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Re: searching for name in Ellis Island Website #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

The commentary on this topic is generally true and suggestions are valid,
but the paragraph quoted below contains a significant error. The passenger
lists *were not* created by immigration officials unfamiliar with ethnic
names. They were created by the ships crew, officers who were reasonably
well traveled and in the case of a ship like the Vaterland, people who were
familiar at least with German and perhaps also French. Many of them would
have made numerous Atlantic crossings and become familiar with the common
range of names. So American style language ignorance in writing down the
names would have been less important than implied by Don's comments.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

PZAVON@Rochester.rr.com

"Don Solomon" <dsolomon@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message

The Ellis Island site is notorious for names being misspelled.
Volunteers not familiar with 19th century handwriting and ethnic
names often guessed, and guessed wrong. Even if the volunteers got
it right, immigration officials even less familiar with ethnic names
often mistranscribed the immigrant's vocalization of his name.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: searching for name in Ellis Island Website #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

The commentary on this topic is generally true and suggestions are valid,
but the paragraph quoted below contains a significant error. The passenger
lists *were not* created by immigration officials unfamiliar with ethnic
names. They were created by the ships crew, officers who were reasonably
well traveled and in the case of a ship like the Vaterland, people who were
familiar at least with German and perhaps also French. Many of them would
have made numerous Atlantic crossings and become familiar with the common
range of names. So American style language ignorance in writing down the
names would have been less important than implied by Don's comments.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

PZAVON@Rochester.rr.com

"Don Solomon" <dsolomon@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message

The Ellis Island site is notorious for names being misspelled.
Volunteers not familiar with 19th century handwriting and ethnic
names often guessed, and guessed wrong. Even if the volunteers got
it right, immigration officials even less familiar with ethnic names
often mistranscribed the immigrant's vocalization of his name.


Viewmate Posting - Polish Translation #general

Howard Rosen <HowardsFishing@...>
 

Posted on ViewMate, Nos. VM 21321 through VM 21324, are the Ostrow
Mazowiecka birth records of four ROJZEN children born in the same time frame
and town as my grandfather Nochim Rojzen.

I would appreciate translations including names, relationships, dates,
places, any interesting facts, etc. Your help will be greatly appreciated,
and should expand my family tree!

Thank you,
Howard Rosen
Los Angeles

The direct URLs of the images are
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21321
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21322
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21323
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21324

Please reply privately


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate Posting - Polish Translation #general

Howard Rosen <HowardsFishing@...>
 

Posted on ViewMate, Nos. VM 21321 through VM 21324, are the Ostrow
Mazowiecka birth records of four ROJZEN children born in the same time frame
and town as my grandfather Nochim Rojzen.

I would appreciate translations including names, relationships, dates,
places, any interesting facts, etc. Your help will be greatly appreciated,
and should expand my family tree!

Thank you,
Howard Rosen
Los Angeles

The direct URLs of the images are
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21321
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21322
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21323
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21324

Please reply privately


Death of Meir Yechial WALKENFELD #general

solkeys@thejnet.com
 

Dear Genners,
I would very much appreciate if anybody can get me
the death record or date of death, if possible also
the Jewish date of Meir Yechial WALKENFELD. He lived
in Brooklyn, N.Y.. He passed away in 1n December or
January of 1973 or 1974. I think he was buried Israel.
Sincerely yours,
Solomon Schlussel
solkeys@thejnet.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Death of Meir Yechial WALKENFELD #general

solkeys@thejnet.com
 

Dear Genners,
I would very much appreciate if anybody can get me
the death record or date of death, if possible also
the Jewish date of Meir Yechial WALKENFELD. He lived
in Brooklyn, N.Y.. He passed away in 1n December or
January of 1973 or 1974. I think he was buried Israel.
Sincerely yours,
Solomon Schlussel
solkeys@thejnet.com


FindAGrave.com #general

Martha Forsyth
 

People looking for photos of their ancestors' graves should know about
the site:
www.findagrave.com

You need to register (free and not "obnoxious"), then you look for the
cemetery you're interested in. If your ancestor is not listed there,
you can add the name to the cemetery's list, even if you don't know the
details (plot, etc.) - but list everything you know. And then you can
request a photo there. I can personally testify that it works!

Martha Forsyth
Newton, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FindAGrave.com #general

Martha Forsyth
 

People looking for photos of their ancestors' graves should know about
the site:
www.findagrave.com

You need to register (free and not "obnoxious"), then you look for the
cemetery you're interested in. If your ancestor is not listed there,
you can add the name to the cemetery's list, even if you don't know the
details (plot, etc.) - but list everything you know. And then you can
request a photo there. I can personally testify that it works!

