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Re: Research individuals in France
#france
David Choukroun
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:05 AM, Aaron Slotnik wrote:
ZLOTNIK@ Aaron ZLOTNIK Dear Aaron, I am discussing with Bernard Flam about how to write a description of the next steps -- it will help all of you. In your case, you did the main work : find a reference of the Naturalisation into the Journal Officiel (using Gallica) In real , it depends on the dates : Before 1930, you shall use another reference (Bulletin des lois). So you have now :05 feb 1942 (important to collect) (obviously, the address is important -- as you may search in the Paris Census record to find the family) @27.July 1947 What is next step : you need to go to the French National Archive web site : http://www.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr/ and look at Naturalisation "how to" (not sure there is an Eng. version): the game is to find the reference of the file of naturalisation There is a double index entry process -- I know : this is painful (my view) because there are various paths depending on the period and at the end, you need someone in Paris to book in advance the file and to scan it for you at a special place (and Covid is not helping those days) in your case, 1942 and 1947 are not online (to my knowledge -- I might be wrong and happy to learn from others) (only 1883 to 1930 are) So the method in your case is to ask the French National Archive to find the reference for you... I am sorry this is so complicated Best regards David david.choukroun@...
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patrice.markiewicz@...
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:43 AM, <ewkent@...> wrote:
Dear Patrice Markiewicz (I'm sorry, but I don't know your gender or whether you have a doctorate): Sorry, I did a mistake: 18th area not arena (arrondissement in french).
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Re: Research individuals in France
#france
David Choukroun
@ Nancy and @ Yann
Dear Nancy, dear Yann One you have found the decret number --thanks to the guideline from Bernard Flam -- you can go the French National Archives to deduct the file number to request This is a little bit labyrinthal (we are in France right :) ), but in real this is very effective In your case, here is the next step : 99375 x 28 and you can learn he was soldat at the "French Legion Etrangère" (so they have also a file) as well as a city : Boulogne sur Seine So next steps would be 1/ Search for the 99375x28 File that can be tons of information (pictures, handwriten mail, name of the full family etc...) 2/ Write the French Legion Etrangere (in French sorry) Bureau des anciens de la Légion étrangère COMMANDEMENT DE LA LEGION ETRANGERE Quartier Viénot - B.P. 21 355 13 784 AUBAGNE CEDEX 3/ Look at the Census from Boulogne sur Seine to find a possible family (can be long without the exact address street number etc...) Hope that helps regards David david.choukroun@...
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Re: Research individuals in France
#france
David Choukroun
@ Marilyn Feingold
Dear Marilyn, Without at least the city "outside of Paris" you mentioned for Bessie Schliffer , it will be difficult to search in France The good news is that the French Foreign Legion -- as they keep all the records -- you can write (in French sorry) at Bureau des anciens de la Légion étrangère COMMANDEMENT DE LA LEGION ETRANGERE Quartier Viénot - B.P. 21 355 13 784 AUBAGNE CEDEX FRANCE Obviously the more details you add, the easier it will be for them to search (they need a range of date at least) Please note as well the change of name from Schliffer to Ashton for some (to be confirmed) relatives in UK (see the London Gazette July 1915) FREDERICK WILLIAM JOSEPH ASHTON and DAVID ERNEST ASHTON. Hope that helps Regards David david.choukroun@...
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Re: Oath of Allegiance
#canada
Alan Greenberg
The JGS-Montreal created the index you see on the Library and Archives
Canada web site. The index currently goes to 1946, and we are waiting for
them to post the last five years (Canada stopped publishing such records
in 1951).
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For reasons we have never determined, entries for naturalizations from about 1920 until 1932 give the date of the naturalization certificate OR the date of the oath of allegiance, but not both. We've never understood what the pattern is governing which was published, but in all cases these were actual naturalizations and files are available. Ordering records requires that you be a citizen or resident of Canada. The JGS-Montreal offers a service to order records on behalf of researchers who are not qualified to do so. Write to naturalizations@.... Alan Greenberg Jewish genealogical Society of Montreal
At 2020-07-24 06:56 PM, Jacob Heisler via groups.jewishgen.org wrote: Hi Jeri,
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Sherri Bobish
Rafael, Can you post the names of the people you are seeking? If some of us can look at what you are seeing than perhaps we can be of help to you. Regards, Sherri Bobish Princeton, NJ
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Need help finding several records on badatelna
#austria-czech
Barbara Stein
I have been unable to find several records on badatelna related to the family of my pGGF, Eduard (Edward) STEIN (b. 1839, Siroke Trebcice), and his wife, Wilhelmina (Minna, Mina) ZUCKERMAN(N) (b. 1844, Krasna Lipa). I looked in the small towns surrounding their places of birth, not knowing exactly where the events would have been registered, but I don’t know where to look next. Are there other sources for such records? Background— Eduard’s parents were Moses STEIN (1802-1870) and Elenore (Elenora) BAYER. His paternal grandparents were Simon STEIN (1763-1847) and Rosa MELZER (1764-1846). His maternal grandparents were Pinkas Baroch BAYER from Lichtenstadt (Hroznetin) and Amalia FEIGL from Kirchenberg.
