Chicago repeat marriage in mid 20th C. #general #usa

Hanna Grossman

Can someone make a suggestion as to why my 4th cousin once removed, Max KIRCHHEIMER (KIRK) who said in his citizenship papers that he married Alice FREUDENTHAL in Chicago on 12 Nov 1938, whose 1940 census shows him living as married with Alice, her parents, siblings and their baby, should show up in a Cook County marriage index as marrying her on 27 Oct 1950?

What reason might there be for marrying the same person again? There is no indication that they were divorced in between.

Hanna Grossman, Arlington, VA

Re: A question about age #general

Sherri Bobish

Hi Ellen,

Was Mollie NADLER born in England?  If so, have you looked for her birth record at:

Based on the info that you have given, my guess would be that Solomon & Annie were raising someone else's child.  Perhaps a sibling or cousin of either Annie or Solomon?


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Re: Mother Instead of Father on Gravestone #general #germany


I have seen this once on a gravestone in Vienna of my g-g-g-g-g aunt Rosa FISCHHOF geb. FRIEDLAENDER (ca.1787-1860).   Her father was named Joseph FRIEDLAENDER and her oldest son was named Josef.  It seems unlikely that the father's name could have been forgotten, since the namesake grandson was around for over 50 years (though he did die 3 years before his mother).  Based on the birth of the namesake in 1804, and the the seeming re-marriage of this wife in about 1804 (had a son in 1805),I have assumed that Rosa's father died in 1803 or 1804.

There is no reason to doubt that Joseph FRIEDLAENDER was Jewish.  However, I could entertain the possibility that he did not die in 1804, but instead that he converted to Christianity around that time (no evidence), leading to a divorce from his wife (no evidence) so that she could re-marry ca.1804 -- and leading to his omission from his daughter's gravestone.  (Though his daughter did name a son after him in 1804; not so likely if had converted and not died.)

I have wondered about this reference to the mother and not the father on a gravestone, but have not learned the reason for this specific instance or the occasional appearance of this phenomenon.

All the best,
Stephen Falk
Point Roberts, WA, USA

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Re: Relationship question #general

Nicole Heymans

My mother's aunt married a widower with 4 very young children, some time in the 1920s. The grandchildren were adults before they discovered grandma was not their biological grandma.
Death records are notoriously unreliable because they rely on what informants think they know. Maybe Annie was married to or widow of a NADLER when she died, but had previously been married to a WALDHORN. Maybe Aron and Annie followed different religious paths, and one described her parents using secular names and the other used Jewish names.
Happy hunting, Nicole Heymans, Belgium

Re: Relationship question #general

Sally Bruckheimer

Many years ago, when early deaths were common, kids often took the family name of the stepfather after their widowed mother remarried. It is possible that one or both of these children, Annie WALDHORN and Aron KENIG, did this. If the death certificate says her name was Annie KENIG NADLER, then married WALDHORN, this might have happened here.

Annie might have been born to the mother and father KENIG, but her mother was widowed and remarried NADLER. Since you don't have all the first names, we have a lot of 'wiggle room'. It is possible too, that her mother died then, and her stepfather remarried, so that the children might only have known the stepfather and 2nd (or third) wife. Things weren't officially recorded if a parent died and the remaining parent remarried. It is so sad to see a 20 year old widow or widower remarrying.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

New Face Book group for Jews interned in Shanghai WW 2 #announcements

Miriam Margolyes <yarrawa@...>

I'd like to alert Genners to a new FB group;
Shanghai Internees & Jewish Refugee Group 1945. We should remember those interned on 15 Aug 2020, which marks the 75th Anniversary of the liberation of Shanghai.

Miriam Margolyes
Clapham, S. London

Re: Need help to locate family in Mukachevo-Munkacs #ukraine


I wonder, were/are your Friedman Family from Munkachevo  -Kohanim or Yisroel?

Do you have any 'other' family info? 

I am a nee Friedman, so was My late Mother-in law.

To my knowledge, my late mother-in law's  grandfather was Dayan Zvi- Hakoheb Friedman--Dayan of Beregovo/ Kezmark ? 

I wonder, what is written on his -Abraham Friedman's Matzevah?

