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Re: Gnesen, Prussia Records in Germany #germany

Alexander Sharon <olek.sharon@...>
 

Helene Kenvin wrote:
I am looking for vital records for the Jewish community in Gnesen, Prussia (now
Gniezno, Poland) before the mid-19th century. According to JRI-Poland, there
are very few such records in Poland. Does anyone know in which German archives
these records might be?
Helene,

Jewish records in Poznan (ex Posen) State Archives for Gniezno cover
the following years:

Marriages: 1840-1845 and 1847-1848
Births: 1823-1845 and 1847-1848
Deaths: 1840-1845 and 1847-1848

It appears that the the earliest Roman Catholic (>from 1812) and Protestant (>from
1802) records for Gniezno are also located in Poznan State Archives. Perhaps
Archives located in Germany do not have Gniezno records.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Gnesen, Prussia Records in Germany #general

Alexander Sharon <olek.sharon@...>
 

Helene Kenvin wrote:
I am looking for vital records for the Jewish community in Gnesen, Prussia (now
Gniezno, Poland) before the mid-19th century. According to JRI-Poland, there
are very few such records in Poland. Does anyone know in which German archives
these records might be?
Helene,

Jewish records in Poznan (ex Posen) State Archives for Gniezno cover
the following years:

Marriages: 1840-1845 and 1847-1848
Births: 1823-1845 and 1847-1848
Deaths: 1840-1845 and 1847-1848

It appears that the the earliest Roman Catholic (>from 1812) and Protestant (>from
1802) records for Gniezno are also located in Poznan State Archives. Perhaps
Archives located in Germany do not have Gniezno records.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB


Viewmate - Do you recognize these people or their names? Butler, PA #general

Marian Merritt <mmerritt@...>
 

I've posted two photos taken in Oklahoma City in October, 1944 during a visit >from
some relatives. The cousins, Libbie and Adelaide, are shown as coming >from Butler,
PA and neither is known to me and I'd like to determine who they were. The other
people in the photos are my maternal grandparents, Paul and Bertha Byers and their
daughter, Frances (my mother).

I can't read their last names. Can you? It is on ViewMate at the following address
... http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM26949

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.


Marian Merritt
Los Angeles, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate - Do you recognize these people or their names? Butler, PA #general

Marian Merritt <mmerritt@...>
 

I've posted two photos taken in Oklahoma City in October, 1944 during a visit >from
some relatives. The cousins, Libbie and Adelaide, are shown as coming >from Butler,
PA and neither is known to me and I'd like to determine who they were. The other
people in the photos are my maternal grandparents, Paul and Bertha Byers and their
daughter, Frances (my mother).

I can't read their last names. Can you? It is on ViewMate at the following address
... http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM26949

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.


Marian Merritt
Los Angeles, CA


VM26948 Hebrew? Yiddish translation #general

Jean Marck
 

This is a birth record >from Cherkassy >from 1893-94. Please translate and what
might be the Americanized version of the given name. Thanks

Jean Marck
La Crosse, WI 54601
jeanm2332@charter.net

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM26948 Hebrew? Yiddish translation #general

Jean Marck
 

This is a birth record >from Cherkassy >from 1893-94. Please translate and what
might be the Americanized version of the given name. Thanks

Jean Marck
La Crosse, WI 54601
jeanm2332@charter.net

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Naturalization Papers: Harris Cohen #general

Marilyn Robinson
 

I received copies of naturalization papers for Harris COHEN (1871), NY Supreme
Court: Petition #C500, Vol. # 219. If this is your ancestor, please contact me
privately. I had requested papers for "Morris" Cohen---

--The cover page says, "Morris" but copies of the original paperwork (both
handwritten & typed) says "Harris" Cohen/Cohn---

--Also his former foreign residence is written as "Kamenetz" (Russia) with another
word or abbreviation, possibly "Lit", so I'm not sure if this is Kamenetz-Litovsk
or Kamenetz-Podolsk---I am confused!!!

Occupation: Vender
Arrived from: Kamenetz to NY July or January (?) 15, 1893
Intention to become citizen filed: Nov. (?) 21, 1896, residence: 198_____St.

