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Re: New format of website - is this a problem or just something I don't know??

Martha Forsyth
 

Thanks, Deborah, and others who have replied.  Between your messages and my own trials, I had actually figured this out shortly after I sent it! but didn't know how to stop it.

Martha Forsyth
Newton, MA

On Jan 19, 2020 10:00 AM, Deborah Blankenberg <dtblankenberg@...> wrote:
Hi, Martha. I'm looking at this on an Android smartphone, so it might appear slightly differently on your device or computer, but when i touched the Reply link under your original message, a form opened for me to type my reply. Underneath, there are three buttons: Reply to Group & Sender, Discard, and Private. That third option should send your reply to the original poster only. 
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Deborah Blankenberg (JewishGen ID #613395)
Lodi, CA
dtblankenberg@... 
Researching BLOCH/BLOCK (Germany to New York, Colombia and Missouri), BLINDER (Kishinev to New York via Poland? and Paris), KUSHER/KUSZER (Lodz vicinity to New York via Paris), GOLDSCHMIDT (Germany)


False papers for Russian Army deserters

Evelyn Fabrikant
 

My father and his brother escaped from a labor train leaving the Sarny - now Ukraine- killing field in 1942
they hoped to find the Polish underground but the Russian army found them and they were in scripted
they deserted sometime in early 1945 and found forgers in Sosnovitz Poland - but never actually received the false documents
My father met my mother who was altering clothing for the forgers and working in their apartment- he convinced her to leave with him - along with her sister and the one son she saved - and they fled without legal documents from sosnovitz across Europe and the Alps to Italy
i learned that he bought “quota” to secure visas to US
i am curious to know if anyone has more information about this
evelyn Fabrikant- Medwed Weisbrot Goldman Lichstein 
 


Re: Pale of Settlement

jbonline1111@...
 

One of my grandfathers listed his origin as Poland though he came from this area.  Later, he called it Russia on his naturalization papers.  
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Re: Auto-signing messages

jbonline1111@...
 

thanks to both of you.  Solved my problem with forgetting to sign my messages.
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Re: Reply to Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

assaf.patir@...
 

I recommend Yohanan Petrovsky-Shtern's excellent article about the subject at YIVO:

https://yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Military_Service_in_Russia


Re: Tracking a passenger across the Atlantic through England

Roberta Sheps
 

Another port on the east coast was Grimsby.

Roberta Sheps
Colchester, UK


MAZURENKO/MOSER/MAYER/MAZOUR

Felissa Lashley
 

My great great grandfather was known as Avrum MAYER in the Ukraine.
His son apparently had two names: Herschel MAYER and Grigorii
MAZURENKO. Would anyone know why this ancestor would use both a
Russian name and their original name? Was that common? A vague family story said he was a horticulturist and may have managed a cherry orchard for the czar near Gorodische or Valyava, both in the Cherkassy section of the Ukraine. Hershel's son
was known as Anatole MAZOUR (deceased) who came to the U.S. as Abraham
Moser and became a well known Russian scholar. Anatole had a brother
Mikhail MAZURENKO and a sister whose name is unknown. This sister apparently went with her husband who was banished to siberia but who was back in the Ukraine in the late 1970s  I am trying to
find information about these siblings as well if anyone has any ideas.
I appreciate any help. This group has been wonderful in providing
information and I am very grateful.

Thank you.

Felissa Lashley
Austin, Texas


KATZ, COHEN, BALABAN - Family name change to avoid the Czar's draft

cohen.izzy@...
 

There was a period of time when first-born sons were exempt from Russian army service. Families past child-bearing age who had no sons would officially claim a Jewish neighbor's draftable son as their own first-born. 

As a result, all Russian empire records for such "adopted" sons had the family name of the adopting family. I understand that this is how Shia Balaban z"l from Odessa, Ukraine acquired his family name. He was the brother of the aunt by marriage of my aunt by marriage. He died in BeerSheva during the 2nd week of the Yom Kippur War while I was at Etzion airbase (Bikat haYarai'akh) in Sinai. His widow Klara Balaban died several years later. They had no living children. 


