Re: Seeking ECHTMAN/ACHTMAN/KAMINSKY #russia #usa

Peggy Dombeck

My first cousin's father was David Echtman, born in Vinnytsya, Russia (now Ukraine) in 1908. He lived in the Bronx, New York and died in 1969. His father was Yisroyl Echtman. His grandfather was Chaim Echtman.

Re: Why would my Grandfather travel under his older brother's name? #names

Eva Lawrence

Emigration passes cost money. If you'd paid for a pass for one family
member, they might well send the pass back to be used again.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.

Re: military notbook #bessarabia

Eva Lawrence

I also have the military record book of my grandfather. In his case it
was for his service as a private in the French army in the 1890s and was
issued by the French government of the time. . I thought that he only
kept it out of nostalgia, but on further consideration, he would have
needed it to obtain a permit to leave France and settle in Germany to
marry my grandmother. She kept his jubilant telegram saying that at
last he was free!
Presumably Adrian Koifman's grandfather had to show his book to the
Russian embassy to prove that he had emigrated legally and get their
suppor. His book, too would be an official document....

I'm sure that any soldier in any country would have an official record
book of his military service. And if military service was obligatory in
his country, he would have to show that he had fulfilled that
obligation, or be subject to a court trial and a fine or prison should
he be caught by the police. ,
One of my mother's great-uncles was in fact on a police list for
avoiding Prussian military service - though he just din't return from
England to stand trial. My paternal grandfather, I believe paid money
to avoid his military obligations. A third ancestor formally
renounced his German citizenship to relieve himself of the obligation. A
great many emigrants avoided military service in one way or another,
which is why such military record books are so rare.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.

Need help with finding a BLUMBERG/MICHELSON family. #usa #lithuania #names #latvia


Hi all. I was wondering if I could get some help on this. In my genealogical research, I found that my 3rd great grandparents were Meyer Blumberg (b. abt 1850) and Liba Devorah Michelson (b. abt 1850), but I don't know where they came from. When I was doing research, I found a website called and on the website under "The Genealogical Quest" website, it mentions that this family came from Grobina, Latvia, and that a Michelsohn family came from here. So, I have a strong incentive to believe that they came from there. The website is ran by a Henry Blumberg, and when I tried to send a message to the email listed on the website, it didn't go through, and the last post on the website was in 2008. However, the website does mention that this Henry Blumberg was once the President of the LatviaSIG group, so I was wondering if I'd be able to get some help here. I'll copy and paste the email I tried to send to him:

"Hi Henry,

My name is Samantha, I’m 19 years old and I’m from Philadelphia, PA, USA. I’m reaching out because I found your genealogical website and I think we may possibly be cousins. Based on genealogical research I have done so far, I’ve found that my 3rd great-grandfather was Meyer Blumberg, born around 1850 somewhere in the Russian Empire, and my 3rd
great grandmother is Libe Devorah “Dora” Michelson, also born around 1850 also in the Russian Empire. The two immigrated to New York City sometime before 1880, and had several children, one of which was my 2nd great grandmother Annie Katz.

According to death records I was able to find, Meyer’s parents were named Raphael Blumberg and Goldie Cohen, and Dora’s parents were named Max and Annie. I was able to find her tombstone and it suggests that Max’s Hebrew name was Jankiel.

You mentioned something on your website about a Michelsohn family also living in the Grobina area with the Blumbergs, which makes me think that we are related.

Let me know what you think!


Re: Seeking descendants of Masya Ginda Rakovschik from Minsk Belarus #belarus


You may wish to contact Jewish Tour  ( an established firm based in Minsk which offers an in-depth genealogical service as well as heritage tours. It might also be worth getting in touch with Hesed - Rachamim (hesed@...), also in Minsk, which may have current members with the family name you are seeking on their register.

Re: Viewmate - US Naturalization Index care - what info on it? #records

Michele Lock

I take it that if I ask for his C file from the Certificate number, then that would include his Petition, correct?

