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Re: Accuracy of dates in public records & sources #germany

John Paul Lowens <jplowens@...>
 

Lin Herz asked:
I have not used family search much, but the date of my great-great
grandparents' marriage is different there than on this document.
Were the records kept scrupulously?
It's not unusual to find date conflicts. Especially in older records,
the differences could have been caused by differences between the
Jewish and civil calendars.

Researchers not fully fluent in old German handwriting and record
format may have entered and passed on the ** reported date ** instead
of the event date (actual date of the birth, marriage or death0.
Differences of a few days' time are often caused by one of these
factors or both.

Problems arise when the misinterpreted birth, marriage and death dates
are entered in popular family tree media like Geni.com and >from there
passed on and on.

JewishGen gives us free calendar convertor tools at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josdates.htm and
http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josfest.htm

In diaries and records kept by the family, life events were often entered as
(for example) the 4th day of Pesach in year (Jewish calendar) xxxx.

When my great grandmother, Zerline MOSES Loewenstein died circa 1902,
none of her surviving children knew her correct birthdate. A family
source used the holy day plus X method to describe her birthdate. I
have a letter >from my grandfather to the mayor of Beerfelden asking
for the correct birthdate. The reply came within 2 days and the
correct date was then reported to the Standesamt in Wallau where the
woman died. That letter and the official reply may still be visible
at ViewMate.

As always, our list archives offer insight into this basic question.

John Paul Lowens - Suburban NYC JPL25@cornell.edu


German SIG #Germany Re: Accuracy of dates in public records & sources #germany

John Paul Lowens <jplowens@...>
 

Lin Herz asked:
I have not used family search much, but the date of my great-great
grandparents' marriage is different there than on this document.
Were the records kept scrupulously?
It's not unusual to find date conflicts. Especially in older records,
the differences could have been caused by differences between the
Jewish and civil calendars.

Researchers not fully fluent in old German handwriting and record
format may have entered and passed on the ** reported date ** instead
of the event date (actual date of the birth, marriage or death0.
Differences of a few days' time are often caused by one of these
factors or both.

Problems arise when the misinterpreted birth, marriage and death dates
are entered in popular family tree media like Geni.com and >from there
passed on and on.

JewishGen gives us free calendar convertor tools at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josdates.htm and
http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josfest.htm

In diaries and records kept by the family, life events were often entered as
(for example) the 4th day of Pesach in year (Jewish calendar) xxxx.

When my great grandmother, Zerline MOSES Loewenstein died circa 1902,
none of her surviving children knew her correct birthdate. A family
source used the holy day plus X method to describe her birthdate. I
have a letter >from my grandfather to the mayor of Beerfelden asking
for the correct birthdate. The reply came within 2 days and the
correct date was then reported to the Standesamt in Wallau where the
woman died. That letter and the official reply may still be visible
at ViewMate.

As always, our list archives offer insight into this basic question.

John Paul Lowens - Suburban NYC JPL25@cornell.edu


Help Grow JOWBR - Next Update #galicia

Nolan Altman
 

The next update to JewishGen's JOWBR Database (JewishGen's Online
Worldwide Burial Registry) (http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/)
will be at year-end and will include all submissions made through
November 30. Per JOWBR's requirements, submissions should include
complete cemeteries or cemetery sections, not individual family burial
information.

JOWBR currently contains over 2 million Jewish burial records >from 81
countries. The database grows through the efforts of our donors; Jewish
Genealogical Societies, individuals, historical societies, cemetery
administrators, synagogues and Chevra Kadishas. If you are aware of
cemetery records that are not currently in our database, we would
appreciate if you could help us obtain them and help grow the database.

If you're interested in making a submission, please see "Submitting Data to
JOWBR" at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/Submit.htm . If
you prefer, you can also watch our online screencasts that show you how
JOWBR works and will also walk you through the completion of the
standard templates, at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/Screencasts/

If you have any questions, please contact me at NAltman@JewishGen.org .

Thank you in advance for your help!

Nolan Altman
JOWBR Coordinator


Memorial Plaque Project Update #yiddish

bounce-2691899-772983@...
 

The next update to JewishGen's Memorial Plaque Project
(http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Memorial/) will be at year-end and will
include all submissions made through November 30.

The Memorial Plaque Project database currently contains close to 30,000
records >from 46 synagogues/organizations in 3 countries. The database grows
through the efforts of our donors; Jewish Genealogical Societies,
individuals, Jewish day schools, and synagogues. If you are aware of Yizkor
lists or memorial plaques that are not currently in our database, we would
appreciate if you could help us obtain them and help grow the database.

If you're interested in making a submission, please see "Submitting Data to
the JewishGen Memorial Plaque Database" at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Memorial/Submit.htm

If you have any questions, please contact me at NAltman@JewishGen.org

Thank you in advance for your help!

