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Re: ViewMate translation request – One Name in Old German Script #germany #general

jochen@...
 

Hi Jeff,
your great-grangmother's first name was Rebecka and
her maiden name indeed was Samuel. It doesn't say where
she was from, but her last place of residence was the city of Kiel
on the Baltic Sea, approx. 120 K north from Altona (which is next to Hamburg)

I may add, that Moses Salomon's wife's first name was most likely not "Betty"
(compare the first capital letter with the last name Benjamin), the end to me looks more like
something like ".ettig", sorry not to be of more help.

Best regards
Josh Waiblinger


Re: polite, correct word for genealogy purposes? #general

airbair@...
 

As a spouse in a same-sex marriage, I suggest spouse as a valuable term for any people in a marriage, regardless of gender(s).  When we got married, the celebrant congratulated us as now being " husband and husband."  

The difficulty with "partner"  is that is is ambiguous on whether it is a familial term or a business term.  Even after being married for 12 years and in a domestic partnership for almost 20 years, people newly met and told that we are partners still assume my spouse and I are in business together.

Also, we are married AND domestic partners - two different statuses, entered into at different times, and still both applicable.  At one time, before national marriage equality, being domestic partners could provide rights in states that didn't yet affirm same-sex marriage.

Thanks for thinking about all this.

Jeff
San Francisco, CA


Re: Mexican Vital Records relative from Poland #latinamerica

The Becker's Email
 

Ancestry World subscription has a number of documents in addition to the birth record:  death record for Max, several border crossings from Mexico into the US, US naturalization papers (original) for Juan.  Once public libraries reopen, many have library subscriptions to Ancestry and you should be able to access free.

birth of Juan (m) and Raquel (f) twins b. 10 Oct. 1923  in Mexico City.  Birth registered in 1926.  Father Max Greenberg and mother Maria Allerhard.  It's a very long entry in Spanish and my Spanish is rusty.
death of Max Greenberg:  age 70, died 1936. wife Maria Alerhard.  Parent Nojiun and Basia.

On two different El Paso border crossing in 1933 Max is listed as b.c. 1876 Vlodorka/Valenda, Poland.  Wife Maria.  

In all of these records there's more to translate.  There are also more El Paso border crossings.

There's a 1944 declaration of intent for John Allegant Greenberg (Juan Greenberg) in the Western District of Texas.  He was born 10 Oct. 1923 Mexico and emigrated in 1939.

Border crossing at El Paso 1934 for Raquel.  going to cousin Jake Ellegant in Chicago.  Looks like a temporary visa.

Johanna Becker
Newport, RI


Re: passenger manifest missing/not indexed? #general

Marion Werle
 

Immigration recollections are not always correct. For some reason (I haven't conducted a scientific survey, however!) people seem to remember the ship name more often than the precise date. If you search by month/year and ship name (don't use a name in your search), you will get a list of manifests from the approximate time period. You may need to search the manifests manually, and you may need to expand the time period. Also, Julius Silver may have arrived under the surname Zilber, and Julius may have been something else as well. You need to be very creative when searching for passenger lists. My comments reflect doing searches on Ancestry.

And for the record, I have never found my maternal grandmother's ship manifest after 25 years of searching. She was always boasting that she didn't have to travel in steerage, and Marian Smith (formerly of USCIS) said that non-steerage passengers didn't always appear on passenger manifests during some time periods.

Marion Werle
<canadagenes@...>
Los Angeles, CA


Re: Fairy Tales my Father Told Me #belarus

Ruth
 

My grandfather told my mother (before she emigrated to Canada, 1956) that we had family in Boston and that one member was even a rabbi. Once we arrived in Canada, she tried to find him but had no luck. She died in 1988. Fast forward to 2014. I emailed a distant cousin whether he knew anything about the family in Boston. Sure enough, the cousin knew about them and even had their email addresses. We went to Boston, visited with the family (grandchildren of the rabbi) and I copied photos of him and his sons. Rabbi Rafael Landau (1877-1955) was my grandfather's first cousin. By the time my mother searched for him, he was long dead.
--
Ruth Chernia
Toronto, Canada
searching for
TSCHERNIA of Copenhagen, Denmark, & Genichesk, Kherson Oblast, Ukraine
SHLAMOWITZ/SZLAMOWICZ/BIRENCWEIG of London, England; Lodz & Jezow, Poland
SEIDLER/ZAJDLER/LANDAU of Lodz & Sulejow, Poland
ROSENFELD of Raków, Kielce, Poland
SHKOLNIK/TICK[ER] of Ladyzhyn & Bershad, Vinnytsia, Ukraine