Martha Forsyth
Newton, MA


Visiting Kaunas and Vilnius #general

ralph <Salinger@...>
 

I have written to Howard but I thought that I should mention that you can
research a vast collection of Jewish Lithuanian records, transcribed and
translated in the convenience of your own home.

If you are unaware of the possibilities I suggest a look at
http://www.litvaksig.org/

With best wishes,
Ralph Salinger
Coordinator Kaunas District Research Group

Subject: Visiting Kaunas and Vilnius
From: "Howard Coupland" <how.jacque@ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 00:56:08 -0000
X-Message-Number: 6

I shall be visiting Kaunas and Vilnius in the summer mainly to do family
research...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Visiting Kaunas and Vilnius #general

ralph <Salinger@...>
 

I have written to Howard but I thought that I should mention that you can
research a vast collection of Jewish Lithuanian records, transcribed and
translated in the convenience of your own home.

If you are unaware of the possibilities I suggest a look at
http://www.litvaksig.org/

With best wishes,
Ralph Salinger
Coordinator Kaunas District Research Group

Subject: Visiting Kaunas and Vilnius
From: "Howard Coupland" <how.jacque@ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 00:56:08 -0000
X-Message-Number: 6

I shall be visiting Kaunas and Vilnius in the summer mainly to do family
research...


Salomon Chajak, Hermine Nowak, Jacob Chajak #general

bennettgiorgetti@libero.it <bennettgiorgetti@...>
 

Dear Cousins!
I have two original documents that do not belong to me or my family in any
way. They were inside a book of music that I found at a Flea Market here in
Italy. I would be more then glad to send them to any family members who
recognize these people. The documents are:

The translation of the original Birth certificate, for Jacob Chajak, son of
Salomon Chajak and Hermine Nowak. He was born in "Brunn" on June 10, 1900. The
certificate is in PORTUGUESE and is dated October 15,1946, >from San Paolo
Brazil.

The translation of what I believe is a power of attorney of Jacob Chajak and
his wife Clara Chajak, to Meszaros Dezso, "hungarian, resident of Budapest",
dated Oct. 14, 1946. This too is in Portuguese, and I have no idea how it got
to Italy!

On request I will scan the documents, before sending.

Jean Bennett Giorgetti
San Mauro Pascoli


Re Source number #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

All the fathers that you mention seem to be named Gershon. Are all the
family names the same too?

If the father of each person was Gershon with the same surname, it is possible
that they were all brothers and sisters - assuming that they were mostly born
in different years.

However, it is also possible that all the fathers, Gershon X, were the sons of
differently named men who were the sons (or grandsons) of a previous Gershon X.
I have a case where there were 9 men named the same, all the grandsons of a
previous, illustrious ancestor for whom they were named.

Genealogists do not have an easy time of it. You need to see if there were
earlier records, marriages, whatever records that you can find to figure out
family relationships.

Good luck,

Sally Bruckheimer
Piscataway, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Salomon Chajak, Hermine Nowak, Jacob Chajak #general

bennettgiorgetti@libero.it <bennettgiorgetti@...>
 

Dear Cousins!
I have two original documents that do not belong to me or my family in any
way. They were inside a book of music that I found at a Flea Market here in
Italy. I would be more then glad to send them to any family members who
recognize these people. The documents are:

The translation of the original Birth certificate, for Jacob Chajak, son of
Salomon Chajak and Hermine Nowak. He was born in "Brunn" on June 10, 1900. The
certificate is in PORTUGUESE and is dated October 15,1946, >from San Paolo
Brazil.

The translation of what I believe is a power of attorney of Jacob Chajak and
his wife Clara Chajak, to Meszaros Dezso, "hungarian, resident of Budapest",
dated Oct. 14, 1946. This too is in Portuguese, and I have no idea how it got
to Italy!

On request I will scan the documents, before sending.

Jean Bennett Giorgetti
San Mauro Pascoli


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re Source number #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

All the fathers that you mention seem to be named Gershon. Are all the
family names the same too?

If the father of each person was Gershon with the same surname, it is possible
that they were all brothers and sisters - assuming that they were mostly born
in different years.

However, it is also possible that all the fathers, Gershon X, were the sons of
differently named men who were the sons (or grandsons) of a previous Gershon X.
I have a case where there were 9 men named the same, all the grandsons of a
previous, illustrious ancestor for whom they were named.

Genealogists do not have an easy time of it. You need to see if there were
earlier records, marriages, whatever records that you can find to figure out
family relationships.

Good luck,

Sally Bruckheimer
Piscataway, NJ


Re: searching for name in Ellis Island Website #general

Diane Jacobs
 

If you notice on many of these large passenger ships, the handwriting
Changed every few pages because different ship's crew made up the
Passenger lists based on their familiarity with the travelers from
Different ethnic groups.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: searching for name in Ellis Island Website #general

Diane Jacobs
 

If you notice on many of these large passenger ships, the handwriting
Changed every few pages because different ship's crew made up the
Passenger lists based on their familiarity with the travelers from
Different ethnic groups.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ


New JewishGen Course: Create Family History Pages #unitedkingdom

bounce-2354645-785714@...
 

