/O8kpe3Q

Now, the headstone of Jacob and Rose says that they had grandchildren. I had wrote an email to Montefiore cemetery once using their contact form in june 2019 and once using the email of their director jan 2020, asking them if they would have a next of kin information or a obituary on file, but never got an answer. (I had some success in writing to the cemeteries before - ifact the first hint of Rose was from the cemetery file from Fanny Balberor (died 1950) that listed in the next of kin list: "Str Mrs Jacob ATKIN NYC", and it took me some time to find everything linked above in this message). 

Any ideas where to dig now?

best regards to all you who are in quarantine, as we are here in Germany. 
Gregory Engels


--
Diane Jacobs


Re: yiddish words - kayne hora means no evil eye. God willing is im yirtse haShem #yiddish

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Kayne hora from the Hebrew Bli ayen hara'a means without the evil eye. God willing is im yirtse ha-Shem
Ida


Re: Fogel family in Rivne or Rowno is this the same place #ukraine

igersammy@...
 

Hi Marilyn,

My own family from the city of Rovno (Rivne in the Ukrainian language). This City has a big ownership history like most of the cities and towns in the Eastern Europe. 
From Wikipedia and my own research:
1.  Following the Second Partition of Poland in 1793 Rovno (Rivne) became a part of the Russian Empire, and in 1797 it was declared to be a county level (uyezd) town of the Volhynian Governorate of the Russian Empire. 
2. 
During World War I (1914-1918) and the period of chaos shortly after, it was briefly under German, Ukrainian, Bolshevik, and Polish rule. In April–May 1919 Rivne served as the temporary capital of Ukrainian People's Republic
3. As the result of the Polish-Soviet war and 
in accordance with the Riga Peace Treaty of 1921 it became a part of Polish Volhynian Voivodeship, a situation which would last until the Second World War (17 September, 1939).
4. On 17-September-1939, Rovno (
Rivne) was taken over by the Soviet Union. From December of the same year Rovno (Rivne) became the centre of the newly established Rivne Oblast, within the Ukrainian SSR.
5. 
On June 28, 1941 Rovno (Rivne) was captured by Nazi Germany, which later established the city as the administrative centre of Reichskommissariat Ukraine. At the time, roughly half of Rovno's inhabitants were Jewish; of these, about 23,000 were taken to a pine grove in Sosenki near the City of Rovno (Rivne) and killed between November 6 and 8 by Nazis and their collaborators. A Jewish ghetto was established in Rovno for the remaining 5,000 Jews. In July 1942, its population was sent 70 km (43 mi) north to Kostopil where they were killed, the ghetto was subsequently liquidated on 13-July-1942.
6. 
On February 2, 1944, the city was liberated from the Nazis by the Red Army in the Battle of Rovno, and remained under Soviet control until Ukraine regained its independence on the break-up of the USSR in 1991.

Please also see attached:
 ''
Holocaust in Rovno Book'' in PDF by Jefrey Burds;