Surnames #names #germany

Lin Herz
 

HI Everyone,
I hope you all are safe and well.
I'd like to list my family surnames as I have not done this in a while to see if anyone is researching the same names. I'm not sure if the format I'm using is all right for our new message list format. I'm hoping someone will see a name that is among their family surnames.
I have the surname and then where in Germany they are from. 

Sincerely and best wishes,
Lin Herz

BUEHLER  - Noerdlingen/Kleinerdlingen/Donau-Ries, Bavaria, Germany; 

                         Schopfloch, Germany  

(our Buehlers may have originated and Schweizers and supposedly the schweizers (before permanent last names) came from a name named Salomon Weil- who may or may not have been from Switzerland)

SANDAL /LAUCHHEIMER (this is before permanent last names. The permanent last name was Lauchheimer- from Kleinerdlingen

ROSENBERGERr- Oberdorf-Bopfingen, Ostalbkreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany

OETTINGER-Öttinger-  Mönchsroth, Ansbach, Bavaria, Germany;  Oberdorf-Bopfingen, Ostalbkreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany

ADLER Markelsheim, Baden-Württemberg, Germany; aka Markelsheim, Main-Tauber-Kreis, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany

ADLER- Eberstädt, Heilbronn, Baden-Württemberg,  Germany

ROTHSCHILD-Eberstädt, Heilbronn, Baden-Württemberg,  Germany

                       Davenport, Iowa

       Chicago? 

SELIGMANN- Crailsheim, Schwabisch Hall, Baden-Württemberg, Germany

KAUFMANN  -y Eberstadt, Heilbronn, Baden-Wurttemberg
WOLF- Munster, Darmstadt-Dieburg, Hessen, Germany

 

LEVI-       Markt Berolzheim, Weissenburg-Gunzenhausen, Bayern, Bavaria, Germany;    

           Waldorf, Bornheim, Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany;

           Heimerzheim, Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

            Ollheim, Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany (Swisttal near Bonn

 

SCHWEIZER- / SCHWEITZER-  Dernau, Ahrweiler, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany

HERZ         Markt Berolzheim aka Berolzheim, Weissenburg-Gunzenhausen, Bayern, Bavaria, Germany

AFFHAUSER  Ichenhausen, Günzburg, Bavaria  ,    Berolzheim, Weissenburg-Gunzenhausen, Bayern, Bavaria, Germany

SCHOENWALTER- Berolzheim, Weissenburg-Gunzenhausen, Bayern, Bavaria, Germany

HEYMAN-    Westum, Sinzig, Ahrweiler, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany; 

                   Remagen, Germany

SCHWEIZER (Kleinerdlingen, Donau-Ries, Bayern, Germany) SCHWEIZER (Schopfloch, Ansbach, Bayern, Germany) Schweizer

 

OTTENTENHEIMER / FREUDENTHALER -Heinsheim, Heilbronn, Baden-Württemberg, Germany

JESSELSOHN/ JESELSOHN/ - Neckarbishofsheim

HERZ - Nümbrecht, Oberbergischer Kreis, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany;   earlier in time from:

            Schwarzenau, Kitzingen, Bayern, Germany

note: before the Herzes had a permanent last name, my ggg grandfather’s name was Herz Baer. (Baer is a patronymic) He was born in Schwarzenau (not Bad 

Berleberg) His father’s name was Baer Cohn, but again, Cohn was not a last name.

