Re: Given Name Discrepancies


first of all, you haven't provided the time or place, and that can make a large difference. also, keep in mind that there's no rule that secular names and jewish names must correspond. that might have been the case in poland, where jews used their jewish names and adapted them for secular purposes, or in america, where they seemed to try to use the same first letter. but in hungary, for instance, they often had quite different secular and jewish names, partly because names like attila and zoltan became popular, but even for perfectly good biblical names, just because.

....... tom klein, toronto

ps. my guesses for yukel are: either a misreading of yudel, a variant of yankel, or a diminutive of yekutiel.

On the death cert of a gg Uncle of mine, his father's last name is listed as Max, and indeed, the name of his youngest son was Max. On his gravestone, however, his father's name was listed as Yehoshua. I've never heard of "Max" being a substitute for "Yehoshua" (and the Given Names database seems to be down now.) Has anyone seen something like this before? Also, one of his brothers -- whose gravestone also says his father's name was Yehoshua -- lists his father's name as "Jacob." Since I'm tentatively linking both brothers to an ancestor from Shargorod named "Yukel," this might make sense. I'm assuming "Yukel" is short for "Yaakov," though I'm wondering if it might be short for "Yehoshua" or "Yaakov Yehoshua." Though I find "Yudel" and "Yankle" on various name lists, I don't find "Yukel" and am curious if anyone is familiar with it and know with certainty what name it's derived from.

Seeking for descendants of Fanny born MERDLER and Morris REIFER

Ella Welther

As part of the extended Merdler/Moerdler research I am researching the descendants of Fanny Reifer born Moerdler 1896 in Sereth/Bukowina/Austria to Dawid Moerdler.
Fanny(Fani) married Morris Aaron Reifer.
Fani and Morris Reifer had three daughters born in New York:Ester born 1926, Leone born 1929 and Janette born 1933.

Hannelore Condiescu

Re: Ancestry Announces Digitization of All 36 Million Available US Draft Cards

Bruce Drake

Thanks for this. Previously, what Ancestry had were draft card registrations. But these actual draft cards have data that did not show up on the registration cards

Re: Given Name Discrepancies

Sarah L Meyer

I just had Beider's book on Ashkenazic given names open for another reason and looked up Yukel, which Beider spelled as Yukhel.  He says that it is Yechiel.  But he also has Yukl as Yakef which is Yaakov or Jacob.  So I would assume that your Yaakov is correct.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page

Bruce Drake

One of the most contentious face-offs in the Jewish shtetls of Europe was between the Hasidim and Zionists, who Hasids fiercely opposed on a variety of theological and spiritual grounds, but most notably because they saw it as a secular movement. (Zionists also found themselves in competition with Jewish Bundists who favored fighting for economic betterment at home rather than emigration to Israel). “Herzl’s Memorial Day in Staszow,” from the Yizkor book of that Polish shtetl, recounts the efforts of a group of young students to press the cause of Zionism in their town by marking the anniversary of the death of Theodore Herzl, who founded the movement.

The account provides an insight into what motivated some young Zionists. The author remembers that “from childhood on, I constantly felt that in Staszów you had to live in fear,” whether from Christians, Russian soldiers or Polish police. But when a letter arrived from an official of Hovevei Zion (the “Lovers of Zion”), thanking the students for wanting to further the cause, “it was like a spiritual catharsis, which freed us from those fears.”

The students gave it their best try, but all did not go well after an ardent Hasid stepped in.


Bruce Drake

Silver Spring MD


Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

to the moderator of the group

Eli Brauner

It seems that my post on my book on the Shrenzel Family was not placed in the right place.

It should be a new topic.

If so would you kindly fix it?

Thank you


Dr. Eli Brauner

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Mobile 972506232461

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my book on the Shrenzel family from lwow. A genealogical research guide.

Eli Brauner

It took like ten years of research. 
It is not only a family story but also a guide to a profound genealogical research.
And it is also a memorial to a major Jewish community that was perished.
Dr. Eli Brauner

Looking for family in Australia

My late grandmother, whom I never knew, left Australia in the late 1800’s to go and live in South Africa. Her name was Rosie Tyefield and I am trying to trace her family in Australia.
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Edna Morgenroth Berger 

Re: Jewish refugees in Tashkent during WWII - Moroz

Rose Feldman

That fact that trains were available to take them away from the invading army was definitely a question of survival. I heard from my father's uncle, who heard from this siblings, that the parents told them to get on the train and get out and that the parents (they were probably grandparents then) were too old to make the trip and would stay behind.

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year

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Israel Genealogy Research Association
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Re: Please help us solve a 50 Yr Old Family Mystery! #general #poland


Except in this case, it appears they are related.  The parent's name Esther (tauba) Goldman and Moses Appeal (Moszko Apfel) appear to be associated with a Judko born about the same year as Jacob in the same city Bessie (Pesa) Appel claims to be born.  Tomaszow, Poland.

It appears the Apfel family comes from Tomaszow Lubelski

Ancestry Announces Digitization of All 36 Million Available US Draft Cards

Jan Meisels Allen



Ancestry announced on February 27 that they have digitized all available 36 million young man’s US Draft Cards.  2020 is the 75th anniversary of the end of World War ll.  They worked with the US National Archives and Records Administration to digitize the collection. This is fully searchable and includes color images.  The database includes registration cards for men born between 1898 and 1929 from all states except Maine. The cards from Maine were destroyed before they could be digitized.