Wilhelmina’s parents were Nephthali ZUCKERMANN (1813-1873) and Johanna KOHN (1816-1884). Nephthali's parents were Moses ZUCKERMANN (b. 1777) and Rosina STRASS (b. 1779). Johanna’s parents were Jakob KOHN and Maria Charlotte PICHL. I have NOT been able to locate— 1) the birth record for my 2nd GGM, Elenore BAYER (b. 1812-1815?), although I found birth records for 7 other children of Pinkas BAYER in Hroznetin
2) Elenore BAYER’s marriage record to Moses STEIN (ca. 1831?) (their first child was b. 1832 in Siroke Trebcice)
3) the familitant record for my 2nd GGF, Nephthali ZUCKERMANN, or his father Moses
1) Eduard was one of 10 siblings (4 boys, 6 girls). The Moses STEIN familitant record lists his oldest brother Moritz (b. 1834) but the 1834 birth record I found is for a son called Abraham. How do I determine if these are the same person? Stein_Moses & Eleanora Baier familitant record: fond2098_HBF158_image3_590306 Stein_Abraham 1834 birth record: fond1073_N2012_image24_95321 Stein_Simon & Rosa Melzer familitant record: fond2098_HBF158_image21_590359
2) Why aren’t Eduard (b. 1839), or his younger brother Philipp (b. 1841), listed on the familitant record? After Moritz, there is a big gap on the page but the next name listed is Salomon (b. 1844).
3) Elenore BAYER was also one of 10 children (4 boys, 6 girls). I have found birth records for 7 of them, born 1821-1832, but not hers. A brother, Samuel, is listed on the familitant record (b. 1811) but I have not found his birth record. What would account for the large number of years between Samuel and these other siblings? I am assuming that Elenore, and her sister Fanny, were born in this gap. There may also be other children I don’t know about? Bayer_Pinkas & Amalia Feigl familitant record: fond2098_HBF101_Ostrov_image46_586176 Bayer_Wolf 1821 birth record: fond1073_N532_image15_88931 Bayer_Bernard 1834 birth record: fond1073_N533_image4_89665
I'm grateful for any help or suggestions!
Barbara Stein Seattle, WA
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Looking for 19thC marriage record in NYC(?)
#usa
#austria-czech
Barbara Stein
I am looking for the marriage record of my pGGP, Eduard (Edward) STEIN (b. 1839, Siroke Trebcice, Bohemia) and Wilhelmina (Minna, Mina) ZUCKERMAN(N) (b. 1844, Krasna Lipa, Bohemia). I believe Minna arrived in NYC on 10 Sep 1866 under her maiden name and that Eduard arrived in NYC on 25 Mar 1867. A daughter Elenore was born 6 Apr 1868 in NYC; she died 17 Jul 1869 in NYC. Edward and Wilhelmina are listed as a married couple with a new son, my pGF, in the 1870 U.S. census for NYC. For these reasons I assume they married in NYC but I have been unable to find a NY or Bohemian marriage record. For NY, I tried "New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940" (I found the record for Minna’s sister Bertha). For Bohemia I used Badatelna. I welcome other suggestions/assistance.
Barbara Stein Seattle, WA
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Re: Oath of Allegiance
#canada
Jacob Heisler
Hi Jeri,
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yes, the Oath of Allegiance was an actual document. You can order it, along with the entire naturalization file, from the Canadian government. There's a website that explains how to order it here: https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/citizenship-naturalization-records/Pages/introduction.aspx Basically, you need to mail a request for the naturalization record (with the name and the record number and series) to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC), along with a check for $5 (Canadian) and proof the person's been dead for at least 20 years. You need the proof of death regardless of when the person was born, and it can include a copy of a death certificate, an obituary, or a picture of a tombstone. You also need to be a Canadian citizen to order the records, but if you aren't one you can try and find someone to order it for you. From my own experience, it can include a significant amount of records with significant amount of information: when/where the person was born, how they immigrated to Canada, addresses, occupation, spouse and children, and other stuff. However, you should be aware they will withhold pages with potentially personal information on other people who could still be alive (even when it's obvious they probably aren't), namely spouses. If possible, I'd recommend including the proof of death for the spouse as well. I hope this was able to help, and good luck! From, Jacob Heisler Norwalk, CT
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:29 PM Teewinot <teewinot13@...> wrote:
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Rafael,
Are you certain that you are looking at the death records for the couple and not their database entries (as parents) in the death record of their child? It is unusual (though not unheard of) for a couple to die on the same date. However, I've never run across a situation where two people were given the same death record number: the pages were usually pre-printed (or stamped) with sequential numbers, so it would require that both deaths to be recorded on same form. Regards, David Oseas
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Re: Help in translating a German document dated 1939
#translation
Sam
I love DeepL -- much better for German than Google Translate
Amnon GRONNER USA Researching GRONNER+SANDLER
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Second Home Cemetery, Greenfield, Wisconsin
#photographs
Eileen Kessner
Anyone out there able to take photos at the Second Home Cemetery, Greenfield, Wisconsin? It would be much appreciated as Find A Grave does not show the reverse of the stones. Message me at e.kessner1@.... Thanks. Eileen Kessner researching Solk/Katsev of Vilkomir and Anyksciai Lithuania, Schmidt/Gudeinsky/Kagan of Preinai and Sesuoliai, August of Wielkie Oczy, Austria
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July 28: Genealogy Coffee Break on NYC orphanage records
#events
#announcements
Moriah Amit
Next Tuesday (7/28) at 3:30 pm ET, tune into the Center for Jewish History's Facebook page for the next episode of Genealogy Coffee Break. Our genealogy librarians will discuss how to find records pertaining to an ancestor's experience living in a NYC orphanage, and answer your questions live. To join the live webinar, click "Follow" on the top of the Center's Facebook page and a notification will pop up on your screen when the webinar goes live. Note: If the notification doesn't appear, you can also find the webinar on our Facebook videos page once it goes live. Catch up on the entire series here.