 

SALOMON- Schwarzenau, Bad Berleburg, Siegen-Wittgenstein, NRW

REINHEIMER - Beerfelden, Odenwaldkreis, Hessen, Germany
                           Georgenhausen, Reinheim, Darmstadt-Dieburg, Hesse

SIMON- Beerfelden, HESSE

HUMBERGKlein Reken, Borken, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany

 (HAMBERG-   (I just found a "new" branch of HUMBERGS who changed their surname to HAMBERG upon coming to America)  Philadelphia, PA

     related to me and it turns out the name was previously Humberg in Germany)

Leyser- Schwarzenau, Schwarzenau, Bad Berleburg, Siegen-Wittgenstein, NRW

Anschel- Rheine, Steinfurt, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany

Samson- died in Klein Reken

Isaak ? may have lived in Klein Reken

Schwarz- Raesfeld, Borken, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
                 Arnhem, Netherlands
Gans-   Winterswijk, Netherlands

Blom - Winterswijk, Netherlands,   Baltimore, Maryland

Elkan/Elcan/Alcan/Alkan/ Elkaan- Raesfeld, Borken, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany

Abraham Moises (1766-1861)  (did not have a last name, but his son took the last name Schwarz)- Schwabach, Bayern, Germany

Jost - Raesfeld, Borken, Nordrhein-Westfalen

Jost Israel- no last name- Raesfeld

Michels- Raesfeld

 

Simon- Georgenhausen, Reinheim, Darmstadt-Dieberg, Hesse, Germany

 

Herz -Wiesbaden, Hessen, Deutschland

 

 


Partial Manifest Located, How to locate remaining section #unitedkingdom #general

debannex@...
 

Hello. I have located what I believe to be a partial manifest for the SS Paris, sailing from NY to Plymouth, arriving August 8th, 1929.  I located the manifest on Ancestry, UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960, Plymouth, England, 1929 August. 

My grandparents, Charles and Dorothy Weingarten,  took this ship and I can not find their names. Any suggestions? I think I page might be missing. 

Thank you in advance for any advice

Deborah Moscou Annex


Re: Friedmann restaurant in Baden Bei Wien 1900-1915? #austria-czech #hungary

Sherri Bobish
 


Emma may want to try searching for her family and their restaurant in old city directories.  This site is free, and has a large database of Eastern European directories from the past.

https://genealogyindexer.org/directories

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ


Re: German Citizenship under Article 116 #germany

Naomi Sachs
 

FWIW, we applied in August 2019. At the time they said it could take 18 months to two years to process.  Of course that was pre-COVID and pre-full Brexit - no idea what the lead times look like now.


Re: Trouble identifying city / town on ship manifest #austria-czech

Steve Hamburg
 

I don't see the full image of the manifest. In lieu of that, if you could provide the first names of your great grandparents, approximate ages in 1906, where they eventually settled, and how they eventually spelled the family name, I might be able to shed some light on this.

Meanwhile, based on your great grandfather's roots, I'm with Phil K here and would bet that your great grandmother was from Galicia. My maternal grandfather came to the US as a child in 1905 and always said he was "from Austria," but it was quite obvious that he was from Austria-Hungary, not modern Austria. Not long after I got into family research I learned he was from Strzyzow, which is now in SE Poland. I even found his birth record, which was appropriately bi-lingual - Polish and German.


Re: Mexican Vital Records relative from Poland #latinamerica

lsragovicz@...
 

Found a marriage record on ancestry. Also, try family search.  If you need help translating, I will be happy to help you. Good luck.

Lia
--
Lia Sragovicz


Re: New Webinar From Jennifer Mendelsohn On How To Approach Genealogical Research #galicia #education

Mark Jacobson
 

Gesher Galicia is not JewishGen, we are a separate and independent organization with our own membership and our own website. This is one of the many benefits of being a paid member of Gesher Galicia.
 
Mark Jacobson
Past President, JGSPBCI
Gesher Galicia Board member
JRI-Poland Town Leader Boryslaw and Drohobycz
Boca Raton, FL

 
 
 
 

On Monday, June 8, 2020, 08:46:24 AM EDT, <dsmd@...> wrote:
 
 

Those of us who don’t have Galician ancestors would benefit from this webinar and in my opinion it should be made available to all Jewish Gen members, since the information is not specific to Galicia. I hope you will consider opening it to everyone.

Deborah Shapiro 


On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:47 PM, Steven Turner wrote:

We at Gesher Galicia are thrilled to present for our members an exciting presentation by Ms. Jennifer Mendelsohn, one of the true all-stars on the genealogy circuit today,

Jennifer is just an example of some of the talent we have within our membership. She is a proud Galitzianer with two grandparents from the province with connections to the city of Kraków and the towns of Bolechów and Śniatyn. We thank Jennifer for taking the time to record this for our members. We are indeed fortunate to have her both as a member and a presenter.