Re: Liffmann, Leiffmann #names


I found 3 Liffmann buried in Holland (Rotterdam, Zwolle & Enschede) on the Stenenarchief. By none of them it mentions that they were levi'im. 

Vital Records for Mariyampil in the Ivano-Frankivsk District from 1857 to 1920 #galicia #records

Sharon Taylor

Thank you Mark,
At one of the JGASGP meetings, the speaker, Joel Spector provided a link to a spreadsheet showing the number of times various surnames appear in the Alex Krovsky scanned documents from the Stanislawow area. I downloaded the spreadsheet and my names of interest appear on it. Are you familiar with this collection? Is there any way to tell if any documents are from Mariyampil?

Sharon Taylor
Philadelphia, PA

Researching NEMETH, INGIER and BLOCH in Mariyampil, Stanislawow, and Knihinin
Researching WIESNER, FLEISIG, and KASTENBAUM in Kulikow and Lemberg

Re: Jewish Religious Personnel in the Russian Empire, 1853-1854 #general #russia

Bernard Aronson

Check the late Christine Usden who started some translations of Jewish personnel in Latvian Russia on google.

Re: Why would my Grandfather travel under his older brother's name? #names

Sally Bruckheimer

It could have been that the brother  or sister bought a ticket, then decided not to go then. But why waste the money for the ticket? I had a cousin, who came to the US bought by the fiance in NYC for his girl friend. But the girl died before the ship sailed.

Same situation, so the family of the girl sold the ticket to the family of my cousin, who was about the right age. My cousin came to the US and kept the ticket stub and all the papers. Her family, and now I, know all the details.

So anybody could use the ticket if it was the right sex and rough age.  Why waste money?

PS, My mother used to take me places when I was in my early 20s and in school, claiming I was 12. I passed. I got carded until I was 35, and the drinking age was 18. Last time, the waiter thought I gave him my mother's ID, but she was dead and hadn't renewed her driver's license.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Birth Record from Kishinev YOSEF Meylman #bessarabia #romania

Yoram Millman


Thank you so much helping me getting me to view the record.
I am still having trouble adjusting the brightness to enable reading but I am sure that will solve the issue.
It is the first time I use the discussion group for my own research and your quick response amazed me.
Be safe


Re: Nograd - Ludany, birth records KLEIN in 1880s #hungary


That's extremely useful, thank you so much Julia!
Best wishes

Friends of Jewish Cemetery Restoration in Eastern Europe Birds-of-a-Feather (BOF) Meeting #announcements #events

Jeff Miller

The Friends of Jewish Cemetery Restoration in Eastern Europe will have a free online meeting on Wednesday, August 12, 11:15 AM - 12:15 PM Eastern Time U.S. (New York), as part of the IAJGS Conference that was planned to be in San Diego but will now be held entirely online. To attend this free meeting, you must first register for the conference at There is an option for "free limited access," which enables you to attend the meeting, other SIG/BOF meetings, and the JewishGen Annual Meeting at no cost (but most conference presentations are not available to free attendees).


The IAJGS has generously allowed us to offer this meeting for free, with the understanding that it will not be a formal presentation, but an informal networking session. The session will not be recorded. Discussion will revolve around your current projects/volunteer opportunities and issues related to Jewish Cemetery Restoration, Memorialization of the Departed, saving cemeteries from destruction, on-going efforts and success stories in Eastern Europe. You do not need to have a webcam or microphone on your computer, there will be a text chat option. You will receive further instructions about how to join the meeting, but general guidelines are you can gain access anytime up to one hour prior to the meeting start time.


Meeting time on Wednesday, August 12: New York 11:15 am -12:15 pm,


If you have any questions, please email me directly.