Residence: 266 Broome St., NY, NY (1903)
Petition Filed: April 14, 1903
Witness: David Eisner--83 Allen St (Vender)
Affidavits, etc. filed, Naturalized: May 18, 1903

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naturalization Papers: Harris Cohen #general

Marilyn Robinson
 

I received copies of naturalization papers for Harris COHEN (1871), NY Supreme
Court: Petition #C500, Vol. # 219. If this is your ancestor, please contact me
privately. I had requested papers for "Morris" Cohen---

--The cover page says, "Morris" but copies of the original paperwork (both
handwritten & typed) says "Harris" Cohen/Cohn---

--Also his former foreign residence is written as "Kamenetz" (Russia) with another
word or abbreviation, possibly "Lit", so I'm not sure if this is Kamenetz-Litovsk
or Kamenetz-Podolsk---I am confused!!!

Occupation: Vender
Arrived from: Kamenetz to NY July or January (?) 15, 1893
Intention to become citizen filed: Nov. (?) 21, 1896, residence: 198_____St.

Residence: 266 Broome St., NY, NY (1903)
Petition Filed: April 14, 1903
Witness: David Eisner--83 Allen St (Vender)
Affidavits, etc. filed, Naturalized: May 18, 1903

Marilyn Robinson
Florida


Re: Austria-Czech SIG events at Boston IAJGS Conference #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Missed one program on the Czech Torah >from Miroslav by Chuck Weinstein.
Looks like we have another great lineup.

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Sunday 3:15 to 4:30 pm
Thomas Furth. 245 Telegrams to a Wedding in Vienna 1907.

Sunday 4:45 PM - 6 PM
Paul King. The Notorious Familianten Decree of 1726. Was it Enforced?

Tuesday 8:15 Am -9:30 AM
Dr Lenka Matusikova. Registry Districts of Jewish Religious Communities
of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia.

Tuesday 9:45 Am - 11 AM
Austria Czech SIG Meeting

Tuesday 11:15 - 12:30 PM
Dr Lenka Matusikova. Digitized Archival Holdings Concerning the History
of the Jewish Population of Bohemia and Moravia

Tuesday 12:30 PM- 2 PM
Austria Czech SIG Lunch
Randy Schoenberg, Speaker

Tuesday 3:30-4:45 PM
Chuck Weinstein. The Miroslav Holocaust Torah Project


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Austria-Czech SIG events at Boston IAJGS Conference #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Missed one program on the Czech Torah >from Miroslav by Chuck Weinstein.
Looks like we have another great lineup.

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Sunday 3:15 to 4:30 pm
Thomas Furth. 245 Telegrams to a Wedding in Vienna 1907.

Sunday 4:45 PM - 6 PM
Paul King. The Notorious Familianten Decree of 1726. Was it Enforced?

Tuesday 8:15 Am -9:30 AM
Dr Lenka Matusikova. Registry Districts of Jewish Religious Communities
of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia.

Tuesday 9:45 Am - 11 AM
Austria Czech SIG Meeting

Tuesday 11:15 - 12:30 PM
Dr Lenka Matusikova. Digitized Archival Holdings Concerning the History
of the Jewish Population of Bohemia and Moravia

Tuesday 12:30 PM- 2 PM
Austria Czech SIG Lunch
Randy Schoenberg, Speaker

Tuesday 3:30-4:45 PM
Chuck Weinstein. The Miroslav Holocaust Torah Project


Austria-Czech SIG events at Boston IAJGS Conference #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

The following Austria-Czech SIG presentations/events have been confirmed
at the IAGJS conference in Boston August 4-9. 2013
http://www.iajgs2013.org

Please send a message to the SIG list to tell us that you will be
attending the conference. Vera Finberg will again be coordinating our
events.

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Sunday 3:15 to 4:30 pm
Thomas Furth. 245 Telegrams to a Wedding in Vienna 1907.

Sunday 4:45 PM - 6 PM
Paul King. The Notorious Familianten Decree of 1726. Was it Enforced?

Tuesday 8:15 Am -9:30 AM
Dr Lenka Matusikova. Registry Districts of Jewish Religious Communities
of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia.

Tuesday 9:45 Am - 11 AM
Austria Czech SIG Meeting

Tuesday 11:15 - 12:30 PM
Dr Lenka Matusikova. Digitized Archival Holdings Concerning the History
of the Jewish Population of Bohemia and Moravia

Tuesday 12:30 PM- 2 PM
Austria Czech SIG Lunch
Randy Schoenberg, Speaker


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Austria-Czech SIG events at Boston IAJGS Conference #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

The following Austria-Czech SIG presentations/events have been confirmed
at the IAGJS conference in Boston August 4-9. 2013
http://www.iajgs2013.org

Please send a message to the SIG list to tell us that you will be
attending the conference. Vera Finberg will again be coordinating our
events.

