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Re: Ratzfert - Ujfeherto #hungary

g_hirsch@...
 

My information is based on R. L. Braham's book "Magyarorszag Holokauszt Foldrajzi Enciklopediaja". About two pages deal with UjfehÊrto's past, including the deportations. According the book they were taken to Nyiregyhåza . So probably they shared the fate of the Ghetto of Nyiregyhåza. According the Vrancsik/Gasko Death Trains/Halalvonatok List the Trains >from Nyiregyhaza passed Kassa on
Â
May 14. 3200 Person   May 21. 3274 P.  May 23. 3272 P.  May 27. 2708 P.  June 5. 2253 P.Â

If you speak/read Hungarian, I can send you the the scanned pages of Ujnfeferto.
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Best regards
Gabor Hirsch
Switzerland
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Gesendet:Â Dienstag, 07. Mai 2013 um 10:35 Uhr
Von:Â "Al Silberman" <alsilberman@gmail.com>
An:Â H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Betreff:Â [h-sig] Ratzfert - Ujfeherto
I am interested to find out more details about the deportation of the Jews
from Ratzfert (Ujfeherto) Hungary on what I believe was May 17, 1944. I
understand that part were sent to Auschwitz and part to a German camp
(where?). Does anyone have detailed knowledge about whether they were first
taken to a Ghetto somewhere for a while and then shipped to their final
destination? Where did the trains leave >from and when did they arrive at the
final location? Particularly, when would those people have arrived in
Birkenau / Auschwitz?

Al Silberman
Monsey, NY


Hungary SIG #Hungary Aw: Ratzfert - Ujfeherto #hungary

g_hirsch@...
 

My information is based on R. L. Braham's book "Magyarorszag Holokauszt Foldrajzi Enciklopediaja". About two pages deal with UjfehÊrto's past, including the deportations. According the book they were taken to Nyiregyhåza . So probably they shared the fate of the Ghetto of Nyiregyhåza. According the Vrancsik/Gasko Death Trains/Halalvonatok List the Trains >from Nyiregyhaza passed Kassa on
Â
May 14. 3200 Person   May 21. 3274 P.  May 23. 3272 P.  May 27. 2708 P.  June 5. 2253 P.Â

If you speak/read Hungarian, I can send you the the scanned pages of Ujnfeferto.
Â
Best regards
Gabor Hirsch
Switzerland
Â
Â

Gesendet:Â Dienstag, 07. Mai 2013 um 10:35 Uhr
Von:Â "Al Silberman" <alsilberman@gmail.com>
An:Â H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Betreff:Â [h-sig] Ratzfert - Ujfeherto
I am interested to find out more details about the deportation of the Jews
from Ratzfert (Ujfeherto) Hungary on what I believe was May 17, 1944. I
understand that part were sent to Auschwitz and part to a German camp
(where?). Does anyone have detailed knowledge about whether they were first
taken to a Ghetto somewhere for a while and then shipped to their final
destination? Where did the trains leave >from and when did they arrive at the
final location? Particularly, when would those people have arrived in
Birkenau / Auschwitz?

Al Silberman
Monsey, NY


Re: Hungarian translation from gravestone #hungary

g_hirsch@...
 

My translation is probably not the best, but I try

Dr Groszmann Zsigmond fo rabbi
Chief rabbi Dr Groszmann Zsigmond

1880-1945
1888-1945

Negy evtizeden at igaz papi lelekkel szolgalta kozosseget
Served during four decades with truly priesterly spirit the community

Martir Leanya
Edit
1924-1944
Emlekere
In memoriam of his martir daughter 1924 - 1944

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch
Switzerland


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hungarian translation from gravestone #hungary

g_hirsch@...
 

My translation is probably not the best, but I try

Dr Groszmann Zsigmond fo rabbi
Chief rabbi Dr Groszmann Zsigmond

1880-1945
1888-1945

Negy evtizeden at igaz papi lelekkel szolgalta kozosseget
Served during four decades with truly priesterly spirit the community

Martir Leanya
Edit
1924-1944
Emlekere
In memoriam of his martir daughter 1924 - 1944

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch
Switzerland


Lida society gates from NY metro area are now available for viewing #poland

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Hi all,

I have added a page to my Cemetery Project's "Society Gates" permanent
exhibition, featuring information (names, dates, etc.) and photos of the
gates that front each of six to seven Lida, Belarus society burial plots in
the New York metro area (although I haven't any information about the
burials in the plots themselves).

