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Naming of first-born after grandfather's death #galicia

David Scriven
 

Dear All,

I've noted a pattern in the records of my family: if the husband's father
dies, the first-born male after this event will be given the same name
as the (deceased) grandfather. I'm guessing that this was a tradition -
but was it among all Jews in Galicia, or among a specific group? Was
it seen outside Galicia?

Apart >from the difficulties for genealogists of having people with the
same name every 2nd generation, was it enough of a rule/tradition
that the reverse inference can be made?

My g-g-grandparents had a child named Abraham Isac Pomeranz 3
months after the death of an Abraham Isak Pomeranz (at age 52) >from
my g-g-grandfather's home town (Stryy). How likely is it that Abraham
Isak Pomeranz is actually my g-g-g-grandfather?

David Scriven
Researching RUSS, POMERANZ, ACHTEL, WANG, SINGER


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Naming of first-born after grandfather's death #galicia

David Scriven
 

Dear All,

I've noted a pattern in the records of my family: if the husband's father
dies, the first-born male after this event will be given the same name
as the (deceased) grandfather. I'm guessing that this was a tradition -
but was it among all Jews in Galicia, or among a specific group? Was
it seen outside Galicia?

Apart >from the difficulties for genealogists of having people with the
same name every 2nd generation, was it enough of a rule/tradition
that the reverse inference can be made?

My g-g-grandparents had a child named Abraham Isac Pomeranz 3
months after the death of an Abraham Isak Pomeranz (at age 52) >from
my g-g-grandfather's home town (Stryy). How likely is it that Abraham
Isak Pomeranz is actually my g-g-g-grandfather?

David Scriven
Researching RUSS, POMERANZ, ACHTEL, WANG, SINGER


The APOTHEKER-LANDAU Connection in Nowy Sacz A Breakthrough #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Siggers,

I am glad to update you that after a long journey of more than six years
we managed to solve one of our family's mysteries.

Along the way I committed several unnecessary mistakes and
omissions but with the help and the professionalism of the SIG's
members I was guided in the right avenue. The only fact we knew was
that my wife's great grandfather Isac Saul APOTHEKER was born in
1831 in Nowy Sacz and married a certain Lea LANDAU around 1850.
There are no BMDs for this early period and of course LANDAU is a
huge tribe. It was only after an unknown descendant of the
APOTHEKER family provided me with a reference >from a Rabbinical
literature indicating that Isac Saul married the granddaughter of Rabbi
Baruch SEGA"L LANDA who was the Av Beth Din of Nowy Sacz and
environs. Another experienced Sigger with a sharp eye found in Geni
an entry for Rabbi Baruch Ha Levi LANDAU and his son Judah Leib Ha
Levi LANDAU. Comparison of the given names of the children confirms
the pattern of lineage in both families. Other Siggers provided useful
suggestions and further reference to Rabbinical literature and
discussion groups in Yiddish.

Thank you all!!!

Annette and Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia The APOTHEKER-LANDAU Connection in Nowy Sacz A Breakthrough #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Siggers,

I am glad to update you that after a long journey of more than six years
we managed to solve one of our family's mysteries.

Along the way I committed several unnecessary mistakes and
omissions but with the help and the professionalism of the SIG's
members I was guided in the right avenue. The only fact we knew was
that my wife's great grandfather Isac Saul APOTHEKER was born in
1831 in Nowy Sacz and married a certain Lea LANDAU around 1850.
There are no BMDs for this early period and of course LANDAU is a
huge tribe. It was only after an unknown descendant of the
APOTHEKER family provided me with a reference >from a Rabbinical
literature indicating that Isac Saul married the granddaughter of Rabbi
Baruch SEGA"L LANDA who was the Av Beth Din of Nowy Sacz and
environs. Another experienced Sigger with a sharp eye found in Geni
an entry for Rabbi Baruch Ha Levi LANDAU and his son Judah Leib Ha
Levi LANDAU. Comparison of the given names of the children confirms
the pattern of lineage in both families. Other Siggers provided useful
suggestions and further reference to Rabbinical literature and
discussion groups in Yiddish.

Thank you all!!!

Annette and Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Re: name translation help

Sarah L Meyer
 

Have you checked the given names database on Jewishgen.org for suggestions?  Also remember that when you look in the US censuses there were times when Poland did not exist, it was either Russia (eastern and central) or Germany/Prussia (western).  Many people Americanized their names by using the first letter.  I have seen many instances of the name Sam when the Hebrew/Yiddish name was not Shmuel.  No idea of Filda - could the name have been Tilda?


deep ancestry of the Maharal #rabbinic

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

On Geni, I am proposing to sever the deep ancestry of the Maharal, which
appears to be invented and without any reasonable source. I am sure
people will be upset, but if you disagree, please follow the discussion
at https://www.geni.com/discussions/194554 and add some sources to the
profiles.