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Sunday 3:15 to 4:30 pm
Thomas Furth. 245 Telegrams to a Wedding in Vienna 1907.

Sunday 4:45 PM - 6 PM
Paul King. The Notorious Familianten Decree of 1726. Was it Enforced?

Tuesday 8:15 Am -9:30 AM
Dr Lenka Matusikova. Registry Districts of Jewish Religious Communities
of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia.

Tuesday 9:45 Am - 11 AM
Austria Czech SIG Meeting

Tuesday 11:15 - 12:30 PM
Dr Lenka Matusikova. Digitized Archival Holdings Concerning the History
of the Jewish Population of Bohemia and Moravia

Tuesday 12:30 PM- 2 PM
Austria Czech SIG Lunch
Randy Schoenberg, Speaker


International Conference on Jewish Genealogy Speakers #austria-czech

Florence Schumacher, Boston 2013 Publicity Chair
 

A rich and varied roster of speakers will be presenting during
the five and a half days of the 33rd IAJGS International
Conference on Jewish Genealogy to be held in Boston beginning
August 4.

Attendees will be able to choose >from 250 programs on seven
different tracks covering a wide range of topics including a
beginner's track on August 4/5, as well as computer tracks and a
film festival. The preliminary program (subject to change) will
be posted on the conference website on Tuesday, April 16th
(http://www.iajgs2013.org/program_schedule.cfm).

Many IAJGS Lifetime Achievement award winners, the luminaries of
Jewish genealogy, will give talks, including Steve Morse, Miriam
Weiner, Peter Lande, Jeff Malka, Hal Bookbinder, Warren Blatt,
Michael Tobias, and Stanley Diamond. Archivists >from Belgium, the
Czech Republic, Hungary, Israel, and Ukraine will be giving the
latest information about doing research in their countries.
Historians and experts >from England, Germany, Ireland, Lithuania,
Poland, Spain, Sweden, and the U.S. will provide the historical
context to our ancestors' lives and the methodologies to find them.

Unique to the Boston location of the conference will be several
talented local experts who have never presented at previous IAJGS
conferences. The keynote speaker will be Aaron Lanksy, the famous
and dynamic founder of the Yiddish Book Center in Amherst, MA.
Ellen Smith, co-author of The Jews of Boston and a well-known
historian, museum curator, and professor at Brandeis University,
will give a talk as well as conduct walking tours of Boston's
Jewish historical sites. Sharon Pucker Rivo, Director of the
National Center for Jewish Film at Brandeis University, will
present "Jews in Focus" about the important Jewish role in film.
Genealogical researchin the New England states will be featured,
including immigration to the Port of Boston.

The annual Lucille Gudis Memorial Lecture, sponsored by the Jewish
Genealogical Society of New York, will feature two noted historians,
Annie Polland, Education Vice President at the Tenement Museum in
New York, and Daniel Soyer, professor at Fordham University. They
are co-authors of Emerging Metropolis -- the second volume of the
2012 award-winning book, City of Promises: History of Jews in New
York, which describes New York's transformation into a Jewish city.
They will speak together about the book and separately. Annie will
talk about the "Adaptation of Ritual," the complex adjustments
immigrant ancestors made to succeed, and Daniel will talk about
immigrant "landsmanschaften." Zvi Gitelman, Professor of Judaic
Studies at the University of Michigan and author of several important
books on Jewish ethnicity and identity among Eastern European Jews,
will present "Litvak-Galitsianer Wars, Jewish Cultural Geography."

In addition to updates on DNA, Holocaust research, and immigration,
areas of new focus include Sephardic Jews, Jewish cooking and
cookbooks, and a panel on cemetery restoration in both Europe and the
United States.

There also will be many hands-on computer workshops (for both Mac and
PC) and workshops on photo identification and preservation, on document
restoration, and on various languages (German, Russian, Polish and
Hebrew). Continuing the tradition of excellence of previous conferences,
there will be an Exhibitor Hall, a Resource Center, author events, and
book signings throughout the week.

from the first day's SHARE Fair, featuring an expanded number of Special
Interest Groups (SIGs) and Birds of a Feather (BOFs) as well as local
archives and historical societies, to the many programs offered all week
long, attendees will have trouble choosing which to attend >from Sunday
morning to Friday noon.

For more detailed information about the programs and to register, visit
<www.iajgs2013.org>. Early registration discounts end on April 30, so
register today.

