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seeking information about the ITROF and SECUNDA families of Dvinsk #latvia

Alicen Eatroff <a.eatroff@...>
 

I have been having a great deal of difficulty tracing my paternal
grandfather's family and I was hoping someone on this listserv may
have some additional information or a direction to point me in.

My great-grandparents, Nachum EATROFF and Dina SECUNDA, emigrated from
Daugavpils (Dvinsk), Latvia sometime around 1895 with their children
Fannie (13), Michael (11) and Philip (9). I was told they came through
Castle Garden rather than Ellis Island, but I have been unable to find
any immigration records >from either source.

They are listed as Nochim and Dina ITROF on the 1886 family list, but
this is the only confirmation of their existence prior to immigration
I've been able to locate. All other records for anyone surnamed ITROF
pertain to people in Liepaja or Riga and I have no idea how (or even
if) they are related.

Their oldest surviving descendants are two grandsons, both in their
late 70s and both born long after Nachum and Dina passed away. They
have no additional information about the family prior to immigration
other than a faint family legend that someone's aunts were involved in
a failed anarchist revolution of 1895.

It's a long shot, but if these names ring any bells with anyone,
please contact me.

--
Alicen Eatroff
a.eatroff@...


Latvia SIG #Latvia seeking information about the ITROF and SECUNDA families of Dvinsk #latvia

Alicen Eatroff <a.eatroff@...>
 

I have been having a great deal of difficulty tracing my paternal
grandfather's family and I was hoping someone on this listserv may
have some additional information or a direction to point me in.

My great-grandparents, Nachum EATROFF and Dina SECUNDA, emigrated from
Daugavpils (Dvinsk), Latvia sometime around 1895 with their children
Fannie (13), Michael (11) and Philip (9). I was told they came through
Castle Garden rather than Ellis Island, but I have been unable to find
any immigration records >from either source.

They are listed as Nochim and Dina ITROF on the 1886 family list, but
this is the only confirmation of their existence prior to immigration
I've been able to locate. All other records for anyone surnamed ITROF
pertain to people in Liepaja or Riga and I have no idea how (or even
if) they are related.

Their oldest surviving descendants are two grandsons, both in their
late 70s and both born long after Nachum and Dina passed away. They
have no additional information about the family prior to immigration
other than a faint family legend that someone's aunts were involved in
a failed anarchist revolution of 1895.

It's a long shot, but if these names ring any bells with anyone,
please contact me.

--
Alicen Eatroff
a.eatroff@...


Re: R. Yaakov BESSIS (Tunis-Tiberiade 1910) #sephardic

Mathilde
 

Dear Thierry,

You wrote:

In his book "Une histoire de familles - les noms de famille Juifs
d'Afrique du Nord", Joseph Toledano mentions a R. Yaacob BESSIS, rabbi
born in Tunis who decided at the end of his life to make Aliya, and
settled in Tiberiade where he died in 1910.
Would anyone know
(a) what Toledano's source for this is?
and/or
(b) where to find a death record for R. Yaakov BESSIS in Tiberiade in 1910?
--->
Basing myself on my own experience of asking Joseph Toledano about the
sources he used for the numerous individuals he wrote in his book, his
answer was always the same :"I do nt remind".I guess it is the same
for Rab. Bessis.

As to the burial society of Tiberias, only a request written in Hebrew
will be taken in account.I am ready to translate such a request. Send
me the xact text. I'll tforward it to Tiberias.

Shalom,
Mathilde Tagger
Israel Genealocical Research Society (IGRA)
http://genealogy.org.il/


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Re: R. Yaakov BESSIS (Tunis-Tiberiade 1910) #sephardic

Mathilde
 

Dear Thierry,

You wrote:

In his book "Une histoire de familles - les noms de famille Juifs
d'Afrique du Nord", Joseph Toledano mentions a R. Yaacob BESSIS, rabbi
born in Tunis who decided at the end of his life to make Aliya, and
settled in Tiberiade where he died in 1910.
Would anyone know
(a) what Toledano's source for this is?
and/or
(b) where to find a death record for R. Yaakov BESSIS in Tiberiade in 1910?
--->
Basing myself on my own experience of asking Joseph Toledano about the
sources he used for the numerous individuals he wrote in his book, his
answer was always the same :"I do nt remind".I guess it is the same
for Rab. Bessis.

