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Re: Need help to find LDS film digital record from JGS Ukr database hyperlink #ukraine

Martha Forsyth
 

Beautiful clear description, as  always!  Thanks.

Martha Forsyth
Newton, MA


Re: New Mailing List Format

Peter Straus
 

I would urge my fellow GerSIGgers, or ex-GerSIGgers, to be patient with the JG staff and volunteers as the bugs get worked out of this new system.  After all, we may all have gotten used to not typing umlauts or ß’s, but that hardly made the old system good or convenient, especially for communicating accurate spellings. 

 

That said, one of the useful features of the old system was that the original message was posted underneath a reply, allowing us to reference what a reply was actually referencing.  It would be helpful if this could be replicated in the new system.  Alternatively, an option underneath the message posts might be to pull up all previous messages in a thread.

 

Let’s be patient and make this work for all of us!

 

--peter straus

  San Francisco


Re: This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks

Jill Whitehead
 

Up until 1919 and the WW1 Peace Settlement, and for most of the 19th century, Kalvaria was part of the Suwalki Lomza gubernias in NE Poland. Many people from Kalvaria and the other main towns in Suwalki Lomza emigrated to the UK, Sweden and France between about 1860 and 1880, as they lived close to the Baltic (on the borders with Konigsberg in East Prussia), which made it easier.

All my 8 great grandparents and one great great great grandparent came from the Suwalki Lomza gubernias to Northern England or Scotland, between 1865 and 1875. They also came to escape the outcomes of the Polish uprising against the Tsar in 1863 and the subsequent enforced enlistment of Jewish boys into the Tsar's army for 25 years - two of my great grandfathers came to escape these two factors respectively.

Many of my family members in the first generation married into other Suwalki Lomzers,  and my own family and other branches by marrage had relations in other countries such as the USA, Canada, Mexico, Argentina and Sweden. 

I visited Kalvaria and other Suwalki Lomza towns when I went to the ancestral area in 2000, on both sides of the current Polish/Lithuanian border. Before 1919, Suwalki Lomza also included some towns now in the Grodno area of Belarus, and some that went into East Prussia between the wars, and are now in Kaliningrad.

Jill Whitehead nee Servian, Surrey, England
Formerly on the Editorial Board of the Suwalki Lomza SIG journal Landsmen (now defunct)

Families:

Serwianski from Sejny and Lake Serwy, Servian from Liverpool
Karpowitz from Krasnopol, near Sejny and Liverpool
Ceglarski later Abrahams/Abrams from Suwalki and Manchester
Grymblat later Lewis from Suwalki and Manchester
Brin later Brown from Vishtinetz (Yiddish)/Wiestieniec (Polish)/Vistytis (Lith)/Wistitten (Ger) now in Lithuania, and Edinburgh
Rubenstein or Berenstein  from Vishtinetz (Yiddish)/Wiestieniec (Polish)/Vistytis (Lith)/Wistitten (Ger) now in Lithuania, and Edinburgh
Guttenberg now Graham from Rajgrod in Lomza gubernia and Hull/Grimsby/Sheffield
Plotnowski/Plottnovsky later Jacobs from Raczki in Suwalki gubernia and Hull



Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932 #usa

iwagner@...
 

I just searched The NY Times web site for “weddings,” limiting the search to the 1930s. The results had links to scanned imagines archived at timesmachine/nytimes.com. Some of the venues mentioned were Savoy-Plaza, Biltmore, Colony Club. Bermuda seemed to be a popular honeymoon destination. Reading about the social events was fascinating...certainly a different cultural time and place.


Szmul vs Szlama #names

Sandrine S
 

Dear Jewishgeners, 

I wonder if it is common for a same individual to be named Szlama in his birth record and then Szmul in all other records (marriage + death record). Knowing that in each document the birth date is approximative I cannot be 100% sure it is the same person... Any clue about given name-swapping ?

Regards, 
Sandrine Salson
France


I'd like to know their dates of birth and death and where in what is now Germany they were born #germany

Robert Heuman
 

My Great-Great-Grandparents

Levi Elsoffer ? ?
Bertha Bickhardt ? ?

had a daughter, one of my Great-Grandparents:
Rosalea Elsoffer
1831-1907
born at Schwarzenau, Siegen-Wittgenstein, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany

I am unable to find their dates of birth and/or death or where they were
born or died, although I suspect death was in or around Schwarzenau.

If you have clues or information about these individuals, please email
me offline at torontorsh at gmail.com
TorontoRSH
=======================================================
<torontorsh@...>
Copyright retained. My opinions - no one else's...
If this is illegal where you are, do not read it!
Canada's Fighting Internet & Wireless Spam Act applies.
Retention of this message in violation of Canadian
Privacy Laws will be prosecuted.