Florence Schumacher
Publicity Chair
33rd IAJGS Conference on International Genealogy


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech International Conference on Jewish Genealogy Speakers #austria-czech

Florence Schumacher, Boston 2013 Publicity Chair
 

A rich and varied roster of speakers will be presenting during
the five and a half days of the 33rd IAJGS International
Conference on Jewish Genealogy to be held in Boston beginning
August 4.

Attendees will be able to choose >from 250 programs on seven
different tracks covering a wide range of topics including a
beginner's track on August 4/5, as well as computer tracks and a
film festival. The preliminary program (subject to change) will
be posted on the conference website on Tuesday, April 16th
(http://www.iajgs2013.org/program_schedule.cfm).

Many IAJGS Lifetime Achievement award winners, the luminaries of
Jewish genealogy, will give talks, including Steve Morse, Miriam
Weiner, Peter Lande, Jeff Malka, Hal Bookbinder, Warren Blatt,
Michael Tobias, and Stanley Diamond. Archivists >from Belgium, the
Czech Republic, Hungary, Israel, and Ukraine will be giving the
latest information about doing research in their countries.
Historians and experts >from England, Germany, Ireland, Lithuania,
Poland, Spain, Sweden, and the U.S. will provide the historical
context to our ancestors' lives and the methodologies to find them.

Unique to the Boston location of the conference will be several
talented local experts who have never presented at previous IAJGS
conferences. The keynote speaker will be Aaron Lanksy, the famous
and dynamic founder of the Yiddish Book Center in Amherst, MA.
Ellen Smith, co-author of The Jews of Boston and a well-known
historian, museum curator, and professor at Brandeis University,
will give a talk as well as conduct walking tours of Boston's
Jewish historical sites. Sharon Pucker Rivo, Director of the
National Center for Jewish Film at Brandeis University, will
present "Jews in Focus" about the important Jewish role in film.
Genealogical researchin the New England states will be featured,
including immigration to the Port of Boston.

The annual Lucille Gudis Memorial Lecture, sponsored by the Jewish
Genealogical Society of New York, will feature two noted historians,
Annie Polland, Education Vice President at the Tenement Museum in
New York, and Daniel Soyer, professor at Fordham University. They
are co-authors of Emerging Metropolis -- the second volume of the
2012 award-winning book, City of Promises: History of Jews in New
York, which describes New York's transformation into a Jewish city.
They will speak together about the book and separately. Annie will
talk about the "Adaptation of Ritual," the complex adjustments
immigrant ancestors made to succeed, and Daniel will talk about
immigrant "landsmanschaften." Zvi Gitelman, Professor of Judaic
Studies at the University of Michigan and author of several important
books on Jewish ethnicity and identity among Eastern European Jews,
will present "Litvak-Galitsianer Wars, Jewish Cultural Geography."

In addition to updates on DNA, Holocaust research, and immigration,
areas of new focus include Sephardic Jews, Jewish cooking and
cookbooks, and a panel on cemetery restoration in both Europe and the
United States.

There also will be many hands-on computer workshops (for both Mac and
PC) and workshops on photo identification and preservation, on document
restoration, and on various languages (German, Russian, Polish and
Hebrew). Continuing the tradition of excellence of previous conferences,
there will be an Exhibitor Hall, a Resource Center, author events, and
book signings throughout the week.

from the first day's SHARE Fair, featuring an expanded number of Special
Interest Groups (SIGs) and Birds of a Feather (BOFs) as well as local
archives and historical societies, to the many programs offered all week
long, attendees will have trouble choosing which to attend >from Sunday
morning to Friday noon.

For more detailed information about the programs and to register, visit
<www.iajgs2013.org>. Early registration discounts end on April 30, so
register today.

Florence Schumacher
Publicity Chair
33rd IAJGS Conference on International Genealogy


Accessing German Microfilm records #germany

Suzanne <freethinker65@...>
 

It has come to my attention, that some of GerSIG members are not aware of
microfilm records available >from the Mormon (LDS) Family History Centers
and indexed at the LDS website.

go to: www.familysearch.org

Click on: Family Search Centers at the top for a location near you in
the United States, Europe or country nearest your location.

Create a log in. (There are many records on this site, some of which
are free.) Click on catalog and type in place name to see what they
have available.

The Mormon (LDS) church has filmed these records. You will have a Family
History Center (Mormon genealogy center) in your area to which you will
have the microfilm sent. For the US films cost $8.50 per film to borrow
for 3 months.