Lida is located in today's Belarus, but between the two World Wars it was
located in Poland. At the beginning of World War II, it became part of the
Soviet Union.

You can view this page at www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/lia-sg-lida.htm.


Regards,
Steven Lasky
steve@museumoffamilyhistory.com
Website: www.museumoffamilyhistory.com
Blog: www.museumoffamilyhistory.blogspot.com
Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/museumoffamilyhistory

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The 1,249 burials in these Lida landsmanshaft
plots were indexed by Ada Green, whose information is now searchable
in the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR).


JRI Poland #Poland Lida society gates from NY metro area are now available for viewing #poland

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Hi all,

I have added a page to my Cemetery Project's "Society Gates" permanent
exhibition, featuring information (names, dates, etc.) and photos of the
gates that front each of six to seven Lida, Belarus society burial plots in
the New York metro area (although I haven't any information about the
burials in the plots themselves).

Lida is located in today's Belarus, but between the two World Wars it was
located in Poland. At the beginning of World War II, it became part of the
Soviet Union.

You can view this page at www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/lia-sg-lida.htm.


Regards,
Steven Lasky
steve@museumoffamilyhistory.com
Website: www.museumoffamilyhistory.com
Blog: www.museumoffamilyhistory.blogspot.com
Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/museumoffamilyhistory

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The 1,249 burials in these Lida landsmanshaft
plots were indexed by Ada Green, whose information is now searchable
in the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR).


JGS Greater Orlando Meeting - "The Changing Borders of Eastern Europe" - May 19th #general

Marlis Humphrey
 

Join the Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Orlando (JGSGO) for a
program featuring world renowned expert, Hal Bookbinder, "The Changing
Borders of Eastern Europe."

Few Jews lived in Eastern Europe 1,000 years ago. Yet, it was to become the
home of 80% of the World's Jews. As Russia expanded westward, more and more
Jews came within the Russian Empire. This talk examines Russia's efforts to
limit the Jews in its midst and the Eastern European borders changes which
frequently resulted in ancestral towns coming under the rule of several
countries over time. Recognizing which governments were in control at various
times can help in understanding the environment in which ancestors lived,
events that stimulated migration, languages in which records were kept and
likely locations where these records might be found.

Hal Bookbinder has served as president of the JGS Los Angeles (JGSLA) and the
International Association of JGSs (IAJGS) as well as a founding member of the
JGS of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County (JGSCV). He currently serves on
the JewishGen Board of Governors, chairing its Strategic Planning Committee.
He has chaired or served in a leadership role for eight IAJGS conferences, is
advisor to the 2013 Conference in Boston and is co-chairing the 2014 conference
in Salt Lake City. Hal has published numerous articles on research techniques,
Jewish history, border changes and safe computing and has lectured at most
recent annual conferences. In 2010, he was honored with the IAJGS Lifetime
Achievement Award.

Hal has identified over 3,500 relatives in eight lines, taking two of these
back into the mid-18th Century. His family roots are primarily >from the area
currently within the Ukraine and adjacent areas of Moldova, Belarus, Russia
and Poland.

Hal's lecture on "The Changing Borders of Eastern Europe" is fundamental to
those researching their Jewish Eastern European family history.

DATE: Sunday, May 19, 2013
TIME: 1:00 P.M. - 3:00 P.M.
LOCATION: Southwest Orlando Jewish Congregation, Social Hall,
11200 South Apopka Vineland Road, Orlando, FL 32836.
ADMISSION: Open to the public. $5.00 for non-members. Free for members.

About the Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Orlando
The Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Orlando (JGSGO) is a not for profit
organization dedicated to sharing genealogical information, techniques and
research tools with anyone interested in Jewish genealogy and family history.
Anyone may join JGSGO. Annual dues are $25 for an individual and $30 for a
family. For more information visit our blog at www.jgsgo.blogspot.com and
"like" us at www.facebook.com/jgsgreaterorlando .

Contact Information:
Marlis Humphrey
JGSGO VP Programs & Publicity
jgsgo.programs@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Greater Orlando Meeting - "The Changing Borders of Eastern Europe" - May 19th #general

Marlis Humphrey
 

Join the Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Orlando (JGSGO) for a
program featuring world renowned expert, Hal Bookbinder, "The Changing
Borders of Eastern Europe."