Nolan Altman
Memorial Plaque Project Coordinator


Help Grow JOWBR - Next Update #yiddish

bounce-2691900-772983@...
 

The next update to JewishGen's JOWBR Database (JewishGen's Online Worldwide
Burial Registry) (http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/) will be at
year-end and will include all submissions made through November 30. Per
JOWBR's requirements, submissions should include complete cemeteries or
cemetery sections, not individual family burial information.

JOWBR currently contains over 2 million Jewish burial records >from 81
countries. The database grows through the efforts of our donors; Jewish
Genealogical Societies, individuals, historical societies, cemetery
administrators, synagogues and Chevra Kadishas. If you are aware of cemetery
records that are not currently in our database, we would appreciate if you
could help us obtain them and help grow the database.

If you're interested in making a submission, please see "Submitting Data to
JOWBR" at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/Submit.htm If you
prefer, you can also watch our online screencasts that show you how JOWBR
works and will also walk you through the completion of the standard
templates, at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/Screencasts/

If you have any questions, please contact me at NAltman@JewishGen.org

Thank you in advance for your help!

Nolan Altman
JOWBR Coordinator


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Help Grow JOWBR - Next Update #galicia

Nolan Altman
 

The next update to JewishGen's JOWBR Database (JewishGen's Online
Worldwide Burial Registry) (http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/)
will be at year-end and will include all submissions made through
November 30. Per JOWBR's requirements, submissions should include
complete cemeteries or cemetery sections, not individual family burial
information.

JOWBR currently contains over 2 million Jewish burial records >from 81
countries. The database grows through the efforts of our donors; Jewish
Genealogical Societies, individuals, historical societies, cemetery
administrators, synagogues and Chevra Kadishas. If you are aware of
cemetery records that are not currently in our database, we would
appreciate if you could help us obtain them and help grow the database.

If you're interested in making a submission, please see "Submitting Data to
JOWBR" at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/Submit.htm . If
you prefer, you can also watch our online screencasts that show you how
JOWBR works and will also walk you through the completion of the
standard templates, at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/Screencasts/

If you have any questions, please contact me at NAltman@JewishGen.org .

Thank you in advance for your help!

Nolan Altman
JOWBR Coordinator


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Memorial Plaque Project Update #yiddish

bounce-2691899-772983@...
 

The next update to JewishGen's Memorial Plaque Project
(http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Memorial/) will be at year-end and will
include all submissions made through November 30.

The Memorial Plaque Project database currently contains close to 30,000
records >from 46 synagogues/organizations in 3 countries. The database grows
through the efforts of our donors; Jewish Genealogical Societies,
individuals, Jewish day schools, and synagogues. If you are aware of Yizkor
lists or memorial plaques that are not currently in our database, we would
appreciate if you could help us obtain them and help grow the database.

If you're interested in making a submission, please see "Submitting Data to
the JewishGen Memorial Plaque Database" at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Memorial/Submit.htm

If you have any questions, please contact me at NAltman@JewishGen.org

Thank you in advance for your help!

Nolan Altman
Memorial Plaque Project Coordinator


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Help Grow JOWBR - Next Update #yiddish

bounce-2691900-772983@...
 

The next update to JewishGen's JOWBR Database (JewishGen's Online Worldwide
Burial Registry) (http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/) will be at
year-end and will include all submissions made through November 30. Per
JOWBR's requirements, submissions should include complete cemeteries or
cemetery sections, not individual family burial information.

JOWBR currently contains over 2 million Jewish burial records >from 81
countries. The database grows through the efforts of our donors; Jewish
Genealogical Societies, individuals, historical societies, cemetery
administrators, synagogues and Chevra Kadishas. If you are aware of cemetery
records that are not currently in our database, we would appreciate if you
could help us obtain them and help grow the database.

If you're interested in making a submission, please see "Submitting Data to
JOWBR" at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/Submit.htm If you
prefer, you can also watch our online screencasts that show you how JOWBR
works and will also walk you through the completion of the standard
templates, at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/Screencasts/

If you have any questions, please contact me at NAltman@JewishGen.org

Thank you in advance for your help!

Nolan Altman
JOWBR Coordinator


Memorial Plaque Project Update #galicia

Nolan Altman
 

The next update to JewishGen's Memorial Plaque Project
(http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Memorial/) will be at year-end
and will include all submissions made through November 30.

The Memorial Plaque Project database currently contains close to 30,000
records >from 46 synagogues/organizations in 3 countries. The database
grows through the efforts of our donors; Jewish Genealogical Societies,
individuals, Jewish day schools, and synagogues. If you are aware of
Yizkor lists or memorial plaques that are not currently in our database,
we would appreciate if you could help us obtain them and help grow the
database.