As to the burial society of Tiberias, only a request written in Hebrew
will be taken in account.I am ready to translate such a request. Send
me the xact text. I'll tforward it to Tiberias.

Shalom,
Mathilde Tagger
Israel Genealocical Research Society (IGRA)
http://genealogy.org.il/


stephen stein - kupel sig #ukraine

dmorland@...
 

Hi,
I received an email >from the Ukraine Sig recently saying that Stephen Stein
was interested in a Kupel Sig. My family is >from there and I wanted to
contact him, but there was no email address. Please email me:
dmorland@...

Thanks so much.
Marilynn Bloom
Houston, TX

Moderator Note: Private respones please


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine stephen stein - kupel sig #ukraine

dmorland@...
 

Hi,
I received an email >from the Ukraine Sig recently saying that Stephen Stein
was interested in a Kupel Sig. My family is >from there and I wanted to
contact him, but there was no email address. Please email me:
dmorland@...

Thanks so much.
Marilynn Bloom
Houston, TX

Moderator Note: Private respones please


R. Yaakov BESSIS (Tunis-Tiberiade 1910) #sephardic

Thierry Samama <thierry.samama@...>
 

In his book "Une histoire de familles - les noms de famille Juifs
d'Afrique du Nord", Joseph Toledano mentions a R. Yaacob BESSIS, rabbi
born in Tunis who decided at the end of his life to make Aliya, and
settled in Tiberiade where he died in 1910.

Would anyone know

(a) what Toledano's source for this is?

and/or

(b) where to find a death record for R. Yaakov BESSIS in Tiberiade in 1910?

Many thanks,

Thierry Samama
Paris, France


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim R. Yaakov BESSIS (Tunis-Tiberiade 1910) #sephardic

Thierry Samama <thierry.samama@...>
 

In his book "Une histoire de familles - les noms de famille Juifs
d'Afrique du Nord", Joseph Toledano mentions a R. Yaacob BESSIS, rabbi
born in Tunis who decided at the end of his life to make Aliya, and
settled in Tiberiade where he died in 1910.

Would anyone know

(a) what Toledano's source for this is?

and/or

(b) where to find a death record for R. Yaakov BESSIS in Tiberiade in 1910?

Many thanks,

Thierry Samama
Paris, France


Difference in Privacy Laws Between the US and European Union #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The genealogical community is constantly being challenged about records access
openness and what may or may not be available to the public. This article
discussing the differences between the European Union and the United States on
privacy laws may be of interest. Click her to read more:
http://tinyurl.com/ahhxnx8

Original url:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/technology/consumer-data-protection-laws-a
n-ocean-apart.html?_r=0

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Difference in Privacy Laws Between the US and European Union #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The genealogical community is constantly being challenged about records access
openness and what may or may not be available to the public. This article
discussing the differences between the European Union and the United States on
privacy laws may be of interest. Click her to read more:
http://tinyurl.com/ahhxnx8

Original url:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/technology/consumer-data-protection-laws-a
n-ocean-apart.html?_r=0

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Looking for Kinyaja or Kniazhe in Vinnitsia, Ukraine? #general

Alexander Sharon <olek.sharon@...>
 

Marla Waltman Daschko wrote:
According to my paternal grandmother, Dora Kravchek Spektor Waltman (1898-1991),
my paternal GG-grandfather (Simcha Chaim Beigler b. abt. 1855 - d. abt 1910) and
GG-grandmother (Freda), were born in Kinyaja, Ukraine (Vinnitsya, now Podolia).
Their seven children and many of their spouses were also born in Kinyaja,
although later generations were born in the neighbouring towns of Shpikov,
Kryzhopol, and Zhabokrich, all of which were located in Vinnitsya. My grandmother
recounted that Kinyaja had around 50 families and was located about two miles
from Kryzhopol (48 23'N 28 53' E, 159 mi SSW of Kyiv), which is on the railroad
track between Odessa and Kyiv.

