Re: I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general

Susan stone

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 06:39 AM, rebasolomon wrote:

FamilySearch Update: I have been following up on the suggestion to put my trees in Family Search‘s special Archival area. As far as I can determine, this area is called IGI-International Genealogical Index. In the past, it accepted LDS and other family trees for archiving. It has NOT ACCEPTED NEW TREES since 2010 when the entire index was assembled and became part of Legacy’s collections. 
If I am incorrect and you know of a different FamilySearch archive still available out there, please let us all know. 
Reba Harris Solomon, New York

Reba...thank you for this info.  I was just about to see if I could put my tree on Family Search but now I know we can't.  I am going to try my old Family Tree Maker disc, like Marcel Apsel from Antwerpen said to print out an descendant report on paper.BUT...of course this does not preserve the "gallery" of docs, photos and artifacts I've posted:   My Hungarian cousin was a partisan and wrote memories of his time during the Holocaust...My great aunt's wedding invitation in Hungarian and of my grandmother's brothers  dated 1914 in their military uniforms for the Tsar (sent like a postcard with Yiddish on the back).  on and all have this stuff.  
So many ideas in all of these posts. .  Thank you all.  I haven't been attending local geneaology meetings so this helps me feel not so alone with these issues.

Re: Is there such a place as Palestine, Russia??? #russia #galicia

Kenneth Ryesky

I do not like to cite to Wikipedia, but my time is now pressed to do other projects.
Never mind the Arabs whose total life aspirations are to exterminate Jews, "Plastun" in Russian or Ukrainian refers to a Cossack military unit.
"The name derives from the word plast, "sheet" via an expression "to lay like a sheet", i.e., flat and low. The word "plastoon" also can refer to a member of a Ukrainian Scouting organization Plast, named after the original plastoons."
-- Ken Ryesky
Petach Tikva, ISRAEL

Ken Ryesky,  Petach Tikva, Israel     kenneth.ryesky@...

Re: Is there such a place as Palestine, Russia??? #russia #galicia

Dr.Josef ASH

I have found town Plastun on the map. It lays in the far-far East of Russia, on the Japan sea. 
from the linguistic point in may work: PaLeSTiN=PLaSTuN.
the problem is - it had got its name in 1926 and was (and still is) a fishmen village

Josef ASH, Israel

Finding Tomaszow Poland Records - Post 1890 records #poland



I would like to find records from around 1900-1903 from Tomaszow Poland on my mother Pesa Apfel.  I have located the people she claims were he family, but cannot locate any documents on her life from Poland.  Does anyone know how to gain access to records post 1890?

According to Aaron B.  JRI-Poland's records only date from 1890 and before? I can't say if this is true or not, but it would make sense as to why I can find nother on my grandmother.

I have attached documents that should be useful in locating her if anyone does have access to these records.

1. She should be born around 1902 (But I'd search 1901-1903)

2. Her parents were Moszko Apfel and Esther Tauba Goldman.  - So documents we have found relating to her life state.

3. Her brother Judko Apfel and other siblings were Riwka Abram, and Pesla (who died).  Or at least I assume these are her family.  These are the people she listed on documents.  However, I cannot locate any record of her birth. Again, supposedly records post 1890 from Tomaszow aren't Public.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Sophia Cohen

Leib Alter Kubiec Tombstone Photo Request in Lodz, Poland #lodz #photographs #poland

Moishe Miller

Dear Everyone,

I hope my note finds you well, safe from the pandemic. Would anyone have experience in obtaining a picture of a tombstone from the Lodz Cemetery? I looked up the person of interest at: 
I found that Kubiec, Leib Alter, who passed away 23 Feb 1917, is in section "Szcz" of the cemetery. Is there someone I can ask in Lodz, that can photograph that tombstone?

Thank you and stay safe,
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
JGFF #3391

Re: DNA mtDNA - Newly found Jewish Cousins - Research advice needed #dna

Bob Kosovsky

Agne, let me post what FamilyTreeDNA says about mtDNA.  The boldface-underline is mine:

mtDNA testing will not be able to identify specific countries that your maternal ancestors came from. mtDNA mutates slowly which allows you to find out ancient information (such as your haplogroup), and will not help you learn about your more recent (within the past 200-500 years) origins. However, you can use mtDNA results with your personal genealogy research to contact your matches to find out more about where your common ancestors may be from.

That means the people with whom you match could have common relatives older than 500 years.  In other words, mtDNA by itself is generally not useful for finding relatives.

Bob Kosovsky, New York City, seeking any and all permutations/locations of:
Slutsk: DAVIDSON, GELFAND (also Sioux City, Iowa)

Re: Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ? #general

Sally Bruckheimer

"A painter then is the same as a painter now, somebody that puts paint on a surface.  It didn't matter if it was applied inside or outside a building or to a canvas on an easel.  If the person were a rabbi, the manifest would list his profession as a teacher."

