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Re: Citizenship in less than 5 years? #general

Stew Driller
 

What arrival date is given on his naturalization papers?

My grandfather immigrated in December 1897 -- I have the manifest. He
was naturalized in July 1901 and the Petition says he arrived on April 1
(interesting choice of dates!) 1895. Not only that, there is no record
that one of his witnesses (my ggrandfather) was a citizen. Apparently
the rules weren't always strictly followed nor was the information verified.

Stew Driller
New York City

Rick Hyman wrote:

I am trying to find a passenger manifest for a likely relative -- Aran
FELDMAN -- who was naturalized October 4, 1886 in the Superior Court of
the City of New York. I found a manifest (ship -- Kaiser) leaving
Hamburg for Liverpool and then the US on December 2, 1881 that Aran
FELDMAN is on. Could this be the same person -- i.e., could Aran have
received his citizenship in a little short of five years? In other words
did the Court check passenger arrival papers back then to determine if
the applicant was being truthful as to how long he'd been in the country
or did they loosely interpret the five years?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Citizenship in less than 5 years? #general

Stew Driller
 

What arrival date is given on his naturalization papers?

My grandfather immigrated in December 1897 -- I have the manifest. He
was naturalized in July 1901 and the Petition says he arrived on April 1
(interesting choice of dates!) 1895. Not only that, there is no record
that one of his witnesses (my ggrandfather) was a citizen. Apparently
the rules weren't always strictly followed nor was the information verified.

Stew Driller
New York City

Rick Hyman wrote:

I am trying to find a passenger manifest for a likely relative -- Aran
FELDMAN -- who was naturalized October 4, 1886 in the Superior Court of
the City of New York. I found a manifest (ship -- Kaiser) leaving
Hamburg for Liverpool and then the US on December 2, 1881 that Aran
FELDMAN is on. Could this be the same person -- i.e., could Aran have
received his citizenship in a little short of five years? In other words
did the Court check passenger arrival papers back then to determine if
the applicant was being truthful as to how long he'd been in the country
or did they loosely interpret the five years?


ViewMate translation request--Russian #lithuania

Amy Fellner <amyf1010@...>
 

Hello, I've posted three vital records written in Russian on ViewMate and
would really appreciate translation assistance. The records can be found
on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21380
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21379
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21381

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Many, many thanks for your help!
Amy Fellner
Gilbert, AZ


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania ViewMate translation request--Russian #lithuania

Amy Fellner <amyf1010@...>
 

Hello, I've posted three vital records written in Russian on ViewMate and
would really appreciate translation assistance. The records can be found
on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21380
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21379
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=21381

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Many, many thanks for your help!
Amy Fellner
Gilbert, AZ


Re: Brick wall-NY Marriage Certificate #general

joyweave
 

Marie,

New York City did not mandate the filing of marriage licenses until
Jan. 1, 1908, in spite of the New York State law which went into effect
in, I think 1890. Many clergy and civil officiants did file licenses
anyway, but many didn't until they were forced to.

I learned this >from an online article in the Brooklyn Eagle when I was
trying to find my grandparents' marriage which took place, ironically, on
Dec. 28, 1907.

Joy Weaver
Islip, NY USA

From: "Marie Lubman"<Mjn519@aol.com>

I am looking for the marriage certificate for Isaac (Ike) ABRAHAMS and
Mary FISCHER. The date was Dec 28, 1890.... The location was at Everett
Hall on 31 4th St, NY.
Could it be that in the excitement of their marriage and it being right
before New Year's Eve, they forgot or never reported it? Would they have to
had request for a marriage license before getting the certificate (or is
this something they didn't do in the early days?)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Brick wall-NY Marriage Certificate #general

joyweave
 

Marie,

New York City did not mandate the filing of marriage licenses until
Jan. 1, 1908, in spite of the New York State law which went into effect
in, I think 1890. Many clergy and civil officiants did file licenses
anyway, but many didn't until they were forced to.

I learned this >from an online article in the Brooklyn Eagle when I was
trying to find my grandparents' marriage which took place, ironically, on
Dec. 28, 1907.