Few Jews lived in Eastern Europe 1,000 years ago. Yet, it was to become the
home of 80% of the World's Jews. As Russia expanded westward, more and more
Jews came within the Russian Empire. This talk examines Russia's efforts to
limit the Jews in its midst and the Eastern European borders changes which
frequently resulted in ancestral towns coming under the rule of several
countries over time. Recognizing which governments were in control at various
times can help in understanding the environment in which ancestors lived,
events that stimulated migration, languages in which records were kept and
likely locations where these records might be found.

Hal Bookbinder has served as president of the JGS Los Angeles (JGSLA) and the
International Association of JGSs (IAJGS) as well as a founding member of the
JGS of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County (JGSCV). He currently serves on
the JewishGen Board of Governors, chairing its Strategic Planning Committee.
He has chaired or served in a leadership role for eight IAJGS conferences, is
advisor to the 2013 Conference in Boston and is co-chairing the 2014 conference
in Salt Lake City. Hal has published numerous articles on research techniques,
Jewish history, border changes and safe computing and has lectured at most
recent annual conferences. In 2010, he was honored with the IAJGS Lifetime
Achievement Award.

Hal has identified over 3,500 relatives in eight lines, taking two of these
back into the mid-18th Century. His family roots are primarily >from the area
currently within the Ukraine and adjacent areas of Moldova, Belarus, Russia
and Poland.

Hal's lecture on "The Changing Borders of Eastern Europe" is fundamental to
those researching their Jewish Eastern European family history.

DATE: Sunday, May 19, 2013
TIME: 1:00 P.M. - 3:00 P.M.
LOCATION: Southwest Orlando Jewish Congregation, Social Hall,
11200 South Apopka Vineland Road, Orlando, FL 32836.
ADMISSION: Open to the public. $5.00 for non-members. Free for members.

About the Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Orlando
The Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Orlando (JGSGO) is a not for profit
organization dedicated to sharing genealogical information, techniques and
research tools with anyone interested in Jewish genealogy and family history.
Anyone may join JGSGO. Annual dues are $25 for an individual and $30 for a
family. For more information visit our blog at www.jgsgo.blogspot.com and
"like" us at www.facebook.com/jgsgreaterorlando .

Contact Information:
Marlis Humphrey
JGSGO VP Programs & Publicity
jgsgo.programs@gmail.com


Re: where is my sister? #general

Ayana Kimron Genealogy
 

Efrat -

In course of my Mengele-twins research and the search for Jolli
A-7734, I come across a lot of information about lost children. Much
of it is irrelevant for you, but here is an idea:
In 1942, this sister was 5 years old - old enough to say her name.
So, if she was saved by local people, she may appear in a list of
children who survived in hiding in Krakow area. The list starts on
page 112 of a Polish book: "Survivors of the Holocaust in Poland" by
Lucjan Dobroszycki.
[Thanks to Feiga Weiss, Head librarian in the Holocaust
Memorial-Center/Zekelman Family Campus , MI/USA for this information.]

Copies of the book are in Yad Vashem, the Israel National Library, and
YIVO.

Unfortunately, you do need to check ITS archive (via Yad Vashem) for a
worst case scenario. If you go to Yad Vashem, their volunteers will
help you.
Also, submit a query to the Red Cross via Magen David - they will help
you in more directions.

I hope it helps.

Ayana KimRon
Israel
Jolli A-7734 search: https://www.facebook.com/pages/A7734/499971010060858


JRI Poland #Poland Re: where is my sister? #poland

Ayana Kimron Genealogy
 

Efrat -

In course of my Mengele-twins research and the search for Jolli
A-7734, I come across a lot of information about lost children. Much
of it is irrelevant for you, but here is an idea:
In 1942, this sister was 5 years old - old enough to say her name.
So, if she was saved by local people, she may appear in a list of
children who survived in hiding in Krakow area. The list starts on
page 112 of a Polish book: "Survivors of the Holocaust in Poland" by
Lucjan Dobroszycki.
[Thanks to Feiga Weiss, Head librarian in the Holocaust
Memorial-Center/Zekelman Family Campus , MI/USA for this information.]

Copies of the book are in Yad Vashem, the Israel National Library, and
YIVO.

Unfortunately, you do need to check ITS archive (via Yad Vashem) for a
worst case scenario. If you go to Yad Vashem, their volunteers will
help you.
Also, submit a query to the Red Cross via Magen David - they will help
you in more directions.

