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Re: Seeking help from a resident of Fremont, California
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Beverley Davis
A big thankyou to all the members of JewishGen who have contacted me. I now have the information I was seeking.
May we all get safely through the current world-wide emergency. Beverley Davis in Melbourne, Australia
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Re: #germany Kindertransport Relatives / Saxony / Chemnitz
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rv Kaplan
what was the original question? Harvey Kaplan Glasgow
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 20:45, Carole Shaw <carole.shaw1952@...> wrote:
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Re: Szmul vs Szlama
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Sandrine S
A nice fellow searcher has made me realized that I had not given any details about locations and languages used in the records... my mistake !
Actually my search has started here in France with a naturalization record which read Samuel as given name, born around 1885 in Biala Podlaska, Poland (actually stated "Russia" within the record). Then I found his death record, in Strasbourg, France, given name = Samuel, estimated birthdate 1883 (still same parents though...). Next finding, his marriage in Budapest, Hungary, given name = Sámuel Schmul, estimated birthdate 1884. In Biala Podlaska records, I has been able to find his parents birth and marriage records as well as all? his siblings birth records, but no trace of a Schmul or Szmul or even cyrillic Шмуль in any birth record around the estimated date. The most probable would be the birth record of Szlama (translation on JRI Poland database of the cyrillic Шляма), born 1887. Hoping this timeline would help. Regards, Sandrine Salson France
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Re: Can I assume ROSENBLUMs buried in Brisker cemetery section came from Brest?
Lin Mor
Unless you have proof in some other way to verify your theory, it is still a theory. But keep in mind that if it is not them, there is probably some connection. Case in point are my paternal grandparents. He was from Oshmyany and she was from Shchuchyn, both now in Belarus. Yet, they are buried in the Skidler Benevolent Association section of Beth David Cemetery, Elmont, NY. From research over time, including questioning very elderly relatives a long time ago, I learned that my grandmother's cousin, Elsie was married to Isodore Radin who came from Skidler. To make a long story short, my grandparents purchased two plots and are buried next to the Radins as well as Elsie's daughter, Frances Handsman and her husband.
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Re: Carol Skydell z"l
#JewishGenUpdates
Marion Werle
I wish I had known she had moved to California, as we lost touch years ago. Many years ago, on one of my first trips to visit my son, who had moved to MA, she invited me to stay with her for a couple of days on Martha's Vineyard. Her house (which was designed by her architect son) was gorgeous, located in the woods, and she took me on a tour that included the lifeguard tower where they filmed "Jaws" and the cemetery where John Belushi is buried. We also stopped for lunch at a great sandwich place, where we ran into the actress Patricia Neal (she was very old at the time), and James Taylor's mother, who lived on the Island. I knew Carol from her early days at JewishGen.
Thank you for sharing her obituary. Marion Werle (Confined at home in Los Angeles, CA)
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Re: #germany Kindertransport Relatives / Saxony / Chemnitz
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#holocaust
There have been numerous talks in GB given by surviving Kindertransportees during the past 18 months to commemorate the 80-year anniversary of Kristallnacht. Contact Jewish Museum, Association for Jewish Refugees, JW3, Wiener Library, Holocaust Memorial Day - all reachable by search on the web. They'll all be able to help. May not respond so quickly due to virus-related home working/closure. Carole Shaw, London UK SCHNEIDER: Kamanets Podolsk, Ukraine & Libava/ Libau/Liepaja, Latvia KLUGMAN, GOLDSCHMID (plus variations), BRAUER: Libava/Libau/Liepaja, Latvia & Johannesburg ROSENTHAL, ZUSCHNEIDER: Lublin, Poland GREENBERG, BRZOZA/BJOZHA, SOBERSKI: Lomza/Nowogrod, Poland SAMSON, BLIK: Amsterdam, Zandvoort, Holland
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Trees in the Snow
boris
I thought to title this post “Accidental Book Review” since I hardly ever write them so this is to share that a new book was published, which is an important, if not a must read, for those with roots in Russia/Ukraine/Soviet Union.
It is a memoir by Eva Smiller, who was 15 years old when Germany invaded the Soviet Union. Her family lived in a small town of Chudnov near Zhitomir. The family did not run away and was murdered by the Germans and Ukrainians, except for Eva who managed to escape. For two years, she was wondering through the countryside and in Kiev itself. She was betrayed to the Ukrainian police where the deputy chief wanted to shoot the damn kike right away but the chief begged him to let the girl go. She practically froze to death in the middle of a winter forest (hence the book title) but was saved by a peasant couple who happened to be walking by. She was betrayed again, to the Gestapo in Kiev, where she managed to convince the interrogating officer, despite the best efforts of his Ukrainian translator, that she was a simple Ukrainian girl, and thus was sent to Germany as an Ostarbeiter.
What was really surprising to me personally, was the warmth and kindness with which Eva Smiller described virtually all Germans whom she met in Berlin and a few other places.
After returning back to the Soviet Union Eva lived in Odessa. That’s where her son, Michael Lehrman, a good story teller in his own right, contributed to her story, putting it in a proper historical context and concluding with his account of their emigration and life in the United States.