Guth Wocht
Veronika Pachtinger

Re: Death in New York City and burial in New Jersey #usa #germany

Deanna Levinsky <DEANNASMAC@...>

I can personally attest to people from New York being buried in New Jersey. My father bought plots in NJ while we were living in the Bronx. Reason 1-It wasn't that far away, 2- Very inexpensive (at that time) especially compared to NY, 3- Burial spaces in NYC and close environs were not that plentiful, 4- nicer landscaping, 5- newer cemeteries offered flat markers rather than tombstones; this was less expensive and made perpetual care possible at no cost. I would be happy to donate 4 plots to a worthy Jewish organization
Deanna M. Levinsky, Long Island, NY

Re: Death in New York City and burial in New Jersey #usa #germany


The Jewish emigrants from Eastern Europe living in the Lower East Side and other parts of Manhattan early on recognized the inevitable by forming burial societies that acquired space in the outer boroughs, and across the Hudson in northern New Jersey.  My grandparents and parents rest together with extended family in a family circle plot in Beth Israel Memorial Park  in Woodbridge, New Jersey.  These were New Yorkers buried in New Jersey  Tens of thousands are buried at Beth Israel.   

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How to make sense of two death records that don't make sense to me #germany

Shana Millstein

While research my German relative Seraphina LICHTENSTEIN WETZLAR I’ve come across an odd situation that I’m not sure how to interpret.  I found what I believed to be her death record from 1901: 88 year old Seraphina Lichtenstein, a widow of B. Wetzlar, and the daughter of the dancing-master Levi Lichtenstein and his wife Henriette born Lichtenstedter both deceased. The record was read, approved and signed by Leopold Wetzlar (son of Seraphina).

I then found an earlier record of the 1890 death of 84 year old Seraphine Lichtenstein, unmarried. It would be easy to conclude this is a different person with the same name, but the record also states that she was the daughter of the dance-teacher Israel Levi Lichtenstein and wife Friedericke, born Lichtenstäd. This record was read, approved and signed by Henriette Lichtenstein. Any ideas to make sense of this?  

Re: SAM WEISSBERGER - U.S. Social Security Applications and Claims, 1936-2007 #general

Vivian Kahn

Rokytov is a village and municipality in Bardejov District in the Prešov Region of north-east Slovakia. It was formerly Homonna-Rokito, Zemplen.
I found birth record in the  JewishGen Hungary Database for WEISSBERGER Samuel born 18 Oct 1878 in Hommona-Rokito, Zemplen.  His parents were WEISZBERGER David and MOSKOVITS Szara/Szure. Rokytov is nowhere near Budapest but Budapest is the only place in Hungary that many Americans can recognize.

Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California
JewishGen Hungarian Research Director

Re: Death in New York City and burial in New Jersey #usa #germany

June Genis

This raises a question for me about my own father's death.  Although he was buried in NJ the research I did in Trenton indicated that he actually died elsewhere, maybe NYC.  I found an index record with a certificate number on it but the NYC records office told me that it could not be located by that number although they never explained why.  They were unable to locate it based on the information I was able to give them.  Since my father Nathan Genis died of bone cancer it it quite possible that he was transferred from NJ to a cancer facility in NYC.  I tried contacting Sloane Kettering but they do not have records going back that far.  He died in December 1949, possibly on the 10th based on an obituary I found.

Can anyone suggest how I might obtain the actual death certificate? Here is the Find a Grave data. Note tht it says he died in NJ but that is not what the Trenton archives indicate.

NameNathan GenisBirth Date21 Sep 1899Birth PlaceJersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey, United States of AmericaDeath Date10 Dec 1949Death PlaceNew Jersey, United States of AmericaCemeteryNorth Arlington Jewish CemeteryBurial or Cremation PlaceNorth Arlington, Bergen County, New Jersey, United States of AmericaHas Bio?NSpouseAugusta Genis

Re: SAM WEISSBERGER - U.S. Social Security Applications and Claims, 1936-2007 #general

The Becker's Email

Familysearch has Sam’s declaration and petition for naturalization.  This gives his place of birth as H. Rokito Hungary.




Johanna Becker

Newport, RI


Rokytov, Slovakia #slovakia

Vivian Kahn

Rokytov is a village and municipality in Bardejov District in the Prešov Region of north-east Slovakia. It was formerly Homonna-Rokito, Zemplen.