If you're interested in making a submission, please see "Submitting Data
to the JewishGen Memorial Plaque Database" at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Memorial/Submit.htm

If you have any questions, please contact me at NAltman@JewishGen.org

Thank you in advance for your help!

Nolan Altman
Memorial Plaque Project Coordinator


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Memorial Plaque Project Update #galicia

Nolan Altman
 

The next update to JewishGen's Memorial Plaque Project
(http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Memorial/) will be at year-end
and will include all submissions made through November 30.

The Memorial Plaque Project database currently contains close to 30,000
records >from 46 synagogues/organizations in 3 countries. The database
grows through the efforts of our donors; Jewish Genealogical Societies,
individuals, Jewish day schools, and synagogues. If you are aware of
Yizkor lists or memorial plaques that are not currently in our database,
we would appreciate if you could help us obtain them and help grow the
database.

If you're interested in making a submission, please see "Submitting Data
to the JewishGen Memorial Plaque Database" at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Memorial/Submit.htm

If you have any questions, please contact me at NAltman@JewishGen.org

Thank you in advance for your help!

Nolan Altman
Memorial Plaque Project Coordinator


Goldberg and Feuerstein/Fiererstein connection #galicia

Ar Brown <arbrown2@...>
 

Genners,

I believe there is a connection between the Feuerstein (Fiererstein)
and Goldenberg families. The List or Manifest of Alien Passengers US
Immigration Officer arrival documents show that Boruch and Selig
Goldenberg and Taube Feuerstein, Chaji Floch, Gude Floch, and
Mariam Floch traveled on the Nieuw Amsterdam >from Rotterdam to
New York on June 1, 1909.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Arlynne Brown


ViewMate translation request - from Yiddish to English #galicia

Elaine Slavens <eslavens@...>
 

I've posted an old postcard message in Yiddish for which I need a
direct translation.

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM29813

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

I would really appreciate anyone's help on this message.

Thank you very much.

Elaine Slavens


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Goldberg and Feuerstein/Fiererstein connection #galicia

Ar Brown <arbrown2@...>
 

Genners,

I believe there is a connection between the Feuerstein (Fiererstein)
and Goldenberg families. The List or Manifest of Alien Passengers US
Immigration Officer arrival documents show that Boruch and Selig
Goldenberg and Taube Feuerstein, Chaji Floch, Gude Floch, and
Mariam Floch traveled on the Nieuw Amsterdam >from Rotterdam to
New York on June 1, 1909.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Arlynne Brown


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ViewMate translation request - from Yiddish to English #galicia

Elaine Slavens <eslavens@...>
 

I've posted an old postcard message in Yiddish for which I need a
direct translation.

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM29813

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

I would really appreciate anyone's help on this message.

Thank you very much.

Elaine Slavens


looking for information about the LACHER & PFEFFER families of Kosowa #galicia

Alicen Eatroff <a.eatroff@...>
 

I've been having difficulty locating information on this branch of my
family prior to their immigration to America, as well as information
about family members who did not leave Galicia.

My great-grandparents, Josef and Esther LACHER came to the US with
their daughter Rose in fall of 1920 and were followed a few months
later by their son (my grandfather) Julius Aaron. The middle child,
Jeanette, died in in infancy before WWI. The family lived in Kosowa
(formerly Austria, then Poland, now Ukraine). Julius spent a short
time in Vienna living with a cousin (Moses?) prior to joining his
parents and sister in Brooklyn, NY.

To my knowledge, Josef had three brothers (Jacob, Abraham and
Israel) and one sister (Chaia). I believe they may have actually been
born in Lviv (Lemberg) and some of the brothers remained in that
area. His parents were Leo LACHER (a miller) and Fannie STEINBERG.
He had an uncle Lazer STEINBERG. Josef passed away in 1959 and was
interred in the Kosover section of Mt. Hebron Cemetery in Queens.

Josef married Esther PFEFFER, the daughter of Mordechai PFEFFER (a
grain dealer) and Yenta LEIBLING, in the 1890s. Esther had two sisters,
Tema and Gittle, and a number of brothers. I do not know the names
of any of the brothers and they died young. She had at least 2
maternal aunts, Malca and Chana. Esther passed away after a long
illness in 1942 and we no longer know where she was interred.

Julius said he was born in 1901 and attended a local gymnasium until
he was drafted into the Austro-Hungarian army around 1916, making
him only 15 at the time. Rose was about 8 years younger, and I
suspect they may have been a bit older than they claimed. Cousins
Moses and Lea LACHER also immigrated in 1921. They settled in
Texas and started a leather goods company. I don't know their exact
relationship.