I hope it helps.

Ayana KimRon
Israel
Jolli A-7734 search: https://www.facebook.com/pages/A7734/499971010060858


Lida society plot gate photos from NY metro area now available for viewing #lithuania

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Hi all,

I have added a page to my Cemetery Project's "Society Gates" permanent
exhibition, featuring information (names, dates inscribed on the gate posts,
etc.) and photos of the gates that front each of six to seven Lida, Belarus
society burial plots in the New York metro area (although I haven't any
information about the burials in the plots themselves).

Lida is located in today's Belarus, but between the two World Wars it was
located in Poland. At the beginning of World War II, it became part of
the Soviet Union.

You can view this page at www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/lia-sg-lida.htm.

Regards,
Steven Lasky
steve@museumoffamilyhistory.com
Website: www.museumoffamilyhistory.com
Blog: www.museumoffamilyhistory.blogspot.com
Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/museumoffamilyhistory

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Ada Green, who is part of LitvakSIG's Lida
District Research Group, indexed the 1,249 burials in these
various Lida landsmanshaft plots and they are now searchable
in the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR).


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Lida society plot gate photos from NY metro area now available for viewing #lithuania

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Hi all,

I have added a page to my Cemetery Project's "Society Gates" permanent
exhibition, featuring information (names, dates inscribed on the gate posts,
etc.) and photos of the gates that front each of six to seven Lida, Belarus
society burial plots in the New York metro area (although I haven't any
information about the burials in the plots themselves).

Lida is located in today's Belarus, but between the two World Wars it was
located in Poland. At the beginning of World War II, it became part of
the Soviet Union.

You can view this page at www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/lia-sg-lida.htm.

Regards,
Steven Lasky
steve@museumoffamilyhistory.com
Website: www.museumoffamilyhistory.com
Blog: www.museumoffamilyhistory.blogspot.com
Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/museumoffamilyhistory

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Ada Green, who is part of LitvakSIG's Lida
District Research Group, indexed the 1,249 burials in these
various Lida landsmanshaft plots and they are now searchable
in the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR).


Re: shul name #ukraine

Jenny Brown
 

If you are in the New York area, the New York City municipal archives has a database of all the synagogues in 1939 (>from the WPA project), including some that were defunct at that time, with addresses on it. There's a list of all synagogues online, but no addresses are given.

Info on it here:
http://www.jgsnydb.org/landsmanshaft/wpaform.htm

Lists of synagogues here:
http://www.jgsnydb.org/landsmanshaft/synagogues.htm

Best,
Jenny Brown

On May 14, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Hillel Bick <hillelbick@netscape.net> wrote:

My grandfather ,who was the last Rav in Medzibush Ukraine was Rav in a
shul on 569 Willoughby st., Bkly'n , in the early 1930's.

The shul is listed on the Museum of Family history -list of closed
shuls in Bkl'n -- but without a name.Does anyone know the name of the
shul.?


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: shul name #ukraine

Jenny Brown
 

If you are in the New York area, the New York City municipal archives has a database of all the synagogues in 1939 (>from the WPA project), including some that were defunct at that time, with addresses on it. There's a list of all synagogues online, but no addresses are given.

Info on it here:
http://www.jgsnydb.org/landsmanshaft/wpaform.htm

Lists of synagogues here:
http://www.jgsnydb.org/landsmanshaft/synagogues.htm

Best,
Jenny Brown

On May 14, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Hillel Bick <hillelbick@netscape.net> wrote:

My grandfather ,who was the last Rav in Medzibush Ukraine was Rav in a
shul on 569 Willoughby st., Bkly'n , in the early 1930's.

The shul is listed on the Museum of Family history -list of closed
shuls in Bkl'n -- but without a name.Does anyone know the name of the
shul.?


family mystery-/deaths/ marriages #germany

Lin <lin2@...>
 

Please thank those who help you and support GerSIG, ViewMate and JewishGen
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors0.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors.asp
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My great-grandfather, Jacob HERZ (who called himself Jacob Herz I, even
though the brother of his father was named Jacob Herz) was born and died
in Numbrecht. He was married 4 times. three wives died quite young.
Here is the mystery. Wife one Sophie (or Sofie/Sofia)nee FRANK HERZ
had a child in April 1887. The child, Caroline HERZ died the following
April. We have Caroline's death certificate (23 April 1888).
On the death certificate it says Caroline died in Numbrecht and her
mother was deceased. A death certificate for Sophie FRANK HERZ has
not been found. ???