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic deep ancestry of the Maharal #rabbinic

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

On Geni, I am proposing to sever the deep ancestry of the Maharal, which
appears to be invented and without any reasonable source. I am sure
people will be upset, but if you disagree, please follow the discussion
at https://www.geni.com/discussions/194554 and add some sources to the
profiles.

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Re: Statistics on Conversos #sephardic

douglasturner@...
 

The subject of these statistics is very much a "Who knows?" question and one
typically sees a range of estimates.

Here are some estimates >from Wikipedia "Expulsion of Jews >from Spain"
providing a timeline as much as anything.

The Alhambra Decree aka Edict of Expulsion was issued March 31, 1492, to
take effect on Tisha B'Av, 1492, which it did.

More than half of Spain's Jews had converted in 1391 due to persecutions and
pogroms. Wikipedia "History of the Jews in Spain" put this number at
300,000 converts.

Because of "continuing attacks" 50,000 more had converted by 1415. Wikipedia
"Expulsion of Jews >from Spain" numbers the total converts >from 1391 to 1492
at 200,000.

Between 40,000 and 100,000 Jewish Spaniards were expelled in 1492. "An
unknown number returned to Spain in the following years" (Wikipedia
"Expulsion of Jews >from Spain"). The numbers expelled would constitute a
human tidal wave in any era.

Likewise the number of today's descendants of converts who remained in Spain
in 1492 must be considerable.

I saw a very imprecise map showing where the expelled migrated. There was
one arrow >from northern Spain to somewhere in southern England. The note
stated some were forced to return >from England to Spain where they
converted.

There was no record given of those who did not return to Spain >from England
which was already officially Judenrein in 1492. Presumably those remaining
in England were forced to convert in England and assimilated there.

It is a little known fact that Sicily was under the control of Spain in 1492
and the Jews of Sicily suffered the same fate at the Jews of Spain but in
1493.

An estimated 36,000 Sicilian Jews were expelled in 1493 (Wikipedia "History
of the Jews of Sicily and the Spanish Inquisition"). An unknown number
accepted conversion to remain in Sicily.

An interesting article "Surnames of the former Jews of Sicily" states "After
the edict of expulsion part of the Jewish population converted. These are
some surnames adopted by Jews after the conversion." Hundreds of names are
listed.

The Inquisition in Spain was abolished in 1820s-1830s. The last Inquisition
trial in Brazil I could find noted was in 1763.

I have learned of an annual festival on one of the Portuguese islands when
men dress in pointed black hoods and black robes to mingle among the crowds.
This appears to be a form of modern intimidation.

Likewise I learned of an annual festival in Ecuador when effigies are
burned. People tease one another saying "I will burn you!" This also
appears to be not so subtle intimidation.

Family Tree DNA found that an astonishing percentage of Latin American men,
presumably not Jewish, testing there have the Cohen Modal Haplotype
indicating they are descendants of Aaron the brother of Moses.

If so many Latin American males are Cohen, what are the rest?

Doug Turner


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Re: Statistics on Conversos #sephardic

douglasturner@...
 

The subject of these statistics is very much a "Who knows?" question and one
typically sees a range of estimates.

Here are some estimates >from Wikipedia "Expulsion of Jews >from Spain"
providing a timeline as much as anything.

The Alhambra Decree aka Edict of Expulsion was issued March 31, 1492, to
take effect on Tisha B'Av, 1492, which it did.

More than half of Spain's Jews had converted in 1391 due to persecutions and
pogroms. Wikipedia "History of the Jews in Spain" put this number at
300,000 converts.

Because of "continuing attacks" 50,000 more had converted by 1415. Wikipedia
"Expulsion of Jews >from Spain" numbers the total converts >from 1391 to 1492
at 200,000.

Between 40,000 and 100,000 Jewish Spaniards were expelled in 1492. "An
unknown number returned to Spain in the following years" (Wikipedia
"Expulsion of Jews >from Spain"). The numbers expelled would constitute a
human tidal wave in any era.

Likewise the number of today's descendants of converts who remained in Spain
in 1492 must be considerable.

I saw a very imprecise map showing where the expelled migrated. There was
one arrow >from northern Spain to somewhere in southern England. The note
stated some were forced to return >from England to Spain where they
converted.

There was no record given of those who did not return to Spain >from England
which was already officially Judenrein in 1492. Presumably those remaining
in England were forced to convert in England and assimilated there.

It is a little known fact that Sicily was under the control of Spain in 1492
and the Jews of Sicily suffered the same fate at the Jews of Spain but in
1493.