Re: Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group.....

Avraham Groll
 

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Re: Pale of Settlement

assaf.patir@...
 

The Yiddish term would be: דער תחום המושב, pronounced: Der t'hum ha-moy-shəv (from Hebrew תחום המושב)


Re: New format of website - is this a problem or just something I don't know??

Deborah Blinder
 

Hi, Martha. I'm looking at this on an Android smartphone, so it might appear slightly differently on your device or computer, but when i touched the Reply link under your original message, a form opened for me to type my reply. Underneath, there are three buttons: Reply to Group & Sender, Discard, and Private. That third option should send your reply to the original poster only. 
--
Deborah Blankenberg (JewishGen ID #613395)
Lodi, CA
dtblankenberg@... 
Researching BLOCH/BLOCK (Germany to New York, Colombia and Missouri), BLINDER (Kishinev to New York via Poland? and Paris), KUSHER/KUSZER (Lodz vicinity to New York via Paris), GOLDSCHMIDT (Germany)


Finding researchers

Bob Silverstein
 

How can I find researcher for whom I have a name and researcher code?


Re: Reply to Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

boris
 

Sorry, Fred, but your post is inaccurate. 25 years was the length of service only until 1834. It was 6 years in the late 1800's and 3 years in the early 1900's. Jews tried to avoid the service because the army was one of the most anti-Semitic institutions in Russia. (Come to think of it: what was the least anti-Semitic institution in Russia?.)


Re: Please put surnames in the subject line

boris
 

Thank you, Sharon and Peter,

Yes, please list your full name and location but also a contact info in the body of the message. If there is a need to write a direct message, a responder should not waste his time figuring out how to do it. There is no benefit in hiding.


Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

Art Hoffman
 

Family folklore is that my Uncle Morris (Goichmann) Hoffman was drafted into the Czar's army in 1905 and was on a train to the far east when the Russo-Japan war ended.  He returned to his family in Golovanevsk and was discharged.  My Grandfather Aron then obtained an exit passport for the family (6 children), a copy of which I still have. The entire family emigrated to America in 1906.  I suppose timing is everything, then and now.  Maiming wasn't necessary for Uncle Morris.

Arthur Hoffman
Boynton Beach, FL USA

Researching HOFFMAN, GOICHMANN, GOYKHMANN, WHITE, Golovanevsk, Annopol  


Need a researcher to find the Birth Record in Chortkiv

Stephen Denker
 

I want to hire a researcher to find the Birth Record for my grandfather Asriel Billman (or Denker) who was born September 13, 1870 in Chortkiv. His father was Shraga Feivel. His mother was Chane Sluwe Geller.

Stephen Denker

Brookline, MA


Re: Tracking a passenger across the Atlantic through England

Jill Whitehead
 

The most common way for immigrants to reach the USA in the 1860's to 1880's was for them to arrive in Hull on the North Sea Coast and travel overland by train to Liverpool to go onwards to the USA. There is a memorial at Hull Railway station to this movement of people and it is much documented by historians, especially at the University of Hull which has a specialist maritime history dept, as does Liverpool University.   In 2008, my genetic cousin Howard Wolinsky of Chicago made a TV programme for the BBC in the Coast series, which showed how his ancestor made the same journey from Libau in Latvia, to a German port, thence to Hull and Liverpool.  In his case, his ancestor travelled in the early 1890's, and made the very last journey for some months, as his German port was closed due to a Cholera outbreak. My ancestors also made this journey in part, likely from Konigsberg in the 1860's and 1870's, as they came from Suwalki Lomza on the borders with Konigsberg (East Prussia). My Guttenberg family from Raigrod made this journey in c1865 on a  sailing ship to Hull,  and they remained in Hull, although the family story is that they were due to go onto USA but were too sea sick to go on, although others found their tickets would not take them any further or they were robbed on arrival in Hull. Sailing ships were then replaced by steam ships, and faster steam ships, when the new deep water port was opened at nearby Grimsby (my Guttenberg Hull family moved to Grimsby and then Sheffield) . My great grandmother's much younger sister followed her to Hull 20 years after she had arrived, but tragedy awaited. Her teenage son Jacob used to get tips at Hull Docks  from newly arrived immigrants for showing them where they should go to get the train or find accommodation. Alas on one day he had an accident, and fell into the deep sea harbour at Hull and drowned. But check out Hull and Liverpool Universities for their info on Jewish immigration by sea, both cross Baltic and cross Atlantic. Note there is very little in the way of passenger documentation from the Baltic to Hull - but Hull Uni has info on the boats and ship lines that plied this trade, and the ports they used - the majority of ships manifests are cross Atlantic.


