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Har Nebo Cemetary, Phila

Carole Brewster
 

I’m looking for someone who could find the gravesite of Joseph ha Kohen Theil 1827-june 8, 1898 and send a picture to me. His wife was Rose buried in the same place. They are my second great grandparents.
Carole Hoffman Brewster
Delray Beach FL


Re: Heves Madja

sylvia vanderhoeft <sylvia.vanderhoeft@...>
 

Hi Karol,

As I have been researching my husband’s ancestors  in  Hungary for some time now, I might be able to shed some light on your question.

Heves is a county( and also a town)  in Hungary, the “madja”  refers either to the “megye “ which means county, or the Hungarian language which is “ Magyar” and pronounced “ madjar”

Hope this helps.

Regards

Sylvia Vanderhoeft

 

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Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

Avi Lichtenstein
 

I don’t know what the cause was, but my great-great grandfather was missing a part of his forefinger.  It is visible in pictures and is noted in his WWI draft card.  His brother-in-law was also missing several fingers on his right hand (noted to n his draft card as “lost fingers”).


Re: Sare Czarne Margulies

Simon Srebrny
 

How amazing that somebody else -- hello Beulah Gross! -- has been looking into this person at the same time as me! I think Sare Czarne Margulies is in fact not a Margulies but a Goldreich. Here is why...

The 1828 Lublin death record of Judka Goldreich, my 1C 5R, says that among his nine surviving children is a daughter named Sura Czarne living in Lwow.
There are very few records for any Sura Czarne at the Gesher Galicia database. Those there are indicate there was one Sura Czarne married to Herz Gross.
Most of the birth records of the children of that couple do not give the mother's maiden name. Then there is that one dismaying 1836 Lwow birth record that calls her Margulies. Back to that in a moment.

The 1853 Ozarow record of the marriage of my Sura Czarne Goldreich, daughter of Judka and Ruchla Goldreich, to Szol Dawid Cukier says she was divorced from a Mr Gross! His first name is not mentioned.

So my Sura Czarna had been living in Lwow and had been married to a Mr Gross. There is no proof that the wife of Herz Gross is my Sura Czarna. But if she is not, then my Sura Czarna and her Mr Gross have made no appearance at all in the Lwow records so far extracted and online for us to enjoy and they remain entirely bathed in darkness. A bit odd but possible.

So what of the Margulies mention? Two things come to mind. 1. The clerk simply had a brain fart. 2. Sura Czarna had had yet another husband, a first one named Margulies, before she hitched up with Herz Gross. Mr Margulies then died or they divorced. As she was born around 1794 (according to her tombstone inscription in Warsaw), she would have had time for a previous husband. 
During the registration of the birth of Josef Salomon Gross, the story got a bit blurry and the clerk noted down the former married name of the mother as the maiden name. I have been hunting for a Goldreich-Margulies marriage record but not found one yet.

 

So what is the truth? Your thoughts? Is there anybody out there who can solve the mystery?

The 1828 Lublin death record is here:
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/35/1753/0/1.3/23/str/1/2/100/ANQXUmEZGJCXR1MQRqGd5w/#tabSkany

The 1853 Ozarow marriage record is here:
http://metryki.genbaza.com/genbaza,detail,104515,38

The 1836 Lwow birth record is here:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9T-T99G-C?i=690&cat=1343978

I am s
orry this post is so long.


Publication of the Memorial Book of Kobylnik (Narach, Belarus) #belarus

Joel Alpert
 

The Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project is pleased to announce its 86th
title: Memorial Book of Kobylnik (Narach, Belarus) , Translation of
Sefer Kobylnik

Original Yizkor Book Edited by Yitzhak Siegelman
Published in Haifa, 1967 in Hebrew and Yiddish
By Committee of Former Residents of Kobylnik in Israel

Hard Cover, 394 pages with all original illustrations and
photographs.
The Memorial Book of Kobylnik was written by former residents of
Kobylnik Belarus. Some who left the town before the war wrote articles
and essays about the rich Jewish life in town: the people, the
dreamers, the doers, the ultra-religious, the secular, the Zionists,
the socialists The various institutions in town, the charities and
the help societies for the needy.