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the Christian clerks who wrote the records did not consider rabbis teachers, but ministers or priests of the 'old religion'. In Poland teachers were bakalarz or nauczyciel, and rabbis were duchowny, clergymen.

But yes, a painter is a painter, outside, inside, wherever.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ? #general

Barbara Ellman

My grandfather and his brothers were in real estate in NYC with many apartment buildings.  The brothers employed all of their relatives as they arrived as shmirers (house painters).  The relatives worked as painters until they could establish themselves in another buisiness.

Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ USA
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland

ViewMate - Hebrew translation - 1897 Starokonstantinov Death Records Cause of Death#ukraine #translation

Barry E Chernick

ViewMate - Hebrew translation - 1897 Starokonstantinov Death Records
Cause of Death#ukraine
I have posted 1897 Starokonstantinov Death Records I need the Cause of
Death translated.
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Barry Chernick

Re: DNA mtDNA - Newly found Jewish Cousins - Research advice needed #dna

Molly Staub

Hi Agne, I test as 100% Ashkenazic Jewish, but I have found links to Syria (relatives seeking religious freedom who emigrated to my father's native town in Bessarabia in the 19th century), Brazil and Argentina (relatives fleeing Russian pogroms who settled in South America in the 20th Century), China (formerly from Russia in the 20th century probably pursuing economic opportunities), and Australia and New Zealand (from a branch that had settled in Great Britain originally from Russia). I suggest you follow every possibility; that's what makes genealogy research such fun! And why they call  us "wandering Jews."

Molly Staub

Re: Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ? #general


my late father used to refer to "ship painters" - a mildly derisive term for people who decided that they were "painters" during the voyage to america.

....... tom klein, toronto

At 13:49 -0700 8/9/20, main@... wrote:

My grandfather was a religious scholar in Lutsk i.e. as far as I know , he did not have a marketable skill when he arrived in the U.S. in 1902 . Eventually, he worked with others as a house painter , I don't know if that was inside or outside , but my father told me that he didn't make much money because he was always taking time off for the yom-toyvim or to daven during the day . On all the documents such as census etc . his profession was listed as " painter " . However , I just noticed that on his ship manifest his profession was also listed as "painter " .

Some cousins have speculated that he was a " portrait painter " in Lutsk . I doubt that , not only because the rabbis frowned upon painting the human form , but also because it was not a good way to make a living .

When I looked at other ship manifests , I noticed that there were a lot of people who put down their professions as "painter" . This leads to me to believe that American relatives had told people that "painter" was an acceptable profession for the American immigration authorities . I can't believe that there were so many Marc Chagalls among Eastern European Jews .

Does anyone know what " painter" was likely to mean to Americans and Jewish immigrants in the early part of the 20th century and if it was indeed a profession that relatives told new emigrants to use ?
Henry H. Carrey


....... tom klein, toronto

Re: Help to Take down a family tree created with FT Maker #general #records


Jefferey -

In order to offer advice, it would be good to know exactly where this tree is posted.   Can you go to the website and look at the URL and let us know what it starts with?  (For example, the URL for a tree posted on Ancestry will start with or

- Miriam Alexander Baker

Bloch Family from Raslavice #hungary

F. Zappa

I am researching the Bloch family from Raslavice Hungary.  My entire family migrated to the USA by the early 1900s.  I am particularly interested in the early history of Judah (Julius) Bloch, married to Lotti Gottdiener Bloch.  Lotti's parents were Isak Nathan Gottdiener and Gertrude "Kati" Stern Gottdiener.

The Bloch family migrated to Ohio and most, to Cleveland.

What I am particularly interested in is Judah's parents.  According to my records, Judah Bloch was born in Zalobin (Zsalobina.)  At 16 years of age (1869), he was staying with a Stern family in varanno (Vranov) and two possibilities are that his mother passed and the Sterns took him in, or that he was at that location to study the Torah as his eventual profession was as a Scribe.  His father is listed as a David Bloch and his mother's name is unknown.  Judah has a sister named Anna Bloch, who married into the Milder family.  And in some records, Judah and Anna are listed as children of the above named Isaak and Gertrude Gottdiener.

My family is curious about events during Judah and Anna's early life.  Unfortunately nobody in the current Bloch family has any knowledge of this time frame.
Russell Bloch
Metro Detroit, Michigan
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There's still time to register for tomorrow's (9/9) sephardic genealogy webinar #announcements #events

Moriah Amit

Family History Today: Portuguese Citizenship - Reconnecting with your Sephardic Iberian Ancestors

Wednesday, September 9, 3 PM ET

While Spain has ended its Law of Return for descendants of Sephardic Jews, Portugal continues to be an option for those wishing to reclaim their ancestors' citizenship. Rita Mayer Jardim, a Lisbon-based lawyer specializing in this path to Portuguese citizenship, will address the most common questions she receives from prospective applicants. Learn what is required to prove your Sephardic heritage, how long it takes, and other practical details that will help you navigate the process.