Village Kniazhe name has been changed to Radyans'ke. Location 4826 2849 4.1 km NNW
from Kryzhopol
Shtetl's Jewish life:

1765 - 4
1791 - 11
1840, establishing by count Groholski alcohol distillery which atracted growth of
the Jewish population
1852 - 10 Jewish tradesmen
1880 - 150 houses, 3 shops and 10 Jewish tradesmen
1889 - 560 Jews (985 of shtetl total population)
1897 - 1040 Jews (95% of the shtetl total population)
Begining of the 20th century: two beit hamidrash, Abram Markovsky (born in 1873) is
shtetl Rabbi Jewish population has gradually relocated to the nearby Kryzhpol, and
there was no Jews left there before WWII

Moshe Glazer, noted Jewish Ukrainian poet was born in Kniazhe in 1892,author of
poem "Goim Tzingen" based on pogroms motifs.

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Looking for Kinyaja or Kniazhe in Vinnitsia, Ukraine? #general

Alexander Sharon <olek.sharon@...>
 

Marla Waltman Daschko wrote:
According to my paternal grandmother, Dora Kravchek Spektor Waltman (1898-1991),
my paternal GG-grandfather (Simcha Chaim Beigler b. abt. 1855 - d. abt 1910) and
GG-grandmother (Freda), were born in Kinyaja, Ukraine (Vinnitsya, now Podolia).
Their seven children and many of their spouses were also born in Kinyaja,
although later generations were born in the neighbouring towns of Shpikov,
Kryzhopol, and Zhabokrich, all of which were located in Vinnitsya. My grandmother
recounted that Kinyaja had around 50 families and was located about two miles
from Kryzhopol (48 23'N 28 53' E, 159 mi SSW of Kyiv), which is on the railroad
track between Odessa and Kyiv.

Village Kniazhe name has been changed to Radyans'ke. Location 4826 2849 4.1 km NNW
from Kryzhopol
Shtetl's Jewish life:

1765 - 4
1791 - 11
1840, establishing by count Groholski alcohol distillery which atracted growth of
the Jewish population
1852 - 10 Jewish tradesmen
1880 - 150 houses, 3 shops and 10 Jewish tradesmen
1889 - 560 Jews (985 of shtetl total population)
1897 - 1040 Jews (95% of the shtetl total population)
Begining of the 20th century: two beit hamidrash, Abram Markovsky (born in 1873) is
shtetl Rabbi Jewish population has gradually relocated to the nearby Kryzhpol, and
there was no Jews left there before WWII

Moshe Glazer, noted Jewish Ukrainian poet was born in Kniazhe in 1892,author of
poem "Goim Tzingen" based on pogroms motifs.

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


Karsruhe online collection [Request direct URL & navigation help] #germany

Gene Golovchinsky
 

Dear Genners,

A number of recent messages mentioned a Karsruhe online collection of
records, which apparently includes a collection of duplicate church
registers >from various parts of Germany. The moderator helpfully
included a link to a site devoted to different aspects of German
genealogy, on which I found this link:
http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/kvk_en.html

This seems to be the closest I could find to the afore-mentioned database.
Yet I could not figure out, searching on the the KVK site, how to find this collection
of duplicate church records. Am I looking in the wrong place? Or using
the wrong database within KVK? Thanks in advance!

Gene Golovchinsky, Menlo Park, California genego@...


German SIG #Germany Karsruhe online collection [Request direct URL & navigation help] #germany

Gene Golovchinsky
 

Dear Genners,

A number of recent messages mentioned a Karsruhe online collection of
records, which apparently includes a collection of duplicate church
registers >from various parts of Germany. The moderator helpfully
included a link to a site devoted to different aspects of German
genealogy, on which I found this link:
http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/kvk_en.html

This seems to be the closest I could find to the afore-mentioned database.
Yet I could not figure out, searching on the the KVK site, how to find this collection
of duplicate church records. Am I looking in the wrong place? Or using
the wrong database within KVK? Thanks in advance!