Re: Hashtag

Dahn Cukier
 

Thank you for the link, I am adding it here too.

https://blog.hootsuite.com/how-to-use-hashtags/

The article is about various social networks, but not mailing lists..

I am still confused by 2 subjects floating around, but connected.

1) If hastag, do I hashtag both John and Doe, or do I need to write
both John Doe and #Johndoe? Some search engines will not find
JohnDoe as John Doe, others will not find JohnDoe
if it is written #JohnDoe - depending on the setups.

2) Which country do I use in Subject. What if I do not know which country a location was
a part of. Yugoslavia or Serbia?
To use today's geography, I will use my own location. Am I living
in Israel, Palestine, West Bank (or WestBank), or Jordan? Do I need to know
which year Jordan gave up the annexed West Bank and the same area
became either Yehuda or maybe Samaria? Do people know where the
border between Yehuda and Samaria is located?

The signature is from an episode of Gunsmoke that I found relevant
to genealogy where I have found mistakes not only in indexing, but
various dates and name spellings on original official documents.

Dahn Cukier
Brieff, Brif, Cukier, Zucker, Sukar (and other names for sugar),
Lisobetzki, Lesabici, Sklavir, Schlwir, etc.

When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)


On Saturday, March 21, 2020, 02:39:02 AM GMT+2, Marvin Lauwasser via Groups.Jewishgen.Org <vin17246=aol.com@...> wrote:


I'm a 74 year old with 3 decades of PC usage but never fully got into the social media thing (maybe a toe but not both feet).  I too don't know how best to deploy a hashtag.  It's seems quite searchable and I found this site on the general usage.
https://blog.hootsuite.com/how-to-use-hashtags/
I wonder though if usage on the JewishGen Discussion Group has specific idiosyncrasies. 
I'm a novice in posting items so I'm not sure if this is going only to Shelley or the entire world of JG.
If the latter, maybe some experienced hashtagger could OK the searched article and indicate how it'd work here.

thanks
Marvin Lauwasser
Milwaukee
LAUWASSER, WICHINSKY, AARON, COHN,ABRAMOWITZ, rEJOWIEC, SOKOLY


Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932 #usa

donlondon1@...
 

The Waldorf


Re: Can I assume ROSENBLUMs buried in Brisker cemetery section came from Brest?

Renee Steinig
 

Hi Judy,

I saw on your tree on Ancestry that Jacob died in Nov. 1944. Indeed, that date falls within one of the periods for which New Jersey deaths are not indexed on Ancestry and FamilySearch, but the death record should be available. If you happen to live within range of Trenton, NJ, the best way to get it is to visit the NJ State Archives (https://libguides.njstatelib.org/genealogynjsl/njsa) -- once it reopens, that is; or find someone to search there for you. (The Archives doesn't respond to mail requests for that time period.) Alternatively, you should be able to order the record from the NJ Dept. of Health (https://www.state.nj.us/health/vital/order-vital/genealogical-records/). 

As Karen Schneider mentioned, a photograph of Jacob's grave might also be helpful. It may show Jacob's father's name, as part of his Hebrew name. It could also be interesting to know the Jewish name of your grandmother's brothers. Perhaps one was named for Jacob's father. (Per Annie Pistchal's death record on FamilySearch, her father was something like Churna. If Annie was indeed Jacob's sister, perhaps his son Charles was named for "Churna.")  Annie P.'s grave at Mount Judah Cemetery is pictured on JewishData; unfortunately, it has no Hebrew inscriptions.

As for the society on whose grounds Jacob and Anna are buried... It's the Brisker Unterstuetzungs Verein. A list of that landsmanshaft's members -- including your great-grandparents! -- is at https://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/lists/brisker_verein.htm . The society was formed by immigrants from what's now Brest, Belarus: https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1941830 .

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...

Judy Kaufman <judykaufman7@...> wrote:

I am having a terrible time finding out where my great grandparents Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman come from.  Their names are just too common - I find multiple people with those names and around their birth dates on ship logs, in JewishGen data bases, etc.  And in censuses, marriage certificates, etc. they just say they're from "Russia." 

According to findagrave, they are both buried in the "Brisker plot" of Mount Zion Cemetery in Maspeth, Queens.  (I know that Brisker is another name for the town of Brest, now in Belarus.)  Does this mean that at least one of them comes from the Brest area?