An estimated 36,000 Sicilian Jews were expelled in 1493 (Wikipedia "History
of the Jews of Sicily and the Spanish Inquisition"). An unknown number
accepted conversion to remain in Sicily.

An interesting article "Surnames of the former Jews of Sicily" states "After
the edict of expulsion part of the Jewish population converted. These are
some surnames adopted by Jews after the conversion." Hundreds of names are
listed.

The Inquisition in Spain was abolished in 1820s-1830s. The last Inquisition
trial in Brazil I could find noted was in 1763.

I have learned of an annual festival on one of the Portuguese islands when
men dress in pointed black hoods and black robes to mingle among the crowds.
This appears to be a form of modern intimidation.

Likewise I learned of an annual festival in Ecuador when effigies are
burned. People tease one another saying "I will burn you!" This also
appears to be not so subtle intimidation.

Family Tree DNA found that an astonishing percentage of Latin American men,
presumably not Jewish, testing there have the Cohen Modal Haplotype
indicating they are descendants of Aaron the brother of Moses.

If so many Latin American males are Cohen, what are the rest?

Doug Turner


Descendants of SCHLAMA/SHLOMO/SALOMON TEICHER #poland #austria-czech #galicia

Leah and Eli Teicher
 

Dear Genners,
SCHLAMA TEICHER/SCHLOMO/SALOMON TEICHER (1870-1932) lived and died in RUDNIK nad Sanem 
or in ZALUCE both  in Galicia, Poland.His parents CHUNE TEICHER and GITTEL KRAMER .
All this data is from JRI Poland. CHUNE and GITTEL  were also the parents of my husband's paternal grandfather.

It will be braking a wall finding his descendants.

The main Holocaust archives were searched carefully, so a the data provided in JG, Gesher Galicia and Bad Arolsen Archive.
If there are descendants they might be 2nd cousins to my husband, since there is no extended family.

Any idea what to do? How to find them?
Thanks,
Leah Teicher
anafa-e@... 


Searching for SCHLIESZER in Sombor

Amit N
 

Hello all,

I am trying to find information regarding a SCHLIESZER family from
Sombor, present day Serbia.
Specifically I am interested in the family of Sandor SCHLIESZER who
married at one time Berta SINGER (b. 1877). In an uncommon step for
that time, they divorced - were there records for such an act? They
apparently had two children together: Erzsebet and Imre.
If anyone has some information about them I would be very grateful.

Best regards,
Amit Naor
Israel


Re: name translation help

Eleanor Richmond
 

Deanna Levinsky:
Yiddish-German name=   
Ella    Elka      English might be Elsie or mine is Eleanor



Re: name translation help

malka_f1
 


Szywa  could be the Polish/Jewish name: Cywia?

Regards
Malka (London, UK)


Re: name translation help

Deanna Levinsky
 

Not a Polish first name, maybe Russian 


Re: name translation help

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

It’s a good idea to include the link to the document to which you refer (or a screen shot). I checked for a manifest and located this one on A. 

                       

I do not see a wife named Srzwa. However, I do see SZYWA, which might be Sheva.  
  
Searching for the family in census records, I find them on the 1925 NY State Census:
      Jacob, wife Shewa,, dtrs Sonia and Klara (Shewa mistranscribed as Iowa, Sonia as Lonio!!

The third child is on not the 1925 census…  and I have no idea what FIRLA or FIKLA might be.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:23 AM, Trudy Barch <cousintrudy@...> wrote:
Jankiel and Srzwa Rosenbaum and their children Sonia, Klara, Filda immigrated from Poland around 1920 to New York.
Any suggestions what SRZWA AND FILDA could be in America?
Where could I possibly look to find a Polish or Russia translation of names?


name translation help

Trudy Barch
 

Jankiel and Srzwa Rosenbaum and their children Sonia, Klara, Filda immigrated from Poland around 1920 to New York.

Any suggestions what SRZWA AND FILDA could be in America?

Where could I possibly look to find a Polish or Russia translation of names?

Thank you,   Trudy Barch,  FLorida


Searching for Switzerland 1938 information about Bernhard SIGAL [a fleeing refugee from Vienna] #germany

Selma Sheridan
 

Please help me to find information about my father's stay in Switzerland in
summer 1938. Bernhard SIGAL was a medical student at University of Vienna.
On 11 July 1938, the day before he was to be sent to Dachau, he fled from
Vienna to German- speaking St. Gallen in neutral Switzerland, although he
knew no one there. (He could not convince his parents to leave, and they
perished in 1941.)