The value of this book, in my opinion, is in the excellent description of the family life in the pre- and especially post-war Soviet Union. There are many published stories of survival. However, not many, at least not that I’ve seen in English, describe the dynamics of the family relationships among the survivors and the sufferings that ordinary people endured in the country which called itself a “workers’ paradise” and the “beacon of progressive mankind”. Even the process of emigration and early life in America are presented in an interesting and analytical way.
The book just became available on Amazon, at https://www.amazon.com/Trees_Snow_Eva_Smiller/dp/1733457216/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=eva+smiller&qid=1584814665&sr=8_1
· ISBN-10: 1733457216 · ISBN-13: 978-1733457217
It is also available at Barnes and Noble.
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Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932
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Glenda Rubin
Maybe the Grand Central Hotel, later renamed the Broadway Central Hotel. Grand, although maybe not as grand as the Waldorf-Astoria, but I remember an orthodox cousin's wedding there, so it had to be kosher. Per Wikipedia, it collapsed in 1973. Hope that might help. Glenda -- ========================================= |
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Re: Need help to find LDS film digital record from JGS Ukr database hyperlink
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Beautiful clear description, as always! Thanks.
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Re: New Mailing List Format
Peter Straus
I would urge my fellow GerSIGgers, or ex-GerSIGgers, to be patient with the JG staff and volunteers as the bugs get worked out of this new system. After all, we may all have gotten used to not typing umlauts or ß’s, but that hardly made the old system good or convenient, especially for communicating accurate spellings.
That said, one of the useful features of the old system was that the original message was posted underneath a reply, allowing us to reference what a reply was actually referencing. It would be helpful if this could be replicated in the new system. Alternatively, an option underneath the message posts might be to pull up all previous messages in a thread.
Let’s be patient and make this work for all of us!
--peter straus San Francisco
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Re: This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page
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Jill Whitehead
Up until 1919 and the WW1 Peace Settlement, and for most of the 19th century, Kalvaria was part of the Suwalki Lomza gubernias in NE Poland. Many people from Kalvaria and the other main towns in Suwalki Lomza emigrated to the UK, Sweden and France between about 1860 and 1880, as they lived close to the Baltic (on the borders with Konigsberg in East Prussia), which made it easier. Serwianski from Sejny and Lake Serwy, Servian from Liverpool
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Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932
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iwagner@...
I just searched The NY Times web site for “weddings,” limiting the search to the 1930s. The results had links to scanned imagines archived at timesmachine/nytimes.com. Some of the venues mentioned were Savoy-Plaza, Biltmore, Colony Club. Bermuda seemed to be a popular honeymoon destination. Reading about the social events was fascinating...certainly a different cultural time and place.
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Szmul vs Szlama
#names
Sandrine S
Dear Jewishgeners,
I wonder if it is common for a same individual to be named Szlama in his birth record and then Szmul in all other records (marriage + death record). Knowing that in each document the birth date is approximative I cannot be 100% sure it is the same person... Any clue about given name-swapping ? Regards, Sandrine Salson France
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I'd like to know their dates of birth and death and where in what is now Germany they were born
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My Great-Great-Grandparents
Levi Elsoffer ? ? Bertha Bickhardt ? ? had a daughter, one of my Great-Grandparents: Rosalea Elsoffer 1831-1907 born at Schwarzenau, Siegen-Wittgenstein, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany I am unable to find their dates of birth and/or death or where they were born or died, although I suspect death was in or around Schwarzenau. If you have clues or information about these individuals, please email me offline at torontorsh at gmail.com TorontoRSH ======================================================= <torontorsh@...> Copyright retained. My opinions - no one else's... If this is illegal where you are, do not read it! Canada's Fighting Internet & Wireless Spam Act applies. Retention of this message in violation of Canadian Privacy Laws will be prosecuted.
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Re: Hashtag
Dahn Cukier
Thank you for the link, I am adding it here too. https://blog.hootsuite.com/how-to-use-hashtags/ The article is about various social networks, but not mailing lists.. I am still confused by 2 subjects floating around, but connected. 1) If hastag, do I hashtag both John and Doe, or do I need to write both John Doe and #Johndoe? Some search engines will not find JohnDoe as John Doe, others will not find JohnDoe if it is written #JohnDoe - depending on the setups. 2) Which country do I use in Subject. What if I do not know which country a location was a part of. Yugoslavia or Serbia? To use today's geography, I will use my own location. Am I living in Israel, Palestine, West Bank (or WestBank), or Jordan? Do I need to know which year Jordan gave up the annexed West Bank and the same area became either Yehuda or maybe Samaria? Do people know where the border between Yehuda and Samaria is located? The signature is from an episode of Gunsmoke that I found relevant to genealogy where I have found mistakes not only in indexing, but various dates and name spellings on original official documents. Dahn Cukier Brieff, Brif, Cukier, Zucker, Sukar (and other names for sugar), Lisobetzki, Lesabici, Sklavir, Schlwir, etc. When you start to read readin, how do you know the fellow that wrote the readin, wrote the readin right? Festus Hagen Long Branch Saloon Dodge City, Kansas (Gunsmoke)
On Saturday, March 21, 2020, 02:39:02 AM GMT+2, Marvin Lauwasser via Groups.Jewishgen.Org <vin17246=aol.com@...> wrote: I'm a 74 year old with 3 decades of PC usage but never fully got into the social media thing (maybe a toe but not both feet). I too don't know how best to deploy a hashtag. It's seems quite searchable and I found this site on the general usage. https://blog.hootsuite.com/how-to-use-hashtags/ I wonder though if usage on the JewishGen Discussion Group has specific idiosyncrasies. I'm a novice in posting items so I'm not sure if this is going only to Shelley or the entire world of JG. If the latter, maybe some experienced hashtagger could OK the searched article and indicate how it'd work here. thanks Marvin Lauwasser Milwaukee LAUWASSER, WICHINSKY, AARON, COHN,ABRAMOWITZ, rEJOWIEC, SOKOLY
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Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932
#usa
donlondon1@...