Buying false papers

YaleZuss@...
 

While doing a serious study of the "no involuntary name-changes on immigration" meme, I reviewed the Congressional debate leading up to the passage of the Naturalization Act of 1906 (HR 15442).  One of the reasons for this act was the perception that there was an organized business selling "copies" of documents necessary to immigrate to the United States that involved at least some Immigration personnel. Documents sold included those establishing that a person, who might never have been to America, was a citizen, and thus eligible to return regardless of whether he met entrance requirements established beginning with the Immigration Act of 1882.  People who bought these documents obviously had to pose as the person in whose name they initially had been issued; whether they subsequently used that name, after getting into America, is a key issue in the "no involuntary name-changes on immigration" meme.

In passing, let me mention that none of the claims made against the involuntary name-changes narratives stands up to scrutiny and that I have identified a mechanism that would lead immigrants to believe their name(s) had been changed involuntarily by the immigration process.  Needless-to-say, this conclusion has been met with stiff resistance from the genealogical establishment.


Re: Please put surnames in the subject line

Dahn Cukier
 

If you are looking only for specific surnames, there is a site on
the Jewishgen website for this.

Anyway, I disagree with your suggestion. I do not care who
is being searched, all overheard conversations can be
helpful.

Dani

When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas


On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 12:32:13 AM GMT+2, sharon yampell <genealogicalgenie@...> wrote:


The problem with your post is you didn’t sign it or add your location!

 

Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, NJ USA

 

From: jbonline1111@...
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 11:15 AM
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Please put surnames in the subject line

 

I've noticed that since this new format has become available, that the majority of posts do not list surnames in the subject line and sometimes not even in the body of posts.  When fellow contributors see surnames right away, they can quickly determine whether they can be helpful to you.  Further, many will take the time to research for you if they have the names. 

Use tags such as #Belarus as supplements.  For example, today I looked at a post with that tag because my family came from that area. However, if the surnames had been posted, I would have known that I was unable to help.   

Thanks to all who work to make this discussion group helpful to everyone.

 


Re: Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group.....

Dahn Cukier
 

Sir,

I have been on the mailing list for a number of years - I do not recall
how many, but over 5, most likely longer.

I have never found the family names in the signature to be helpful
or meaningful. I do have over 150k "relatives" on the
Ancestry DNA matches, I do find that somewhat helpful, but only
the first 300-400 matches.

With more and more awareness of data mining, I still see no reason to provide
more information via e-mails than necessary.

Dani
CUKIER, BRIF, LISABETZKI, SKLAVIR and their various spellings and abbreviated
forms. There are at least 4, 2, 5(and various shortenings), 3 of each of these that
I actually know of.


When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas


On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 10:49:54 PM GMT+2, Wayne S Marcus <wsmarcus@...> wrote:


JewishGen got to be a important genealogy site by having a limited but strongly encouraged set of rules for the discussion group. Rule such as surname capitalization and informative titles, certainly aided readership growth and retention. These rules certainly are as significant to group success as the 8 noted in this thread. Without group success there will be nothing to moderate.
--
Wayne Marcus SDJGS
Irvine, CA

Researching:MARCUS, ZELICOVICI, BUNIN, WALDMAN, WISHNEFSKY, ABRAMSON, CIURARU

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