Joy Weaver
Islip, NY USA

From: "Marie Lubman"<Mjn519@aol.com>

I am looking for the marriage certificate for Isaac (Ike) ABRAHAMS and
Mary FISCHER. The date was Dec 28, 1890.... The location was at Everett
Hall on 31 4th St, NY.
Could it be that in the excitement of their marriage and it being right
before New Year's Eve, they forgot or never reported it? Would they have to
had request for a marriage license before getting the certificate (or is
this something they didn't do in the early days?)


1845 Polangen Military List #lithuania

Joyaa Antares
 

Dear Fellow SIG-members,

I have obtained Scans of each page of the 1845 List of all Jewish males in
Polangen (Palanga) who were eligible for Conscription.

There are about 70 pages in all: two pages for each family. In general, 3
generations per family are covered. Full names and years of birth are given.

This is one of a number of Lists - no-one knows exactly how many - archived
in the Latvian State Archives that do *not* appear on the index of archives
stored at the Raduraksti - http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en.html

The List is mainly pages of names and dates - with various additional
comments about some family members written in the German of that era.
I am asking here for help in getting these pages translated and
transcribed. It's not a difficult job for those with the right skills.

The translated list will first be made available to members of Telsiai DRG
(District Research Group) for 18 months before appearing on the All
Lithuania Database where it will be freely available to all.

If Polangen is an area of interest to you and you are not able to volunteer
to help translate these documents, please make a donation at
www.litvaksig.org/contribute select the District Research Group "Telsiai"
from the drop-down list, and in the Shtetl/Notes box type "Polangen". Your
contributions will help us to acquire more of these lists for translation.

Thank you very much for any help you can give. For further information
please contact me.

Joyaa Antares
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
___________________________
Researching ZAUSMER, ZOUSMER, ZESMER, CHOUSMER, CHAUSMER, TSOUZMER etc,
MARCUS, DAVIDOFF in Polangen, Kretinga, Darbenai, Libau, Riga, Memel
SCHORR, SCHERZER, JURIS and DAWID in Buckaczowce, Ottynia, Nadworna, and
Kolomyya
ZUNDER in Buckaczowce and Ivano-Frankivsk
KEMPNER in Berlin, Lodz, Warszawa and London
and GERSON, SIDERSKY in Gumbinnen, Koenigsberg, Danzig, Berlin and South
Africa


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania 1845 Polangen Military List #lithuania

Joyaa Antares
 

Dear Fellow SIG-members,

I have obtained Scans of each page of the 1845 List of all Jewish males in
Polangen (Palanga) who were eligible for Conscription.

There are about 70 pages in all: two pages for each family. In general, 3
generations per family are covered. Full names and years of birth are given.

This is one of a number of Lists - no-one knows exactly how many - archived
in the Latvian State Archives that do *not* appear on the index of archives
stored at the Raduraksti - http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en.html

The List is mainly pages of names and dates - with various additional
comments about some family members written in the German of that era.
I am asking here for help in getting these pages translated and
transcribed. It's not a difficult job for those with the right skills.

The translated list will first be made available to members of Telsiai DRG
(District Research Group) for 18 months before appearing on the All
Lithuania Database where it will be freely available to all.

If Polangen is an area of interest to you and you are not able to volunteer
to help translate these documents, please make a donation at
www.litvaksig.org/contribute select the District Research Group "Telsiai"
from the drop-down list, and in the Shtetl/Notes box type "Polangen". Your
contributions will help us to acquire more of these lists for translation.

Thank you very much for any help you can give. For further information
please contact me.

Joyaa Antares
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
___________________________
Researching ZAUSMER, ZOUSMER, ZESMER, CHOUSMER, CHAUSMER, TSOUZMER etc,
MARCUS, DAVIDOFF in Polangen, Kretinga, Darbenai, Libau, Riga, Memel
SCHORR, SCHERZER, JURIS and DAWID in Buckaczowce, Ottynia, Nadworna, and
Kolomyya
ZUNDER in Buckaczowce and Ivano-Frankivsk
KEMPNER in Berlin, Lodz, Warszawa and London
and GERSON, SIDERSKY in Gumbinnen, Koenigsberg, Danzig, Berlin and South
Africa