Jennifer is a seasoned journalist and ghostwriter whose work has appeared in numerous local and national publications including The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time, People, Slate, and USA Today.

A native Long Islander now based in Baltimore, Mendelsohn serves on the board of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Maryland and is the administrator of Facebook’s Jewish genetic genealogy group. A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists, she is the creator of the movement known as #resistancegenealogy, a project that uses genealogical and historical records to fight disinformation and honor America’s immigrant past. Her work has received media attention, including being featured on CNN, The New Yorker, and The Washington Post.

Jennifer’s presentation discusses using journalism techniques in genealogy. We learn about how her background as a reporter led her to become a genealogist. She talks about how approaching genealogical problems with a journalistic mindset can bolster your research. She gives practical illustrations of how to apply these techniques in real-life research situations.

Please make sure you are logged into Gesher Galicia before clicking the link.

https://www.geshergalicia.org/members/video-presentations/

You must be a member of Gesher Galicia to be able to access the webinars and other resources in the Members Portal. Please click on the link below to join or renew your membership to be able to view this presentation.

https://www.geshergalicia.org/membership/

If you are unable to access the Members Portal, send your inquiries to: membership@....

Please email Gesher Galicia info@... with any questions or comments.

Enjoy the webinar series, one of many benefits of your membership in Gesher Galicia. Please stay tuned for an exciting lineup of programs to follow.

Hoping all of you are staying safe and wishing you a Shavuah Tov or Gutte Voch as they would have said in Galicia .

Sincerely,
Dr. Steven S. Turner
President, Gesher Galicia


Re: Trouble identifying city / town on ship manifest #austria-czech

Jeremy Lefkowitz
 

Thank you for this excellent suggestion.  One can imagine RABKA, spoken or written in Yiddish ( ראבקה), coming to be pronounced as RUH-Beh-Kuh (?)...maybe.  Looks like it had a tiny jewish population (48 in 1880, 172 in 1921), according to the jewishgen link, so there won't be a ton of material out there, I would assume. 

This one will be easier to answer, I think: the jewishgen link for "RABKA" (https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Community.php?usbgn=-524684) has the district as "Myslenice"...is that related to / the same as "Mikulince"? 


The Family Names I Search #names

SANDI ROOT
 

Every once in a while I want to put all of the family names I search out there with the hope of new, solid connections.  It doesn’t hurt to try, right?

 

Besides the U.S., the countries involved are: Australia, Canada, England, Lithuania, Poland, South Africa, and the Ports of Tampico or Vera Cruz, Mexico (for Beral William “Willy” COHEN).

Wish me luck.

Sandi (Blumenthal) Root

Texas


Actively Searching:

 

BADESCH, BANUS /BENESH /BENESCH /BENIS /BENNITZ /BENITEZ /BENNISH /BEINASH /BEINASHOWITZ, BECKERMAN, BLOCK /BLOCH, BLUMENTHAL /BLUM, BRODY, CHEKOWSKI /CHEKOFSKI, COHEN /KAHAN /KAGAN, EICHEL, FRIEDLEN, FRIEDMAN, GALINA, GOLD, GREENBERG, GUTKOWSKY /GOOD, HANAK, HARWICK, HERRE, JANKELOWITZ /JACOBSON,  KRIZANSKI, LIEBOVITCH /LEIBOWITZ, MANNE, MENDELSON, MICHELSON, NIDER, OFFMAN /HOFFMAN, PETERS, PISER, ROTHCHILD, SCHNEIDERMAN /SNYDERMAN, SUVALKER /SUVALSKI, TABACK, WEIL, WHATLEY, ZIVETZ


Re: Trouble identifying city / town on ship manifest #austria-czech

Friedrich L.
 

If both spouses spoke Yiddish exclusively, this indicates that they came from the East - eastern Poland, western Ukraine.

Novograd was located in Volhynia and today belongs to the Ukrainian oblast of Shitomir. Adjacent to it to the west was the Austrian crown land of Galicia and Lodomeria, which today belongs largely to Ukraine. If the great-grandmother was born in Austria, this most likely meant Galicia and Lodomeria. Here I would look for the place in question.