Jacob had a child in August 1888 with his second wife,
Rebecka REINHEIMER HERZ. (Rebecka is my great-grandmother). We have
the birth certificate of my great-aunt Jenny HERZ born in August of 1888.
Jacob HERZ is her father.
A cousin says there is no death certificate for Sofia FRANK in Nümbrecht.
We also have no marriage certificate in Nümbrecht for Rebecka REINHEIMER
and Jacob HERZ, nor in Beerfelden, where Rebecka is from. ???

I have tried Michelstadt archives and they don't have a marriage
certificate either. Theoretically they could have not married, but
that is doubtful. Assuming everything was "Kosher" they got married
sometime before December of 1887.
We have Rebecka REINHEIMER'S birth certificate (>from Beerfelden)
and her death certificate >from Nümbrecht in 1894.

The third wife Dina LEESER or LESSER died in 1910. We have her death
certificate. She died in Numbrecht. We also do not have a marriage
certificate for her. The last wife Henny JORDAN HERZ who is supposedly
from Dortmund (I have seen no documentation and can't find any) is the
only one anyone living during my lifetime knew or remembered.
She lived in NUMBRECHT during the time my great-grandfather was alive.
she was the grandmother the grandchildren remembered. We have not found
a marriage certificate for her either. We think she died in Holocaust.

Does anyone know anything about Sophie FRANK or have any ideas where
I could look? The marriage certificate says she's >from the Lenhausen,
Province of Arnsberg. Her parents were Samuel FRANK and Luisa KELLER.
Or about Henny JORDAN?

Through this list I have been united with part of the REINHEIMER
family, as my family never knew any REINHEIMERS. But they knew nothing
about Rebecka.

Thank you so much. Lin Herz Palm Bay, Florida, USA


German SIG #Germany family mystery-/deaths/ marriages #germany

Lin <lin2@...>
 

Please thank those who help you and support GerSIG, ViewMate and JewishGen
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors0.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors.asp
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My great-grandfather, Jacob HERZ (who called himself Jacob Herz I, even
though the brother of his father was named Jacob Herz) was born and died
in Numbrecht. He was married 4 times. three wives died quite young.
Here is the mystery. Wife one Sophie (or Sofie/Sofia)nee FRANK HERZ
had a child in April 1887. The child, Caroline HERZ died the following
April. We have Caroline's death certificate (23 April 1888).
On the death certificate it says Caroline died in Numbrecht and her
mother was deceased. A death certificate for Sophie FRANK HERZ has
not been found. ???

Jacob had a child in August 1888 with his second wife,
Rebecka REINHEIMER HERZ. (Rebecka is my great-grandmother). We have
the birth certificate of my great-aunt Jenny HERZ born in August of 1888.
Jacob HERZ is her father.
A cousin says there is no death certificate for Sofia FRANK in Nümbrecht.
We also have no marriage certificate in Nümbrecht for Rebecka REINHEIMER
and Jacob HERZ, nor in Beerfelden, where Rebecka is from. ???

I have tried Michelstadt archives and they don't have a marriage
certificate either. Theoretically they could have not married, but
that is doubtful. Assuming everything was "Kosher" they got married
sometime before December of 1887.
We have Rebecka REINHEIMER'S birth certificate (>from Beerfelden)
and her death certificate >from Nümbrecht in 1894.

The third wife Dina LEESER or LESSER died in 1910. We have her death
certificate. She died in Numbrecht. We also do not have a marriage
certificate for her. The last wife Henny JORDAN HERZ who is supposedly
from Dortmund (I have seen no documentation and can't find any) is the
only one anyone living during my lifetime knew or remembered.
She lived in NUMBRECHT during the time my great-grandfather was alive.
she was the grandmother the grandchildren remembered. We have not found
a marriage certificate for her either. We think she died in Holocaust.

Does anyone know anything about Sophie FRANK or have any ideas where
I could look? The marriage certificate says she's >from the Lenhausen,
Province of Arnsberg. Her parents were Samuel FRANK and Luisa KELLER.
Or about Henny JORDAN?

Through this list I have been united with part of the REINHEIMER
family, as my family never knew any REINHEIMERS. But they knew nothing
about Rebecka.