RUFEISEN Family Relatives from Germany #general

Joyce Eastman
 

I have posted this information with the German SIG, but also wanted to post
it here so that I may reach more people who might have some information to
share;

I am seeking information regarding the family of Ernest Rudolf Hans RUFEISEN
from Hamburg, Germany, whose family originated >from a small town in Germany
near the Czech border. I am getting this information secondhand, so I do
not have the name of this small town. However, I believe that there is a
good possibility that they are related to my RUFEISEN ancestors who
originally came >from Poland. It appears that the family of Ernest Rudolf
Hans RUFEISEN emigrated to Brazil >from Hamburg around the time of WWII, and
a branch of this family is still living there. I have living RUFEISEN
relatives in Israel, who are also seeking to find a connection with this
German branch of our family.

Any information you can provide to assist me with my research would be most
appreciated.

Joyce Eastman
Orange City, FL USA

RESEARCHING: WILDER, HELFER: Brody, Poland/Ukraine and Vienna, Austria;
RUFEISEN: Biala/Sucha/Zywiec/Szare, Poland; SCHEIER: Biala, Poland and
Stanislawow, Poland/Ukraine (Ivano-Frankvisk);
FRANKL/FODOR/PORGES/GROSSMANN/KOHN/WEISZ: Vaj Ujhely, Hungary/Trencin,
Slovakia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RUFEISEN Family Relatives from Germany #general

Joyce Eastman
 

I have posted this information with the German SIG, but also wanted to post
it here so that I may reach more people who might have some information to
share;

I am seeking information regarding the family of Ernest Rudolf Hans RUFEISEN
from Hamburg, Germany, whose family originated >from a small town in Germany
near the Czech border. I am getting this information secondhand, so I do
not have the name of this small town. However, I believe that there is a
good possibility that they are related to my RUFEISEN ancestors who
originally came >from Poland. It appears that the family of Ernest Rudolf
Hans RUFEISEN emigrated to Brazil >from Hamburg around the time of WWII, and
a branch of this family is still living there. I have living RUFEISEN
relatives in Israel, who are also seeking to find a connection with this
German branch of our family.

Any information you can provide to assist me with my research would be most
appreciated.

Joyce Eastman
Orange City, FL USA

RESEARCHING: WILDER, HELFER: Brody, Poland/Ukraine and Vienna, Austria;
RUFEISEN: Biala/Sucha/Zywiec/Szare, Poland; SCHEIER: Biala, Poland and
Stanislawow, Poland/Ukraine (Ivano-Frankvisk);
FRANKL/FODOR/PORGES/GROSSMANN/KOHN/WEISZ: Vaj Ujhely, Hungary/Trencin,
Slovakia


Re: Finding address in the census? #general

Meron Lavie
 

I find the one-step tool uniformly accurate but also uniformly tricky. Aside
from the obvious (street name changes and numbering changes), GoogleMaps
only provides an approximation of street number location (which I discovered
only the hard way), so if you used Google maps - you may not actually know
the correct corner. Also, I believe I found instances in which a
census-taker skipped an address. Another source of confusion is when the
street for which you're searching is itself on the border between 2 ED's.

Lavie Meron

Allan Jordan [mailto:Aejordan@aol.com] wrote:
I am stuck trying to do in effect a reverse search trying to see who lives
at specific addresses in the US Federal Census. I tried the One Step tool
and it gets me in the neighborhood but not in the right blocks...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Finding address in the census? #general

Meron Lavie
 

I find the one-step tool uniformly accurate but also uniformly tricky. Aside
from the obvious (street name changes and numbering changes), GoogleMaps
only provides an approximation of street number location (which I discovered
only the hard way), so if you used Google maps - you may not actually know
the correct corner. Also, I believe I found instances in which a
census-taker skipped an address. Another source of confusion is when the
street for which you're searching is itself on the border between 2 ED's.

Lavie Meron

Allan Jordan [mailto:Aejordan@aol.com] wrote:
I am stuck trying to do in effect a reverse search trying to see who lives
at specific addresses in the US Federal Census. I tried the One Step tool
and it gets me in the neighborhood but not in the right blocks...