For those interested, some more details about my quest:

Jacob's sister is Annie Rosenblum (living with him in 1900 census) and she is equally difficult to track - I have found an Anna Rosenbloom of the right age married to a man Israel Pistchalsky/Pistchalsk/Pistchal from Kubrin, which is about 29 miles from Brest...  And her mother's given name on her death certificate is the given name (Jennie) of my grandmother (Annie's niece) so I'm tempted to declare that she is the right Anna Rosenblum, sister of Jacob, and that would be another connection to the Brest area, but I would like more evidence.

I can't find a marriage certificate for Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman, and he died in NJ during the period when NJ death certificates are not available so I can't get his parents' names.

Anna Friedman's parents from her death certificate are Solomon Friedman and Sarah Cohen - again, way too common to help much with research...


Re: Can I assume ROSENBLUMs buried in Brisker cemetery section came from Brest?

Karen <kgschneider@...>
 

Judy, I don't know if having a photograph of the headstones would assist, but I see Mount Zion offers to take pictures if you send or call them with the location of the graves. Findagrave does not have the locations, but the cemetery's own website did provide them. And perhaps the cemetery might also be able to answer your question about what "Brisker" is referring to. You did not give the dates that Jacob and Anna died, but I assume these are the correct locations because they are the only ones in the Brisker section that you mentioned. 
Rosenblum, Jacob (Buried 12/1/1944) Location: 14R-7-60-627
Rosenblum, Anna (Buried 4/12/1938) Location:14R-7-22-627
You'll see you can pull these up  from the Mount Zion database search function: http://www.mountzioncemetery.com/search.asp?type=interment

And then Mt. Zion's write-up in the Findagrave cemetery contains directions for requesting the photographs through the cemetery. Of course, you can also request photographs through Findagrave, but I do not know how long that would take for such a large cemetery: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/65385/mount-zion-cemetery 

Good luck,
Karen Gregar Schneider

Researching:
Gregar/Groger - Horepnik, Czechia and Amsterdam, New York
Popper - Amsterdam, New York


Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932 #usa

Sherri Bobish
 
Edited

Hi David,

I suggest looking at the social pages of The NY Times for that time period.  If the bride and/or groom were well-to-do than there was often a detailed write-up which might include venue, names of guests, and descriptions of what the bride wore.

Regards,   Sherri Bobish, Princeton, NJ


Re: Hashtag

Marvin Lauwasser
 

I'm a 74 year old with 3 decades of PC usage but never fully got into the social media thing (maybe a toe but not both feet).  I too don't know how best to deploy a hashtag.  It's seems quite searchable and I found this site on the general usage.
https://blog.hootsuite.com/how-to-use-hashtags/
I wonder though if usage on the JewishGen Discussion Group has specific idiosyncrasies. 
I'm a novice in posting items so I'm not sure if this is going only to Shelley or the entire world of JG.
If the latter, maybe some experienced hashtagger could OK the searched article and indicate how it'd work here.

thanks
Marvin Lauwasser
Milwaukee
LAUWASSER, WICHINSKY, AARON, COHN,ABRAMOWITZ, rEJOWIEC, SOKOLY


Re: New Mailing List Format

The Becker's Email
 

I agree.  I don’t know what a hashtag is or how to use and why this appears to be necessary. 

 

Johanna Becker.

Newport, RI

 


Re: Carol Skydell z"l #JewishGenUpdates

S&D Hirschhorn <sdh2381@...>
 

Because of a new computer I have missed several days of mail from JewishGen.  I was so sorry to learn of the loss of Carol Skydell.  My husband Don and I spent many good hours with Carol working on various things to do with JewishGen way back.  She was a lovely woman and very important to JewishGen at the beginning.

 

Sandy Hirschhorn

Sdh2381@...

Monroe Twp., NJ


Seeking help from a resident of Fremont, California #usa

Beverley Davis
 

Trying to locate informaton about the death of my 90-year-old cousin Herbert Norman NAGEL who lived in Fremont, California. He died between September 2019 and March 2020. I would be very grateful for information (?newspaper obituary, ?other source) from anyone who lives in Fremont. I have contacted a couple of local cemeteries but they could not find any record. Please send any messages to me privately, and not to the group.

Beverley Davis in Melbourne, Australia
beverleydavis@netspace.net.au


Re: New Mailing List Format - How to find and identify GerSIG messages Hashtags ( # ) are not complicated #germany

JewishGen German Research Division Coordinator
 

Please add #Germany to the subject of your Email to this list when your message is about German families or of probable interest to German Jewish researchers.


Thanks,

John Paul Lowens - GerSIGmod


Re: Carol Skydell z"l #JewishGenUpdates

Diane Jacobs
 

I didn't know Carol Skydell very well but visited her at her home in California many years ago when I discovered that she was related to my husband's first cousin's husband through the Wagner- Feldherr family.