Thank you so much. Lin Herz Palm Bay, Florida, USA


Salt Lake City #general

Beth Long
 

I recently moved >from Budapest back to the U.S. (Salt Lake City), and am
wondering if there is a Jewish genealogy group here? I have not been able
to find one so far. If you have information, please contact me privately.

Beth Long
Salt Lake City

MODERATOR NOTE: The International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies' (IAJGS) website has a list of member organizations by location.
http://www.iajgs.org/members/members.html
JewishGen also hosts websites for (currently) 16 JGS organizations (although
the list does not include Salt Lake City).
http://www.jewishgen.org/JGS/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Salt Lake City #general

Beth Long
 

I recently moved >from Budapest back to the U.S. (Salt Lake City), and am
wondering if there is a Jewish genealogy group here? I have not been able
to find one so far. If you have information, please contact me privately.

Beth Long
Salt Lake City

MODERATOR NOTE: The International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies' (IAJGS) website has a list of member organizations by location.
http://www.iajgs.org/members/members.html
JewishGen also hosts websites for (currently) 16 JGS organizations (although
the list does not include Salt Lake City).
http://www.jewishgen.org/JGS/


LEAVEY: tracing suspected (hoped-for) anusim roots in England #general

Jak Jaxan <jakobus1973@...>
 

Hi,

This is my first posting here in the group. I hope I am not breaking any of
the rules!

There are details in the family history and "family myth" which clearly
suggest Jewish ancestry on my paternal grandmother's side. In the process
of tracing the family tree we finally found something that makes a bit of
sense of this: ancestors in England with the surname "Leavey", which of
course can be an anglicised form of "Levi" - just as it can, I know, be an
anglicised form of a completely unrelated Gaelic name.

We have baptismal records dating back to the early 17th century in northern
England, but then they simply disappear >from the parish register, although
records are available >from earlier dates for the parish. This makes us
wonder if the Leavey family were in fact converts or crypto-Jews at that
time. We are talking about a time one or two generations before the
resettlement began under Oliver Cromwell.

There were practises in the family history that make this seem a little
more plausible; my father was brought up with many hygiene and culinary
rules that only really make sense in the context of crypto-Judaism, but
when my grandmother was asked about the reasons she refused to talk of it.

I hesitate to join the bandwagon of "typical Jewish appearance" that my
uncle identifies in family photographs in the Leavey line, because as an
active participant in my local synagogue and Jewish community (in the
process of conversion) I am fully aware that there is no such thing as a
typical Jewish appearance; nevertheless, I can see what my uncle is referring to.

My question, then, is this: can anyone provide any tips on how to further
our inquiries or how we could either confirm or disprove the suspicions we have?

I'd be grateful for any ideas!

Jak Jaxan

MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign your full name to all messages. You may wish
to visit the UK Special Interest Group on JewishGen.
http://www.jewishgen.org/JCR-UK/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LEAVEY: tracing suspected (hoped-for) anusim roots in England #general

Jak Jaxan <jakobus1973@...>
 

Hi,

This is my first posting here in the group. I hope I am not breaking any of
the rules!

There are details in the family history and "family myth" which clearly
suggest Jewish ancestry on my paternal grandmother's side. In the process
of tracing the family tree we finally found something that makes a bit of
sense of this: ancestors in England with the surname "Leavey", which of
course can be an anglicised form of "Levi" - just as it can, I know, be an
anglicised form of a completely unrelated Gaelic name.

We have baptismal records dating back to the early 17th century in northern
England, but then they simply disappear >from the parish register, although
records are available >from earlier dates for the parish. This makes us
wonder if the Leavey family were in fact converts or crypto-Jews at that
time. We are talking about a time one or two generations before the
resettlement began under Oliver Cromwell.

There were practises in the family history that make this seem a little
more plausible; my father was brought up with many hygiene and culinary
rules that only really make sense in the context of crypto-Judaism, but
when my grandmother was asked about the reasons she refused to talk of it.

I hesitate to join the bandwagon of "typical Jewish appearance" that my
uncle identifies in family photographs in the Leavey line, because as an
active participant in my local synagogue and Jewish community (in the
process of conversion) I am fully aware that there is no such thing as a
typical Jewish appearance; nevertheless, I can see what my uncle is referring to.

My question, then, is this: can anyone provide any tips on how to further
our inquiries or how we could either confirm or disprove the suspicions we have?

I'd be grateful for any ideas!

Jak Jaxan

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