For all our publications see: https://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/ybip.html

For ordering information see:
https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/ybip/YBIP_narach.html
Discounts available for orders of 4 or more books: email to ybip@jewishGen.org

List price: $53.95 Available on Amazon for around $40 may have lower
prices elsewhere

Order for a surprise Purim gift for a special relative!!

Located at 54 deg 56 =E2=80=98 North Latitude and 26 deg 41 East Longitude 80
miles NNW of Minsk
Alternate names: Narach [Belarussian, since 1964], Kobylnik [Russian,
Polish, until 1964], Kobilnik [Yiddish], Kabylnik [Belarussian, until
1964], Kobilniki, Naracz [Polish, since 1964], Naroch' [Russian, since
1964], Narac [Belarussian], Narocius [Lithuanian], Narutch

Nearby Jewish communities:

Myadzyel 11 miles ESE

Svir 13 miles WSW

Pastavy 14 miles NNE

Adutiskis, Lithuania 15 miles NNW

Lyntupy 17 miles WNW

Stajetiske, Lithuania 18 miles NNW

Mikhalishki 22 miles WSW

Dunilavicy 24 miles ENE

Mielagenai, Lithuania 24 miles NNW

Svencionys, Lithuania 25 miles NW


Joel Alpert


Attention Nezvishers! #belarus

Steve Gore <stvn.gore@...>
 

The central Jewish Cemetery in Nesvizh is a lovely city park, and
totally unmarked as a cemetery. I am working with the Belarus
Holocaust Memorial Project to install a small monument to memorialize
the 700 year history of Jewish Nesvizh. If you would like more
information, or would like to help, please contact me directly at
stvn.gore@gmail.com. A sheynem Dank!

Steve Gore


JewishGen Education offers new class February 2 - February 23 #belarus

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, "Brick Wall or Dead End",
starting February 2 - February 23

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing
a Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major
block you can't break through?

Take a class. Work with an expert to review and analyze your data.
Our classes are open 24/7 and taught in a private forum.

The Tuition is $150. Registration is open. Enrollment is limited.

For more information
https://www.jewishgen.org/education/description.asp?course=40201

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached
a point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

If you have questions, you may send the instructor an introduction to
your brick wall (names, dates and places) and pinpoint your road block
or dead end to see if this is the class for you.

Send questions
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

To Register: https://www.jewishgen.org/education/edu-courses.asp

Nancy Holden
Director of Education
www.JewishGen.org/education


Re: Buying false papers

Helen Krag
 

Grandmother with 2 fake birth certificates

My grandmother Elke, no surname given – she had 6 of them – had two fake
birth certificates. She didn't buy them though. She first needed one
when she had fled to Vienna in 1914 and wanted to marry. Her mother in
Tarnopol, Austrian Galicia, went to Russia to get one from her niece,
who was appr. of the same age. As Elke said: In Russia one didn't need
papers. The second birth certificate was also fake, some rabbi in Poland
wrote one in 1938 so my grandmother could make it into exile in Great
Britain. This one had the correct date and name but wrong place of birth.

Sincerely,

Helen Krag, Copenhagen

researching: SOBEL, WOLFZAHN, ROSENSTRAUCH, SZWICER, TROMPETER,
KÖNIGSBERG, all in Galicia and Vienna


Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

s.mema2amp@...
 

My paternal GF was from Austria (he always said Vienna). My father always said that his father was deaf in one ear because he punctured his ear drum to avoid being drafted into the Russian army.


Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

Joseph Laden
 

Yes, my great grandfather injured one of his eyes to avoid the Russian Army draft during the Russo-Japanese War which started in 1905. He eventually emigrated to the USA in 1925.
Joseph Laden
Ladyzhinski from Geisin




Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

kar444@...
 

My husband's family has written stories about people cutting off a finger.   I think is was the pointer finger, not the thumb.   There was also a story of them making themselves weak and sick by drinking something bad.  


Re: Tracking a passenger across the Atlantic through England

N. Summers
 


In response to your question about tracking a relative’s journey from Hull to the US, i’d like to share a few resources that I found for a similar search. 