Diane Jacobs 
Somerset Nj

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Hank Mishkoff <Hank@...>
Date: 3/19/20 10:59 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Carol Skydell z"l #jewishgen #jewishgennews #moderators

Oh my, Carol was the first person with whom I worked closely when I started doing volunteer work for JewishGen all those decades ago. According to my archives, my first email from Carol was in June of 1999, when she asked me to develop something that now seems to be called the Wall of Honor -- which, I notice, dates back to September 1999. She was ALWAYS an absolute pleasure to work with, and she was always the first person to whom I'd turn to grouse about problems I might be having dealing with other people. She was unrelentingly cheerful, professional, and helpful. I haven't exchanged notes with her for some time, but now that she's gone I miss her just the same.
--
Diane Jacobs


Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932 #usa

Diane Jacobs
 

Best place to check is Proquest database thru your library. Search all the big US newspapers.

Diane jacobs



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: David Laskin <laskin.david@...>
Date: 3/20/20 10:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932

I writing a Jewish-themed novel and one of the families depicted in
the book are extremely wealthy German-Jewish bankers living in NYC in
the first decades of the last century -- think the families Stephen
Birmingham wrote about in "Our Crowd" -- Loeb, Lehman, Guggenheim,
etc. The daughter of this family has a big splashy wedding in 1932 --
after the crash (that crash). Where would the wedding likely take
place -- I'm thinking big hotel, but if so which? Or would a private
town house or estate be more likely? Thanks and safe healthy!

David Laskin, Seattle, WA
--
Diane Jacobs


Can I assume ROSENBLUMs buried in Brisker cemetery section came from Brest?

Judy Kaufman
 

I am having a terrible time finding out where my great grandparents Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman come from.  Their names are just too common - I find multiple people with those names and around their birth dates on ship logs, in JewishGen data bases, etc.  And in censuses, marriage certificates, etc. they just say they're from "Russia." 

According to findagrave, they are both buried in the "Brisker plot" of Mount Zion Cemetery in Maspeth, Queens.  (I know that Brisker is another name for the town of Brest, now in Belarus.)  Does this mean that at least one of them comes from the Brest area?

For those interested, some more details about my quest:

Jacob's sister is Annie Rosenblum (living with him in 1900 census) and she is equally difficult to track - I have found an Anna Rosenbloom of the right age married to a man Israel Pistchalsky/Pistchalsk/Pistchal from Kubrin, which is about 29 miles from Brest...  And her mother's given name on her death certificate is the given name (Jennie) of my grandmother (Annie's niece) so I'm tempted to declare that she is the right Anna Rosenblum, sister of Jacob, and that would be another connection to the Brest area, but I would like more evidence.

 I can't find a marriage certificate for Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman, and he died in NJ during the period when NJ death certificates are not available so I can't get his parents' names.

Anna Friedman's parents from her death certificate are Solomon Friedman and Sarah Cohen - again, way too common to help much with research...

Judy Kaufman

ROSENBLUM
FRIEDMAN
COHEN
LEIDERMAN (Khashchuvatye)
KONIPOL (Khaschuvatye)
WEINSTEIN (Sokolow-Malopolski)
RINENHEIM (Sokolow-Malopolski)
RASKIN (Chernigor)
SCHIMAYATZSKY(Chernigor)


Re: Need help to find LDS film digital record from JGS Ukr database hyperlink #ukraine

Alan Shuchat
 

Susana and anyone else who would like to know how to do this kind of search:

On JewishGen, the film/item number is given as 2423962/7. Clicking on the link 2423962 opens a page with 977 images,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9L-BSLK-C

It is divided into items, separated by black squares. Scroll through until you find the black square that begins item 7. It's image 796. It says in Russian that it's for the city of Nikolaev (Г. Николаев), in Nikolaev Oblast (district, Область), for the year 1895. It also gives the numbers 1484/1/1480 that identify the record book in the archive. 

Next, F266 means female birth #266 in item 7. The columns at the left of the record pages are labeled Мужскаго for males and Женскаго for females. So you need to scroll through the images in item 7 until you find 266 in the Женскаго column. This record is included in image 921 and it is on page 62 of the record book. The direct link to the page is
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9L-BSPX-Q?i=920

The record is in Russian and Hebrew, since the Jewish records were created at the crown rabbinate in Nikolaev. It's interesting that in Russian the newborn is named Sosya (Сося) but in Hebrew she is Sosa (סאסא).  

Incidentally, 2423962 is the number of the microfilm, but when you open the image file it says film # 007807321. This is the number for the digital image (DGS) of the physical microfilm. The catalog at FamilySearch.org lists both numbers.

Alan Shuchat

Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Pogrebishche)

VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)

ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)

KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)