This program is sponsored by the Ackman & Ziff Family Genealogy Institute. It is supported, in part, by public funds from the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs in partnership with the City Council.

Ticket Info: Pay what you wish; register at /tickets/family-history-today-2020-09-09 to receive a link to the Zoom program.

Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Librarian at the Center for Jewish History
New York, NY

Re: Ship Manifests : Profession " painter " - What does it mean ? #general

A painter then is the same as a painter now, somebody that puts paint on a surface.  It didn't matter if it was applied inside or outside a building or to a canvas on an easel.  If the person were a rabbi, the manifest would list his profession as a teacher.
There was no requirement to have a marketable skill listed on the manifest in 1902.  The only requirement was to be able to verify the occupation and other facts listed on the manifest when questioned upon arrival.  All of my relatives were truthful in listing their occupations and among all the people I have found manifests for in my various trees, only one was listed as a painter.  And that person continued to work as a painter after arriving.
Karen Silver

Pictorial history of Budapest’s Dohany Street synagogue #hungary

Art Hoffman

This was sent to me by a good friend that emigrated to the US after the 1956 Hungarian revolution.  I checked to see if the URL was previously submitted to the JewishGen digest but didn't come up with any.

Art Hoffman

Town in Ukraine : Kosinke near Zhitomir #ukraine

Henry Carrey Boston,MA . Carey/Kirzhner/Berestyaner , Belous , Isenberg - Lutsk ; Postolov/Herman/Kolovsky-Zhitomir

Almost all documents that my grandfather Shloyme Postolov filled out show his place of birth as Zhitomir and that is where he lived with his wife and her family and where recently discovered Russian cousins emigrated from . 

However , on his ship manifest from 1908 , he shows his birthplace as “Kosinke” .  The Russian cousins don’t recignize any towns named Kosinke near Zhitomir . 

The story is that his mother and two sisters died in one of the cholera epidemics of the 1880’s . The rabbi told his father Yoysef to add Chaim to his name , burn the house and wagon and send his two remaining children away . They were sent to Zhitomir to apprentice with a blacksmith . Shloyme was boarding with my grandmother’s aunt where he met her . Fayvl disappeared and was never heard from again .  

I am trying to find out what likely places my grandfather actually came from . There is a Kozyn near Zhitomir and several Kosinkes showing in the Gazeteer in Ukraine - one close to Dnepepetrovsk . 

Does anyone have any opinions as to which one was a likely place for Jews to live within a reasonable distance from Zhitomir ?  

Henry H. Carrey 

Re: Federal Judge Blocks Early Stop of Census Count #announcements #usa


From Louis Trachtman (Louis777@...)
Actually the percentages quoted are that of households, not residents.  If the per cent of residents were known, then the entire population could also easily be calculated.
Households can number from one to many more people.

Hi~Searching for Family. GERSZON & POLEJES from Rubezhevichi, Belarus. #belarus


Hi all~

Searching my Mother's side of the family.  

My name:  Stefanie Haftel Warrenbrand
My Mother:  Sylvia Karalefsky Haftel
Her Mother: Frances Gerson (Gerszon)-->New Haven, CT
Her Grandmother:  Bejla (Beala, Bayla) Polejes (Poleyes)/Husband Israel Gerszon-->New Haven, CT
Her Great Grandfather: Juda (Judah? Yehuda) Polejes 

If there is anyone that can help me search Sideways and Further Back in this part of the tree, I'd appreciate it so much!


Sincerely, Stefanie

Viewmate Translations of Newly Found Polish Alegata Records #poland #translation

Barbara Stack

Friends, some of you will have seen the announcement on JRIPoland by Nowy Dwor Town Leader Alan K'necht about the recent discovery of some Alegata Records. For reference on Alegata Records, look here:
I’m the cousin that volunteered to shlep the following pages through Viewmate:
The information added by these records is of great interest to a whole circle of us. Any help Polish translators can lend would be much appreciated!
Best sequestration regards,
Barbara Toby Stack
Berkeley, California
ALTSTEIN                       Mlawa, Poland
ALTSZTEJN                    Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland
CHRZADOWSKI            Brzeziny, Poland
CHSHUNSTOFSKY       Brzeziny, Kikol, Lipno Poland
DROZDOWCIZ              Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland
OLDSTEIN                      England, US, Australia
RESNICK                        Volhynia, Ukraine
SCHLEGER                     Lokachi, Ukraine
STACHOWITZ                USA
STASIOWICH                 Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland
THORNER                       Plock, Poland
TORUNCZYK                 Warszawa, Poland
YECHT                             Lokachi, Ukraine
ZLOTNICK                      Nowy Dwor, Mazowiecki, Poland

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