Re: Removing initial I from names #names

David Barrett

Lazy speech 'street - slang'   ??

Potok Zloty (currently Zolotyi Potik)- Koch landowners #ukraine

Milton Koch

My father, Moses (Max) Koch was born in Potok Zloty, in 1911.
He left as a young child, but I am aware of several family that remained.
I have just found some house ownership data but the first names are not familiar to me.
They are all KOCH: Efroim, Schneir and Sluwa.
I would like to know if anyone knows who they were and their relatives.
Thank you.
Milton Koch
Bethesda, MD, USA

Re: What happened to uncle Michel ROTMAN ? #poland

Aaron Slotnik

Hi Marilyn,

It's possible that this Michal Rotman who has a Page of Testimony at Yad Vashem is the man you are seeking (  Unfortunately, it doesn't have his parents' names but he was living in Ostrow Mazowiecka which is not far from Zareby Koscielne.  Hopefully this helps.


Re: Hebrew names #translation #hungary


Thank you Rodney, I'll post it to Viewmate too like you suggest, with column headers as it sounds like that really helps! But great to see the German word for fruit seller, old German script is pretty difficult to decipher, very grateful for your help. Best, Emma

Re: Hebrew names #translation #hungary


Thank you! and I will post on ViewMate too as you both suggest, that's very helpful.

Re: greek jews #sephardic

Judith Berlowitz

It is incorrect to say that "the Spanish Inquisition started in March, 1492."  The Spanish branch of the Inquisition was set up in 1478 by the same so-called Catholic Sovereigns who signed the Edict of Expulsion in 1492, following over a century of pogroms promulgated mostly from various pulpits throughout Christian-occupied Spain as a part of the "reconquista". See

Judith Berlowitz
San Francisco

Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

EdrieAnne Broughton

Birth records, especially those attended at home were not as formal as they are not.  Wisconsin had a requirement to register births, but normally a midwife or doctor kept a journal or list of births and when they got enough saved up, they went to the county seat and put them all in at once.  The fault with dates are probably how good a record keeper the attendant was.  Sometimes a family member (mother, grandmother or aunt) attended home births.  My mother was born in her grandmother's bed and the doctor only arrived after the birth.  The parents intended her name to be Emma Lee, daughter of Jess and Annie Edrie.  Imagine Mom's surprise when she was 18 to find out that she was Edrie with no middle name.  Mom's family always called her Emma Lee, Dad and all her friends called her Edrie or Ed.  I got a copy of her birth record that was in her papers and while her birth date was correct, the date the record was recorded was almost a month later.  In the Births ledger almost a dozen babies were registered for the same doctor in the same week.  That's a lot of babies for one doctor performing home births.  Even now that county doesn't have a hospital.
    EdrieAnne Broughton
    Vacaville, California

Re: Divorce and Remarriage in 19th C Poland #poland

Joachim Mugdan

Carolynne Veffer asked:

>  In 19th century Poland could you get a civil divorce? If you were divorced (at least a Jewish get), could you remarry and have a civil second marriage?


Civil marriage and divorce did not exist in Russian Poland (Congress Poland), the region Carolynne had in mind. In Prussia, including Prussian Poland (Posen etc.), only civil marriages were recognized by the state from 1874 on and a religious marriage had to be preceded by a civil one. In the Austrian part of Poland, religious marriage was the norm; civil marriage was permitted only for people who could not have a religious marriage, e.g. if they did not belong to any religious community. In the Polish state that was created after WW I, these differences continued to exist.


Joachim Mugdan

Basel, Switzerland

JGFF Researcher 5749




Joachim Mugdan

Basel, Switzerland

JGFF Researcher 5749


Re: Ballasagyarmat: what census records are there? #hungary


There were a few pages toward the beginning that were very faint, so I may have missed a family or two.

Óbuda is likely to be "fun": it was twice the size of Balassagyarmat. Population circa 1850, according to Fényes Elek, was 10,760, as opposed to 5653 for Bgy -- or more to the point here, 3343 versus 1963 Jewish residents. Fényes Elek indicates that Óbuda was combined with Buda in 1850. (Budapest was created a few decades later.)

(Balassagyarmat or Gyarmat are the usual ways to refer to the town. When I wrote "Balassa-" above, the dash indicated that this was only the first half. Older records often hyphenate it: Balassa-Gyarmat.)

Fényes Elek:

Good luck!

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Re: Research individuals in France #france

Aaron Slotnik

I would like to thank Bernard Flam in particular for his clear and concise summary of research resources in France posted on July 11.  I've been trying to find this information for many years and have been unable to . . . perhaps it has only been placed online relatively recently.
Nonetheless, I've found 2 records for my family in the Gallica resource he mentioned (1.1.1 -;2&lang=EN) but I'm unable to determine what the notation is referencing--if it is a naturalization file reference or one of the other possibilities he mentioned.  How can I determine that in order to take the correct next step?  Their names are Lejzer ZLOTNIK and Yenta-Laja ZLOTNIK (nee ELBAUM).
Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide!
Kind Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL  USA

Re: Hungarian Elementary School Yearbook records #hungary #education

Peter Cherna

I have found some elementary school yearbooks on, in case someone is interested in hunting.