Information on the cards include: name, serial number, address or mailing address, telephone, age, place of birth, county of citizenship, employers  name and address of employment, name and address of person who knows the registrants’ address and description of person and year of registration.

To access the collection go to:

When you click on the URL, a window will open asking you to fill in the information for the search. Click on search and a new window opens for the persons that match your search criteria. If you find your person, to view the record, you must have a subscription. When the card opens remember it has two sides so click on the arrow to the right to get to page 2.


Once you have the record open if you want to save it to your computer click the green save button. Below the save button there are chain of icons one of which is a tool with that icon you can print or download and more.


Ancestry is a subscription service. While you can search the above database without a subscription, once you find the person you are looking for, to actually view the record you need a subscription and will be invited to subscribe.


Remember, that many public libraries and Family History Centers have library subscriptions to Ancestry if you do not have a personal subscription.


To read the full press release see:

Original url:


I have no affiliation with Ancestry and am posting this solely for the information of the reader.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Zhytomyr, Ukraine Visit

Phillip Palmer <palmer.phillip@...>

I am in Kyiv for work and thinking of traveling to Zhytomyr, where my
grandmother was born. Are there Jewish sites worth visiting in Zhytomyr? Does anyone know
of any local guides?

Thank you!!

Phillip Palmer
New York, NY

Seeking information on the Loesch family


Seeking information on the Loesch family

Could we be related?

Rolf Hahn

I am looking for anyone who might be related to families from Sochaczew, Poland/Russia.
The family names are Mlynarski (which was changed to Miller), Stromfeld  and Nelson.  My Grandparents were David Mlynarski (Miller) and Miriam Stromfeld Mlynarski (Miller).  They arrived in New York in 1904.  There were 16 Mlynarski siblings and I believe they all came to the U.S.  I would love to contact anyone who had any knowledge of these families.  Looking forward to hearing from you.  Also posted on VM72798.
Phyllis Miller Hahn at ph30068@...


Sheldon Dan <sheldan1955@...>


After I replied to you, I found another Mojzesz Rottersman in my tree.  I am attaching this descendants report so that you can compare it to the other one.

It is possible that the Rachel in the first report is the Ruchla Schagrun in the second report.  One of their sons is a Hirsz (Hirsch) Rottersman, which may be the Hirsch (Henrisch/Herman) Rottersman in the second report.  If so, the unknown first wife in the second report should be Estera Kronenberg and the two unknown children would be Irena and David.  My information says that Estera, Irena, and David died in 1945 in Bialystok, but if the two Hirsches are the same then Hirsch must have survived the Shoah and eventually made Aliyah and remarried there, and then had three other children, Moshe, Zahava, and Rachel.

According to the second report, the first child was born in Wola Batorska, the next two children, including Hirsch, were born in Bochnia, two others were born in Wola Batorska, and the last child was born in Bochnia.  Since my family originated in Bochnia, they may or may not be related, and there are a lot of Rottersman branches who may or may not have been related to my family.

Please look this over and tell me if this second Hirsch could be your ancestor.
Sheldon Dan


Sheldon Dan <sheldan1955@...>


I am attaching a descendants report for Mojzesz Rottersman, Hirsch's father.  There is not much here, and what I got was from JRI-Poland and other sources.

Please check it over and send me your tree with these relatives if you are willing.  We may have a few discrepancies, but it seems that the information is close to what I have.
Sheldon Dan

Seeking Australian family of the late ANN LEIGH (born Hania Helfgott)

Carole Shaw

I would like to contact the relatives of Ann Leigh who was born HANIA HELFGOTT on 20 Aug 1936 in Piotrkow Tribunali, Poland.  She is a cousin of Sir Ben Helfgott and Mala Tribich of London.  She was liberated from Bergen Belsen with Mala and her mother, Irene Helfgott, on 15 Apr 1945 and later settled with Irene in Australia, where she married and lived in the Melbourne area.  She died a few years ago.  She had at least two sons, one of whom is Philip.

 Many thanks for any leads

Carole Shaw, London UK
SCHNEIDER: Kamanets Podolsk, Ukraine & Libava/ Libau/Liepaja, Latvia
KLUGMAN, GOLDSCHMID (plus variations), BRAUER, JACOBSON: Libava/Libau/Liepaja, Latvia & Johannesburg
SAMSON, BLIK: Amsterdam, Zandvoort, Holland

Looking for Descendants of Necha Riwe Schorr #poland Born 1872 Rzeszow died 1940 #poland


Hi I am looking for any family members of the Schorr family of Poland Rzeszow. Father was Chaim Schorr and mother Sara Ryfka Schorr (nee Wisnizer) born 1840. She was married to Reuven Weinmann. Necha had 2 sisters Rachel born 1851 and Gittel born 1858 died approx. 1858, also 2 brothers Samuel born 1866 and Abraham born 1870. Neche had 14 children.
Marvin Bude
61 0413998735

Re: Jewish refugees in Tashkent during WWII - Moroz

Dave Lichtenstein

Hello Ellen

To a dispassionate out-sider the story may seem interesting.  To my mother (and hence our family) it was critical - a matter of human survival.

With best wishes

Sydney, Australia

Searching on my mother's side HERING, HERINGMAN, STEIN and the towns of Brzesc-Kujawski, Wloclawek, Pinczow, Kielce, and Warsaw in Poland

More Information in JOWBR Burial Records from JGS-Montreal

Gary Perlman

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