Do you have a lot of genealogical family material to share and want to
organize it into a set of images, but don't know how? Marlis Humphrey
will explain and demonstrate how to create image rich family history
pages for your family.

Students will learn how to layout, design, and edit a quality family
history page set for two ancestors,that can be broadened at a later
time. You will learn to include documents like census, naturalization
and photographs of your family, heirlooms and memorabilia .

Students will discover sources of digital resources (templates, fonts,
etc.) for formatting, and will walk through a project using Photoshop
Elements 10 for editing; students will learn how to format the pages
for printing using Shutterfly.

Class will feature multimedia including a series of short screencasts
with voice narration, powerpoint instructions and text notes for
reference. We will use the FORUM for questions and answers and we will
encourage students to post their digital pages (.jpg files) for review
and comment.

*Please* read the full course description and the software requirements
at www.jewishgen.org/education; there are no set times for this
course as our students are >from around the world; enroll via our secure
online enrollment system.

Please address all questions to JewishGen-Education@lyris.jewishgen.org

Phyllis Kramer
VP, Education: www.JewishGen.org/education
NYC and Palm Beach Gardens, Fla.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom New JewishGen Course: Create Family History Pages #unitedkingdom

bounce-2354645-785714@...
 

Do you have a lot of genealogical family material to share and want to
organize it into a set of images, but don't know how? Marlis Humphrey
will explain and demonstrate how to create image rich family history
pages for your family.

Students will learn how to layout, design, and edit a quality family
history page set for two ancestors,that can be broadened at a later
time. You will learn to include documents like census, naturalization
and photographs of your family, heirlooms and memorabilia .

Students will discover sources of digital resources (templates, fonts,
etc.) for formatting, and will walk through a project using Photoshop
Elements 10 for editing; students will learn how to format the pages
for printing using Shutterfly.

Class will feature multimedia including a series of short screencasts
with voice narration, powerpoint instructions and text notes for
reference. We will use the FORUM for questions and answers and we will
encourage students to post their digital pages (.jpg files) for review
and comment.

*Please* read the full course description and the software requirements
at www.jewishgen.org/education; there are no set times for this
course as our students are >from around the world; enroll via our secure
online enrollment system.

Please address all questions to JewishGen-Education@lyris.jewishgen.org

Phyllis Kramer
VP, Education: www.JewishGen.org/education
NYC and Palm Beach Gardens, Fla.


JABLONSKY from Nancy, France #general

Janette <janettes@...>
 

This past week I learned the value of asking the same questions over and
over again. For years a relative has been speaking of her mother
writing to a cousin in France after the war. The French cousin was not
known to any relatives I spoke to but they had all heard the story and
all agreed it was a female cousin. The surname was given to me as
Stein, and Pierre Kogan in France very kindly attempted to track this
person down, but in spite of his seeming to come up with the right
person, it was not. The family kept saying that they knew it was the
mother's family and kept speaking of her maiden name, Stein, in
connection with this hunt. However, this week I learned that in fact
although it was the mother's cousin, the surname was JABLONSKY and she
was living in Nancy, France at least after the was. I know that there
was a Maurice Jablonsky who survived a transport, but I don't know if
this is >from the same family, and if it is, where his descendants (if
any) might be.

Does anyone know of a JABLONSKY family in Nancy, France?

Please respond privately unless you have information which might be of
general interest to the group.

Thanks
Janette Silverman
Phoenix, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JABLONSKY from Nancy, France #general

Janette <janettes@...>
 

This past week I learned the value of asking the same questions over and
over again. For years a relative has been speaking of her mother
writing to a cousin in France after the war. The French cousin was not
known to any relatives I spoke to but they had all heard the story and
all agreed it was a female cousin. The surname was given to me as
Stein, and Pierre Kogan in France very kindly attempted to track this
person down, but in spite of his seeming to come up with the right
person, it was not. The family kept saying that they knew it was the
mother's family and kept speaking of her maiden name, Stein, in
connection with this hunt. However, this week I learned that in fact
although it was the mother's cousin, the surname was JABLONSKY and she
was living in Nancy, France at least after the was. I know that there
was a Maurice Jablonsky who survived a transport, but I don't know if
this is >from the same family, and if it is, where his descendants (if
any) might be.

Does anyone know of a JABLONSKY family in Nancy, France?

Please respond privately unless you have information which might be of
general interest to the group.

Thanks
Janette Silverman
Phoenix, AZ

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