I have sifted through a number of online resources and have been
unable to link my LACHERs with any of the records for LACHER I've
found. I've also been unable to determine where Esther is buried and
my mother is very anxious to know where her Baba is. If anyone has
any connection to these LACHERs or knows how I would be able to
track down WWII-era burial records, I'd appreciate any information.

Thank you!

Alicen Eatroff

researching LACHER & PFEFFER (Kosowa & Lviv), WENZELBERG &
ROSENWASSER (Nowy Sacz), EATROFF/ITROF & SECUNDA (Daugavpils),
LEIBOVICI & FELLER (Botosani)


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia looking for information about the LACHER & PFEFFER families of Kosowa #galicia

Alicen Eatroff <a.eatroff@...>
 

I've been having difficulty locating information on this branch of my
family prior to their immigration to America, as well as information
about family members who did not leave Galicia.

My great-grandparents, Josef and Esther LACHER came to the US with
their daughter Rose in fall of 1920 and were followed a few months
later by their son (my grandfather) Julius Aaron. The middle child,
Jeanette, died in in infancy before WWI. The family lived in Kosowa
(formerly Austria, then Poland, now Ukraine). Julius spent a short
time in Vienna living with a cousin (Moses?) prior to joining his
parents and sister in Brooklyn, NY.

To my knowledge, Josef had three brothers (Jacob, Abraham and
Israel) and one sister (Chaia). I believe they may have actually been
born in Lviv (Lemberg) and some of the brothers remained in that
area. His parents were Leo LACHER (a miller) and Fannie STEINBERG.
He had an uncle Lazer STEINBERG. Josef passed away in 1959 and was
interred in the Kosover section of Mt. Hebron Cemetery in Queens.

Josef married Esther PFEFFER, the daughter of Mordechai PFEFFER (a
grain dealer) and Yenta LEIBLING, in the 1890s. Esther had two sisters,
Tema and Gittle, and a number of brothers. I do not know the names
of any of the brothers and they died young. She had at least 2
maternal aunts, Malca and Chana. Esther passed away after a long
illness in 1942 and we no longer know where she was interred.

Julius said he was born in 1901 and attended a local gymnasium until
he was drafted into the Austro-Hungarian army around 1916, making
him only 15 at the time. Rose was about 8 years younger, and I
suspect they may have been a bit older than they claimed. Cousins
Moses and Lea LACHER also immigrated in 1921. They settled in
Texas and started a leather goods company. I don't know their exact
relationship.

I have sifted through a number of online resources and have been
unable to link my LACHERs with any of the records for LACHER I've
found. I've also been unable to determine where Esther is buried and
my mother is very anxious to know where her Baba is. If anyone has
any connection to these LACHERs or knows how I would be able to
track down WWII-era burial records, I'd appreciate any information.

Thank you!

Alicen Eatroff

researching LACHER & PFEFFER (Kosowa & Lviv), WENZELBERG &
ROSENWASSER (Nowy Sacz), EATROFF/ITROF & SECUNDA (Daugavpils),
LEIBOVICI & FELLER (Botosani)


mbeer@...
 

Dear people,
I can`t forget the young girl Alice GUTTMANNOVA >from Tabor who was my
neighbor in the bunk in the girl`s "home" L 410 in Theresienstadt.
We lived almost a year in very near proximity - the bunks were 70 cm wide.
Alices` and my father were not alive anymore.
In September 1943 Alice and her mother were sent to Auschwitz; after six
months the "September transport" was sent into the gas chambers.
Maud Beer nee Stecklmacher.


update GenTeam #austria-czech

Traude Triebel
 

Dear All

180 000 additional records are available!
because of the new Personenstandsgesetz (law of registry for BMD) in
Austria, GenTeam makes the index of all marriages and deaths available for
1826-1938, births 1826-1913
www.GenTeam.at

you have to be registered, free of charge

good luck
Traude

Traude Triebel

A-2700 Wr.Neustadt


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Tabor #austria-czech

mbeer@...
 

Dear people,
I can`t forget the young girl Alice GUTTMANNOVA >from Tabor who was my
neighbor in the bunk in the girl`s "home" L 410 in Theresienstadt.
We lived almost a year in very near proximity - the bunks were 70 cm wide.
Alices` and my father were not alive anymore.
In September 1943 Alice and her mother were sent to Auschwitz; after six
months the "September transport" was sent into the gas chambers.
Maud Beer nee Stecklmacher.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech update GenTeam #austria-czech

Traude Triebel
 

Dear All

180 000 additional records are available!
because of the new Personenstandsgesetz (law of registry for BMD) in
Austria, GenTeam makes the index of all marriages and deaths available for
1826-1938, births 1826-1913
www.GenTeam.at

you have to be registered, free of charge

good luck
Traude

Traude Triebel

A-2700 Wr.Neustadt

124981 - 125000 of 658586