Gene Golovchinsky, Menlo Park, California genego@...


Baden-Wuerttemberg Cemetery Documentation [and grave photos] Online - SITE CITE #germany

Alex Calzareth
 

The Baden-Wuerttemberg State Archive (Landesarchiv) has recently made
another important resource available online. It is a database of the
work done by the Landesdenkmalamt Baden-Wuerttemberg, which contains
basic documentation and photographs of gravestones for 141 Jewish
cemeteries in the region.

The collection is part of the digital collections of the Staatsarchiv
Ludwigsburg (Record Group EL 228 b II) and can be found at
https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/ofs21/olf/index.php?bestand=24368

To browse a particular cemetery click on ** "Strukturansicht" **
and then on the next page click the folder with the plus to the left of the
cemetery name.

The folders listed below will each contain twenty
gravestones. After clicking on one of the ** Grabstein ** folders a page
with names and basic gravestone information will appear on the right.

To access the photo of the gravestone click on the
** Archivalieneinheiten ** link in each gravestone entry.
Clicking on the photo brings you to another page where you can zoom or rotate the photo.

Alternatively, you can search for individuals. To do this click on
full text search ** (Volltextsuche) ** and enter a name in the ** Suchtext ** box.

After you click on Suche you will get a page of results. In order to
see the full information for the gravestone select ** Strukturansicht ** in
the relevant search result.

If you are searching for a first and last name together
it may be useful to change the ** Verknuepfung ** (search operation) setting
>from "zusammenhaengender Ausdruck" (phrase) to
"Jeder Begriff muss gefunden werden (UND)" (each term must be found)
so that the names are found regardless of their order in the database entry.

The photographs on the web site were primarily taken in the 1980s by
the Zentralarchiv zur Erforschung der Geschichte der Juden in
Deutschland (http://www.uni-heidelberg.de/institute/sonst/aj/).
I believe the organization also had a role in preparing some of the
cemetery documentation.

The Landesdenkmalamt originally published documentation for most
cemeteries consisting of a list of all the gravestones in the cemetery
along with at least basic additional information on each gravestone.
It is this basic information, such as birth and death dates, place of
origin, and spouse's or parents' names, that is found with each entry
on the archive's web site.

What appears to not yet be available is the full documentation for
select gravestones. This full documentation is a transcription of the
Hebrew inscription along with a translation into German. To access
this information it would still be necessary to consult the original
paper documentation. The title of the collection has a note indicating
that it is still in progress, so it's possible that more materials may
be added in the future.

Alex Calzareth Wantagh, New York alcalz@...

Many thanks to Alex for this important link and user guide.
Like all email to this Forum, this message will become part
of our permanent searchable archive. If a volunteer is willing
to compile a compact list of the names of the 141 cemeteries, please
write to <gersigmod@...> for format instructions.
I would post the above message again with the community list included.
That will allow archive searchers to find this valuable link and guide with
a search for any of the town names GerSIG Moderator

A link to the SIG Archive Search Engine
appears at the end of every GerSIG email.


German SIG #Germany Baden-Wuerttemberg Cemetery Documentation [and grave photos] Online - SITE CITE #germany

Alex Calzareth
 

The Baden-Wuerttemberg State Archive (Landesarchiv) has recently made
another important resource available online. It is a database of the
work done by the Landesdenkmalamt Baden-Wuerttemberg, which contains
basic documentation and photographs of gravestones for 141 Jewish
cemeteries in the region.

The collection is part of the digital collections of the Staatsarchiv
Ludwigsburg (Record Group EL 228 b II) and can be found at
https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/ofs21/olf/index.php?bestand=24368

To browse a particular cemetery click on ** "Strukturansicht" **
and then on the next page click the folder with the plus to the left of the
cemetery name.

The folders listed below will each contain twenty
gravestones. After clicking on one of the ** Grabstein ** folders a page
with names and basic gravestone information will appear on the right.