Re: Citizenship in less than 5 years? #general

Meron Lavie
 

After researching my family, it has become clear that quite a few of them
were lying about immigration year (to appear as if they had arrived
earlier). In addition, I noticed that quite a few male relatives were lying
about their age. What I noticed was that the immigration year/age skew
usually (misleadingly) placed them at about age 14 upon their arrival. I
read somewhere that in the early 20th century, getting citizenship was much
easier if you had arrived before about age 15, which would seem to explain
this phenomenon.

Lavie Meron

Rick Hyman [mailto:bikerick@att.net] wrote:
I am trying to find a passenger manifest for a likely relative -- Aran
FELDMAN -- who was naturalized October 4, 1886 in the Superior Court of the
City of New York. I found a manifest (ship -- Kaiser) leaving Hamburg for
Liverpool and then the US on December 2, 1881 that Aran FELDMAN is on. Could
this be the same person -- i.e., could Aran have received his citizenship in
a little short of five years? In other words did the Court check passenger
arrival papers back then to determine if the applicant was being truthful as
to how long he'd been in the country or did they loosely interpret the five
years?
MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign one's full name to all messages. Thank you.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Citizenship in less than 5 years? #general

Meron Lavie
 

After researching my family, it has become clear that quite a few of them
were lying about immigration year (to appear as if they had arrived
earlier). In addition, I noticed that quite a few male relatives were lying
about their age. What I noticed was that the immigration year/age skew
usually (misleadingly) placed them at about age 14 upon their arrival. I
read somewhere that in the early 20th century, getting citizenship was much
easier if you had arrived before about age 15, which would seem to explain
this phenomenon.

Lavie Meron

Rick Hyman [mailto:bikerick@att.net] wrote:
I am trying to find a passenger manifest for a likely relative -- Aran
FELDMAN -- who was naturalized October 4, 1886 in the Superior Court of the
City of New York. I found a manifest (ship -- Kaiser) leaving Hamburg for
Liverpool and then the US on December 2, 1881 that Aran FELDMAN is on. Could
this be the same person -- i.e., could Aran have received his citizenship in
a little short of five years? In other words did the Court check passenger
arrival papers back then to determine if the applicant was being truthful as
to how long he'd been in the country or did they loosely interpret the five
years?
MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign one's full name to all messages. Thank you.


Re: namesake on passenger list #germany

Eva Lawrence
 

I certainly considered Sally Bruckheimer's idea that my mother had briefly
accompanied my grandmother, which was why I consulted my sister. We were
both of secondary school age, so unlikely to forget her absence completely.
If her name had appeared on the Findmypast list, I'd still have thought
this possible, but it didn't, though my grandmother's did. This was my
mother's married name, so no related namesake is very likely.
I did think she might have thought of making the journey and then changed
her mind. The passenger list was for a journey >from Havre via Southampton
and COBH (in Ireland, I'm told) to New York, so presumably printed ahead
of reaching Southampton. But the inclusion also of my cousin, aged 18,
who, like Guenther had, in his case some time previously, travelled to join
his parents in USA was what first struck me. This cousin had travelled in
1944, confirmed again by my sister and a dated photograph. He, too, is
not recordedd for this occasion on Findmypast, though I found the original
1944 journey to New York there.
The thought has just struck me that these people may have landed in Ireland!
Did Guenther's non-journey go through Ireland as well? [MODERATOR NOTE:
Please ask personal questions off list via private email.]

Eva Lawrence, St Albans UK eva.lawrence@idnet.com


German SIG #Germany RE: namesake on passenger list #germany

Eva Lawrence
 

I certainly considered Sally Bruckheimer's idea that my mother had briefly
accompanied my grandmother, which was why I consulted my sister. We were
both of secondary school age, so unlikely to forget her absence completely.
If her name had appeared on the Findmypast list, I'd still have thought
this possible, but it didn't, though my grandmother's did. This was my
mother's married name, so no related namesake is very likely.
I did think she might have thought of making the journey and then changed
her mind. The passenger list was for a journey >from Havre via Southampton
and COBH (in Ireland, I'm told) to New York, so presumably printed ahead
of reaching Southampton. But the inclusion also of my cousin, aged 18,
who, like Guenther had, in his case some time previously, travelled to join
his parents in USA was what first struck me. This cousin had travelled in
1944, confirmed again by my sister and a dated photograph. He, too, is
not recordedd for this occasion on Findmypast, though I found the original
1944 journey to New York there.
The thought has just struck me that these people may have landed in Ireland!
Did Guenther's non-journey go through Ireland as well? [MODERATOR NOTE:
Please ask personal questions off list via private email.]