Here is what my father told me about his stay in Switzerland. He crawled
over a bridge near the border, bullets flying overhead. He stayed in the
"bridal suite" of a hotel in St. Gallen on the first night, as all other
rooms were occupied, and the hotel owner took pity on him. He was
penniless, and received some money >from "the Rothschilds". After about 2
weeks somewhere in Switzerland, he received a letter >from his parents,
saying the SA had come to arrest him the day after he fled; he did not say
if he wrote back to them. He crossed >from Switzerland into France, and
reached the home of his cousins in Lens, Nord Pas-de-Calais.

This is how I have searched so far, in 2002: Schweizerisches Bundesarchiv,
Bern - they had only his name, and that he arrived and left in 1938, so he
must have reported twice to an official organization. Staatsarchiv, St.
Gallen - no documents. Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich - no
information. I have not read Henry Spira's 2010 book, "Daily Events at the
Jurassic frontier 1939-1945", since it seems to exclude 1938.

Questions: How and where would Jewish refugees seek financial aid >from the
Rothchilds in Switzerland? Does the Swiss Rothschild family have contact
information, or historical records? Or was it the Montefiore family, or
another charitable organization? Were there transit camps for refugees?
How could my father receive mail >from his parents, since they did not know
his address? Were there organizations which helped refugees to exchange
mail? What is the likeliest place where my father could have crossed the
border illegally >from Switzerland into France?

Is it worth contacting the 3 Swiss organizations above for updates? Are
there other organizations which have kept records about Jewish refugees to
Switzerland in 1938? Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Many thanks in advance,

Selma Sigal Sheridan, Oswego NY ssherida@...


German SIG #Germany Searching for Switzerland 1938 information about Bernhard SIGAL [a fleeing refugee from Vienna] #germany

Selma Sheridan
 

Please help me to find information about my father's stay in Switzerland in
summer 1938. Bernhard SIGAL was a medical student at University of Vienna.
On 11 July 1938, the day before he was to be sent to Dachau, he fled from
Vienna to German- speaking St. Gallen in neutral Switzerland, although he
knew no one there. (He could not convince his parents to leave, and they
perished in 1941.)

Here is what my father told me about his stay in Switzerland. He crawled
over a bridge near the border, bullets flying overhead. He stayed in the
"bridal suite" of a hotel in St. Gallen on the first night, as all other
rooms were occupied, and the hotel owner took pity on him. He was
penniless, and received some money >from "the Rothschilds". After about 2
weeks somewhere in Switzerland, he received a letter >from his parents,
saying the SA had come to arrest him the day after he fled; he did not say
if he wrote back to them. He crossed >from Switzerland into France, and
reached the home of his cousins in Lens, Nord Pas-de-Calais.

This is how I have searched so far, in 2002: Schweizerisches Bundesarchiv,
Bern - they had only his name, and that he arrived and left in 1938, so he
must have reported twice to an official organization. Staatsarchiv, St.
Gallen - no documents. Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich - no
information. I have not read Henry Spira's 2010 book, "Daily Events at the
Jurassic frontier 1939-1945", since it seems to exclude 1938.

Questions: How and where would Jewish refugees seek financial aid >from the
Rothchilds in Switzerland? Does the Swiss Rothschild family have contact
information, or historical records? Or was it the Montefiore family, or
another charitable organization? Were there transit camps for refugees?
How could my father receive mail >from his parents, since they did not know
his address? Were there organizations which helped refugees to exchange
mail? What is the likeliest place where my father could have crossed the
border illegally >from Switzerland into France?

Is it worth contacting the 3 Swiss organizations above for updates? Are
there other organizations which have kept records about Jewish refugees to
Switzerland in 1938? Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Many thanks in advance,

Selma Sigal Sheridan, Oswego NY ssherida@...


KATZ, Watchmaker in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, originally from Jamnica, Galicia #galicia

Shlomo Katz
 

My great-grandmother's sister and brother-in-law Chaja Rechel (nee
LAST) and Joseph KATZ lived in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn,
N.Y. in the 1920s. They came to America >from Jamnica, Galicia, near
Tarnobrzeg. Joseph was a watchmaker.

I am searching for their descendants.

Shlomo Katz

REISS - Radomysl nad Sanem, Galicia and surroundings
LAST - Jamnica, Galicia and surroundings


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia KATZ, Watchmaker in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, originally from Jamnica, Galicia #galicia

Shlomo Katz
 

My great-grandmother's sister and brother-in-law Chaja Rechel (nee
LAST) and Joseph KATZ lived in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn,
N.Y. in the 1920s. They came to America >from Jamnica, Galicia, near
Tarnobrzeg. Joseph was a watchmaker.

I am searching for their descendants.

Shlomo Katz

REISS - Radomysl nad Sanem, Galicia and surroundings
LAST - Jamnica, Galicia and surroundings