Moriah Amit Senior Genealogy Librarian at the Center for Jewish History New York, NY
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rharpaz@...
Hi, all. On Ancestry.com, I found a couple I had been seeking on an index to New York, NY death certificates (this shocked me, since I was sure they were martyred in Grodno during the holocaust). The names are unique, and there was a common certificate number for both of them (this also puzzled me), along with birth places, spouse, and child, but no year of death. I tried to order the death certificates from the NYC records department (source of the index for Ancestry.com) but I was unable, because ordering requires a year of death - which was not provided on the index that was itself derived from NYC. I tried getting clues about year of death several ways, looking on NYC genealogy group sites ( www.germangenealogygroup.com ; www.italiangen.org), on find-a-grave, looking for family trees, etc. but no luck. And the Records Dept. can't help without the year, even with the certificate number. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Re: military notebook
#bessarabia
erikagottfried53@...
Adrian, I've been groping for a term to describe your grandfather's document. Would it be accurate to describe it as (or being equivalent to) what's known in the U.S. military as "discharge papers"? That is--was it a document he held while serving in the military or one that was issued to him after his military service ended.
I'm inquiring at some length because it seems like a good source of information and I'd like to be able to search for more of these--but it would make it a whole lot easier to look if I knew what the document is called. -- Erika Gottfried Teaneck, New Jersey
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Re: Deportation from U.S. ports back to Eastern Europe
#general
Ellen
My grandfather went back to Russia around 1925, having emigrated to the U.S. in 1907. Accompanying him was my grandmother, who he had married in 1922, and their infant son. I can only imagine my grandmother's reaction to his decision; she had come to the U.S. only a few years earlier, delayed by WWI. Apparently, my grandfather believed that conditions in Russia had improved after the Revolution. It's possible that one of his brothers, a Bolshevik and government official, had written to him, though we do not have copies of any correspondence between them.
In Russia, my grandmother enjoyed meeting her in-laws, but my grandfather must not have been happy with what he found, and he was not afraid to speak up. Exactly what he said, I don't know. Eventually, a neighbor warned my grandmother that there could be dire consequences if he continued to speak out. Towards the end of 1926, the family boarded a ship in Rotterdam and headed back to New York. Ellen -- Researching WEISSMAN/VAYSMAN (Ostropol, Ukraine); MOROZ and ESTRIN/ESTERKIN (Shklov & Bykhov, Belarus); LESSER/LESZEROVITZ, MAIMAN, and BARNETT/BEINHART/BERNHART (Lithuania/Latvia); and ROSENSWEIG/ROSENZWEIG, KIRSCHEN, and SCHWARTZ (Botosani, Romania)
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Israel and Rebecca Schlaffer
#russia
Marilyn Feingold
My great great grandparents Israel and Rebecca Schlaffer (born about 1826) had the following children: Abraham, Moses Joseph, Samuel, Etta (Tesler) Suri (Malamud) and Dina (Luber).I am trying to find out where Israel and Rebecca were born. I believe some of their children were born in Camenca (Moldova) and one in Kishinev. Any suggestions as to how I can find out where Israel and Rebecca were born and who their parents and siblings were? I do not know Rebecca's maiden name. Thanks for any ideas or researchers you can recommend. Marilyn Feingold
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Re: Tracing persons using Russian Empire census records.
#russia
dtolman@...
I've done so with my own family in Smilovichi, Belarus - so the answer is definitely yes... if you are lucky that they appear in them :)
Daniel Eig
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Re: Number next to my Great Grandfather's name on the ship manifest ?
#general
Susan&David
Loren:
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See: https://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Manifests/ In the Occupation Column - for a full explanation David Rosen Boston, MA
On 7/24/2020 2:31 AM, loren greenberg
wrote:
Hello,
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Post WWII relatives records in Brussels, Belgium - JAKUBOWICZ
#general
aviv_ya@...
Hello,
Where can I search for records from the 1940's and more detail current information regarding relatives who lived or still live in Brussels, Belgium? Thanks, Aviv Yahav
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