Eva Lawrence, St Albans UK eva.lawrence@idnet.com


RUFEISEN relatives from Hamburg, Germany #germany

Joyce Eastman
 

I am seeking information regarding the family of Ernest Rudolf Hans RUFEISEN
from Hamburg, Germany, whose family I believe originated >from a small town
in Germany near the Czech border. I am getting this information secondhand,
so I do not have the name of this small town. However, I believe that there
is a good possibility that they are related to my RUFEISEN ancestors who
originally came >from Poland. It appears that the family of Ernest Rudolf
Hans RUFEISEN emigrated to Brazil >from Hamburg around the time of WWII, and
a branch of this family is still living there. I have living RUFEISEN
relatives in Israel, who are also seeking to find a connection with this
German branch of our family.

Any information you can provide to assist me with my research would be most
appreciated.

Joyce Eastman, Orange City, Florida, USA wildwoman@cfl.rr.com

RESEARCHING: WILDER, HELFER: Brody, Poland/Ukraine and Vienna, Austria;
RUFEISEN: Biala/Sucha/Zywiec/Szare, Poland; SCHEIER: Biala, Poland and
Stanislawow, Poland/Ukraine (Ivano-Frankvisk);
FRANKL/FODOR/PORGES/GROSSMANN/KOHN/WEISZ: Vaj Ujhely, Hungary/Trencin, Slovakia


German SIG #Germany RUFEISEN relatives from Hamburg, Germany #germany

Joyce Eastman
 

I am seeking information regarding the family of Ernest Rudolf Hans RUFEISEN
from Hamburg, Germany, whose family I believe originated >from a small town
in Germany near the Czech border. I am getting this information secondhand,
so I do not have the name of this small town. However, I believe that there
is a good possibility that they are related to my RUFEISEN ancestors who
originally came >from Poland. It appears that the family of Ernest Rudolf
Hans RUFEISEN emigrated to Brazil >from Hamburg around the time of WWII, and
a branch of this family is still living there. I have living RUFEISEN
relatives in Israel, who are also seeking to find a connection with this
German branch of our family.

Any information you can provide to assist me with my research would be most
appreciated.

Joyce Eastman, Orange City, Florida, USA wildwoman@cfl.rr.com

RESEARCHING: WILDER, HELFER: Brody, Poland/Ukraine and Vienna, Austria;
RUFEISEN: Biala/Sucha/Zywiec/Szare, Poland; SCHEIER: Biala, Poland and
Stanislawow, Poland/Ukraine (Ivano-Frankvisk);
FRANKL/FODOR/PORGES/GROSSMANN/KOHN/WEISZ: Vaj Ujhely, Hungary/Trencin, Slovakia


More VM Yiddish translation requests regarding The Yiddish Artists Union #poland #warsaw

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear All,
I have posted two more VM pages that are related to my Aunt Luba FISHER
and the Jewish Artists Union in Warsaw. I believe some of the pages are in
her own handwriting. I would be so appreciative and grateful to have
translations of these items.

The direct links can be found at :

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/submissionsedit.asp?ID=21352

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/submissionsedit.asp?ID=21353



Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
California, USA
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER,
KOKOTEK, HERSZLIKOWICZ, HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN
(Obertyn, Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN
(Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln), FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany,
Pittsburgh, PA), NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany,
Baltimore, MD), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH,
ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS, RABINOWITZ


Jews from Warsaw #poland #warsaw

rosette rozenberg
 

Dear Genners,

I wanted to let you know that I have created a new Facebook group
called "Jews >from Warsaw" for all who have family originating >from
Warsaw.

With best wishes for a happy and healthy new year,

Rosette Rozenberg


Szpigiel, Berman, Sztejnwasser, Swiatlo >from Warsaw, Suchodolski >from
Warsaw and Siedlce.

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