(I was searching by family name, which is viable for unusual family names but hopeless for common ones.) Mostly I found class lists and was able to narrow down birth year for some unknown relatives. I did find one reference with date of birth for my grandfather's brother, whose exact birth was unknown, but given the day/month from this document, and knowing the year within one (from the class the person was in), and guessing at which district of Budapest, I was able to find his birth record, that was not indexed.


Re: French Naturalization #france

Ilya Zeldes

Me too, would like to find out  how to get the decree of naturalization. I have the number and the year of naturalization (1947), but could not figure out how to get it… Any working suggestion is appreciated.



Ilya Zeldes

Fort Myers, FL


Re: Hungarian Elementary School Yearbook records #hungary #education


I received several pages from "Elementary School Yearbooks" for years
1894-98, for grades 1-3. .... [I] don't know where these came from.
Hungaricana ( has some yearbooks, but most of them are on ADT+ (the pay portion of

(School records are fun. My grandfather graduated with a C, his younger brother with a B, and their youngest brother -- who unfortunately passed away a month after graduation -- had straight A's throughout. He also got an award for a novella, which I now want to track down, but the school's website has been hacked....)

Oh, but keep in mind that "grades 1-3" may not be what you think: in an 8-year "middle" school (középiskola), they'd correspond to approximately grades 5 to 7 by U.S. reckoning. Most of the school records I've seen have been for such schools, with some college/university mixed in. Up to fourteen subjects sounds like one of them, not actual elementary (ages 6 to 10ish), which was generally local, coed, with one or two teachers, and did not print up fancy end-of-year reports.

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Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Kathryn Kanarek James

In the Justingrad Yizkor  book, the Wegodner family chapter tells of the brother of Joseph Wegodner changing his surname to Weinberg because he was afraid he would be drafted. My great grandmother, Dora Sader, was born Dvora Wegodner and was a daughter of Joseph Wegodner. I would love to find anything about the Weinberg branch.

Re: Divorce and Remarriage in 19th C Poland #poland

Sally Bruckheimer

"In 19th century Poland could you get a civil divorce? "

Yes, at least in some parts of Poland at some time. I have be extracting birth, marriage, and death records for a long time, and sometimes, for a divorced groom or bride, the divorce is cited with the place and time.  I don't extract that, but it is there.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Kansas City Lithuania Jews #lithuania #usa


While I have deep roots in Kansas City - back to Leavenworth during the Civil War - my earliest ancestors there were not Litvaks.  My Litvak ancestors settled in Chicago and Des Moines.  In Des Moines it is true that many of the early Lithuanian Jews came from the same area of Lithuania, from the area of Kalvarija, Pilviskiai, and Vilkaviskis.  Today this is in southwestern Lithuania, near the Polish border.  I don't know if they were all related, though it's quite possible.  Among the Litvaks in Des Moines were some Ginsbergs, though I have no idea if they had relatives in KC.

Any questions, please let me know.

Ethan Starr
Washington, DC

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Kris Murawski

A syncope of unstressed syllables? Like veg(e)table, cam(e)ra.
Kris Murawski
Raleigh, NC

Re: Residence or school records for jewish refugees in Vienna WWI #austria-czech

Corinna Woehrl

Hello Svetlana,

this is a city directory with all sorts of information on the city and structure of the community. It includes companies and inhabitants and a list of streets. In the second volume (Band 2), you will find the 'normal' city-directory (Adressbuch) and on page 692 and following we find the surname Klinger, but no Juda. I've added a screenshot of the main-page.
Here's the link to Klinger

I would advise to search in further directories (other years). Some directories also have a "Nachtrag" which means, people who just moved to the city were added in a seperate section, but not in the alphabetical order.

Regards Corinna

Meaning and Subtext of "Grundwirth" #names

M.A. Miller

I’m looking for translation help with a similar common word for an
occupation or status which appears in numerous family documents from
Galicia Province in the 19th-century. The word is “Grundwirth,”
sometimes spelled “Grundwirt,” meaning a landlord. I’m interested in
knowing if this word has a specific implication or connotation, like
many old occupation words.

Hauswirt and sometimes Grundbesitzer can also mean “landlord.” Are
these words interchangeable, or does grundwirth have a special

Is the presence of the “h” at the end significant, or is just a minor
spelling variation between Germans and Austrians?

Thank you for any help.

Mike Miller
New York, USA

Researching in Galicia:
Researching in Bessarabia:
Lipkany: WALLACH
Edineti: MEILER

Re: Removing initial I from names #names


Its the same today.  Eric is called Rick or Ricky,  Elizabeth is Liz, Emanuel is Manny

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 7/21/2020 11:01 AM, Jeffrey Cohen via wrote:
Does anyone know why an I (or yod) was sometimes removed from start of names ?
In my family Italienner became Talyena, and Israel became Srul.

Jeffrey Cohen,  jeff59471@...>

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