In addition, I found the following pages mentioning the ship Flamingo: 

(it looks like the Flamingo was  named the Reiher when it was built in 1909 and was renamed in 1938. In 1939 it was requisitioned by the German Navy. It was sunk in 1945. )

Other resources:

The British Board of Trade outbound passenger lists

Transmigration via England



Germans to America/using Hamburg passenger lists:
(Also on ancestry.com)

The only mention I could find of the passenger ship Flamingo was on this page discussing ships traveling from Britain to South Africa :

Hope some of this helps in your search. 

Nancy S
Maryland USA

FINKELSTEIN, LUSMAN (Radzivilov, Ukraine); BOOKSTEIN/BUCHSTEIN (Ostrog, Poland); LEAF/LIFSHITZ (Rechitsa); ALPER/LISS ( )


Re: #chicago #illinois #Belarus #belarus

Pat Westfall
 

Dear Linda, does it look to you as if these heads are out of proportion
to the bodies?  That was my first thought.
Could someone have glued on photos of someone else?
Pondering,
Pat Westfall


Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

sharon yampell
 

My grandfather’s step-grandfather actually DID cut off one of his fingers and when he was buried in the US, the finger was buried with him…

 

 

Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, NJ USA/ suburb of Philadelphia PA

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Harry Auerbach
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 4:10 PM
To: main@...; sarahlmeyer@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

 

Similarly, in my maternal line, the story is one of the sons changed his surname from Markell to Marget to avoid the draft. I am descended from Marget.

 

Harry Auerbach

Searching Marget (Vilna)

Rice/Grynfeld/Lewkowicz (Poland)

Korobov/Nahinsky (Ukraine, Belarus)

Auerbach/Mirsky(Brest-Litovsk)

 


Buying false papers

JoAnne Goldberg
 

I'm interested in Sarah's story about buying false papers, as my family has a similar origin story vis a vis our Goldberg surname, and I've never been clear about how it worked.  Whose papers were sold, and what happened to those people -- without their own papers? Did they have to buy papers from another person, or could most people get by day-to-day without papers? What were papers used for anyway? My understanding was that you did not need papers to immigrate to the United States in the 1800s.

Seems like these questions should have obvious answers but it's all kind of murky.

JoAnne Goldberg
Menlo Park, California USA


Re: Tracking a passenger across the Atlantic through England

David Ellis
 

I don't know about Hull.  My g-gf Abram IOELS also is documented in the Hamburg departure lists, but I don't see him in the manifests from England or New York.  His naturalization record shows an arrival date in New York as 10 April 1888.  Eight ships arrived in New York that day, and manifests are extant for only four of them.  As one researcher put it, I lost the coin toss.  Go for Jacob's naturalization record; maybe you'll have better luck than I did.


JewishGen Education offers new class February 2 - February 23

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, "Brick Wall or Dead End",
starting February 2 - February 23

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing
a Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major
block you can't break through?

Take a class. Work with an expert to review and analyze your data.
Our classes are open 24/7 and taught in a private forum.

The Tuition is $150. Registration is open. Enrollment is limited.

For more information
https://www.jewishgen.org/education/description.asp?course=40201

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached
a point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

If you have questions, you may send the instructor an introduction to
your brick wall (names, dates and places) and pinpoint your road block
or dead end to see if this is the class for you.

Send questions
JewishGen-Education@...

To Register: https://www.jewishgen.org/education/edu-courses.asp

Nancy Holden
Director of Education
www.JewishGen.org/education


Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

Harry Auerbach
 

Similarly, in my maternal line, the story is one of the sons changed his surname from Markell to Marget to avoid the draft. I am descended from Marget.

Harry Auerbach
Searching Marget (Vilna)
Rice/Grynfeld/Lewkowicz (Poland)
Korobov/Nahinsky (Ukraine, Belarus)
Auerbach/Mirsky(Brest-Litovsk)


Re: Heves Madja

Beth Long
 

Heves megye is Heves county, Hungary. Though it's hard to see where that would connect to the two places you mentioned. Movement was generally from Galicia to Hungary, not the other way around.


Re: The Zamosc Memorial Book is now On Line

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Whatever are you referring to? Such a cryptic reply is of no use.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Jan 17, 2020, at 11:27 AM, Jack Berger <Jsberger@...> wrote:

From Detroit, I presume?

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