I only recognize "Rub" for sure, the rest of the name is ambiguous. In the relevant gazetteers I haven't found a trace so far.


Re: Trouble identifying city / town on ship manifest #austria-czech

Phil Karlin
 

I suggest Rabka, Poland, which at the time was in the Austrian Empire. Search "Rubacca" with the Sounds Like option in the JewishGen Community Database.
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Community.php?usbgn=-524684

The province of Galicia changed hands through the years between Poland, Russia, & Austria.
My GGF said he was from Austria. It was the part of Austria near Ternopil Ukraine.

I've also seen internal vowels contracted. For example, my name Karlin was sometimes Karolin.


Re: Bukowski/Shapiro family - Nizhne-Studënyy #ukraine

Carole Shaw
 

Nizhne-Studënyy is in Zakarpattia (Transcarpathia) Oblast of SW Ukraine at grid ref  N 48°42′00″ E 23°22′00″.

 

It’s closer to the Slovakian and Hungarian border and the towns of Uzhhorod and Ivano-Frankivsk than to Lviv/Lvov which is some way to the north.  See if there are records in the municipal/district archives of those 2 towns or the capital of Zakarpattia.

 

Carole Shaw, London UK
SCHNEIDER: Kamanets Podolsk, Ukraine & Libava/ Libau/Liepaja, Latvia
KLUGMAN, GOLDSCHMID (plus variations), BRAUER: Libava/Libau/Liepaja, Latvia & Johannesburg
ROSENTHAL, ZUSCHNEIDER/CUSZNAJDER: Lublin, Poland
GREENBERG, BRZOZA/BJOZHA, SOBERSKI: Lomza/Nowogrod, Poland
SAMSON, BLIK: Amsterdam, Zandvoort, Holland

WOLFSBERGEN, BOSMAN: Holland

ZANDGRUNDT (plus variations), SANDGROUND: Warsaw, London and beyond

JACOBOVITCH/JACKSON: Staszow, Poland & London

KOSKOVITCH/KENTON: Staszow, Poland & London


Re: Vetting family tree submissions to genealogy sites for data soundness #general

Elise Cundiff
 

I have one person who contacted me to share that my great-grand uncle was married to his grandmother's sister (correct) and that they had lived in another state and had a daughter (not correct, it was a case of same name for both husband and wife.)  I was able to point out several documents that showed he had misidentified the out of state family as being ours,  but he didn't accept that; I also asked him if there was any family knowledge of this daughter - to this question, he never replied. 


Re: Trouble identifying city / town on ship manifest #austria-czech

Jeremy Lefkowitz
 

Thanks for this suggestion...Rußbach seems lovely, and I wouldn't mind a chalet there, but it does seem unlikely in the absence of any references to a jewish community there, but who knows?  Was there a community there?

There's also a village called Rauschenbach or Russbach, in northern Hungary (modern Revúca?), which could have been described as "Austria" at the time, but I don't yet see anything promising about this place either.


Re: Mexican Vital Records relative from Poland #latinamerica

skyejaz@...
 

Marriage records in Mexico can sometimes be a bit hard to find. I have a world explorer subscription and can see if I can find anything for you tonight. 

Death records are a bit easier (but the transcription from Yiddish/Spanish/English can sometimes be really messed up).[I found my husband's grandfather Efaim Fishel indexed under Peroim Pizzel- lol!)
  You may also want to try a neat website that I found for a Mexican newspaper that has a lot of information an marriages and deaths  It's called prensa Israelita and it is in Spanish, but I've had good luck in finding my husband's Mexican family.  https://ufdc.ufl.edu/AA00065527/00228


Wendy Cadieux
Manchester, NH

Searching Borenstein, Mostkoff, Bauman, Sapotnitsky, Boruchovich, Polak


On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 03:49 PM, Carol wrote:

Does anyone have a clue where I could find a marriage and death record for a Polish immigrant who settled in Mexico around 1900-1920, married a few years later, and died in the late 1930s? His name was Max Greenberg from Waldowa; he married Masha Allegant and had two children: “Raquel” and “Juan.”   I can find him in a census on line, and found birth records for the two children, but would love to see the other documents.  Thanks!

 

Carol Isenberg Clingan

Dedham MA

 

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