How would information about the deceased be an invasion to them?.  What is different from information developed from a headstone which could also provide leads to children, grandchildren, siblings, occupation, fraternal groups, tribe, age?
Memorial plaques give an another insight to our basis. 

As genealogists, we view this information as important to share, but not everyone is a genealogist. I wanted to document a small, private Jewish cemetery in my area several years ago, but the family that runs it declined to let me do so, because they didn't want the information to be posted online. I've also heard of Find A Grave volunteers being met with open hostility from people who didn't want their relatives' graves and information posted online. 

Even though we might not understand the reasoning behind their reluctance, I think we have to respect their feelings. 
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Hello
I found my maternal grandfather's birth certificate on the JRI database but I cannot make out the handwriting under his mother's name.  The information is on Line 98 and column 7 says his mother is Liba KITLER.  I can make out the first name of her father, Hersch,  but I cannot read his surname or make out the name of her mother.  If anyone can help, I'd be very, very grateful.
With thanks,
Karol Schlosser
Scotland

Hi Barbara
I have located the manifest for the return voyage, but can not find my grandparents on the outbound voyage.
I have letters my grandma wrote to her parents describing her journey on the SS Paris, and she dated her arrival letter on August 8th.
I feel that a page of the manifest might not have been scanned and is missing, and I am hoping to find a way to get it.
Any thoughts, the document resides in the UK.
Deborah

Hi Barbara. I have located the return voyage, but am having trouble with manifest from the SS Paris. I have found the manifest, but it appears to be missing pages. Trying to figure out how to find these missing pages. I am thinking they were not scanned.
Deborah

These plaques are terrific!  I managed the project in Massachusetts, where JGSGB has posted nearly 80,000 plaques on jewishgen, and is trying to expand to the other New England states. 

You might be interested in the origin of this project, which is clearly the younger sibiing of JOWBR.  It was the idea of Warren Blatt, the previous head of JewishGen (who came from Mass), who noticed that his parents had put up yahrzeit plaques for his grandparents, who never came to this country.

I strongly encourage genealogists in other states to undertake this work!

Carol Isenberg Clingan
Dedham MA

Moshe Beregovski transcribed a song by ear containing the words or name Tane Godl (as written according to YIVO standards which corresponds to the short a in "toni") in 1928 sung by Sh. Dobin, a scientific worker in Kiev, who learned it from his grandmother in about 1875 in Bobr, Belarus when she was 60 years old. It's the only verse he remembered. I myself think it could very well be a fragment of a long ballad sung centuries before by Jewish troubadours/minnesingers. As Beregovski notes Meylekh means both "king" as well as being a male first name. A Tane as pronounced in Yiddish tav-nun-alef was one of the tanoim, again as pronounced in Yiddish, who were sages during the first two centuries CE whose teachings are included in the Mishnah, so tane-godl (godl is Yiddish for Hebrew gadol) could mean "great teacher". Beregovski wrote that tane-godl means great secret. Beregovski noted that the meaning of the verse is quite obscure. In Mark Slobin's book "Old Jewish Folk Music" reprinting Beregovski's works you can find the music notes. For some reason I sing it often to myself.

The words are:

Meylekh hot geheysn khásene shpiln, khásene shpiln,

me shpilt un me shpilt mit groys gevéyn,

me shpilt un me shpilt mit groys geshréy.

Tane-godls tokhter vil nit Meylekhs zun,

Tane-godls tokhter vil nit Meylekhs zun.


In a loose translation:

Meylekh ordered wedding to be played,

They/We play and play with great weeping,

play and play with great shouting.

Tane-godl's daughter does not want Meylekh's son.

My father's brother, Reuben Amtzis, was very ill and hospitalized as he was trying to leave Russia at the end of WWII. The family lost touch with him. He was born around 1910 in Okopy, currently Ukraine. Any information about how to found out what happened to him and his family would be greatly appreciated.

The Jewishgen Given Names Database will give you some more ideas https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/search.htm. There is a DM Soundex option that is often worth using.

Note that you can search using different European origin countries.   Lithuania will usually give you more possibilities than Belarus. 
* For Lithuania under "Gedalia" there are:  Charles / Daniel / Gedaliah / George / Gilbert / Gustav / Jacob / Julius / Harry.
* For Belarus:   George / Gilbert.