The Family History Center will probably have a computer to scan and copy
machine for the records. However, I have found it necessary to take a
digital camera and take a photograph. Good Luck,

Suzanne Donachie, Sacramento, California freethinker65@att.net

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Q. "What is "LDS"? Where is the largest collection of
genealogy records in the world? How can I get help
>from the Mormon Family History Library?

A. http://www.familysearch.org/

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German SIG #Germany Accessing German Microfilm records #germany

Suzanne <freethinker65@...>
 

It has come to my attention, that some of GerSIG members are not aware of
microfilm records available >from the Mormon (LDS) Family History Centers
and indexed at the LDS website.

go to: www.familysearch.org

Click on: Family Search Centers at the top for a location near you in
the United States, Europe or country nearest your location.

Create a log in. (There are many records on this site, some of which
are free.) Click on catalog and type in place name to see what they
have available.

The Mormon (LDS) church has filmed these records. You will have a Family
History Center (Mormon genealogy center) in your area to which you will
have the microfilm sent. For the US films cost $8.50 per film to borrow
for 3 months.

The Family History Center will probably have a computer to scan and copy
machine for the records. However, I have found it necessary to take a
digital camera and take a photograph. Good Luck,

Suzanne Donachie, Sacramento, California freethinker65@att.net

Moderator note: Every new subscriber to the GerSIG Email Discussion
Forum receives our "Welcome" message and user guide.
This long Email message contains many suggestions and Internet links
for German Jewish genealogy research. One of them is:

Q. "What is "LDS"? Where is the largest collection of
genealogy records in the world? How can I get help
>from the Mormon Family History Library?

A. http://www.familysearch.org/

To request another copy of the GerSIG Welcome / User Guide,
send your email request to: gersigmod@gmail.com
Subject: "Send Welcome message in English"
or "Send Welcome auf Deutsch"


Kupel, Ukraine vs. Kopyl, Belarus - two different places: Part 2, a resolution #ukraine

steinsteve@...
 

Fellow researchers,

A little over a week ago, I posted a request on this discussion group
requesting help differentiating between these two places, in a documented
fashion. In particular, the origin of the Kipeler Young Men's Benevolent
Association (KYMBA) was in doubt.

The best suggestion (of many) that I got was to work backwards >from the
burials in the plot of KYMBA, in Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, NY. A few
years back, I photographed and catalogued all the graves there, about 300,
they are posted on JOWBR.

The unfortunate, unintended worst suggestion was to check YIVO. YIVO's
catalog has this folder (in my opinion) mis-catalogued as being >from the
Belarus town. So now, in addition to convincing the person who challenged my
assumption, which I have done, I now have to convince both YIVO and Belarus
SIG to fix their information. Belarus has a page on their site indicating
that this society is >from the Belarus town
(www.jewishgen.org/belarus/kymba.htm). The site has the names of the
individuals derived >from documents found in the YIVO file, many illegible,
as noted on the site.

Others pointed out that a Jew >from Belarus would never corrupt the
pronunciation of Kupel to "Kipel" as clearly has been done by this Society.
That is clearly a Ukrainian regionalism. Think "kugel" vs. "kigel."

The essence of my research, which I will summarize here, surrounds the way
the town was referred to in documents. Since there were two reasonably sized
towns with homophonic names - think Portland, Maine and Portland, Oregon -
some officials at ports of departure, naturalization courts and the like,
must have asked those submitting information to disambiguate the town. For
example, the Britton Road Cemetery in Rochester, NY has a section for people
from the town on Kupel that came to Rochester. The list of burials can be
found at mynygenealogy.com/cem/britton-road-cem-1.htm . The group is listed
there as "Anshe Kipel (Kipel Volin)". This indicates that the Kipel we are
talking about is in Volin (Volhynia Guberniya).

Using this disambiguating technique, I have found 7 individuals so far (I'm
sure there are more) with relatively unique names that can be reliably
traced backward >from the headstone information to another document - either
a ship's manifest, World War I draft registration card, or naturalization
document - that has forms of both words "Kupel" and "Volin" on it. I will
not list those people here, but if anyone is interested, I can supply the
names and the documents privately, they are all on Ancestry.com. I know from
personal experience that the group did not bury individuals who did not have
a direct claim of lineage >from the town.

In addition, the person who originally challenged me with information that
seemed to indicate that her relatives buried in KYMBA were >from Belarus, was
thoroughly convinced otherwise when I found her grandmother's long-sought
manifest, indicating that the person left behind in the "old country"
(Column 12 in the 1920s) was >from Teofipol, not far >from Kupel, Ukraine.