To access the photo of the gravestone click on the
** Archivalieneinheiten ** link in each gravestone entry.
Clicking on the photo brings you to another page where you can zoom or rotate the photo.

Alternatively, you can search for individuals. To do this click on
full text search ** (Volltextsuche) ** and enter a name in the ** Suchtext ** box.

After you click on Suche you will get a page of results. In order to
see the full information for the gravestone select ** Strukturansicht ** in
the relevant search result.

If you are searching for a first and last name together
it may be useful to change the ** Verknuepfung ** (search operation) setting
>from "zusammenhaengender Ausdruck" (phrase) to
"Jeder Begriff muss gefunden werden (UND)" (each term must be found)
so that the names are found regardless of their order in the database entry.

The photographs on the web site were primarily taken in the 1980s by
the Zentralarchiv zur Erforschung der Geschichte der Juden in
Deutschland (http://www.uni-heidelberg.de/institute/sonst/aj/).
I believe the organization also had a role in preparing some of the
cemetery documentation.

The Landesdenkmalamt originally published documentation for most
cemeteries consisting of a list of all the gravestones in the cemetery
along with at least basic additional information on each gravestone.
It is this basic information, such as birth and death dates, place of
origin, and spouse's or parents' names, that is found with each entry
on the archive's web site.

What appears to not yet be available is the full documentation for
select gravestones. This full documentation is a transcription of the
Hebrew inscription along with a translation into German. To access
this information it would still be necessary to consult the original
paper documentation. The title of the collection has a note indicating
that it is still in progress, so it's possible that more materials may
be added in the future.

Alex Calzareth Wantagh, New York alcalz@...

Many thanks to Alex for this important link and user guide.
Like all email to this Forum, this message will become part
of our permanent searchable archive. If a volunteer is willing
to compile a compact list of the names of the 141 cemeteries, please
write to <gersigmod@...> for format instructions.
I would post the above message again with the community list included.
That will allow archive searchers to find this valuable link and guide with
a search for any of the town names GerSIG Moderator

A link to the SIG Archive Search Engine
appears at the end of every GerSIG email.


Re: Looking for Ittlingen vital records. [for 1870 and later] #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Paula,
>from 1876 onward all vital records in Germany were kept by the local
registry office (Standesamt) and not separated out by religion.

Those records are available to the public after a certain interval:
110 years for births;
80 years for marriages;
30 years for deaths.

Each Land (state, in this case Baden-Wuerttemberg) is in the process of
gathering the 2nd copies of the vital registers and placing them in
archives especially suited to the purpose.

Hessen is so far the only Land that has scanned a substantial portion of
the publicly available registry-office records and put them on line.

Most of these can only be viewed at Family History Centers or by members
of the LDS (Mormon) Church. I don't know whether Baden-Wuerttemberg has any plans to
follow suit, but for now the records can be viewed only in Germany.
(Some vital records >from Poland, including Standesamt records >from
formerly German parts are beginning to appear at
http://www.szukajwarchiwach.pl/.)

As to 1871-5 records, I have no idea what the situation is. Let us know if you
find out, please!

The Baden-Wuerttemberg archives have placed their collection of
Gatermann films on line. These are films of vital records made for the
Nazis toward the end of WW II. The originals are lost. Go to

https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/ofs21/olf/startbild.php?bestand=5632

and click on Strukturansicht at the left. The collection is arranged
alphabetically. There are several items for Ittlingen, including a
Chevra Kadisha register that goes to 1893 and a grave register for
1887-1929.

Best of luck, and keep us posted on what you find!

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA research coordinator, GerSIG

Paula Weil, North Salem NY nofrillsfarm@... wrote:
Can anyone tell me where to find the birth-marriage-death records for
the town of Ittlingen in Baden 1870 and later? What LDS has stops at
1870 before the supposed date of the birth of my grandfather and some
of his siblings.
Would copies of post 1870 Itlingen vital records be available to me here in the U.S.?