Under Hinda,  find Anna / Hanna / Helen / Hilda /HINDA / Ida / Irma / Sylvia.  

One might expect sometimes therefore also to see variants of these as time passed; so for Anna:  Anne, Anny, Annie, Fanny, Fannie and so on; for Ida:  Idel, Ita, Itel, Etel, Ethel, Ethyl.  

People could always choose to use completely unrelated names:  I have one "Chaim Mendel" who in the end settled on "Arthur Emanuel".    

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Paul Hattori
London UK

SHADUR, SADUR, SHADER, SADER, CHADOUR, SADOUR, SHADOUR,  SZADUR from Salakas, Lithuania
MINDEL, MINDELL from Utena and Vyzuonos, Lithuania
FELLER from Pabrade, Lithuania

Although I always knew her as Hinda, my father's aunt, who came to the US in 1933, is shown on the passenger manifest as Genia and was known to her immediate family (don't know about her friends) as Jenny

I have many family members, parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles at Mount Judah.  They are all buried at the Sefardim of Harlem plot.  I notice that many 'plots' have plaques....  Have you considered contacting family members of those buried near your grandparents.  Hope this helps.  

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 09:27 PM, Dr.Josef ASH wrote:

Written in Russian: "Russian Bapthise Sosciety on the day of founding - Varna 17 IV 1932"

I believe it's "Varpa" in the last pictures, which ties in with there being a Latvian Baptist community in Varpa, Brazil.  The greenery and some indigenous faces also point at that.  Perhaps the poster's Ukrainian ancestors joined that community. 

best,
Roman

I wonder, if it is any interest to you:

My mother-in-law's father was Izsak-Yitchok Yaakov Friedmann    --a Kohen- son of   Dayan, Harav Zvi HaKohen Friedmann from Beregszasz? Kezmarok? 

Izsak,-- Yitchok Yaakov Friedmann was a 'Sochet' in OZD-Hungary--before the War--His wife was Sarah Felberbaum--I am not aware--it might be that Sarah had a secular name as well.

OZD is near Miskolc.

I am not aware that they lived in Wien  or not, or if they had a restaurant or not.

On a different note: I also like to mention that  to my knowledge, there was  a Nadudvar  ?  or Nadudvari ? in Hungary as well.

Best wishes to you all and wishing you success in your research.

Veronika Pachtinger

Gedalia could have become George.  Hinda often became Anna or Hannah.  But they could have chosen any names they liked, whether or not they sounded similar to what they had.

How would information about the deceased be an invasion to them?.  What is different from information developed from a headstone which could also provide leads to children, grandchildren, siblings, occupation, fraternal groups, tribe, age?
Memorial plaques give an another insight to our basis. 

Daniel Martin
Delanco, NJ

Hi Roberta
Your comment about reverting back to the patronymic surname is very interesting, because Jewish people had to register a name in 1811 during the French occupation of the Netherlands. Abraham Levy Joel VOGEL was also known as Albert Leopold VOGEL. He was born on 1 June 1796 in The Hague and is reputed to have died on 18 Feb 1855 in Cleveland, Ohio. His father was Levy Joel VOGEL, born about 1748 in Amsterdam and died on 23 Nov 1833 in The Hague. His father was Joel [Samuel] Levy [VOGEL], born about 1714 in Amsterdam [?] and died on 10 Mar 1771 in The Hague. 
Levy Joel VOGEL had been named Levy Joel when he registered the VOGEL name on 31 Dec 1811 [see p. 94 of the publication "Naamsaanneming en behoud door Hoogduitse Joden in 1811" by Sv E Veldhuijzen, published in The Hague 1982]. At the registration, he recorded his son Abraham Levy Joel, then 16 years old.
Would Abraham Levy Joel VOGEL have reverted to Abraham Levy Joel, once in the USA?
Looking forward to your comments.
Nick Lambrechtsen, NZ

Hi Daniela,

I found them in the National Archives online Catalog  https://catalog.archives.gov, which is a little different than the National Archives website itself.

At the catalog I searched initially for "Supreme Court of Washington, DC," then narrowed my results to "series" of records.  I opened a few results before finding one showing that exact court name as the "creator" or originator of the records, then clicked on that court name to list all the records of that entity.  In those results I found what appear to be the pertinent records.  I hope that explanation made sense.

Marian Smith