I have not yet gone back to YIVO to look at the KYMBA documents, their hours
are not conducive to my work schedule. I have looked at them in the past and
don't recall any incorporation documents. I have requested those documents
from New York State. But I have notified YIVO that I have documentation that
would indicate that the catalog is incorrect. If anyone happens to be going
to YIVO and is interested in looking up this dossier, it will be
appreciated.

Thank to all for your careful consideration of my dilemma and your helpful
suggestions.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kupel, Ukraine vs. Kopyl, Belarus - two different places: Part 2, a resolution #ukraine

steinsteve@...
 

Fellow researchers,

A little over a week ago, I posted a request on this discussion group
requesting help differentiating between these two places, in a documented
fashion. In particular, the origin of the Kipeler Young Men's Benevolent
Association (KYMBA) was in doubt.

The best suggestion (of many) that I got was to work backwards >from the
burials in the plot of KYMBA, in Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, NY. A few
years back, I photographed and catalogued all the graves there, about 300,
they are posted on JOWBR.

The unfortunate, unintended worst suggestion was to check YIVO. YIVO's
catalog has this folder (in my opinion) mis-catalogued as being >from the
Belarus town. So now, in addition to convincing the person who challenged my
assumption, which I have done, I now have to convince both YIVO and Belarus
SIG to fix their information. Belarus has a page on their site indicating
that this society is >from the Belarus town
(www.jewishgen.org/belarus/kymba.htm). The site has the names of the
individuals derived >from documents found in the YIVO file, many illegible,
as noted on the site.

Others pointed out that a Jew >from Belarus would never corrupt the
pronunciation of Kupel to "Kipel" as clearly has been done by this Society.
That is clearly a Ukrainian regionalism. Think "kugel" vs. "kigel."

The essence of my research, which I will summarize here, surrounds the way
the town was referred to in documents. Since there were two reasonably sized
towns with homophonic names - think Portland, Maine and Portland, Oregon -
some officials at ports of departure, naturalization courts and the like,
must have asked those submitting information to disambiguate the town. For
example, the Britton Road Cemetery in Rochester, NY has a section for people
from the town on Kupel that came to Rochester. The list of burials can be
found at mynygenealogy.com/cem/britton-road-cem-1.htm . The group is listed
there as "Anshe Kipel (Kipel Volin)". This indicates that the Kipel we are
talking about is in Volin (Volhynia Guberniya).

Using this disambiguating technique, I have found 7 individuals so far (I'm
sure there are more) with relatively unique names that can be reliably
traced backward >from the headstone information to another document - either
a ship's manifest, World War I draft registration card, or naturalization
document - that has forms of both words "Kupel" and "Volin" on it. I will
not list those people here, but if anyone is interested, I can supply the
names and the documents privately, they are all on Ancestry.com. I know from
personal experience that the group did not bury individuals who did not have
a direct claim of lineage >from the town.

In addition, the person who originally challenged me with information that
seemed to indicate that her relatives buried in KYMBA were >from Belarus, was
thoroughly convinced otherwise when I found her grandmother's long-sought
manifest, indicating that the person left behind in the "old country"
(Column 12 in the 1920s) was >from Teofipol, not far >from Kupel, Ukraine.

I have not yet gone back to YIVO to look at the KYMBA documents, their hours
are not conducive to my work schedule. I have looked at them in the past and
don't recall any incorporation documents. I have requested those documents
from New York State. But I have notified YIVO that I have documentation that
would indicate that the catalog is incorrect. If anyone happens to be going
to YIVO and is interested in looking up this dossier, it will be
appreciated.

Thank to all for your careful consideration of my dilemma and your helpful
suggestions.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ


Researching WUNDERMAN from Delatyn #galicia

Amit Vrubel <amitvrubel@...>
 

Hello,

I am currently searching for information regarding my grandfather and
his family >from Delatyn. I have contacted the archives in the Ukraine,
but according to their reply they have no vital records of my grandfather
and his parents. (They do however have some material on some of my
grandfather's siblings.)

Does anyone have a good tip where else I can look?

Amit Vrubel
amitvrubel@gmail.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Researching WUNDERMAN from Delatyn #galicia

Amit Vrubel <amitvrubel@...>
 

Hello,

I am currently searching for information regarding my grandfather and
his family >from Delatyn. I have contacted the archives in the Ukraine,
but according to their reply they have no vital records of my grandfather
and his parents. (They do however have some material on some of my
grandfather's siblings.)

Does anyone have a good tip where else I can look?

Amit Vrubel
amitvrubel@gmail.com

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