German SIG #Germany Re: Looking for Ittlingen vital records. [for 1870 and later] #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Paula,
>from 1876 onward all vital records in Germany were kept by the local
registry office (Standesamt) and not separated out by religion.

Those records are available to the public after a certain interval:
110 years for births;
80 years for marriages;
30 years for deaths.

Each Land (state, in this case Baden-Wuerttemberg) is in the process of
gathering the 2nd copies of the vital registers and placing them in
archives especially suited to the purpose.

Hessen is so far the only Land that has scanned a substantial portion of
the publicly available registry-office records and put them on line.

Most of these can only be viewed at Family History Centers or by members
of the LDS (Mormon) Church. I don't know whether Baden-Wuerttemberg has any plans to
follow suit, but for now the records can be viewed only in Germany.
(Some vital records >from Poland, including Standesamt records >from
formerly German parts are beginning to appear at
http://www.szukajwarchiwach.pl/.)

As to 1871-5 records, I have no idea what the situation is. Let us know if you
find out, please!

The Baden-Wuerttemberg archives have placed their collection of
Gatermann films on line. These are films of vital records made for the
Nazis toward the end of WW II. The originals are lost. Go to

https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/ofs21/olf/startbild.php?bestand=5632

and click on Strukturansicht at the left. The collection is arranged
alphabetically. There are several items for Ittlingen, including a
Chevra Kadisha register that goes to 1893 and a grave register for
1887-1929.

Best of luck, and keep us posted on what you find!

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA research coordinator, GerSIG

Paula Weil, North Salem NY nofrillsfarm@... wrote:
Can anyone tell me where to find the birth-marriage-death records for
the town of Ittlingen in Baden 1870 and later? What LDS has stops at
1870 before the supposed date of the birth of my grandfather and some
of his siblings.
Would copies of post 1870 Itlingen vital records be available to me here in the U.S.?


Photo help: Beth Abraham cemetery, Detroit #general

Carolyn Simon
 

I am anxious to obtain a sharp, readable photo of the tombstone of my GGF David
Natowitz (Natowicz) He died 1/25/1917 and is buried in Detroit's Beth Abraham
Section A, Street: 44. Address 12. Ref: 185. An effort has already been made by the
official contact for the cemeterybut after efforts by skilled family members to
enhance the image, it remains illegible.

I would be very appreciative if someone in the area could take a photo of the
stone using more sensitive photo equipment and obtain a sharper image.. There is a
great deal of Hebrew on the stone and I have someone here in Tucson who can
translate it for me. I have never been able to trace my GGF prior to his marriage
to Feigel (Fanny) Appel in Krakow. The wedding record says his parents were Abraham
and Ewy [sic]. I do know that after his marriage he lived in Jordanow. Prior to
moving to Detroit, he lived in Chicago for many years.
Carolyn Simon
Tucson, AZ
JewishGen # 139371

MODERATOR NOTE: Please let Carolyn know privately, before you go to the cemetery to
avoid duplicating efforts.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Photo help: Beth Abraham cemetery, Detroit #general

Carolyn Simon
 

I am anxious to obtain a sharp, readable photo of the tombstone of my GGF David
Natowitz (Natowicz) He died 1/25/1917 and is buried in Detroit's Beth Abraham
Section A, Street: 44. Address 12. Ref: 185. An effort has already been made by the
official contact for the cemeterybut after efforts by skilled family members to
enhance the image, it remains illegible.

I would be very appreciative if someone in the area could take a photo of the
stone using more sensitive photo equipment and obtain a sharper image.. There is a
great deal of Hebrew on the stone and I have someone here in Tucson who can
translate it for me. I have never been able to trace my GGF prior to his marriage
to Feigel (Fanny) Appel in Krakow. The wedding record says his parents were Abraham
and Ewy [sic]. I do know that after his marriage he lived in Jordanow. Prior to
moving to Detroit, he lived in Chicago for many years.
Carolyn Simon
Tucson, AZ
JewishGen # 139371

MODERATOR NOTE: Please let Carolyn know privately, before you go to the cemetery to
avoid duplicating efforts.