The Waldorf
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Re: Can I assume ROSENBLUMs buried in Brisker cemetery section came from Brest?
Renee Steinig
Hi Judy, I saw on your tree on Ancestry that Jacob died in Nov. 1944. Indeed, that date falls within one of the periods for which New Jersey deaths are not indexed on Ancestry and FamilySearch, but the death record should be available. If you happen to live within range of Trenton, NJ, the best way to get it is to visit the NJ State Archives (https://libguides.njstatelib.org/genealogynjsl/njsa) -- once it reopens, that is; or find someone to search there for you. (The Archives doesn't respond to mail requests for that time period.) Alternatively, you should be able to order the record from the NJ Dept. of Health (https://www.state.nj.us/health/vital/order-vital/genealogical-records/). As Karen Schneider mentioned, a photograph of Jacob's grave might also be helpful. It may show Jacob's father's name, as part of his Hebrew name. It could also be interesting to know the Jewish name of your grandmother's brothers. Perhaps one was named for Jacob's father. (Per Annie Pistchal's death record on FamilySearch, her father was something like Churna. If Annie was indeed Jacob's sister, perhaps his son Charles was named for "Churna.") Annie P.'s grave at Mount Judah Cemetery is pictured on JewishData; unfortunately, it has no Hebrew inscriptions. As for the society on whose grounds Jacob and Anna are buried... It's the Brisker Unterstuetzungs Verein. A list of that landsmanshaft's members -- including your great-grandparents! -- is at https://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/lists/brisker_verein.htm . The society was formed by immigrants from what's now Brest, Belarus: https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1941830 . Renee Judy Kaufman <judykaufman7@...> wrote:
I am having a terrible time finding out where my great grandparents Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman come from. Their names are just too common - I find multiple people with those names and around their birth dates on ship logs, in JewishGen data bases, etc. And in censuses, marriage certificates, etc. they just say they're from "Russia."
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Re: Can I assume ROSENBLUMs buried in Brisker cemetery section came from Brest?
Karen <kgschneider@...>
Judy, I don't know if having a photograph of the headstones would assist, but I see Mount Zion offers to take pictures if you send or call them with the location of the graves. Findagrave does not have the locations, but the cemetery's own website did provide them. And perhaps the cemetery might also be able to answer your question about what "Brisker" is referring to. You did not give the dates that Jacob and Anna died, but I assume these are the correct locations because they are the only ones in the Brisker section that you mentioned.
Rosenblum, Jacob (Buried 12/1/1944) Location: 14R-7-60-627 Rosenblum, Anna (Buried 4/12/1938) Location:14R-7-22-627 You'll see you can pull these up from the Mount Zion database search function: http://www.mountzioncemetery.com/search.asp?type=interment And then Mt. Zion's write-up in the Findagrave cemetery contains directions for requesting the photographs through the cemetery. Of course, you can also request photographs through Findagrave, but I do not know how long that would take for such a large cemetery: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/65385/mount-zion-cemetery Good luck, Karen Gregar Schneider Researching: Gregar/Groger - Horepnik, Czechia and Amsterdam, New York Popper - Amsterdam, New York
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Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932
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Hi David,
I suggest looking at the social pages of The NY Times for that time period. If the bride and/or groom were well-to-do than there was often a detailed write-up which might include venue, names of guests, and descriptions of what the bride wore. Regards, Sherri Bobish, Princeton, NJ
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Re: Hashtag
I'm a 74 year old with 3 decades of PC usage but never fully got into the social media thing (maybe a toe but not both feet). I too don't know how best to deploy a hashtag. It's seems quite searchable and I found this site on the general usage.
https://blog.hootsuite.com/how-to-use-hashtags/ I wonder though if usage on the JewishGen Discussion Group has specific idiosyncrasies. I'm a novice in posting items so I'm not sure if this is going only to Shelley or the entire world of JG. If the latter, maybe some experienced hashtagger could OK the searched article and indicate how it'd work here. thanks Marvin Lauwasser Milwaukee LAUWASSER, WICHINSKY, AARON, COHN,ABRAMOWITZ, rEJOWIEC, SOKOLY
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