I found Samuel’s birth record in the JewishGen Hungary Database.
. His parents were WEISZBERGER David and MOSKOVITS Szara/Szure.

Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California
JewishGen Hungarian Research Director

Re: SAM WEISSBERGER - U.S. Social Security Applications and Claims, 1936-2007 #general
From: Renee Steinig
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 10:33:43 PDT
There is a naturalization record on Family Search for a Sam Weissberger born 18 Oct 1878:

According to the record, he was born in H. Rokito, Hungary, and immigrated in 1906. Googling suggests that this place may now be in Slovakia; I couldn't find it in JewishGen's Gazetteer.

A death record of a Samuel Weissberger who died on 15 July 1946 is also on FamilySearch. According to the record, his parents were David and Sarah.

Nava, do you know your great-grandmother's birth place? Or her parents' names?


Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY

Nava Giron <nava105@...> wrote:‬

... Lately I found in myheritage research part an extract from a record from
: U.S. Social Security Applications and Claims, 1936-2007

It only included the following details:
Name : Sam Weissberger
Type: Claim
Birth: 18th October 1878 Hungary
Claim date: 24th September 1976
Death date: 5th Aug. 1946
Field office address: 11 W42 ST. NYC
Reference no.: 65179247946
Claim type: Death Claim

Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California
Researching families including:
BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/GROSZ. Avas Ujvaros, Hungary/Orasu Nou, Romania
KAHAN/JOSIPOVITS/DUB, Sziget, Kabolacsarda, Nagyvarad, Hungary/Sighet, Ciarda, Oradea, Romania
KOHN/Zbegnyo/ Zbehnov, Tarnoka/Trnavka, Slovakia; Cleveland  LEFKOVITS/Kolbasa/Brezina, Slovakia
MOSKOVITS/Honkocz, Szobranc, Osztro, Kassa, Hungary/Chonkovce, Sobrance, Ostrov, Kosice, Slov., Nyiregyhaza, Hungary
ELOVITS/Hornya, Hungary/Horna, Slovakia
NEUMANN/Szeretva, Kereszt, Nagymihaly, Miskolc, Hung./Sobrance, Kristy, Stretavka, Michalovce, Slov. 
POLACSEK/Hunfalu, Hungary/Huncovce, Slovakia
SPITZ/Nikolsburg/Mikulov, Prosnitz/Prostejov, Moravia/Czech Republic; Kismarton/Eisenstadt, Hungary/Austria; Hunfalu,Hungary//Huncovce, Slovakia

Re: Florence MARMOR burial records of the New York Mokkom Sholom, Bayside and Acacia cemeteries #usa


Thank you very much.  I had no problem loading it with Numbers.  I had to set the Headers, but otherwise it works fine.  

I think I found the missing last child of my great grandparents.  Many thanks

Rich Meyersburg
Laurel, MD

Relationship question #general

Ellen Gottfried

According to their children, Annie WALDHORN and Aron KENIG were sister
and brother. On Annie's marriage record, her parents are listed as
Louis and Pauline. Aron's application for Social Security gives his
parents as Malka and Judah. When Annie died, her death certificate
said her name was Annie KENIG NADLER. How could siblings have parents
with different names?
Thank you for your help. Ellen GOTTFRIED, Plainview, NY

First and second cousins in Jewish sources #names

Yonatan Ben-Ari

This may have been brought up before, but in old Jewish sources
"rishon b'rishon" (first to first) refers to siblings so when its
written "Sheni ' B'sheni" (second to second) would refer to first
cousins rather than second cousins.

Shavua tov

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

A question about age #general

Ellen Gottfried

Annie married Solomon NADLER in London in 1898. Her age was given as
22, his as 23. A few months later they traveled to New York with a 9
year old girl, Mollie, who was listed as their daughter. The 1900 US
census lists Mollie as their daughter. Her marriage record gives her
parents as Annie and Solomon. Her grave has Malka bat Solomon. How
can I reconcile this information?
Thank you for your help. Ellen GOTTFRIED, Plainview, New York

ViewMate translation request - Russian #translation

Alex Guri


I've posted a vital record and a document, both in Russian, for which
I'd appreciate a translation.
They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much,

10881 - 10900 of 656633