Jeff Miller


Re: Where did the term Galitziana come from? #general

Daniel Bargman

You mean: 
-Spanish province of Galicia - in fact an authonomous region in Spain.
They speak a language (not a dialect): Gallego, mutually understandable with Castellano (Spanish), no need for a translator unless a foreigner has a partial knowledge of Spanish.
Nothing to do with Jews. Both places, Spanish Galicia and Polish Galitzia were inhabitated by Celtic tribes  in the past, with the root GAL as an  ethnic marker, see also: PortuGAL, Galia (latin for France), Gales (Spanish for Wales), Gaelic/ Irish language and so on.
Daniel Bargman

Baiersdorf Jewish Cemetery Website #germany #announcements

Al Lederer

The documentation of the Baiersdorf Jewish Cemetery has been completed and is now available for public viewing. The over 600 year old burial ground is located in Middle Franconia, Bavaria in the district of Erlangen-Höchstadt. It once served Baiersdorf, Bruck, Büchenbach, Dormitz, Erlangen, Forchheim, Kunreuth, Wiesenthau, and other towns in the district.


The 1,278 gravestones are searchable by the name of the interred and can also be browsed by stone number from 0001 through 1278. The documentation includes German inscriptions, Hebrew inscriptions and their German translations, and photographs of the gravestones.


Appreciation to Baiersdorf Mayor Andreas Galster, City Council, and Press and Cultural Affairs Director Daniela Pietsch for their support of the project; Horst Gemeinhardt, city historian who led the effort; University of Bamberg Professors Suzanne Talabardon and Rainer Drewello and students who mapped the gravestones, photographed them, and recorded their German inscriptions; Detlef Mueller who transcribed and translated the Hebrew inscriptions, and created the database; and to others who contributed financially to the effort.


The documentation is available at

Al Lederer


Re: Cracking a brick wall - Hershkowitz in Bucharest in the early 20th century - #romania

Sherri Bobish


Try searching for a listing in old city directories for Morris Hershkowitz in Bucharest at:

You can limit search location to Bucharest.

I did a soundex search for Hershkowitz, which was not helpful.  But, a soundex search for Herschkowitz found many hits with variant spellings, i.e. Gerskowitz,
Herskovits, and others.


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Re: Burial Society Washington Cemetery - Bnai Menasse or Menasche #usa

Sherri Bobish


You can check if AJHS  has their incorporation papers.

"Incorporation Papers. Collection I-154 consists of selected incorporation papers, 1848-1920. Approximately 10,000 organizations are represented in 81 bound volumes or 27 reels of microfilm."

Many years ago I was able to get copies of my ggf's landsmanshaftn incorporation papers from AJHS.

Also, there was a synagogue in Phiadelphia, B'nai Menashe.
"The name of the synagogue was adopted from the founder of the Mt. Lebanon Cemetery in Collingsdale, Pennsylvania, and the synagogue’s primary benefactor, Menashe Abrams."


Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)

Re: Burial Society Washington Cemetery - Bnai Menasse or Menasche #usa

Moishe Miller

The JGS of NY maintains a webpage that has a lot of information on local societies. See: 
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
JGFF# 3391

Re: Where did the term Galitziana come from? #general

Daniel Bargman

IT's not a coincidence:  both places, spanish Galicia and polish Galitzia were inhabitated by Celtic tribes  in the past, with the root GAL as an  ethnic marker, see also: PortuGAL, Galia (latin for France), Gales (Spanish for Wales), Gaelic/ Irish language and so on

Burial Society Washington Cemetery - Bnai Menasse or Menasche #usa

Alan Reische

I've finally penetrated my g/grandfather's burial information at Washington; he was listed under the Surname 'Lisk'.

Anyway, the very helpful man I spoke to said that both his burial plot and the plot of his son Joseph was administered by B'Nai Menasse or Menasche, which his records show subsequently was absorbed by Nachlas Zwie Linas Hasedke. Are these names familiar to any Genners? What region or shtetl does the original congregation or society relate to? I have run them through the burial society database and Google generally with no results except for the Indian Jews, which does not relate to my search, and a reference to a then- existing (1902) congregation at 89 Ridge Street. My g/grandfather and family originally lived on Ridge Street, so there is a strong tie..

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